Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Being it's axl's fav and kind of the show of shows did you expect more

There's no correct answers just wonder if younexpected more then the same

The setlist was predictable, they could have thrown in something new or rare.

But it was a good show and the band gave it 100 %.

We're gonna see better shows than this on  the tour.

I was wanting some announcement about CD, or possibly a new song, not a leak we already have.

I was happy we what we got though ;D  :beer:

I was expecting to hear more new songs...

Not new in the sense of "unheard" but more than were played that's for sure.

Other than that, you really couldn't have asked for a better performance...and plus, we were all watching it for free on our computers so who are we to complain even if it was horrendous? :hihi:

Amazing how he put the leaks in the shows...... How could would it have been to heard NEW music

I agree, although the band played really well, Axl was great IMO, but I was also expecting more new songs, at least TWAT and Chinese Democracy

Yeah, I'm really glad at least they played IRS and Better, those songs rock. I always like IRS even though some people don't, but it sounds much better live, I imagine the studio version will be killer

When they break into a band jam or solo, for a heartbeat, it's like "Is this a new song?!? or just a jam?!" :hihi:

I was very dissapointed..  I saw the same show in 2001 at RIR3... The setlists were almos the same.. They open with jungle, ISE, Brown, .... end with NT, PC.... November Rain in the middle,... a very boring verison of KOHD... It was the same shit i saw in 01... i enjoyed it alot in 01 but in 06 i expect more from Axl Rose and this band... I was VERY bored, and dissapointed... Sorry but i wanted to dig it.... but it sucked...


yeah they played good and the sound sucked.. same ol situation ..... nothing new or anything to get excited about...

Nail has been hit on the head.

Im glad as fuck the band is back and did such a tight show, but Id be lying if I said I wasnt hoping for something unheard at the show..

new band same covers.. Shame they live off the old band at every concert// At least if axl wasn't going to give you covers make your own band n name

I want to burry afd :hihi:

typical old band they live of their established hits, shame ?it's a different band


band

they ran outta time...

Man when will you guys EVER learn. This tour is not to promote CD it's to reaquaint this new version of the band with the fans by sucking them in with classic material. The ONLY reason any CD songs are being played is because they've already been leaked so the cat is outta the bag with those. The CD tour later in the year will be used to play new stuff. A miniscule amount of Guns fans even know the leaked Chinese Democracy songs as it is. If you want new songs in Europe then wait until the full tour kicks in... ?: ok:

what was the 2002 tour for...^

I expected at least one new song. Unfortunately it couldnt happen. We always have to take a trip back in time instead. Sorry, that dog wont hunt. The same thing was said in 2002. How many times does the world have to get reaquainted??

Axl has already stated he was pressured into that tour to make MONEY - it's cost 13 million dollars to make CD so far... you do the math.



See above. After a complete band overhaul and thirteen years with NO NEW PRODUCT? I'd say very often!

never ill follow every show hoping for something new

i heard that in 2001 and 2002... im well aquanted with the new version of the band... as are most people on the board... enough of the same shit.... its boring..

and thats sad... the ONLY reason is sad...

oh and btw

"Now, there's been some concern... that if we play 5 or 6 new songs, then there can't that many more on the album. Au contraire mon fr?re! We're just playin' the songs we're not considering putting out as singles or anything. So you'll get 18 songs and about 10 extra tracks".


how do you know this? your assuming?? your assuming that the album will be out.. your assuming you know the setlists, your assuming that they will tour later this year.... stop assuming..

yeah ok... what ever... dumb shit


ok when is the full tour kick in? i thought it started already......

I think severe technical problems limited the show. ?When the lights went out between songs, on the new feed, one can hear stage crew speaking to each other, and they sound like they are in crisis mode. ?There were a few times, it seems they were trying to replace various parts out on stage (pick-ups, microphones, wiring), in between songs. ?It seems everyone at the show enjoyed it, and could hear all three guitar parts. ?I think, for us to enjoy it at home, Mike, we would have had to have had at least two guitar feeds. ?We only had one, and at times had no mic (or low mic mix), no guitar, and only a synth, drum, and bass in the mix. ?

