Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Damn, I was hoping that Axl would start playing KOHD like he used to, back in 87-93.  The newer version is too slow, mellow, and boring.  The older one was much more vibrant and energetic!  The guitar solos were longer and more melodic.  Also the way Axl sang it was better.  This was a song that you could really feel, back in the old days, but now its just a yawner.  Just listen to the great version off Live Era and compare it to the new one, which isn't half as good as the old.

I think the 2002 version kicks ass while the rest of the versions they have and is doing are boring. That's just me. Even I liked Knockin' when they did it in 02

Well, the 2001-2006 KOHD sounds the same to me, mellow and boring.  Axl should play it like he used to, it was more energetic and GNR'ish back then.

You people have to stop comparing stuff to the older material! This is a new band with a whole new sound. Be thankful what we once had, and be thankful of the new stuff that we have to jam to.

The new version of KOHD is great should be trimmed down just a little but I am glad he has got the crowd back into it. How about the new version of LALD AMAZING!

Check your ears.

Never liked the old version done by the old band.

Boring.

KOHD from leeds 02 has to be the best version of the song for me.when i first heard it live at the show i couldnt wait to get the bootleg just to hear that version.

I prefer the new version...  :love:

I like both a lot, but the newer one has won me over for the same reasons you dont like it.

But, after nearly 20 years of being played live, its getting tired.

Both have their strong points. I like either.  : ok:

I think KOHD the way its played now is just suited better for Axl at age 44.

While I don't mind the mellower new version, I actually like the bombast and grandiosity of the UYI II version of KOHD - It's still way off the mark as far as covers go, but I liked what GNR did with it.

I agree. The old style was alot more powerful compared to the new mellow version, I doubt he'll go back to doing it that way, but I'd like it if he did.

Since this is a new band, with a "new sound", they also should play more new songs and leave out the songs of Appetite For Destruction... It's a 1987 album, you know...

Concerning KOHD, I prefer when Slash plays it.

Leave out the stuff the general public comes to see. Good one.  : ok:

I thought Axl wanted to evolve and experiment new things...

I also thought that Axl didn't care much about what fans want...

You don't know too much do you?

Actually, my favorite version of KOHD is the one the band played at RIR 3.

Guitar solo, the way Axl was singing it ... Best version ever for me.

That version, for me, was way better than anything during 2002, or 87-93.

Less than you, certainly.
The knowledge of an old fan like you is quite impressive. :)

I don't like this song anyway, so who cares ::)

Rio 3 was the best, but I love the way these guys do it. I don't want to here them do it the way the old line up did it. This is the kind of song you need to make your own.
amy

Er ? maybe the people who like the song?

I also think the new version is a bit too mellow, but I haven't heard it live yet. Glad they don't burst into some reggae, though  :hihi:

BULLSHIT : ok:

I would much prefer the faster version, but at least Axl is having the crowd sing along at the end again.  That is old school!!!!!

Hmmm.....I guess I'm torn about this topic.  To me, this '06 version is a split between the '02 and the UYI version.  Not as slow, not as fast. 

Personally, I think I liked the '02 version the best.  Since it's not one of my favorite songs, I liked how it was mellow, not too long, and didn't do the crowd sing along part. (which I never liked and dragged it out longer).

The old version is an insult to the original, the new version pays a fine tribute  : ok:

The dylan version blows. GnR made that song great. Gotta say I loved the 87-90 version the best. Hated the stupid Give it some reggae shit they did durning the illsiouns tour. This version is a tad bit too mellow but I still think it one of the better songs this new band does live.

I MUCH prefer the newer version -- I really liked the one at RIR recently.  The bad mix via aol made the keyboards sound great.

I'm gonna have to throw the bullshit card on this one.? I like the new version.? Not only does it give the new band its own version, which I think is cool, they also brought in some cool backround sounds on the new one.? Its sounds like there are a few more strings in the new one.? I also like the reggae sound of it in the beginning.

The Dylan version is just diff.  Still very good.  Very good.

The Ritz performance to me is the benchmark of a KOHD.  I also want to add that I hated the "Give me some reggae" from the early 90's versions.

I like them all, but I am really digging the newer one. It was a great groove at Hammerstein.

Whether or not you like Bob Dylan, don't call it the 'Dylan version.'
It's HIS song; GnR and others are doing their versions.

His is THE SONG, not a version of it.

This song should be dropped from the Setlist... its old and tired and boring.. the sing alongs and solos and the way it just drones on and on and on...

i think the new version i really good! Love the way they are going from the original Bob Dylan, to the old GNR sound at the end  : ok:

06 version. for the same reason to JDA.


