Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I listened to the RIO broadcast last night and all it came off to me as was a horrible cover band butchering classics. Please fold the tent up and go back into the hole you hid in for the last 11yrs. Your voice is a shell of what it once was and this 3 headed guitar monster you think you have does not work at all. I know alot of people kiss your ass and can't come to grips with the fact that not everything you do is good but as a GnR fan from the beginning I must tell you that you are on the verge of destroying GnRs legacy. The AFD songs are lifeless live. Maybe it's because this band didn't write them or maybe it just because they can't play them they way REAL GnR fans expect them to be played. Whatever the case if you must go on using the GnR brand please stop playing any "OLD" GnR songs. You've had 13 yrs to write new music and it's been 17yrs since the interview where you said you wanted to "Bury Appetite" well last night you sure buried it cause I couldn't tell what the hell was going on out there. Song after song I tried to explain to my wife and daughter that this wasn't the band I was so obsessed with that I still went out the day the illusions albums came out even though earlier in that day I was jumped and spent hours getting stitched up and was told I may lose my sight. Thinking only I have to get UYI's. Explaining the raw power and energy of my first GnR show at MSG where as a 14 yr I was almost in tears as I screamed along to every word that came out of your mouth. I know almost 90% of this board agrees with every move you make, hell they even try to dignify the length of time its taken you to write some so-so songs. Axl you will never have the world at the palm of your hand the way you once did and I will never have my favorite band of all time again. So I will continue to listen to AFD,Lies,UYI I & II? they way it was intended with Slash Duff & Izzy but as far as this new GnR I will not be a fan of it.? :crying:? :'( :no:

Now go ahead and rip me a new one and tell I shouldn't be on this board but keep in mind this is a GnR board and I'm a Huge GnR fan.....just not this GnR

im not gonna rip you. But im gonna say i dont agree on anything you wrote above. And the reviews seams to be on my side. iv been a GNR fan since 1990 also. And this new GNR lineup Rocks! They are simply great! And Axl`s voice is the best since 1990

You are a MEAN gnr fan...  >:(

i dont think he is a GNR fan anymore.. Just living on the old memories.. and thats ok.. i injoy the presens and future..  : ok:

words fail me.

I think GNR is evolving.
Evolution is a good thing.

zzzzzzzzzz... oh sorry... i fell asleep while reading your post..

wow. sad post. ?:hihi: :rofl:

They should do it a bit faster though...

dumbest post ever...
if you dont like this line up dont watch it.... you better download paris 92 and jack off seeing it

Keep in mind people were saying the same thing about Van Halen w/Sammy Hagar.

That said, yawn...

Can someone move this to the Dead Horse section please?

Hell no. This is more like, Important topics.

I also do not agree with the original poster. 

I really like the current line up.  I honestly do not analyse every note of a live performance.  If the live performance were played perfectly, might as well listen to the cd instead  :hihi:  The band gels well together and seem to really love playing. It seemed to me that Axl was enjoying performing, as opposed to 2002 when he seemed like he felt like he HAD to be there.

I love watching the band enjoy what their doing. I can't wait to see where they will go from here ;D

I can't comment on the Rio show, i wasn't there. The bootlegs sound odd, probably though no fault of the band though.

I have seen the new GnR in a different light to the old GnR (based on the fact that i have seen the old GnR and the new GnR perform live). The AFD songs were performed in a more wild way back in the early 90's, but Axl is older these days. Also the new GnR do have a new sound, and in some ways sound more polished than the old GnR. But for many the old GnR were all about raw power. One positive thing to say about the new GnR is, the new songs, i like them. So while the old GnR songs are being performed for the sake of being performed to keep the fans happy. The most important thing is the new material. I so want the new album, even if it is to be spread across 3 Cd's  :peace:

guys we gotta respect all the opinions here... we can?t bash those who have a completely point of view from us... this is a forum so it?s so normal to see different points of view... I agree with something he says there... this new band will never be as magical as the old one. Gn?R will never be the same, and we can?t help it... that?s it. you can read my review on the RiR show in the Gn?r on tour section if you feel like it... there I talk a bit about all this, after seein them live.

If you don't support the new band, fine. But it seems like topics like this pop up all the time by newbies. Maybe we could just have a "NU-GN'R sucks" sticky in the dead horse section.