All in all, though, let's get ready for Rock Am Ring--that will be broadcast online, correct? ? Or is there another broadcast prior to this?

i hope that one will be better sound quality, and that they stream the new songs too.

i expected a whole lotta more..

1)new songs

2)release date for CD

3)Rants

4)Rants

5)new songs

all that  ;)

it wont... it will be the same setlist.. and they wont let you hear anything "new"... lol even tho its not realy new... blues is 5 years "new" now...

I didn't expect anymore from Axl/The band cos they did great. But I was expected alot more (even any) gems in the setlist.

me too.... even if they played an older song from afd/lies/or uyi i would have been happy to see a new show.. not the same i saw in 01 RIR..

You guy's know there is a fixed stream of the show out there--link below?  Guitars still drop out, and what not!  I think the first three songs, KOHD, Forus/Finck guitar solo, Nitghtrain and Patience are highlights!  Major sound problems, on other songs (not GNR's fault, the mix).

http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/guns_n_roses/ondemand

Axl took the piss out of people who want rants before November Rain. Why do you want to see him rant for, yeah he did in his 20s but he's a 44 year old man now, just enjoy the music.

I expected a better broadcast from AOL  :-\

The band was great though.  Axl was in top form.  An excellent show.  Sure theres songs I woulda liked to have seen played, but all n all its great to have GNR back out there kicking ass.  :peace:

This isn't a full tour. It's a few large festivals and some dates in scandinavia. UK dates have been released. More will come when the NEW PRODUCT is released after the fall US tour. That's how it works. Now back to your WWE re-runs!! ?: ok:

oh realy? what is the release date for the NEW PRODUCT??? what are the dates for the fall US tour???  is that how it works???
damn! thanks for clearing it up! 

yea, i was joking  :confused:

that's all I wanted, special day, special treat, suprises etc..

I didn't see the whole show but from the vids I saw I thought the band was great and Axl was great too. ? ?I am one to believe that the setlist will not change until CD comes out. ? I believe that he started his tour early to gear up for the CD tour and that if you saw GNR before the album is released you will certainly go back a second time to see the full blown Chinese Demo tour..with new songs. ? ?Hell who are we kidding we would go back regardless if he played again in our areas : ok:

I was kinda hoping (but not expecting) a release date.

why isn't he like telling us a bunch of stuff?  why isn't he like ranting?  why isn't he like ranting about a bunch of shit. :smoking:

i wanted more but i didnt expect more i was happy with what we got but would of been happier with more the main thing for me is GNR are back and i really think it is for good this time Axl seems happy the band seems relaxed and things are moving along at a good pace now roll on the 7th

I don't know why you people expected more. Rock In Rio is only so important because we make it out to be. To the band, it was just another stop on the tour. Why would they make an album announcement live at a concert? Has any band ever done that before?

Plus, aside from the few hundred people who frequent the message boards, and spend their day thinking about everything Axl has ever done, no one has heard the new songs. To them, The Blues and Chinese Democracy are new. The band didn't choose for those 3 newest songs to leak. Here people are complaining "We already heard these songs." Be thankful you did. You want them to play the entire Chinese Democracy CD in its entirety? There's already 6 songs being played in the setlist from time to time, plus the 3 older songs we've heard in the past.

Makes me wish I never had anything to do with these message boards. You people need to live in the real world

Exactly RIR is a big music festival but well it's just another show for the band..

