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Title: Trim the solos?
Post by: Tomorrows on May 29, 2006, 06:12:49 AM
I know concerts are meant to be watched live and not just listened to so this might make my point totally invalid but whatever. I was listening to the entire concert today at university and I thought the solos really weighed things down.

From about LALD onwards the show just seems to lose all its steam as it gets bogged down in a bunch of excessive solos.

Dont get me wrong - the solos are technically impressive and Fortus' in particular was amazing. Initially I was wowed by each solo, but I quickly got quite bored.

The only person who really should be doing solos IMO is Ron Thal because he is "the nuke" and needs to establish himself to fans.

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So yeah, in summary, the solos are good but they needlessly slow the whole show down.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: TWT on May 29, 2006, 06:16:15 AM
From RIR it was apparent that Axl couldn't keep up with the pace even with the solos there to give him a breather, so we won't be seeing them removed.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: Tomorrows on May 29, 2006, 06:17:33 AM
I figured that might be a likely reason, but even if they replaced them with some kick ass full-band instrumentals I think things would go over better.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: Alan on May 29, 2006, 06:22:07 AM
or finding a song that one of the other band members could sing, like they did back in the day with attitude.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: jimmythegent on May 29, 2006, 06:23:57 AM
good point

you'd have thought Axl might have learned a lesson or two from the UYI boat era - apparently not

but in saying that, the band is left with little or no choice given Axl's ongoing penchant for leaving the stage several times during a show

solo spots are just momentum killers for a crowd


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: willow on May 29, 2006, 07:17:22 AM
I never could understand why people don't like solo's!! I love the solo's! Gives the audience and the band a little break and the artist gets to show some outside talent. I say keep them.
amy


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: Tomorrows on May 29, 2006, 07:20:04 AM
Why does the audience need a break?

An onslaught of GnR takes hours to get overwhelming  :peace:


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: illusionone on May 29, 2006, 07:41:43 AM
I'm on the fence with the solo deal - but it would be cool to have tommy sing a song from his solo album.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: Gaymo, the Hobbit on May 29, 2006, 07:53:34 AM
I think right now the solos are important, so that those people who don't know the new band very well, are able to get to know them..


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on May 29, 2006, 07:55:22 AM
love the solos, it makes it more of a GNR show than the Axl show, also it is practical, it gives Axl a breather. The solos also showcase how good the other guys are, nice to see a band in 2006 with some musicianship skills.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: Andrew on May 29, 2006, 07:58:58 AM
Bumblefoot and Tommy would both be able to pull off a tune, both are very accomplished singers with plenty of material to choose. I recently brought some of BBF's albums and was surprised he didn't use a song off there as his solo.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: Tomorrows on May 29, 2006, 08:52:43 AM
For what its worth - I really loved Dizzy Reed's Ziggy Stardust solo. Cant wait till I see it on vid  :hihi:


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: AxlsMainMan on May 29, 2006, 08:58:42 AM
love the solos, it makes it more of a GNR show than the Axl show, also it is practical, it gives Axl a breather. The solos also showcase how good the other guys are, nice to see a band in 2006 with some musicianship skills.

If Axl didn't want their shows to come across as "The Axl Rose Show" then Im still wondering why none of the new guys really interact or speak with the crowd at all...?

Like how come Tommy doesn't grab the mic and be like "What's up Rio?!!?!?!"

Or Bumblefoot could be like, "So this is a little song I wrote called...."

Just an idea :peace:


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: LittleFly on May 29, 2006, 09:01:50 AM
I know I love the Beautiful solo between Fink and Fortus.  I could listen to that everyday and never be bored.  I agree with willow though, it's nice to have a breather every once in a while.  Ok, maybe I'm just old  :hihi:


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: LittleFly on May 29, 2006, 09:03:25 AM
love the solos, it makes it more of a GNR show than the Axl show, also it is practical, it gives Axl a breather. The solos also showcase how good the other guys are, nice to see a band in 2006 with some musicianship skills.

If Axl didn't want their shows to come across as "The Axl Rose Show" then Im still wondering why none of the new guys really interact or speak with the crowd at all...?

Like how come Tommy doesn't grab the mic and be like "What's up Rio?!!?!?!"

Or Bumblefoot could be like, "So this is a little song I wrote called...."

Just an idea :peace:

I remember at the Hammerstein, Tommy did say something into his mic to Axl/the audience.  Unfortunately, the volume on it was turned down so much, that I at least couldn't hear it :(


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: ARC on May 29, 2006, 09:13:54 AM
At least it separates GNR from the dime-a-dozen grunge/nu-metal/indie bands out there...


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: crimson_joel on May 29, 2006, 01:03:44 PM
These are definately nothing more than a break for Axl, sure maybe solos were more popular in the early 90's and it was more exciting to see Duff sing a song or Slash solo than say Ron Thal. But as long as Axl needs his breaks from performing, there will be solos. Let's just hope they get a little more exciting...


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: ShotgunBlues1978 on May 29, 2006, 01:58:36 PM
Cut the drum solo.  Give all the guitarists and Dizzy a minute or so to jam leading into a song.  That works fine


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: AmyRose on May 29, 2006, 02:08:07 PM
I'd say get rid of the solos....if not then at least trim them down quite a bit. Pretty boring.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: makane on May 29, 2006, 02:17:55 PM
Unfortunately only Richard is capable of bringing decent solos. They should just let Richard do maybe one or two solos per show. Bumble could also "introduce" himself in these early shows.
Finck's solos are pointless.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: F*ck Fear on May 29, 2006, 02:34:03 PM
I totally understand what you mean. Maybe they should cut it down somewhat. Have one big ass one. Let Ron rip for a fair amount of time,than have Fotus and Finck join him before going off into the next tune.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: gmGnR on May 29, 2006, 02:55:54 PM
I know concerts are meant to be watched live and not just listened to so this might make my point totally invalid but whatever. I was listening to the entire concert today at university and I thought the solos really weighed things down.

From about LALD onwards the show just seems to lose all its steam as it gets bogged down in a bunch of excessive solos.

Dont get me wrong - the solos are technically impressive and Fortus' in particular was amazing. Initially I was wowed by each solo, but I quickly got quite bored.

The only person who really should be doing solos IMO is Ron Thal because he is "the nuke" and needs to establish himself to fans.

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So yeah, in summary, the solos are good but they needlessly slow the whole show down.


Solos are annoying, especially in this case. Sorry for all the Finck/Fortus/Foot fans, but it's not like we're hearing Slash, Metallica or AC/DC solos... What we have in GNR right now are the most boring guitar solos I've ever heard. Just my opinion.

Unfortunately, Axl needs some time to catch his breath meaning we'll still have these, and given the energy he displays on stage, it's not surprizing that we get 5 or 6 of them. If only they could cut that down to a couple, that's be much better. I like the instrumental suggestion someone talked about. That'd be more interesting.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: rubinone on May 29, 2006, 03:14:28 PM
Personally I rather watch an hour of kick ass rock n roll but a cool thing with Robin Finck's solo was that what he actually played was Finlandia by Sibelius and I don't think that many of you got that.


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: .Seal on May 29, 2006, 03:15:07 PM
Personally I rather watch an hour of kick ass rock n roll but a cool thing with Robin Finck's solo was that what he actually played was Finlandia by Sibelius and I don't think that many of you got that.
Yes it was and it's fucking amazing!  :D


Title: Re: Trim the solos?
Post by: sootn on May 29, 2006, 04:36:15 PM
solos are pimp its fucking concert who cares