That I can agree with 100%.

I started to read this mans (boy?) open letter to Uncle Axl but I stopped after 3 sentences when I realized I
had read the same thing 54575 times since 2001 already.

if you don't like the thought of axl taking this band somewhere new and giving something back to the fans after all this years, fine, stay at home and listen to your albums and old bootlegs, but quit bringing fans of the new band down with these shitty threads.

Then quit replying to them

I love one-post wonders.

A new band should go by a new name and stop bastardizing OLD music. I fully support the fact that this is a new band but when 85% of your set list is old songs and you use an old name you open yourself up to these kinds of discussions.

The new band sounds awesome.

The audio was off last night, had something to do with the stream. Anybody can tell that if you hear a bass guitar or a keyboard louder then then lead singer, something is being delivered incorrectly, and obviously isn't the band.

Even if they have 3 new albums out, you can bet that they will be playing these songs.

Every band plays their hits and then a few news ones of their current album.

Im sorry, but you are 6 years too late in trying to get me into this discussion.

Once the new album(s) are out, it will be more even.

only been hearing that for 11 yrs now

I agree with the starter of this thread 100%.
But i am taking comfort in the fact that we have probably heard half of Chinese Democracy already, and fellow gnr fans, in aint no appetite, lies, or illusions SO FAR.

And i will love the day when this album is released and everyone realises that although there may be some good songs, it's not going to be remembered as a classic album, it won't be on anyone's top 100 list, and you all are going to be left wondering why you cared in the first place.
Bash away fuckers, but come this fall everyone will see this 'band' for what it is.

Guess we'll have to wait and see...  :rant:

Ahh man. I hope Axl reads this. He'll have a good laugh. ?;D

They can't please everyone. So what if you don't like them? Thousands of other people don't either! Join the queue, mate. But you are completely overreacting - "Your voice is a shell of what it once was and this 3 headed guitar monster you think you have does not work at all." Please, get a grip.



Now, do stop moaning.

Booooooring..... You suck.

Wow.  I though "Nightrain" was spectacular, and that all the Appetite songs held up quite well.  Personally, I'm thrilled with the current lineup.  They *are* GnR.

I don't know what your priorities are, but I just want an album that I enjoy listening to; one that I don't get easily tired of and one that I can pull out every few months and enjoy again.  Classic status or whatever you want to call is determined by pompous pontificators trying to justify their employment at some music rag. I really don't care if critics want to deem this album a historic piece of writing or not; we won't know it until years after its release and by then we will have formed our own opinion of its worth. Enjoy the music, enjoy the shows, and be happy this is not 1997 or 2003 again.

YouTube:

Nightrain - AFD Era:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ckPD5VfrM&search=roses%20nightrain
Raw Power. Makes the UYI GnR sound bloated and tired...

Nightrain - UYI Era:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO7emHNVkQ8&search=guns%20roses%20night%20train
Slash sounds off and Matt Sorum seems slow compared to Brain  :hihi:

Nightrain - RIR3 Era (feat.Buckethead)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHcLJ2A1QHM&search=guns%20roses%20night%20train
Buckethead and Brain rule  : ok:

Nightrain - RIR5 Era (feat.Bumblefoot)
- where's the link  ???


compare  ;D
The AFD era was the best, although the new GnR sound better than the UYI era...

someone get the fucking link up and show him!! ;D

Have to say that the post was strong but in some respects I agree. TWAT is the only song i take to at the moment from new GNR, Fortus is a legend, and Bubmble apart from the gameboy solo at the start of his solo is immense. Robin always seems like he's playing the wrong note but that is just my ears that need to get used to it!!!

The songs are nowhere near as good as old GNR, they never will be u need slash for that to get the sound, but in their own right they are good, and still leagues above any band out there at the moment

Fish

I worry that when the new album comes out all the music will be lost in the polarisation of like UYI vs CD or AFD vs CD LIES vs CD , CD vs SPI and all the rest of it.

Its bad enough now that every so often someone goes "YUI is full of crap only AFD rocks" then a bunch of others refute it or agree and its on for young and old.


So its kinda fucked either way now - if CD sucked (which it wont IMHO) then we'll all be disapointed, and worse, people will think the new band and new material tarnishes the reputation of the old band and albums OR if its another masterpiece - then we can all fight forever about which albums are better and which is the real GNR etc (this will especially happen if the current line up was to release 2-3 albums).