Cuz he isn't angry on this tour...he is happy ;D

we do live in the real world just because we are obsessive fans of GNR doesnt mean we dont live in the real world.

lmao, that was great :rofl:

you people need to realize that this is all part of axl's masterplan and that we will have both announcements about CD and more new songs in due course, just be patient and give it time, axl even thanked us for our patience! :beer: for now, be happy that he's touring :drool:

coz i have seen it all before at the last RIR.. and knowing the history of Axl i wanted something new... not the same shit from RIR3

uuum no.. its important coz the entire world is watching it.. online, direct tv, blogs, chat, dvds.... its an important gig...

oh yeah just another stop... there are sooo many more chances to play RIR again this year.. and they have already played it before, just another stop... ho hum.. no big deal we are just playing for 300,000 people... no biggie

just even mentioning its status or whats up with it would have been cool.. we dont need a release date but just an update would be nice.


"See you all next year back here with a bunch of new songs"!!! ?- axl in RIR3 2001
"See you all next summer"!!! - Axl MSG 2002

you dont get out much from the msg boards do you??? alot of ppl know the new songs... hell they even played one on the VMA's in 2002....

yeah nobody heard them on the 2002 tour... they played to empty arenas didnt they dude?

glad for that or we would never hear them...

Thankfull for hearing the same songs this year that i did in 2001? no im not thankfull.. im pissed off and it sucks....

no i dont... i just want something new... songs from Lies, UYI, or Spaggeti would be nice...


"Now, there's been some concern... that if we play 5 or 6 new songs, then there can't that many more on the album. Au contraire mon fr?re! We're just playin' the songs we're not considering putting out as singles or anything. So you'll get 18 songs and about 10 extra tracks. And when that... when the record company feels that has run [it's] source, then you'll get it all over again"


So what.. were not being done any favors by hearing the blues again...



me too.. your stupid



you need to read more.

i agree... most people are not like us.....i was happy as could be at the shows when Better would come on but most people had no clue what it was... Most people are going for the old shit and not worried about anything else but hearing some good music that they know and love.  Most of us that spend our day thinking about "everything that Axl has ever done" want to hear a much different show...with some UYI shit and CD shit but Axl is putting on a show for the normal majority.

What is all this "warm up tour" shit...?  :confused:

That's a damn insult to every European - warming up for those Mighty Americans huh...?  :rofl:

Let me tell you something - a 30 date tour, playing all the major festivals and (basically) starting at Rock In Rio AIN'T NO WARM UP TOUR.  : ok:

i saw 3 shows of this tour yet - NYC on the 17th, Madrid and RIR. although NYC was really special since it had Izzy and it was a small venue, i gotta say that RIR was my favorite. the band was dead on, Axl was on top form. I know must of you saw this on TV, and i had a chance to see it also, and it does no justice to what i saw in the venue. it's almost like it wasn't the same show.
i know the radio broadcast was ok, so maybe we'll get a bootleg with that audio source and you'll get a better idea.
i was expecting nothing more that what we got, and personally i wouldn't take a song out of the set list, although i would like to see more songs there, but it's impossible to have a 5 hour set list

All I was sayin is this kind of is a dupliocate of 02, I only wanted new stuff things we never heard so w2e can distance two../ They are great show no doubt, just saying it would be great for cd to drop and add more NEW tunes

Timing is off...if had he dropped CD already I am sure things would be alot different.

For the people who say they're tired of hearing the classic tunes and want to hear "new" stuff, you know you're in the minority right?  By a large margin.  I too would like to hear more new songs, but until the album comes out (if it ever does), that ain't gonna happen.  Of the 50,000 supposed people at RIR, maybe 1,000 of them were hardcore fans wanting to hear new songs.  The rest of the crowd would've been bored to tears and headed for the restrooms if Axl said, "here's something new".  This happens at all concerts when bands play their new stuff.  I can just imagine the outcry if they played a majority of new songs.  We just have to be patient.  If you wanna be mad at anything it should be the fact that the album isn't close to being released yet.  Until then, what you see is what you get.

can you imagne wever saying drorpred :hihi:

IMO they should have mixed the tour up, with more 'intimate' gigs to showcase (or practise) the new stuff...

heres?s part of my review of RiR to answer ur question:

