Here Today... Gone To Hell!

remember when axl said slash was all over the place n' trying to take over during the recording of illusion, well maybe thats why he wont play more illusion songs cus his ass knows those songs were 50% slash's, hence why live n let die, knocking on.. , and YCBM are the only illusion songs played...

Don't Cry wasn't Slash's.

Nov Rain

Don't Cry was the firt song wrote by GNR ?AXL & IZZY song.

Maybe he dont like to sing the other ones ... :confused:

Maybe you should include Axl's actual quote from the Eddie Trunk interview where he said there was 2 albums of material, one from Izzy and one from Slash, with Axl inserting his own songs into both.

Axl said during a 2002 concert that "Don't Cry" wouldn't be played that night because it was an "Izzy song".

But he's on better terms with Izzy now, so hopefully the "Don't Cry" solo turns into a full-out performance eventually.

Was this quote ever confirmed?  It doesn't make any sense, they played Brownstone and Think About You which were both songs written only by Izzy.  Don't Cry was written by Axl and Izzy so I don't think that's the reason

Just look at the song writing credits for the UYI songs....




/jarmo

prob. legal reasons, like ol' mate said above, songwrittin' credits!! ??? ??? ???

Err... wasn't it already mentioned back in 2001-02 that "the new guys" got to decide which old tracks they wanted to play? Hence the inclusion of e.g. Think About You that wasn't played in the Illusion era gigs. And it's no wonder they didn't pick Illusion songs as AFD is the defining album of the band especially for people in the industry. I mean AFD had much bigger impact on people than Illusions, thus the songs non-fans pick as their favorites are from AFD. Except for some longer/epic tracks that aren't exactly perfect live material or ones that Axl otherwise vetoed...  :D

I think Axl mentioned a couple of years ago that he heard "a dying band" when he listened to the UYI songs. In other words he remembers a band falling apart during the 1990-1992 period especially at the time when Izzy left. "Don't Cry", "November Rain" and "You Could Be Mine" are originally much older songs than a lot of the UYI material and "Live And Let Die" + "Knockin' On Heavens Door" are covers as you know. Guess that?s why he still uses them. However it' s sad that he doesn' t play at least a few more. "Civil War", "Coma" and "Pretty Tied Up" are classics IMO.? : ok:

I didnt know he said that, but I assumed he didnt play them for that exact reason.

Sad how Axl cant seem to come to terms with that period of his life  :no:

precisely.  its 75% Rose and Stradlin easily.

I figure the band doesn't play more Illusions songs because they have enough material on their plate right now between the current setlist (most of AFD and more), and all the new stuff, which is supposed to be like 30 some songs.  You can only fit so much material into a setlist.

nah......he only plays the "sHITS"...  :P

So? Axl has a lot of writing credits there, why don't they play 'his' songs? Like Estranged, Yesterdays, Dead Horse, (Shotgun Blues), Breakdown, Back Off Bitch (Paul Huge/Tobias played in the band for some shows...)

I don't know why, I'm just saying I don't think it's like the orignal poster thinks.




/jarmo

don't cry was written in ~84 / 85 and was played before the AFD tour

You beat me to the punch.

ALL AFD's credits are "Guns n Roses", right?

But the UYI albums credit specific members, right?

There's your answer, I think.

He is playing UYI songs, obviously not the ones you want mate! ?I don?t care which ones he plays (i like them all), as long as the sound is good that?s enough for me. Take that one to heart! :hihi:

I've wondering about those "obviously Axl" songs myself. I sincerely hope he and the band dust some of them off sooner then later. I would much rather hear You Could Be Mine, Think About You or almost any song switched out for something like Breakdown every so often.

I see it as Axl wants to recognise the past while moving to the future.

AFD is there history and legacy. You mention Guns N' Roses and AFD come to mind. I think he plays the majority of tracks off this album to recognise the past and then plays The Blues, Maddy, CD, Better etc. as if to say this is what we were, and this is what we are about now.

i'm thrilled that they now play don't cry! ;D

Well, they don't exactly play Don't Cry. So far it's just been Bumblefoot playing it in his solo and the crowd sining w/o the rest of the band joining in. I don't think it'll be long though until they all join in at one of these shows and we get out first Don't Cry performance since what? 1993?

Yeah, I think they're building toward that, too.

I agree!

I am sure he plays what he enjoys singing and what the band plays best. I would hope as the tour get's longer they will add some more UYI stuff and in between the European and US tours rehearse some of the UYI stuff.

"theory on why axl wont play more illusion songs"


Maybe because the set is already 2 hours long?

maybe he doesnt play them coz he doesnt want to

Now there's a revolutionary thought!

Isnt it blatantly obvious why.

This tour before the release of CD is mostly AFD and after the album is released when they tour again to promote it they'll play more stuff from UYI.

I mean they only have like 3 records to play from.

I bet the Don't cry thing was just a tease hatched up by Axl although, Ron only extended it after fan requests so you never know.

Its funny one of the biggest band of all time only has 3 albums to play material from their 20 year history.

