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Nightrain Rio - BUCKETHEAD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHcLJ2A1QHM...20night%20train

Nightrain Ritz AFD ERA - SLASH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7emHNVkQ8...20night%20train

Nightrain RIO LISBON -BUMBLEFOOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csuDiJWJLvQ...nightrain%20rio

Poor Bumble has a bad mix....but overall melody...Buckethead and Slash.... 8)

Slash.

Buckethead by far

Bumblefoot is awesome i like himm the best so far. BH scared the shit out of me so i never liked him.

I really wonder how Slash would sound on Nightrain now with all the synth effects from Pittman and giving the song a modern edge like Bucket does....the AFD version is very stripped down....

loved buckets nightrain ?: ok:
but i love bumble's outro also ?: ok:
and well, then there's slash ?:hihi:

i like them all to be honest, there all a bit different and are all great versions in their own right.

Watch the videos dude...which sounds the best?

But bumble's is a bad mix isn't it? He sounds like he's straight shredding....Bucket's shredding seems to have more melody to me.... ???

between ron and buckets.. (buckets was great)

Slash.

buckethead. I also preffered his last solo during paradise city.

The one who wrote it, Slash!  :smoking:

Buckethead's outro is better than anyone's, one of the best solos I've ever heard

1. Buckethead
2. Ron Thal
3. Slash

slash

i see where you're coming from there. i'm a guitarist myself and i can shred and play with feeling aswell..... well at least i think i can ?:hihi: anyway, bucket did seem to possess that ability to shred with feeling and alot of his solo work does show this. bumble's does seem like it has less "emotion to it", but i think this is a great outro nonetheless ?: ok: bumble can play solo's with that melody and feeling that you talk about, maybe he felt it was more of a chance to show off his technical ability more than his melodic ability. His version of Don't cry almost had me in tears, and its one of the simplest to play, but he adds emotion and feeling to it, which is real talent ?:peace:

bumble

Buckethead's version is my favorite by far, but I think Ron can beat him in a while, he just needs more time with the band, I see he's getting better after each show playing the old songs

Buckethead's Version is the best.....He made me love nightrain for the first time after all these years....Nightrain for me was just an average song until Buckethead played it.....Nightrain was the highlight of the 2002 Tour for me....Now it is just an average song again :'(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWK99RS18JQ&search=buckethead%20nightrain

From about 3:20-4:35, amazing solo

Buckethead's rio is my all time fav  8)

Bumble's is impressive to.

Slash's is dull and unexciting.

lol Jim bob you're so predictable. To his credit, he's playing it completely stripped down without pittman's effects, dizzy's keyboards and without two guitars layering his riffs..

Sly I think these aer the links you meant to use ;)

Nightrain Rio - Buckethead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHcLJ2A1QHM...20night%20train (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHcLJ2A1QHM&search=guns%20roses%20night%20train)

Nightrain Ritz AFD ERA - SLASH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7emHNVkQ8...20night%20train (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7emHNVkQ8&search=guns%20roses%20night%20train)

RIO LISBON -BUMBLEFOOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csuDiJWJLvQ...nightrain%20rio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csuDiJWJLvQ&search=nightrain%20rio)

Yep...

That Buckethead nightrain from rio rocks so hard... 8)

I hope Bumble goes for more melody and less technical showmanship next time he plays nightrain, I'd love to hear what he can do melodically with nightrain....

1. Buckethead by a mile
2. Slash
3. Thal (was shown the way it could be by Big B)

I'm going to that just because SylvesterStallone has asked me in a very polite way to do it!
First I want you to know that my coments are going to be as objetive as i can, so i don't going to say what's the better to me.

1) Slash: his first solo is very good, he's demostrating here his mastery playing original pentatonic patterns. He knows a lot of left hand positions to play the minor pentatonic scale.
The outro solo: once again, he's a master of Hard Rock blues playing. He is the lord of the pentatonic world!
Very good phrasing in two important part of the solo (Slash has better left hand technique that right hand technique).
Very intelligent use of hard picking in the last bars of the solo (like Angus Young). This aspect is very overlooked in rock guitar, so thanks, Slash!