Well, but switching to the show again, it was a damn good show, I loved Rocket Queen and You could be mine, they were the best in my opinion... However, I was thinking that this RiR gig would be more special... I thought that Axl, as he did in RiR 3, would be more talkative to the people, that would say anything about the album, or even talk about the past, you know... that would be very cool. but instead, for the little he talked to us, he said almost the same things as he did in Spain and in NYC... he asked us if we were into downloading, and then we said yes and he called us motherfuckers... u know, as he did in NYC... then, he did the James Brown thing, wich I didn?t like anyway (as well as the Richard and Robin Beautiful solos, which I thought were fucking lame  and a bit of Don?t Cry in the solo which put people singing just like in Spain- argh why didn?t they just play it??  ) as he did in Spain... I mean, he didn?t do anything special, he did this show as just a tour show, and I was so not expecting this as this would be by far, the most important show of the tour, being aired in so many coutries... but maybe, as my brother says, he just doesn?t care. But this is not all... I did get the impression that he even sang less songs than in Spain (like Madagascar, My Michele and There Was a Time - the only new music I really liked... I was so sad that they didn?t play it)... but I?m not sure about it as I wasn?t in Spain... I really thought they would do a 3 hours show, that they would play more songs, maybe from the Illusions... but no, nothing like that happened, and yes I was a bit dissapointed about that....

Yes I expected more. I was shocked by the shitty audience, there was no passion, they didn't move, even worst than in Tokyo'92! :confused:
The crowd was nothing compared to Rio 2001.

I expected more new songs, considering Rio along with Download will probably be the 2 biggest shows of the summer. I'm surprised and a bit disappointed only 3 new songs were played to the watching world last night. There's only so long he can keep this kind of tour going imo.

O'rly? That isn't what the people who were ACTUALLY THERE are saying..

"On the new feed"?? You could hear all that on the live Internet feed the first go-round.

nesquik, your a weird guy. It's obvious the crowd enjoyed Guns N' Roses lots. The reason you think the crowd was quiet was cause of the shitty sound crew didn't put a god damn microphone anywhere near the crowd. So you couldn't exactly hear them. Moreover the whole broadcast was shitty soundwise. Bad mix for broadcarst. Therefor people who weren't there might got an other impression. The show went down great. For fuck sake think before you post dude. ? :)

That beeing said, yeah the crowd didn't exactly bounce as hard as on rir3, so what man. Different country different people, different attitude, different reactions.

i was hopimg for some other songs.. not new ones but just other from UYI.. i also wanted to hear chinese democracy and some other songs but i guess that they had to finish early.. great show otherwise

I think theres a misconception among many on here that these live shows are somehow performed for them as internet message board posters rather than the attending audience. 

The show was pretty much what I expected, but Ron Thals "Dont Cry" solo was a nice little surprise.  From what I saw, Axl looked and sounded great.  If you guys are expecting new songs, youll probably be disappointed until the album comes out. 

WOW I nevr knew there was worse then tokyo 92 :o :o :o :o

No y'er right. There was nothing worse then the Tokyo '92 concert. But dude...we had an agreement in here to never speak of that show again. Shame on you.

You mean the American 2002 tour?

yes the whole november to december monster tour

For those of you saying the band ran out of time, that to play more songs would have meant a "5 hour set," perhaps had the band not played 1 drum solo, 1 piano solo, and 5 guitar solos they might have had enough time to squeeze in a few more songs.  Just a thought

Cheers,

Andrew

yeah was gutted he keeps playing the same old shit.. everyones asking why.. but im glad the nov rain solos werent like the rir3  :-X

I thought the show was fantastic.  Just to be able to SEE them live (via the internet at least, not up close and personal) for the first time in 4 years.  What more can you ask for?  I'm amazed at how many negative comments there have been about the performance.  I couldn't wipe the smile from my face the entire time watching it and I've watched bits and pieces every day since.  On a side note, why did AOL have to censor the songs after its original airing, taking out the expletives?  I guess you can't please everyone, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  So in my opinion I couldn't have been more thrilled with the show and I look forward to many more in the near future.

I believe Axl wants to take the band around the world with the old material before he drops the new album.