For my part - i would have prefered that the current GNR line-up was playing less of the old material. Firstly cos i love the old songs to death - but new songs offer so much more in that its something cool i dont know yet. But mostly its because -axl+dizzy aside - the old songs are not written by this band - so from the point of the musicians they are covers. And its not that they play them worse or better or anything to me. Its just kinda like - the guitar solos on AFD we're written by slash for slash and its weird to have someone else play them. Likewise i find it weird when Scott from VR sings the occasional GNR tune - those parts were written for Axl (and by Axl/Axl+izzy/whomever for each song)!!!

So i mean in a perfect world for me - it'd be like a huge show where  VR would play all their own new songs - then the current GNR line up would play all the CD songs - then we'd have a big reunion love in at the end where the old band played the orginal songs. Oh yeah and there would be lots of strippers and free beer. LOL. Anyway...i mean its not going to happen that way!

Anyway i'll try and resume the topic - I do agree to the extent that i think the new band are far better at playing their own songs than they are at interpreting the AFD songs. Which isnt to say they suck on AFD songs - its more that i'm saying they rock on CD songs all the harder!! Or perhaps its just that i'm more interested in the new songs. So i'd like to see Axl and co focus more on the future and less on the past...

BUT

I'm also a realist and the relaity is - the casual fan expects the hits at a gig of a famous band. Like people want the  songs they grew up with - if they didn't play WTTJ, SCOM and PC people would get upset. So basicly they have to do that stuff, and then we also get some new songs. Its how all the huge bands work I think.

I guess that could have been solved if Axl had droped the GNR name. Like if this band was called like AXL ROSE or something - then they could do a show of 90% new material and like 2-3 old songs just for a but of a crowed pleaser.  (This is the approach VR take - its like 90% contraband then a couple of STP or GNR songs mixed in) and get away with it....but he kept the name, which makes commercial sence amongst other things...and so if your going to call yourself GNR - you gotta play the old songs.....so they do.

Anyway I say peace to all. The old band were gods and live as such forever in my memory. The new bands new songs really hit me and inspire me too - and I look forward to a great album. I say again - one doesn't have to suck in order for the other to be good - they can co exist!!

Sorry for the long and rambling post everyone!

omg and i thought the post about fortus and bumblefoot replacing fink was the dumbest post ever!

Wouldnt it be easier for u to just stop listening?

Everyone has their opinion, but it would suck to be u.

New York Roses would have been a good name. Doubt it would have attracted as much attention as the name Guns n'Roses though  :hihi:

Yes i saw nightrain last night. I also just watched the UYI era in Oklahoma 92 do Nightrain. I hope you can see it someday, now theres a band on fire. And anyway, in a way you proved my point by saying that AFD era was best. Thankyou i agree.

you will like this new ones,trust me : ok:
................................................... :rofl:

you probably thought oh my god was brilliant. the only thing that sucks here is people having a problem with others expressing thier opinion. disagree all you want (most have) but try having something constructive to say other then 3rd grade insults.

          Dear Axl;

                           Its pretty clear that from last nights show you are indeed back in full force. The new band are very good and have showcased thier skills to the MILLIONS who watched Rock in Rio around the world.

                           Its pretty easy to listen to the " doubters " who will ride you for changing the band. Because quite simply they perfer it. As an old fans I think you should keep Finck,Fortus,Thal and Brain . All 4 kicked ass and ripped last night.

                             Good show and you made this old fan happy. May ya prove all those doubters WRONG !!