2) Buckethead: the first solo (the one he plays after the one Izzy used to play) is played note per note. He even plays the last five notes before the slide part! I think he used the tabbook to learn it or he put a lot of interest to play good this solo (remember, this solo is not an improvisation, so it's need to be played as close to the oreiginal as possible). He's demostrating here that he's very profesional.
The outro solo is an excelent example of how to improvise lead guitar in a personal way. This solo has born to be improvisated but not in a totally free way (Slash and Buckethead allways improvisated this outro solo but they allways kept intact the principals licks). He plays here melodic patterns that you can find in all his discography (specially in Colma). He's phrasing here is SUPERB, he changes his left hand position in a very fluid way. This SOLO is AWESOME! You can tell the Randy Rhoads influence here! He knowledge of scale position is brilliant! It's evident he has studied hard the fretboard!

3) Ron Thal: He's a dissapointment to me. This guy has lot of technique but his solos are boring.
The first solo: he still doesn't know how to play this one. He improvised a lot and he is lost.
The outro solo: a lot of notes played up and down the fretboard with no melodic sense. He plays scales like when a person is practicing at home. He plays cliche all the time.
I think he's going to improve because Ron Thal is a very talented guy, he's got tons of guitar knowledge.

fuck man, you know too much : ok: just joking? :peace: as i'm a guitarist i understand what your talking about, not sure about the others though? :hihi: would love to hear randy rhoads playing nightrain by the way. shame we never will? :no:

great critique btw. Bucket would be proud that you noticed so much about him.

Thanks again for the analysis....I appreciate it! 8)

1 - Buckethead . He took the song from Slash's boring library and breathed life into it. Like colouring in a comic book. 10/10
2 - Ron Thal. Learned it in just a few rehearsals and with probably no more than an hour or two practice 8/10
3 - Slash. He wrote some great stuff for GNR, but not stuff that is relevant now. His VR work is an embarassment 6/10

That says it all really. The people hanging on desperately to the old band are losing. Buckethead pi$$es all over Slash in any song as his talent makes Slash look like the drunken club guitarist he really is.

Thal should be given till the end of the tour to catch up, but I'm betting he won't be too far behind Bucket.

The thing I really don't get is how you all say Slash is so great, yet offer no reason why his solo band was a pile of rancid offal and his current 'supergroup' is also a big bag of poo.

The new VR album will be better. Lets face it, it can't be any worse.

Um....He created all these solos and riffs you love so much. It's hard work creating shit. Especially having 2 of your riffs (SCOM and Paradise City) end up in the top 20 riffs of all time. Can any of these cats do that? No. That was Slash's talent.

Buckethead is a guitar master, ofcourse he'll play the fuck out of slash's work, he's a very talented guy. However you'd be hard pressed to find a guy who can create the beautiful riffs and solos of slash. That's a Slash speciality and why people love him so much.

Nice try to bash Slash though.... ;D

Solos aside, anyone claiming Axl's voice is anywhere near as strong as it was is smoking something after watching all 3. I was at the Hammerstein and it was a major improvement after the 02 show I saw, but man, he was belting out nightrain in that 1992 video.


As for the favorite solo, Bucket played the outro the best, but Slash wrote it.......so who is really playing it better. If someone tweaked and redid the Mona Lisa a bit to make it more attractive, would it make them a better or more brilliant artist than Da Vince?

Buckets Pittsburgh 2002 version is hands down the best.

I think alot of people have hit on a good point - What could Slash do with already amazing guitar work with the rest of the current synthesizers and 2 other guitarists and I think thats true.  I'm going with Slash becuase  well, he wrote the damn song!

Thanks again Stallone!
Thanks Jimmy!
Thanks Killingvector!

Check you PM Stallone!