I've been visiting family up north and flew in yesterday so I just watched some of the clips and listened to the mp3s and I am totally blown away by this bands sound and Axl's voice. It's a shame about the quality of the audio.

But for me, if at the end of the 2002 tour if you would have said:

- Axl's voice will sound vintage with the rasp and be 200% better than 02
- The band will play new songs (IRS, Better)
- The band will sound better then EVER
- Axl will ditch the jerseys and go for a rocker look etc..

You would have damn well been looking forward to and content with Rio!

I think we should think about all things people bitched and complained about the last tour and then look at what as have now  :yes:

i just watched the whole thing on aol, and to be honest, that band rocks.  To me it looks like 2002 was one big rehearsal.  The songs sound alittle different too, and the new songs are amazing.  The band looks like they're rocking out 10000x more then 02.  The only thing they have to do to truly win the fans over is release Chinese Democracy, and then tour with good mix of songs

I would have liked an announcement on the release date for the album.
I would have liked a unheard song from the album being played. Or at least There Was A Time.
And say what you will,but I would have liked to hear what Axl's thoughts are on Scott's comments.

I just now heard the webcast. I expected Axl's voice to be better, a lot better
This is horrible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5j2B2V7XYg
And don't blame this on the mix: I can hear the difference between Axl's mike cutting out and Axl's voice sounding, well, not so good at all... At the end, when the mix is really bad in a Tom Jones kinda way, you can hear his voice really well. Don't go telling me that's his voice being "back in all it's UYI glory" huh...

I expected more songs but the festival ran out of time, so not their fault...

Besides that..it was everything I hoped for.

Its silly to expect more new and unheard songs..

First off I thought the show was great.  The audio was a little off watching online, that's been well discussed, but aside from that it was great to see.  Axl did screw up twice though, he's human.  He started Patience early, then stopped and regrouped.  And he started Paradise City early too and he sort of screwed the band up a bit.  I just watched the replay of the song on youtube.com and since he started early the band gets to the part where he's supposed to blow the whistle but he's not ready for it, so then he puts the whistle in his mouth but the band is already passed that.  However, it took me 3 times to notice this and they're very minor mistakes.  Still had a blast watching the show from the comfort of my own room.

It's nothing new and it's rock n roll.

The old band did the exact same thing..at Japan 92 they drop off a couple of times but saves it rather well without most people noticing it..

It doesnt matter...its rock n roll.

OK. Then drop the album and don't bother touring after that.

Yeah it was still a great show and I'm sure I wouldn't have even noticed it live in person. ?You can pay a little closer attention when they're on your cpu screen.

Im sounding like a Hater here lately and I swear to GOD I dont mean to sound this way but I watched about 3 songs on RIR and I was bored out of my fuckin mind.

Maybe its the AFD setlist or the bands lack of energy but I hated it to be honest.

What good would that do?

Really? I didn't see any of the tour yet. I'm a little surprised you hated it, though.

At this point who knows. Maybe he'll decide to tour behind it if the reaction to it is what he desires.

Have you seen the show from beginning to end or just 3 separate songs?? You gotta watch the whole show to get a good feel for it.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "I hated it", but I was bored very early on.  IT was the sound that took me out of it.  I had heard all the songs in NYC and expected the same set list, but it sucked when yhou couldn't hear anything.  It was like putting on a DVD of your fave movie but the sound is all fucked up so its not as fun as it would be if you could enjoy it.  I think it was more disappointment in the sound then a feeling of "this show sucks". 

once the sound got fixed I started paying a lot more attention to it and began to really enjoy it.