It's 2006 now.  It's not like they just started playing their first shows.  We, people that have been on this board for many years, get pissed at topics like this because we've been hearing about it for years.  Where were you with you're opinion on this new band in 2001???  Or in 1999 when OMG came out??  I've never seen so many new people on this board in my life, some of which are very nice, don't get me wrong, but most of the new people on here are so fucking negative about his band.  If it's so bad, then stop coming here.  If you miss the old guys so bad, go to the VR section and talk about them there.  After 5 or 6 years of seeing the same topic a thousand times, it gets really fucking old.  The fact is, most of us here are here for this NEW band.  Sure we love the old guys and always will, they gave us some of the best music ever, but we are here for what's happening NOW.  I'm not going to live in the past and sit at home and cry because Slash isn't in GNR anymore.  You know what I do?? I listen to Velvet Revolver.  It's not hard.  This new band to a lot of us here, some of the biggest GNR fans in the world, IS Guns N' Roses.  So if you don't accept it, fine.  You're allowed to have an opinion, but do you really need to start another fucking topic about it.  This last month has been one of the best for GNR in so many fucking years and everybody should be so happy and grateful.  GNR and Axl are finally back and with a vengeance.  The NY shows were a fucking huge deal and the band played amazing.  They did a fucking secret acoustic show after the other 4 NYC shows for Christ sake.  With all of this shit going on and most of us on this board so happy, there is still a huge handful of people sitting at there fucking computers and trying to ruin the mood for everyone.  It's like with last nights broadcast, in the Rio thread, if you were following along that thread during the show, every 10 posts someone would have to start talking shit about this band.  If it's that bad, then why the hell are you listening to it anyway?  I don't get some people at all.  All you negative fucks are just a bunch of stupid fuckheads in my book.  Each of you with 10 or 20 posts of nothing but negativity and it's never been this bad on this board before.  It's like with the NYC shows, people that haven't followed the band for 10 years, sign up and bitch and moan that Slash and Izzy aren't here anymore.  They haven't been here for 10 and 15 years!!!!  Alright, I'm done.  It just blows my mind that people think so bad about this band, but actually still spend their time on this board.  Either you can't admit you like them because you're scared or you're just a fucking god damn pussy with a fucking god damn problem.

Amen to that.

I used to discuss this to the death back in 1998-1999-2001 and even 2002. It get's old people. Back in 1998 I could have actually agreed with you moaners and said "this aint GNR" and aaaalll of that fucking bullshit, but we have been over this a zillion times since that time back in 98-2000 and we're over and done with it. We chose to stay and we chose to embrace it and like it. Others left after we propably told them a couple of hundred times to stop whining and leave.

We've come to know and love these new players. Robin Finck, Tommy, Dizzy and the rest of the guys. They have been in this band for a loooong time now. In a couple of years they will have been in this band longer than some of the old guys.

And please don't give us the shit about "the original band". I'm sure you can e-mail Tracii Guns or Rob Gardener and talk all you want about "the original band" with those guys.

Alright?

Thats because over 95% of the people here are happy that GnR are back. ?We r happy that we get to listen to them and see them in concert again. ?U already said u were not going to be a fan of this. ?Why should GnR go away because u dont like it compared to 88-93? ?The reason why I said it would suck to be u is because I am a long time fan similar to u but I still enjoy the band now. ?hows that a 3rd grade insult?

I don't often post on here but as an old fan from the start of GNR I get tired of hearing people slag of the new band when we have hardly heard any quality recordings from them and for the shows they have done so far this year I think they have done really well.This is not the old line up Axl isn't in his twenties anymore its never going to be the same but at least give them a fair chance to prove themselves,if all continues like last night I will be very happy to continue to call myself a GNR fan.

It's OK that you feel the way you do, dude. (Towards the original poster) If you feel the band can never be as good as it was, that means you have an opinion. I'm not agreeing on what you said, but people shouldn't rip on you because you want to express your views like America allows you to. Some people need to just grow up.

Amen on that, Sillybegger.
You have said it well.
Axl and the band gave a great show away and it was worth waiting for.
The band were in a good mood and loved the jokes Axl was making.
Everyone has their right on their own opinion.
I think if people are complaining about the voice of Axl or about playing the instruments, I will think to myself is about that person(s): "Can you do it better"? and if so "why aren't you in the spotlights with that song ". If your tape didn't came thru by the recordcompany, then shut the f.... up. If that person(s) can do it better then let it see or hear it, but when it comes to that point no one is there.If you can't do it better then GnR now, then f.... off .

Axl and Co it was f... awesome and go for it.
You need to have some fun in life so go ahead.

Mate I hear your point, but 'old GNR' has moved on so I'm sure the members would like the fans to move on too. ?As much as we all loved them there's no point wishing the old band was back, it's in the past.

Who said "take it for what it is"?

 :beer:

Your opinion is null and void, because you're basing opinions off of a crappy video you saw on the internet..

That UYI era link flat out sucks.  You can't base any comparison off of that crappy quality.

