Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i dont know about yous lot but every time i hear it as an opening intro the drawn out 1st cords it always gives me goosebumps i think its the anticipation of a whole show to come, it doesnt matter what show i listen too just always does it to me i can imagine being in the crowd waiting and then hearing it all start

how about the rest of you does it make you feel the same would you rather they used other songs to open like nighttrain or even a brand new one

 :D

Jungle as the opener is as stale as a year old loaf of bread. Using that as the opener just tells you all the songs that are coming up next. These setlists are so predictable everyone knows them by heart.

its the perfect way to open the show.  if it aint' broke dont fix it  : ok:

Personally I have always thought the WTTJ and PC are the greatest songs ever to open and close with. ? In the past old GNR didn't always open with Jungle..but IMO it's great opener. ? ? ?It gave me goosebumps too seeing them at Hammerstein and even when I watch boots or hear audio of it...same thing.

i enjoy it... its cool but i know it will be played first...

i liked the way bucket played it at 01.. the first notes only... then paused... then again... gradualy playing it ... i liked that alot....

its a good opener... and PC is a good closer but all the rest of the set could change.

i'd love to hear it's so easy as an opener... it's just so much of an asskicking song

If they were to change it, I'd like to see them open with Chinese Democracy. 

Agreed...I think they could make that song a killer opener.

agreed... but till then I like listening to WTTJ and I surely will like it more if AXL ever says Wake up... It's Time to Dieeeeeeeee... like he used to

They should open with "Civil War".  :smoking:

it makes me feel first kinda horny... but its all good!

its the greatest opener ever, but i liked the way they opened with nightrain, just the flute first.
great.

it gives me chills every single time. 8)

this is true. ?you have to change things up as much as possible imo based on the fact that we are hearing vitually the same set since 2001. my biggest concern is that when they come to chicago in the fall or winter i will be seeing the new york shows or worse yet, seeing the 2002 show again. ? ?

Jungle is such a powerful song to open with. Definitely my favourite. Massive build up...Crowd always go nuts!!!

This is why I said the CD should have been out before this tour

The NA tour will never make it to Chicago if they're using this same setlist. Rehash is for stereos and county fairs, not GNR U.S. tours.

Opening with WTTJ is nice. It's an immdediate rush of excitement as soon as you hear the opening chords of the song. Makes me want to explode into happiness, scream, and yell.

The only other song I could see them opening with from the new band would be Chinese Democracy. It's the only up tempo song that could get the crowd up on their feet.

WTTJ opening song - gets crowd going (just as it does at sporting events)
PC closing song - one last chance to go nuts

i want to hear MY WORLD to open the show and KOHD as a closer ;)

they're a new band, they should open with a new song. I think personally Chinese Democracy would be a killer opener, the new version's got a killer intro.
but I actually thought it should have been the opener in 2002 too. the way Robin plays the new intro kinda resembles the way he starts with WTTJ, kinda teasing the audience of what to come, and then bust into the song!

Well said. : ok: :peace:

I think Axl likes to open with it because not only is it a great opener, it's also one of the harder songs to sing so getting it out of the way early makes the performance of it better.  Chinese Democracy would be a good song to open with too.  The reason they open with Jungle is because it is a heavy, high energy song that everyone knows and it gets the crowd excited right from the get go

I always liked nightrain as the opener  :)

Hearing WTTJ always gives me chills! : ok:

I could care less about the set list in between the begining and end. But Jungle as the opener is explosive. Just as Paradise City is a great way to end the show.

ISE is a great opener. That bass line is as signature as the opening licks of Wttj.

Question.  If Jungle were removed as the opener, where would you want to place it in the set?  I'd say after November Rain.  We've had Nightrain mentioned as an opener and they used it a lot on the UYI tour, but I prefer Nightrain towards the end.  It's So Easy was a good suggestion.  Chinese Democracy would be a good choice once the album is out, but as of now not enough people know the song.  You Could Be Mine wouldn't be a bad way to start the show either

Things need to be a bit more rotated than they are at the moment, I've nothing against Jungle being the opener but not every show it gets dull, particularly as they don't appear to be going to play anything else new until CD is out. Until there are 13 new songs available to buy from Axl he's going to keep calling on the oldies which is bad enough but to play the oldies in almost the same order gets very stale very fast so until CD is out I'd like to see a very rotated set, maybe open with Better then play Rocket Queen then Yesterdays, in the next show change it again open with Brownstone or Perfect Crime etc. If he's going to play mostly old in thses shows call on UYI material too and mix things up a bit, keeps everything fresher.