I expected a lot more, and here's my reasons why. Axl's statement two years ago about Bucket leaving the band, forcing the band to cancel playing Rio, a month before the show is to even take place. In this statement Axl mentions how much Rio means to him and how disappointed he is that he's been robbed from playing Rio by one of his own. Let's fast forward to this 2006 tour. Axl hires Bumblefoot, as a replacement, a week before the start of this tour. That just proves to me that Axl could have played the festival two years ago, and his statement was horse shit. Axl, being an intelligent guy, would have figured out that the statement from two years ago, now makes him look bad. You would think he would be extra motivated to put on a special show. He does not put on a special show at all however. The band plays the same setlist as every night this tour, even omitting Chinese Democracy, TWAT, and Madagascar. Axl doesn't inform the crowd about what he's been up to the last few years or offer up any kind of update on Chinese Democracy. He put in a workmanlike performance that he could have pulled off two years ago, so I don't blame anybody who's disappointed by Rio.

When are people gonna realize that the setlist is gonna remain the same until the new album comes out.  If you don't like that, then stop following the band.  3 songs were dropped from the setlist due to time constraints I imagine, plus the sound problems they were having. 

Its mind blowing isn't it??  I can't count the number of bands who play the same set list with minor variations EVERY night they go on stage.  These people expect the band to change it just b/c they follow every show.  News flash dudes, we are the extreme minority.

The funniest post I ever read was the guy who said he paid 1,000 to go to NY so axl should respect that and release CD hahahahahahah  :rofl:

I didn't see any of it so I can't say

But I'm sure watching it over the web you lost some of the enrgy and adrenaline you'd get if you were there live

I think people were hoping that Rio would serve as a launching point for Chinese Democracy. The band could have played the first single, announced a release date, and then released the single to radio and put out a video. I guess it's just a too far fetched concept to put out a single and announce a release date at some point on your supposed comeback tour.

There is a difference between what I EXPECTED and what I WANTED.  Rio was everything I expected.  The NYC shows were warmup shows, so you knew there wouldn't be a Coma performance or a new song that has not leaked.  I do agree though I am now fully aquainted with the new band.  Time for them to stand on their own two feet and keep the Appetite Songs to a minimum, or bring back Slash, whichever is easiest  ;)

Good point, but we don't know how long it was secretly known in the band that Bumblefoot was going to come in.? We only heard about it a week before the start of the tour.? It may have been decided a while before-hand.

Yes i did.

I find it a little hard to believe that after YEARS of hearing nothing from Axl, some of you are bored and disapointed after 6 shows. ?Last year at this time, if even a photo of Axl turned up on the net we were excited. ?Now he's back, looking and sounding better then he has since the early nineties and you are disapointed? Wow.

Yes I want CD too, but compare 2006 to 2005, or 2004, or even 2002, and tell me again how bad thing are.

My 2 cents. ? ?

excellent post... best way to sum it all up.... even just adding a few songs from LIES or UYI or even if they played a new COVER song that the band worked up esp for the show it would have felt more special.. not like going thorough the motions...

hell even that unplugged show in NYC got to hear Your Crazy .. why not the biggest show of the tour?


Very big dissapoinment

i think coz everyone was wanting Axl to come back and kick ass... sure they are kicking ass but its the same as we left off in 2002... what a waste.

I love Guns N Roses I have 20 plus boots and RIR 5 was not Guns N Roses.

U couldnt pay me 100 dollars to sit through that again.

I am sick of AFD live.

I am sick of the butchering of solos

I am sick of little new material being played.

Im sick of the lame guitar and drum solos

Fuck why not throw in a bass and Pittman solo why u are at it?

In 2005, I was sick of silence.

You people who "wanted more" are hilarious. ?Right now, take a look at the amount of posts that were (are) in each section of the "GN'R on Tour" thread. ?On average, there's about 8,000 (and the only reason it's that high is because there was 15,000 posts for the first night at Hammerstein.)

Anyways, do the math: ?There were roughly 55,000 at Rio. ?Let's for sake of argument, ?say that ALL 8,000 POSTERS on this board went to the show - that's only about 15%!!!!

Meaning that most of the people that go to these shows have NO IDEA what they've played in the past on this tour, and they DON'T FOLLOW THEM like we do!! ?

Like HannaHat said earlier - alot of you have to realise that the people like us who follow them on a day to day basis are in the MINORITY. ?