Shush, the originals are supposed to be the best in any case and to think otherwize is blasphmay for some.  :P

"a great song can be found anywhere. Do yourself a favor and go find the originals"

I agree. Buckethead had a GREAT little minor solo in it that I really miss

very true my apologies . Dylan singing HIS song sucks. he was always a better songwritter then singer IMHO

the Gimme some reggae version? you gotta be kidding!!! :nervous:

the 2002 version is actually my favorite.

If he did the 2002 version with the sing along at the end it would be perfect.


the version at Rio wasnt my favorite as it was kinda boring in my opinion.

No, not the reggae version.  I'm talking about the Live Era style.  Anyone who thinks the new version is better than how its played on Live Era, should really get their ears checked.  Its a no brainer. 

Wow, I might be the only one out there who liked the "Gimme some reggae!" part - I thought it was fun times.  : ok:

The gimme some reggae was the only part I liked in the live version.....

I personally have been raving about the latest version of kohd.....can't wait to have that in my car.....I like the song all over again, it's great having the new version.......love his voice and the organ or whatever the sound is in the background....slowing it down is amazing........

 :beer:

I like the 2002 version the best. I really don't like how he brought back the I sing one you sing one bit.

I wish they'd drop that cover already, more new music already, live and let die kohd :no:

... are you with me on this one people...?  :hihi:

NO!  You're WRONG!  The version Axl Rose plays now, is based on an old version... the Bob Dylan original is closer to this one now.

So stop talking shit.  Axl's gone to OLDER style!  It's fucking boring.  And you know it!

Funny how you present yourself as the king of facts...

It's a matter of taste!!!!

the O6 version sucks.

Boring,lifeless just blahhhhhhhhhh

I wish they'd drop that and LALD like Mike said.

I hated KOHD then...hate KOHD now.

This 02 version was awesome.  It was so chill and made me feel all relaxed and warm inside.   Good stuff, I like em all though. 

The new version is better IMO.I liked the old version as well but i always kinda prefered Dylan's original.This sounds a lot closer to Dylan's which is why i prefer it.

To each their own.     

The only version from the old band I like of this song would be on UYI2. I hated the live version of it in the 90's.

Yeah, it sucks now. The live version of the UYII classic was sublime. Like when they played it at the Freddie Mercury Tribute. Chills.

Cool it makes other people feel the exact same way...the new synth they added to it is so soothing. I feel high just listening to the 02 and 0 versions hehe. That and Madagascar were the two songs Id listen to first whenever I found a new 02 shot to dl'd. I love the way he improvs the end of KOHD different every time.

Or to clear up the confusion.....Gimmie Some Regae was also awesome.  ;)

Gimme some reggae version was the worst.  KOHD is my first choice for a song to drop from their set list permanently.  Not even in the top eight best songs on UYI 2.... Newer version isn't quite as obnoxious though.

axl sings it better than ever. 8)

Is that ron playing that slash like middle solo now ?

The cover KOHD, done like the 'old' days, made the song moire popular than the original one. If you here the song, most people think the of the GN'r song, not the Bob Dylan's song.

So, GN'R's cover of that song is part of GN'R identity. If you like it or not, that's a fact.

Anyhow, I liked it very much the way Guns did it back in the '90s (one of my favorite songs live).
The way they perform the song now is a 'good' cover, but it is just a cover song. For me not as good as the original GN'R song, because that version kicked major ass. It is not a real GN'R style for me. I'm a huge GN'R fan, and I support their new sound for NEW songs.
I think they should keep the sound of the older songs!!!! Imagine they suddenly begin to sing PC or SCOM in a different way...how much GN'R fan do you feel then??

In fact I wonder why Axl do not want to sing it back like he used to do? And and excuse of his age is bullshit! He's a fucking rockstar: act like one! Look at others like Lemmy, Ozzy, James,..etc are they getting melow in their songs? i don't thinks so.

So please Axl, bring back to old style of KOHD!  : ok:  :peace:  :peace:

I really liked the old UUI tour version but after hearing that version so many times once i heard the RIO 3 version which was alot mellower and sounded so different and fresh i really loved the new version but the version they play now is a mix of the 2 if u ask me..The slower start and the louder crowd finish.. I still like it.. :peace:

I think '93-version is the best ::)

Was that sarcasm or not it's hard to tell on here?

But imo the '93 was crap, it was boring done all acoustically.