Buckethead's outro is so far removed from the part Slash wrote it's almost a moot point.  Slash played songs written by other people better than the original and nobody was afraid to say it, it shouldn't be any different in this case.  Buckethead's Nightrain outro blows the doors off the ones that Slash and Ron Thal did, there's not really any shame in that because on technical ability and talent alone Buckethead is on another level, even though Slash is one of the best when it comes to writing great and memorable riffs and solos, or at least he was when old GnR was together

Don't forget that we've not heard the majority of Buckethead's work on the album yet. Or Robin's.

i dont think the ritz 88 is a good example of slash live...i mean c'mon thats one of the most stoned/drunk ive seen him.

get something from the 90s, awesome nightrains were done as openers then.

http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/guns_n_roses/ondemand

I like the one on this site:

http://music.aol.com/network_live/concert_videos/guns_n_roses/ondemand

Slash.
when it comes to old songs...always Slash, no doubt.

how bout someone get a youtube link of chicago 92?

Slash's classic outro solo on Nightrain is the benchmark for which these other 2 hired replacement guys are to be judged - got it?

So this thread should be about who has done the best job of replicating and/or replacing Slashs work - it is absolutley a no-brainer that this solo, along with every other GNR solo to date is Slashs, and these guys can reinterpret it the best they can and thats all they can hope to achieve here.

Its like asking the question of whose version of Vivaldis Four seasons is better and then questioning whether or not the said interpretation beats the composition itself. Priceless stuff

So with that considered, BH to me has it all over BBF - in every area

Bucket's version was the best by far. But what's the point, we have Bumble now and have to live with that....

So you'd happily admit that the guitar work on the original Knockin On Heaven's Door are superior to Slash's?

Why's it such a big deal?  Nobody has a problem saying that the guitars on KOHD are better in the GnR version than the Bob Dylan version.  But it's blasphemy to think that Buckethead's solo on Nightrain is better than Slash's  :P

until yesterday i thought the version with buckethead on the solo was the best one ever but after hearing ron rip through it for several minutes on the live stream last night, my opinion has changed! ;D i've said it before and i'll say it again, ron is a guitar genius and will take gnr to new heights! :beer:

Honestly, who cares whos is better...they ALL rock in their own way.  All three guys have their own styles and put their own twists on it.  I enjoyed all of them and it would be really hard to say if one was better then any other.  :beer:

The difference is GNR were covering and redoing a song that wasn't theirs. The current incarnation of GNR is supposed to be GNR and not a cover band, so they should play the songs the way they are supposed to be played. Doing otherwise makes them a good cover band with a great lead singer, and that is not what Axl wants us to believe......at least I think so.

You're talking semantics, and the circumstances a little different, but in truth that when it comes down to it there's really no difference.  On KOHD, Slash played guitar on a song he didn't write but made them sound better than the guitar on the original.  On Nightrain, Buckethead played guitar on a song he didn't write and in my opinion at least made them better than the original

It seems a little silly to say that it's okay to say Slash's guitars are better on KOHD but not that Buckethead played Slash's parts better on Nightrain, simply because Buckethead replaced Slash in GNR while KOHD was a cover song

But isn't that in effect "covering" the song?

I like the Pittsburgh 2002 version of Nightrain outro solo, and Boston 2002 version of KOHD that Bucket did!  ;D





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Does it really matter what terms you use to describe it?  Buckethead played on a song that Slash wrote and put a totally different spin on it, Buckethead's outro sounds almost nothing like Slash's.  I don't really care to discuss semantics.  Is it a cover?  Is it not?  Who cares?  I think Buckethead's outro sounds better than Slash's

1) Slash






2) Buckethead
3) Bumblefoot

whiteshark's very fair critique of the 3 guitarists is SPOT on.  Buckethead is quite simply superb in BOTH feel and melody (see: Colma) as well as raw technique (see: all his other catalog), not to mention inventiveness.   Again, all respect to Ron, who is still very good and genuine nice guy -- but Buckethead's guitar are very hard to match up to.  I agree that Buckethead may not have been a better "fit" for GnR, but, man, his guitar playing could have brought the new GnR to whole different level.  If Axl has any brains left, he will leave Buckethead's track intact.