As long as you rotate stuff and do whatever you have to do to keep it fresh it's all good....

Of course it's cool to open with WTTJ but personally I think they should challenge both the selves and the audience a lot more....

I love wttj. I never heard it live yet so I'm realy looking forward hearing and seeing that song in Nijmegen soon!!  :beer:

DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE!!!!

its a perfect way to open the shows

They opened with it the first time I saw them back in like 90 and it was insane......

reply to this thread name, it make Honestly it makes me feels like shit  bunch of guys playing afd that I have 0 desire for..

I wish this band would get it'ds own editnity

its stale only to us boring cunts who hang on the internet all day, you ever thought about that!! ???



it gives me the goosbumps, its killer!!  :beer: :drool:

... Nice covers each nice3ZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
how about the fake band bringing it to you, that;'s boring

I have been saying this for some time as well. I really wish they'd open with Chinese Democracy (especially with the new intro). Hopefully after the album comes out that happens. Jungle really is a good opening number but I hope it changes very soon. It'd be good to see them really switch up the setlists.

The minor changes thus far (Sweet Child way earlier, Live and Let Die later) are cool, but I'd really like to see a big shake up starting with CD as an opener.

Whatever.  Just mix it up a bit, oh, and some new material would be nice. ;)  Set setlists suck.

I still say You Could Be Mine would be interesting to hear as the opener.

Opening with Welcome to the Jungle has become so predictable. Id prefer to see them mix of the setlist and give the fans something new, even if it means the slow is slightly less tight.

i love wttj for opening, and pc for closing, it gives me a rush when the lights are down and you hear the beginning of wttj and can see axls image thru the darkness,,,wow what a rush! :yes:

I think they should definately open wit wttj... its not rehash when 99.9 percent of the fans want to hear it!

At the moment nothing makes a better opener than Welcome to the Jungle.  It was written to be an opening song.  Maybe once the new band starts playing more new songs (whether or not the album is released when they start playing them) they may come across a better opener.  At the moment, it's gotta be Jungle.  However, going from that to It's So Easy and then right into Brownstone might need to be mixed up again.  Playing the big 3 all in a row at the beginning is far worse, in my opinion, than having Jungle as a staple opener.

Mike!

Were you HAMMERED when you posted these??  ;D

Just wondering by the typos, they're not like you.

Having said that, I wonder why everyone turns EVERY topic into a New Vs. Old battle instead of the subject at hand?!

Welcome to the rehash baby!  :hihi:

It makes me feel like it's the fourth quarter of a football game. It makes me feel like it's the ninth inning of a baseball game. It makes me feel like it's the third period of a hockey game. Mostly, it makes me feel like getting drunk as fuck and smashing shit up.

It gives you that spine tingling feeling that you are about to see the most explosive band in the world kick some fuckin ass!

Best

Opener

Ever.

nuff said.

Seriously, after waiting an hour (or two) you are so pumped up and dying to hear that tell-tale riff that when you finally do your head just explodes.

Its like watching one of your favorite movies over and over again and the excitement that builds EVERY time when your favorite line or scene is about to come on.

I agree with DTJ too, PC is an amazing song to close with too.  If it ain't broke..........

if they ever ended with anything other than PC i would literally cry..but i think they should mix up jungle..nightrain was a good opener, same with its so easy...  also i liked jungle when it wasent guitar to start but axl screamed 'you know where the f**k you are?".

i have one bootleg where right next door to hell was used as the opener (indiana in 1991 i think) and i liked that too...

Not to sound like a dick or anything Mike,but I have no idea why you put so much effort into a message board for a band you don't even like.

I kinda gotta jump in on that "not to be a dick" thing here too. I often wonder about exactly what you said. There are plenty of posters here that I know truly loved GNR at one time but just do not like the new band or anything Axl has done w/ the band since like 1996.

Although I like reading alot of the posts, I genuinely wondering (in the same "not to be a dick" vein) why some of them still come here. Or as I said before, why every thread has to dissolve into an Old V. New debate.

I know exactly what you mean. I go to other message boards as well,and see people complain all the time,and have for years,yet they spent $65 on a ticket for the NY gigs..Doesn't make sense to me.

I think it's the perfect opener. The small "do do do dolodo" part that provokes the crowd, to the opening chords which I dunno, just seem to fit seeing the band in the stagelights for the first time to the crunching riff and seeing the band begin to rock out.


Same for PC perfect singalong finish.


Just for an example, if Metallica came on with Dirty Window and ended with The Unamed Feeling the fans would shit all over it. Why can't GN'R just start and end on two of their signature songs without a negative reaction?