The strongest version of the song was the '92 version, stretching it out to 10-15 minutes with solos and so on was great. (Only down sside was the "Give me some Reggae  :no: :hihi:)

Actually it's not sarcasm, but IMO '92-version sucks big time ;D It's hard to tell what is the best version 'cause these are just opinions :beer:

i like the new version most. dizzy`s piano is great and the crowd singing part is back. and i like the reggea sound. : ok:

except for the `93 version, i like them all.....

the new version is the best so far.

my fave is the budapest one for the moment, amazing.

the newest version is very good. really smoothly played by robin and the singalong part ends with a fenomal vocal effort by axl. he screams so loud, i love it!
but i must admit, after that part the song takes too long.
also after the first or second chorus, i like the way axl raises his voice from low to high.

I've always like the Dylan version, so I like the new guns version since it is closer to the original.

i really liked the 2002 version of the song. i don't really like the 2006 version. the solo has no melody, it gets boring, and from what i've heard it's not even that well rehearsed ( the solo) and song just drags for so long it feels like torture. and it brings way to many ska/reggae sounds in the song that i don't like.

the buckethead era version of the song was the best IMO. this one needs a lot of work, specially from ron's part. and he could also take the time to perfect his guitar tone, it sounds very weak, it doesn't have presence, bucket's tone was perfect. even finck's new tone is way better than ROn. i don't get why he'd tour with a vetta amp. that just doesn't sound right for guns n roses. it's all digital.

Yeah have to agree that new KOHD is not as good as the old version but we must remember that Axl is much older now and his vocals  wont be as good either plus time on the road in front of the audience is so so important to any band......by the end of this run of concerts they will have seen crowd reaction to the old and new material and will change to accomodate this........ :peace: :smoking:

Dude it's better than the way it was in the 90's. I fucking hate that version.

I think half the people here just say the "current" version (which ever is current at the time) is the best.

I agree with MeanBone - the 2002 version was the best.  Mellower, and didn't drag out so long.  I hate, hate, hate the singalong part.  When they first started doing it back in the late 80's/early 90's it was a novelty and different.  Now, it just gets boring at the end. 

Somehow it really pisses me off that a lot of people dig the new version. For me it's not GN'R style.

If you like or do not like the older version, fuck it, it is the GN'R version which is part of GN'R identity around the globe! One of the most popular songs they made and I feel like they should stick to that version even how good they play the mellow version.
The old (original) version is for most people even more known than the one from Dylan!

And stop saying that it suits axl better with his age, that's bullshit. I repaet what I already posted: look at lemmy, Leftfield, Osbourne, etc.. they don't get mellow at all, so why should Axl fo that?

What if they would start playing all their songs different?? That's not GN'R at all!! So keep playing the songs the GN'R way!!!

I'm gonna have to throw the bullshit card on this one. ?I love the ?new version.

Yeah, agreed. I really hate the singalong part, it gets too longer...

LOL, what's GN'R style? Estranged or November Rain wasn't GN'R in AFD era...

Stupid fuck: GN'R style is the way they play their own songs!! nothing related to an era when they play it! Do you hear other bands playing their songs differently? Ok, maybe for one time, on special occasions...

Image they would bring Welcome To The Jungle in a Frank Sinatra way.... LOL, no no no if your a fan, you know what GN'R style is all about!!  :P  8)  ;)

is it really that difficult to type out Knockin On Heaven's Door, instead of KOHD? ?anyway, back on topic...

i dont think they should play ANY covers at their concerts anymore, at least not after chinese democracy drops...

Ok, first, read the rules dude.

Second, the way they played KOHD on the album didn't have any reggae. But they can change whatever they want, because they aren't narrow minded like some fans... Also, it's not the same band, so they obviously wanted to do a cover with their own flavor. Nothing wrong with that.

Third, don't tell me I'm not a fan. I'm probabily a fan for as long as you, if not more. So, please, STFU.

it must be a joke.

Axl sing so much better than in the 90s.

Stupid fuck: GN'R style is the way they play their own songs!! nothing related to an era when they play it! Do you hear other bands playing their songs differently? Ok, maybe for one time, on special occasions...

Image they would bring Welcome To The Jungle in a Frank Sinatra way.... LOL, no no no if your a fan, you know what GN'R style is all about!!? :P? 8)? ;)

Please - the 2002 version was mellower, and WASN'T the original version.  It was played that way consistently on that tour, so therefore warrants an opinion.  And Gn'R's "style" to me is that they can play their songs however they want!  For example, I don't like the electrical version of Used to Love Her that they played in the 90's, but that doesn't mean I'm right or wrong.  It's all a matter of taste.