That shouldn't make a difference in the way you perceive them.  No matter what, this version of GnR is going to be playing old songs that no one except Axl had a hand in creating in their original form.  I don't see how playing note for note the way the old songs originally sounded or putting a new spin on them should change your opinion on whether they're a "cover" band or not.  It doesn't really relate to the discussion we're having here anyway.  Either you think Slash's outro is better or you think Buckethead's is better, or you think Ron Thal's is better.  The side discussion about semantics, is Buckethead covering a song or isn't he, and is this or isn't this GnR isn't really related to the topic of this threat  :peace:

Amen! I have no problem with people liking Bucket's more because it's brilliant but anyone who put Bumble ahead of Slash clearly has something against the guy. Bumble's Nov Rain solo was great but  the rest is extremely boring. he NEEDS to be more melodic, especially on Nightrain!

Buckethead's work in 2002 was better than in RIR3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QWK99RS18JQ&search=Buckethead%20nightrain

slash made them , and rules them. He will always be to me the best guitarist GNR could've ever had. From what i heard Bumblefoot seems to know what FEELING is , and BH was never really hittin it for me. Its really no question that UYI tour outro on slash behalf is the best , then its BH then the man with the bucket!

bucket was in the band, it's not a cover, get over yourself.

Slash Wrote It and wrote it fucking well!
Bucket did an awesome job doin' his own thing with it.
Ron also did his own thing with it and well... I like Ron more then bucket but his solo's need more melody. Like look at the Don't Cry thing. Thats probably the coolest thing I've seen in this new GN'R era.

Oh... and I'd put Slash's outro on Nightrain on the UYI dvd's above everything.
That is by far the best thing I've ever heard. Ever. If you have the dvd's go watch it and tell me Bucket's is better. It's not.

Buckets is a million times better. Ive seen enough bootlegs of the UYI tour to know.

That may be the case, but then what would you call re-interpreting another musician's work?

Well then.
We obviously are on oppisite spectrums of how we like our guitar.

I'm not a fan of shred at all.

That's the wonderful thing about opinion  : ok:

I own the official pro shot Tokyo DVDs and I've heard plenty of bootlegs to make this assesment.  I still think Buckethead's outro is better than Slash's.  That doesn't mean Slash's aren't awesome, but Buckethead's is just better in my opinion.  It sounds better to me and also is incredibly impressive example of technique

What would you call replicating another musician's work note for note?  It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation if you look at it that way

Better yet listen to Nightrain on Live Era. After Gilby gets done fucking up Izzy's solo Slash just absolutely tears it up! And like Pope said....Slash fuckin wrote it!. It's clear anyone everyone saying Slash sucks have only heard the stripped down, 21yr old, 3min version on Appetite

Bucket may be a million times better, but Slash is a million times better at making guitar riffs and solos people will still be listening to and talking about 20 years from now. As a musician, which is most preferable? All the technical prowess in the world doesn't matter if people don't remember/care about the music you make. Bucket will fade back into obscurity, and Slash's guitar solos will continue to be revered. I am sure he is perfectly comfortable being the player he is, even if that means not being considered a virutoso.

I don't see how anyone who likes GnR could say Slash sucks  :no:

But I don't think the Slash wrote it argument really matters because Buckethead wrote his solo in that song.  It doesn't really have anything in common with Slash's except that it's on the same song, it's a totally new spin but for me it fits the song perfectly

I'll clear it up...Slash wrote the core of the song. The overall melody that inspires Buckethead to do his thing.