I went with a friend of mine to the last night at Hammerstein. ?Casual GN'R fan. ?He LOVED it. ?He had no idea what they played at the other shows, and has no idea that they're playing these European ones. ?But that one night, he was entertained out of his fucking mind. ?

THAT'S who the MAJORITY is for these concerts.

-end rant.

Great post BK

lmao, your gonna give the man ideas!! He did the drum solo to annoy people.....just laugh at it ;)

just coz people dont post on the board doesnt mean they havent heard the songs... you think nobody heard them when they played the same songs in 2001 or 2002? they played to empty arenas? the new songs are not so new anymore... the setlist with the same 3 opening songs and ending 2 songs with NR in the middle is old..

even had they busted out a Lies or Illusion song would have been good...

BWe are the people who will buy multiple copies of Chinese Democracy and encourage our friends and others to buy Chinese Democracy. If this tour is not about gearing up to promote Chinese Democracy then what's the fucking point. If Axl wants to increase ticket sales for the tour all he has to do is call Slash and the rest of the old band up.

I just finished watching IRS on youtube....OMG!!! Fuck anyone who says Axl has "lost it".  The clip only reaffirmed to me that AXL ROSE may be the greatest front man of ALL TIME.

Robio  :smoking:

IT'S BEEN 6 FUCKING SHOWS!! 4 of which were warm up shows. Give them some fucking time..jesus h christ on a popsicle.  Yeah it woulda been nice to hear TWAT, Maddy, and CD at Rio...but they were only scheduled for 1:45..the went way over as it was. And if you expect them to play songs that havnt been leaked/played before off of Chinese Democracy then your just plain dumb. They played Used to Love her and Your crazy at the part accoustic show...so it shows their willing to try new things on a moments notice...they were trying to please the fans that want to hear all the big hits. Basically your critical of the band for having TOO MANY HITS, and you as a super fan want to hear more obscure songs. i would abosultely love to hear Coma or Estranged...but do you think that the huge crowd at Rio would want 100 minutes eaten up when they could hear 3 classic songs? I have no doubt in my mind songs like Civil War, Don't Cry, and Used to Love Her  eventually if not on the Europeantour then on th eventual NA tour. You might never hear Estranged, or Locomotve, or Dont Damn Me played live...which is unfortunate, but totally understandable. If the band had a year of touring under their belt and played the same setlist every time then youd have reason to gripe...until then sit back and like many have said enjoy it! Their back and sounding good! Nothing is ever enough apparently...

In case you don`t remeber, Bumblefoot decline an offer to replace BH in 2004  :-\

Footee isn't the only guitar player they could have got for a replacement to do Rio in 2004. Especially since they are just covering old GnR songs for the most part anyway.

oh please, if he played more UYI or Lies some of you guys would say you've heard these songs in the 90s tour and he needs to do "something different".  Some of you will just NEVER be satisfied.  BKinNYC is DEAD ON - I met more casual fans at both hammerstein nights then I did die hards and thats even after going to Mustang Harrys to meet up with you lunatics ;)  The average GNR fan isn't even aware of this site or any of the other ones.  They don't religiously check the set lists every night and disect every solo to see how Bumblefoot played it compared to buckethead.  There are probably GNR fans attending these shows who have no clue who buckethead is!!!!!  Thats b/c they're not searching YouTube for videos, they're not on ebay buying RIR3 DVDs.  Do you guys think everyone in attendance at a football/baseball game is a fan of one of the teams on the field??  Or do you think some people just like to see a good game.  People attend rock concerts the same way.  For christ sakes people go to GNR shows just to piss off axl!! haha. Take you head out of the snow globe, there is life outside of the little world we've created on this msg board.

That is the ultimate question to which no one has the answer!!

Overall, despite  a very similar  set  list to '01-'02, I was pleased and thought the band accomplished its  goal--to show it is back and can rock. And Axl showed that he  is  back. They will build  from here to get better  and better. This is just the beginning of a process.