They should open with "Chinese Democracy".

I dont think anyone "hates" new GNR. Everyone(even the "haters") are giving them a chance. Most old time fans are tired of hearing stuff from 20 years ago. We have endured years of hype for an album that still hasnt been released, and instead of hearing that album, we get to hear live renditions of an album from a band that wasn't even part of it.

The music from new GNR is incredible. You might label me as one of the "haters", but when the new songs leaked I was in front of the line raving about how great some of those songs are. Hell, I consider The Blues, CITR, and Better as some of the best GNR songs ever. I consider The Blues to be a true masterpiece, and it could have easily replaced any song from UYI 1 or 2.

EVERYONE is giving the band a chance. People just want to see what GNR has to offer now instead of these constant trips down memory lane. The new band needs its own identity, and AFD isnt going to give it to them.

I sympathise with this to a degree. I was hoping this 06 tour would be out to prove to the world that 13 years of work hasnt been wasted.

Oh well, guess we have to wait for the album.

As do I, but, if the 2006 version of GnR goes on to release CD and then say 4-5 more albums, I am STILL going to want to hear WTTJ and PC and some other AFD hits when I see them in concert.  They can't just completely ignore the old stuff, otherwise it would be silly to call it Guns N' Roses.  But, for now, I can see why some are dying to hear new songs and less AFD/UYI.  Give it time, the set list will def change when CD drops or a single is released.  I've been there in the trenches from the beginning and nothing will make me happier then when CD is released and we have new material, but after going to 2 out of 4 NYC shows - seeing Axl on stage and hearing those classic songs getting the shit played out of them was a nice way to hold me over.   :beer:

Hanna, I agree to a certain extent. But 80% of AFd doesn't have to be played. The fans arent demanding it. Ok, lets say Jungle is always the opener. Thats 1 AFD hit. What else do you want? Do you want most of it and for most of the other gNR albums to be ignored, or are you willing to have him select certain AFD songs to be played(like during UYI tour)? Like you, I have been "in the trenches" since the beginning, and in my opinion, the only AFD songs that are almost required would be Jungle, SCOM, and PC. You might could put ISE and Brownstone in that category, and maybe NT. Maybe alternate NT with RQ or something on different nights. There just isnt a reason to dig so deep into AFD. Most fans, while waiting for CD, would rather hear something like DC, DTJ,etc. instead of My Michelle, OTGM,etc.

My MUST HAVE AFD songs would be:

WTTJ
PC
NT - the outro is just way to killer
SCOM
ISE
and
RQ (just a huge personal fave)

My michelle with Bas was AWESOME, but that is just going to be case for NY, so I could do without it.

As for more UYI, I'm a bit confused as to what you are asking more of....if they play more UYI, its still more "live renditions of an album from a band that wasn't even part of it." right? 

Personally, the only UYI songs I think missing from the current set lsit are civil war and don't cry.  The other really really good songs are either izzy songs, too long (estranged/coma/locomotive/breakdown) or just not worthy of replacing the AFD songs you mentioned (I mean do I really need to hear bad apples or don't damn me? - they're just not as well known or as good as OTGM and My michelle).  As for the fans demanding, it was pretty clear to me from RiR5 they wanted Don't Cry so I'll give you a big  : ok: on that one!

Well, I would prefer all new songs, but that cant happen. So since he has to rely on old GNR material, I think it would be a better concert if Axl added alot more old material to the setlist besides mostly AFD. Examples, the UYI songs you mentioned, and hell, maybe a few off TSI that most hardcore fans like(Aint it Fun, Down on the Farm, Black Leather,etc). Maybe even perform Move to the City or Mama Kin. Just mix things up a little. That way, when you go see a GNR concert before the album comes out, you have no idea what they will open with, and no clue as to what the exact setlist will be.

Yea, as for the UYI stuff it would be nice to hear a setlist more different than 01/ 02.

Goosebumps...........

WTTJ was always the perfect opener, but now that Axl doesn't do the whole scream-intro I'm not so sure.  It feels a little empty now.  It still fires up the crowd though so I guess it does it's job.

I have to agree.

It is just expected but a welcomed expected.

exactly, why would people think I get pumped to hear axl and some dudes keep playing wttj, why should I get goosebumps when the guys playing have nothing to do with the song besides axl...