Thats not true. if you've seen Bucket live you know that if he wanted to he could be part of a timeless band. His songs are full of emtion and he can shred like no other! Not many guitar players today can play as good. He is a guitar god in every sense but he chooses to stay out of the limelight. Much like Izzy

This version from Pittsburgh 2002 is the best i've ever heard. It's unfucking real. Check it out and tell me what you think.
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A7C48754364FED70

But none of his work will be remembered.
Slash will go down in history. He, along with the rest of the original Guns, are shoe-in's for the hall of fame.

Bucket, like it or not will never reach the status Slash has.

so what?  that doesn't mean we aren't allowed to like Bucket's take on it better.

I understand but I'm saying he could reach godlike status if he wanted

Maybe not by you.  He doesn't care anyway.  Buckethead is out there in his own world, and obviously being in a huge band and getting showered with praise and attention isn't his thing.  Otherwise he wouldn't wear a mask on his face, go out of his way to make avoid being seen or speaking in public, and he wouldn't have quit GnR.  What happens if his stuff gets left on Chinese Democracy and it sells 10-15 million copies worldwide, are you saying nobody will care about or remember his work on the album?

unfortunately I think his parts will be re-recorded so CD won't be as good as it could've been

Tommy and Dizzy both said that Buckethead's parts would be on the album.  Axl also publically thanked Buckethead for his contributions in a statement after Bucket quit, so it seems like they'll stay.  His parts aren't exactly easy to replace

If Axl erases Buckets contribution I hope a leaked version of Cd will appear with Buckets parts. I'm dying to hear what he brought to the project.

I have to give Slash his credit: an amazing solo which I regret everytime I listen to AFD wasn't extended on the album. Of course I have to choose to hear Slash if forced to make such a choice between 3 players. But having said that Bucket was a worthy successor and surely made Slash proud, if he cared to have a listen.

And Naupis, Bucket's work may not be commerically known but among his colleagues his work is very respected.

Buckethead... RIR3, Leeds, Boston - all evolution versions are just awesome

I think a better question is which version of SCOM is better:

Axl

Sheryl Crowe

or

Carrie Underwood


 :hihi:

too stupid joke :-*

Carrie Underwood did SCOM?!  :-[  Someone gag me

Wow I think Naupis just OWNED everyone in this thread.

Great fuckin analogy.

Thats so true.

Not really.  It's not that Slash doesn't play his version of the solo great, and he deserves due credit for helping write the song.  But Buckethead's solo really has nothing to do with Slash's, not even the framework.  Buckethead plays an entirely different solo over the Nightrain rhythm section written by Duff and Izzy.  It's also pretty impossible to own someone when we're discussing opinion, Slash and Buckethead both do amazing but very different solos on Nightrain, it just comes down to personal preference

so what youre saying is that its not GNR but another band 'covering' GNR?

I agree entirely

look Bucket's rendition is fuckin amazing! but it's still not as good as Slash's because his is pure emotion. Something inspired Slash to tear up the end of Nightrain. The song could've easily kept repeating the chorus and the Buckethead solo wouldn't even exist but something inspired Slash to come up with those unbelievable melodies.

I already pointed out that it's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for people with your view on it.  If they play it note for note they get slammed for just mimicking what Slash and Izzy already did.  If they put their own spin on it, it's not really GnR.  The band that's playing right now is Guns N Roses, and if you really want to get technical about it, Slash isn't an original or founding member of the band.  Axl is the last man standing from the original GnR days and it's been that way since 1991 in a technical sense and since Duff left the band in the standard sense.  Unfortunately this "dead horse" doesn't have anything to do with the discussion and seems more like a diversionary tactic that's sidetracking the discussion.  The is it or isn't it really GnR has been done to death since the year 2000, everyone's pretty much made up their mind.  Let's leave it at that and come to realize that none of us are going to change each other's mind.