I just wanted to say that they should play the song like GN'R style. The 'I want some reggae' part is not the song itself, its something (jamming part) they did IN the song during the live concerts (for fun) before returning to the song again, which they played like on the album.
If you say the 'new band' wants to play the songs like they feel like they should play the songs, then the band should not call them GN'R!! The way the songs were recorded and played made us GN'R fans in the first place.
This is not narrow minded, this is the heart of a fan speaking! I'm totally not narrow minded, as I support this band with new sound, new style ?;D ...BUT for new songs! Respect the past, and improve the future! ?;)

i like the song a lot and really like all the versions of the song. i loved the 2002 version the most though. i thought bucket was amazing on it. the 2006 version is good, but when it comes time for the solo in the middle im left feeling like im missing something. im not a big fan of the sing along at the end but ive seen a lot of people at the nyc concerts really enjoy it.

I like the 2006 version, but my favorite is the 2002 version. Im not a big fan of what was on UYI 2. I like the song though, so whatever version they play its fine.

 :o You gotta be kidding me! The version I heard at Hammerstein on May 17 blew away any previous concerts I have been to and the UYI version. I usually go for the heavier songs but this is just a better version of this song.

Best version

hammersmith london.

sorry guys, couldnt resist.

I like the new version better.  But KOHD is a song they could do without live.  They should heavily consider doing away with it on the setlist and replacing it with Don't Cry

I think the 2006 version is a combination of the old and 2002 versions...when illusions came out, i went back and found the dylan version (i was 10 at the time) and thought it sucked...now i love the dylan version and the 2006 gn'r version...the UYI2 version sounds goofy to me now.

Personally I like the older version better.? But not all the way into the UYI era.? Someone already said it but the Ritz performance in 88 was the absolute fucking best imo.? Great sound (maybe not technichally, but the rawness), energy, it just blew me away when I seen it aired on MTV.? The thing is with that version, GNR made that song into their own so it never seemed like a cover song, even though everyone knew it was.? They took that song and turned it inside out and put their stamp all over it.? The newer versions 2002 and on seems like a cover because it's more in line with the style that it was originally played, as far as tempo and even sound.

Oh yeah and the "give me some reggae" was cool once!? After that the shit was boring and quite stupid to me!

I think they should keep playing it. The crowd likes the sing along and Axl's voice is absolutely amazing during that part.

What I loved about the 2002 version was Bucket's solo. That's probably my second favorite of the ones he did with the band.

The Buckethead solo was the best part of the 2002 version.  Axl sounds great singing the song but it's just one of those songs I could do without live.  But any of the Buckethead haters who say he's merely a shredder who doesn't play with bluesy "emotion" should listen to his solo on the 2002 KOHD

i think his 2002 kohd solo was very boring..... his solo at HOB was awesome though : ok:

can someone upload the best 2002 version?? thnx very much :-*

btw, who is the one that does backing vocals in 2002 in the chorus? and why don't they have backing vocals like that now?

also I remember they had some cool backing vocals at the end of Madagascar an now they are gone..

Im almost positive Tommy & Robin lead backing vocals to the 2002 version, but then again I really wouldn't be surprised if the whole band helped out with backup singing, minus Buckethead and Brain

As for Madagascar, those would be Robin's, and as far as I know, strictly Robin's backup vocals.

I didn't really notice if Robin still sings during this song or not when I saw them, but If Axl can nail the last few versions of the song like he did in Budapest...backup vocals really wont be needed.. ;D

Must admit I haven't heard much of the new version, but KOHD is one of my favourite old songs, and I don't know if new versions could top the old ones  :drool:

the UYI/live era style was perhaps the worst cover ever, and (bar the cake jumper in the november rain video) the most embarrassing thing about being a gnr fan.

these days, its stripped back (and as mentioned, resembles dylans original) form works an absolute treat.

myself i am fuckin' sick to death of that song.

I like to play it though... :peace:

I agree, it's been in their setlist since they were touring for AFD :hihi:

Maybe they should substitute it with something the new band wrote ;D

None of the Gnr versions are nearly as good as Dylan's original or most of Dylan's live versions (Live 1975 or Before the Flood). So, to answer the question-sort of, the new versions aren't as good as the old. ;D I also think they should just stop playing it-although Tommy is a big Dylan fan. Just drop all covers in my opinion.

i am one of the few who like the 93 accoustic version
i play guitar myself (and im an accoustic fan :) ) and it is amazing how slash and the rest do it
couldn't have done it better

I liked both versions, although my favourite is the one in the Ritz 88 show cos it rocked and they didn't drag it out and use all that reggae mumbo jumbo.  I think the Illusion Era version was more boring than the new one if anything.