They dont play anything from Lies except "patience"

I would love it if they would add:

Yesterday
Estranged (the song that got me into GNR)
Civil War
Don't Cry

I would prefer they drop:

you could be mine
live and let die
Out to get me
Its so easy

i would like so much to hear Guns N Roses play COMA!!  : ok:  :yes:

For Chrissakes, there's no need for conspiracy theories. Just go and read Axl's press release from just before the 2002 tour. The reasons for the setlist being as it is at these pre-album-release shows are the same now as they were then:

1. To get the new band to feel at home playing the core Old Guns songs i.e. Appetite and the better known Lies/Illusion tracks.
2. To try and get Old Guns fans and sceptics to warm to the new band.

It makes perfect sense for fuck's sake. With 5 or 6 new songs in the set already since 2001, there is no point having even more 'downtime' in the shows and alienating a lot of casual fans by playing 'Locomotive', 'Breakdown' etc etc

They are still in warm-up mode. This tour is serving pretty much the same purpose the original Euro tour did in 2002. The band has played fuck all shows as this band compared to other bands who play to 250,000 people. They are still finding their feet, they still make mistakes on the set songs they are doing. What the fuck would be the point in doing a set aimed at us hardcore fans.

Sure, I'd LOVE it if they spent 3 weeks rehearsing for an intimate club show with a setlist full of rare gems like Coma and Locomotive and then put the soundboard out on the net for us.

But this tour is not about doing what's best for us in the short term, it's about building the fucking band back up. So stop worrying about song-writing credtis and Axl not playing Slash or Izzy songs. Rocket Queen is a fucking Izzy song, Slash wrote the riff for Sweet Child, Ron Thal copies Slash's solo exactly at the end of November Rain. It's not about anything like that.

There would be no sense or logic in introducing more Illusion material at this point. It will be a fucking treat to hear those songs introduced over the next year(s) but right now they're having enough trouble playing their own fucking new songs live, let alone trying to get to grips with bloody Coma. Man.

I never got to read any press release from the 2002 tour and I didn't know they had one that said anything like that. Do you happen to have a link to that?

Here's the press release
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=82

You might wanna flick through the articles section for the last half decade cause you may have missed some good stuff. This press release doesn't have the specific bits I was thinking off with Axl commenting on the sets. I have a feeling that might be from one of the US radio interviews in '02.

here's another thought along the same lines: what if part of the original rift between axl and izzy was over the lyrics to don't cry? i always thought it was odd that 2 versions of the song were included on UYI and from axl's comments on trunk, i could possibly see the quibble over the two sets of lyrics being a point of contention between the former best friends. maybe refraining from playing it (at least with singing) is an attempt by axl to mend fences with izzy?

WOW you're not kidding. You're right, the exact stuff you referenced wasn't in there but it sure was a very good read. I completely missed that thing through the years. Thanks for the link!

No problem. It's a shame there isn't a 100% comprehensive archive of New GnR info. Jarmo's got all the main stuff and a lot of other things too but there are a lot more things like interviews with Tommy from his solo tours, of which there are absolutely loads on radio and in print with little GnR details peppered throughout. Plus there have been god knows how many bits of info from various people affiliated with the project plus people like Dizzy's aunt and wife, emails from the band to fans and other random things.

Keep in mind, not all of the old stuff fit this new variation of GNR.

Songs like 'Move To The City', great song, loved it during the UYI tour, but I don't think that particular song fits the current band. Neither does more rawer & acoustic-based songs like 'Used To Love Her' & 'You're Crazy' from LIES. I thought it was shocking they did an impromtu acoustic set at The Plumm, 'cause I just don't see this current band was a acoustic 'old skool' rock band. They right now are trying to be more current.

Issues over 'Don't Cry', are understandable, but I heard Axl wouldn't ever sing that one again out of respect for Shannon Hoon's memory. It may be the Izzy strife, who knows. Songs like 'Right Next Door To Hell', 'Dust N' Bones', 'Perfect Crime', 'Back Off Bitch' (only played once or twice anyways), 'Bad Apples', 'Coma' (only played a few times), '14 Years', 'Shotgun Blues' (only played once or twice anyways), 'Breakdown', and 'Locomotive' were rarities even back in the UYI days, that primarily only showed up during the '91 leg. 'The Garden', 'Garden of Eden', 'Don't Damn Me', & 'Dead Horse' didn't show up until '93, and still they were rare. 'So Fine' isn't played because that was primarily a 'Duff-heavy' song.

But other songs like, 'Double Talkin Jive', 'Civil War', 'Yesterdays', 'Pretty Tied Up', and 'Estranged', there's no reason to not see those songs. I wish Axl would drop at least 3 from AFD, and add 3 from UYI.

they should really play civil war, but if they start playing more illusion stuff, then the arguement would start saying why are they just playing more old stuff instead of new songs

coz he doesnt want to.

To tell you the truth,I don't want to hear anymore Illusions stuff.

Wow! I love those albums, I'd be happy w/ LOTS more.

Why learn more UYI songs ? When the album drops they wouldjust cut them anyways. They are gonna cut a ton of songs when CD drops and they start playing half of their set with CD songs. They will prob start playing 10 CD songs and 10 old songs. If its 10 old it will  be the classics which will  be. WTTJ, Browstone, SCOM, PC, Nightrain,  Patience, Nov Rain, YCMB, KOHD and one other prob LALD

I really hope they drop LALD by then...can't stand it.

if bumblefoot could have learned the whole setlist in 10 days, the other guys could have learned at least 1 new song in 6 years...

don't be so sure ;)
 ;D