Discussing the different solos, now that we've heard 3 different guitarists take on them is worthwhile because Ron Thal just joined the band.  They all play the solo well in their own way, and some of us think that Buckethead's is the best, I'm not going to say anyone's wrong for thinking Slash's is the best as it's a great solo and Slash is one of the main reasons all of us loved GnR to begin with.  But the discussion of whether the new band is the "real" GnR has next to nothing to do with whether Buckethead or Slash's Nightrain solo is better  :peace:

bucket played the solo the best... nobody comes close to playing it like that....

Buckethead's for his mad factor  :beer: and Slash's for his grind style  : ok:

I have not heard Bumblefoot yet. Is this some kind of wind up:  :peace:

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Buckethead at RiR playing Nightrain was Nightrain at it's best. Buckethead at Boston'02 (the link) is Buckethead doing things to Nightrain i dislike. I think that's Bucket's style, he likes to play songs differently all the time  ;D

Slash

Slash

Slash (the guy who came up with it, you know)

yes he is covering it. because if it wasnt for slash you wouldnt havr the nightrain we all know and love and buckethead wouldnt be able to put his fancy techniques over and already written solo.

Honest to god, cross my heart and hope to die: Slash
I really enjoy listening to that one best.
I really enjoy the complete version of that song best, btw... (axl's voice, Duff's stage presences, Slash's parts, the overall guitar sound, ...)

Slash Slash Slash Definately

i honestly dont get how anyone can enjoy someone else playing slashs parts, to me thats like someone prefering scott weiland singin its so easy over Axl, but live and let live i guess

I meant to say enjoy someone playing slashs parts MORE than slash, of course i still enjoy the new gnr guitarists playin the tunes

Guns N' Roses - Nightrain - Rock In Rio 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ_8m0gFkks&search=nightrain
this YouTube link works

now that i have seen the song played live, it was good. RiR3 i liked more, first of all i liked Buckethead's performance better and 2nd, Brain was more mad on the drums back in RiR3. Brain sounded like Adler in Riop 2006 (not a bad thing).

So you is best, Slash, Bucket or Bumblefoot. There are all good. Slash sounds the most raw (which i like) and Buckethead sounds the most mad, really i also like. Bumblefoot is somewhere in the middle.


Buckethead wins for me  :beer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ni9zBwVQA4&search=nightrain

Slash.

Oviously the new guys are going to pull off the new songs the best. But as for the old songs Slash.

ritz, how good it is isn't the point, it's the band behind it

anyone can make an all star team///

Buckethead.

this is an easy question.   The best version of each of the original songs  will always be from the old band  , end of story. I don't care if you have Jimmy Paige and Brian May sharing leads   the old band will always rule the old songs.  But As far as  the new band is concerned , I think  Saturday's nighttrain was the best performance the new band has done of that song.   The band was tight and having fun and you can see the emotion in the playing unlike in 2001-2002.  Also Axl sounds better now than 02'  so that helps.  Even if Buckets solo was technically better   his outfit and gimmick  took away from the performance .  Moving like a robot , I hate that in a musician.

As SWINGTRADER said, Saturday night's Nightrain was the best version the new band has done live...they were just so insanely tight and cohesive from begining to end on that song...I was absolutely blown away...

Closest version to that is Pukkelpop '02 Id say.. : ok:

amazing how you people swing for the gnr of the day, kind of lame really..

there's omnly one gnr, shame it passed

Got to say, to date my favourite version of the outro solo is Buckethead's one at Pittsburgh; it's a bit more melodic than Thal's. Thal has a tendency to slip into showcasing his technical skills in the solo; Buckehead did the same, but knew when to scale it back for some melodic parts. I like Thal, though; I'm sure he'll step up to the plate...

SG

Slash by far.... Maybe not the Ritz but a thousand other versions...

Bucket'swas cool from what I remember...

Haven't heard or seen the new guy...

Is it a question?






Everything is better with Slash. (And with Axl BTW.)

slash. and it's not even a discussion worth having. not even close.

watching these vids made me realize that the current lineup isn't even close to the old lineup.

i think 06 is better than 02 overall, only because axl sounds so much better now.

BUT, axl had a better stage presence in 02.