Would I get pumped up if others singers were doing gnr tunes..? it would be different but not the same feeling as when axl sings.. Band members who weren't apart playing is no different then someone else singing these songs... I'd rather have the guys who worked on it.. Why am I hearing as many old gnr tunes today as 15 years ago when it's a whole new band, why do people who know others are old time fans not get why we don't get excited to hear jungle from 7 other players plus axl..?? :-\

IMO in this particular case it sounds like you are taking about a complete cover band.   I would in no way shape or form get goosebumps from a total cover band...but when Axl comes out with that scream or just knowing that he is a part of it that is good enough for me.   I mean sure they didn't write but Axl did and since it's all about him too, I get excited and goosebumps when they open with that or play the old tunes.  I don't look at sooooo seriously that just because the band didn't write it doesn't excite me.   I mean...if they did get back to together we saw them live...I think most of us if not all would have corinarys cuz the excitement would be far to great...but for now...this is still exciting and will continue to be until CD is released and we get more material.

well of course it was great to see axl, but hearing jungle makes me think others too.. So for people who axl is their favorite it is possible any incarnation of gnr would be cool by them..

There's just something about the band who did the songs be behind him playing them..

it would be like if someone said who would you rather hear doing my michelle axl or sebation, eevryone would pretty much say axl..

I rather hear the others play wttj, same thing to me..

When I hear vr do brownstone the excitment isn't the same either..

It's like cherone or corabi doing vh or crue tunes of old..

Lead singers of bands are the most identifiable IMO...I was definitely more excited to see Axl do Brownstone and It's So Easy then VR ..I mean it was rocking and great to see VR do it but I didn't get that same rush like I did Axl.  But also it is a matter of opinion depends who is your fav in the band.  Most people would say DLR couldn't pull off any Van Halen songs solo cuz Eddie was VH or vice versa..I guess it's just a matter of the individual opinion and who you really identify with..and then there are those that no matter whether it be VR or GNR doing GNR tunes it's equally as great.

Opening with WTTJ is like The Stones opening with Start Me Up. Neither are anywhere near my favourite songs by the band, but they both create a huge audience adrenalin rush and that's the main point of an opening song IMO - to get the audience totally pumped up and into it from the start.

Me too.  opening with CD got it made.

No doubt WTTJ is a supreme opener.
While "standing by for GNR", knowing I'd be hearing the intro of the song at any minute and I got thrilled.
this firsthand experience convinced me that the setlist for this round ought to be that way.

When we hear Chinese Democracy or manby another new song, opening a show, we won't hear most of the old songs they're playing now, I imagine. this first song, at the same time, will open a new chapter in the band (and in the history of rock music, I hope) .
And I can see still james moaning about as how they play few old songs.

:rofl: It seems like you would actually agree with what I was saying. For ages, you have been saying this new band is better, and how the past is the past and for everyone to move on. That CD is whats important and the old stuff is relics from the past. But I guess since Axl doesn't seem to agree,  you are backing off from those prior statements.

I would agree that CD would be a good opening song. Even something unknown would be great. People seem to forget that before the UYI albums came out Right Next Door to Hell and Perfect Crime were used as openers. It didnt hurt the show by doing that.

I love WTTJ but hey CD would be killer too with all those flames on stage. That's rock  :smoking:

the concerts after CD is realeased (probably the US tour) should start with Chinese Democracy... until then..... do you know where the fuck you areeeeeeeeee? welcome to the jungle!

Jungle. The signature, and one of the best rock songs ever written. The place always erupts.

I get hyped just listening to the opening riff of Jungle on the NY boots.. it's the perfect opener.

SLC described if perfectly with one word.. goosebumps.

I agree...WTTJ is a great opener and tough to beat by any band.  If CD gets rolling big after it's release...then maybe CD as an opener would kick ass.  I see no problem opening with jungle and closing with PC, but I would love to see a very random set list in between these two.  Also, I would like them to drop covers like LALD and KOHD and add other rare tunes instead.

I bet they introduce many more tunes after the CD is released over the course of their tour.  However, I also believe our hardcore fan community sometimes thinks that all other concert attendees think like us.  When most of them love exactly what setlist this band is doing every night right now.

I agree. That song will never get old, IMO.

the way robin plays jungle--with the 'tease riffs'--it will always give me goosebumps

but i'd prefer they open with a new track-one that defines the band as constituted now. i think the reworked CD from this tour would be perfect for that-then launch into an AFD one right after.

but it's probably irrelevant, as i will buy a ticket either way...it's more what the non-diehard public expects from a guns show---and jungle is a staple, and will probably remain the opener even after a new record is out.

I'd rather here the new band with Axl playing the old songs, than never have a chance to hear them live again which is the alternative.  There will never be a reunion.  Hearing Axl sing his old songs with new band members is the closest thing you'll ever hear to the old Guns N Roses again