Totally agree, if he hadn?t written it, they wouldn?t  have a nightrain to lay solos in  :smoking:

so do you get bored with the first song of the use your illsions dvds? i don?t think so, none of them play it with the heart that slash did. Period.

By the way - Ritz 88 is a very bad example.

Sure, it was a classic performance, but Slash gets WAYYYYY better than that.

Seeing the video's i have been thinking the same, Axl while sounding great does not have the same stage presence. It could be his new outfits. The casual jeans, bull fighters top, pin stripe waist coat, Stevie Wonder glassed and the rug top don't seem as hard hitting as the swim shorts combined with boots and bandana  :hihi:

The new look Axl appears like he is attempting to show the world he has a stack of cash behind him. The big rings, gold top, trendy shoes. The old sports shorts, Converse boots and t-shirts have gone.

nothing cooler then those days ;D

i agree with you 100%.

axl is like the guy who shows up at a block party dressed WAY to nice, and then doesn't want to play volley ball or drinking games cause he doesn't want to break a sweat or get his clothes dirty.

what the fuck? ???

so was yours, you couldn't even get the quoting right.
your post made no sense, that's why i asked. that being said, yes bumblefoot will be remembered, get over the fact that slash is gone and cut your mullet already.

keep dreaming, kid.

and be thankful there were true guitarists like slash, so you kids today could have "pretenders" like bumblefoot.

forum fans : ok:

Bumblefoot rocked.... Slash is Slash and he's a icon.. I can tell you right now Ron's got the job. I feel more out of Ron performance than Bucketheads..   

exacty! Slash was really drunk during that show...its still a legendary show. I like Nightrain from Australia 88!

also how lame is Sorum on that song?! he doesn't do the cowbell and it kills the intro. I'm glad Brain brought it back. Brain is the man! :beer:

Slash's Nightrain riffs are my preference.  Like most of his other solos it is awesome.

SLASH!! I would rather have him play better, TWAT, the blues etc. than finck! Slash is like God and his nightrain is miles above anyone elses.

here's a thought. Maybe people are taking to Buckethead and Bumblefoot over Slash as these guys are injecting a type on newness into the old GnR songs. Imagine if either Buckethead or Bumblefoot were the orignals and Slash turned up in 2006 and added his magic, maybe then we'd be really blown away.

it just annoys me when people(mostly youngsters) put down my favorite gnr song. It's m fav for a reason. It is Slash's best work imo

^ It annoys me when you say "youngster" I'm 15 and I fully understand GNR. Slash wrote the damn parts , he is the one for years played it and perfected it. Ron and BH are just people trying to re invent it.

of course nothing beats the original... Slash made that solo and still plays the heck out of it... although from some of the performances in the UYI tour(near the end) he sounds tired.

close second is Buckethead's... from the first time he played the outro in RIR3 I knew he can play the f**k out of the old GNR songs. and he did, he can play it note for note, but he brought a new kick out of it.

haven't heard Ron Thal's version, so i can't comment on that.

I like Slash's best, of course.  For me, Bumble's comes second, he totally owned it at RIR, while Bucket's is a close third.  they're all fantastic.

yeah. nightrain is one of my fav song. i think they're all great! but i can't stop listening to the one in RIR06 it's just amazing! so powerful, energetic.just rocks  8)

Chances are if It was one of Buckethead or Bumblefoot in the original GN'R they would be no where near the level the actual band reached.
That band was all about variaubles. The right band, the right music, the right musicians, the right style, the right charcterisitics, the right personality's, the right attitude at the perfect time.

Pure speculation on your part.

can someone upload the nightrain video from rio 5 already??

Without Slash's presence only three songs would be the same: My World, Can't Put... and Look at your game girl. So Slash didn't matter these three songs made GN'R  :yes:












 :no:

My World of course was the run away hit of 1988.  :love:

regarding Axl 's stage presence  all i have to say is :   Tshirt,  jeans ,  long straight hair ( no pony tail), comfortable shoes ( low top tennis shoe, vans )   if he could do that  he would be easily more mobile, look younger  and kick major ass.  it would also  eliminate all the haters comments  about Axl  being a wigger.

Interesting, I never knew he wasn't on those two SI songs........ Love all three of those songs... Well, maybe I don't love "Memory" but it is cool. I haven't heard it in years....

Dude u are fuckin joking right?

SO iF CC Deville played in GNR instead of Slash and the guitarist for Bulletboys played instead of Izzy GNR wouldve wrote WTTJ,SCOM,PC and all the other fuckin hits?

U are totally dillusional if u really believe that u couldve thrown anybody with Axl back then and still had what u have today.

name one piece of music that Bucket or Bumble have done that has stood the test of time?

U do realize had Slash not played SCOM, Axl never wouldve wrote the lyrics and melodies to that right?

U realize if he hadnt came up with the guitar riffs for WTTJ and Nightrain that Axl never wouldve wrote those either right?

had Izzy not came up with all the amazing riffs he did, Axl wouldnt have these timeless classics for his nu band to play on tour.

U can worship at the altar of Axl Rose all u like dude, but Quit raping and robbing the contributions of the original members just so u can slurp Axl's dick cause its lame,uncool and just ignorant.

Slash...playing....There was a time... :drool:

I don't wanna get in any fight but in my opinion Slash's version kick's ass because there's feeling in the solo, it sounds Slash whereas in the others players in my opinion the solos are more technical but I would confuse Bucketheat and Ron  Slash sound is like Jimmy Page sound 

I'l Say Slash, Slash and Slash...oh I forgot Slash

but to bee more recent I'd say Bumblefoot over Buckethead

SLASH SLASH AND YEAH SLASH it doesnt get much better than SLASH!!!!!!!!!

Obviously Guns guitar man, obviously Slash, SLASH, SLASH, SLASH, SLASH, SLASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 What a ridiculous question!!!!

To all the Axl' dick suckers :-*, sorry if you want me out of this forum but i'll be here for you : ok: :hihi: :rofl:

well, this makes you a Slash dicksucker!! : ok:


I just herd Rons solo n' it was f'kn mad as, im with this guy all the way, hell yeah, that rocked!! :drool: :drool:

i loved Buckets solo, the part he always added, but the rest he just stredds, Rons has everythin', he's the man!!

i cant get over it man :beer: :beer:

Randy rhodes playing nightrain... wooaahhh that would be a cool sight. But i think we're a little to late to see randy play.

The answer is always Slash on the old songs.  Why bother? 

No no and no.  Slash doesn't have the Jimmy Page sound at all.  Id say Bumblefoot players closer to Page, just listen to a song like Communication Breakdown.   It's all fast, techinal type stuff.

Ok just so u know Slash is playing in natural minor not pentatonic and he is far from the lord of the pentatonic scale.  Yes i no he throws in some pentatonic licks as they're all in narutral minor anyways.  And Buckethead destroys bumblefoot.  Its a close call but i enjoy Bucket's more than Slash's.  Yes i no Slash originally played it, so im not saying Bucket's is anything more than a guitarist covering a nother guitarist's work its just better in my opinion.

Or we'd be having the same conversation with only the names changing places. There'd always be those, who'd settle only for one thing and one thing only - the very one they can never have. Slash would get the treatment Bucket and Thal are getting, no question. There'd be those who'd embrace his work on its own right, but that would only arise to the fullest once he'd play his own material with the band, instead of reimagining other peoples parts.

Further developing this idea, if there's one thing I would like to see, it would be Thal being in the band in 2001-04, and being replaced by Bucket. The message board reactions would be quite something. 

Amen.  : ok: No one can ever replace Slash. As good as these guys are on stage, the magic between Axl and Slash will never be repeated.

I am sad every time I listen to Nightrain and Buckethead's solo isn't in it any longer.. he just took the song to an even higher level.