Nothing lasts forever ;D

I completely understand your point of view. Axl needs to release Chinese Democracy and tour behind it's songs before he can expect the general public to accept this band as GnR. This band will continue to be an Appetite for Destruction cover band until Chinese Democracy comes out. I'm a big fan of this band and I think Axl is shooting himself in the foot by touring again without an album. If he wants to succeed in North America, he needs to put an album out a couple of months before the tour starts. People need time to go out and buy the album and digest the music before they're going to spend $80 on a ticket for a show. Axl could pull off a theatre tour of North America, no problem, but embarking on another arena tour will be a disaster if the album hasn't been out for at least a couple of months.

Real GN'R fans? Your a fucking idiot. Thank you for your time.

 I see where the original Poster is coming from. This isn't the band he loved as a teen. There is Only one guy left! it's like the three stooges without Larry and Curly. Yeah.... Moe is still there, but he can't do it all on his own. They were all a team. Well the orginal team is gone. So people are going to be dissapointed. AXL is living off the name Guns n Roses. Unfortunately there are no more Guns left. Just One Rose.

Even though Axl sounds good these days, it doesn't change the fact that the original guys are missed by many out there. It's not the same band anymore.... and it never will be. It's more like a tribute Band who's been lucky enough to get the Actual Lead singer of the real band. So I can respect the people who hold this point of view. It makes sense to me.

 However on the other hand, Axl sounds good these days and there is No real reason for him to stop his career forever. He's still a young guy. Why retire if he's still got it in him to perform. He's just doing his own thing and I can respect that. before last nights show i had my doubts. I was even one of the people who thought he should just hang up his hat. But now I see different. The guy is still good. Even with that piece of shit Mix that was broadcast last night, Axl still shined. "Knockin on Heavens Door" almost brought a freaking tear to my eye. I don't even consider myself a big enough fan of the band for that to have ?happened. But it just sounded so totally awsome that it brought out some emotion!

 It showed me Axl is to good to quit. As long as he shows up for all his concerts and proves to be as stable as he's been so far this tour, I definitely think the New Guns n Roses can be a success.

i just watched ritz 88 and boy,,,... go figure

Adlers playing the damn songs way too fast there mate

Its hard to compare a show at the Ritz from 88 unless they played there now...That venue is small and cramped and even
the acoustics will be different.


I suspected all along that many will try to complain that Axl doesnt have it anymore.....His voice was always
far from perfect live.

People are gonna say they suck now because of this. When in reality they never really heard them from the old
days....Just point them to the bootlegs.

If the energy level has changed so much, why still all the potential for rioting?   Axl is & always was the heart and soul of this band.

after listening to rio, i found the new guns to have bad timing. they wernt crap but they didnt play them like the old gnr did  8) and the solos didnt sound to good.

axls voice however, i feel has gotten  much betterrecently  since his horrid vocals of the early 00's  : ok:

Axl has already said some people are not going to like the new music, and this band. Give them some credit. This group, really has only been jamming for the last couple of weeks. I guarantee once they get through the Summer tour they are going to be unstopable. I have also been a Guns fan, since the rise of Appetite, and I'm really liking the new stuff.

What I can say to those who are the anti- new Guns, just be thankful you were giving the chance to hear such great music, now let all of us who have supported the new band, enjoy the ride. Its gonna be fun  :beer:

ok ,now then im a huge fan of old gnr and now velvet revolver...but i am also a huge fan of new gnr.
its obvious axl isnt going to play all new songs hence the new album coming out-even tho every has views on that...ur welcome to it but i also say that if they cant play all new songs what is there left to play???
exactly the old songs that the band can play -and they can play them and good at that!!!
no its not slash or duff or matt but any1 who saw last nite-and again dont be oblivious to the fact that it was a really shitty mix because it was!!
if they were on a main tv station with everything done right then we would all see.

point 2....any1 ho saw last nite can no way say these guys are talentless -if you can play a guitar like that then ur welcome to your opinion but if you cant then???
again no its not slash but these guys put their own touch on it and while im on the point -slash n co had THAT sound and THAT was what got them where they are if they had a different sound then who knows ??

point 3
theres alot of people here ragin sayin "stop talkin bout the old members this is new gnr but you are the 1s contradicting yourselves by starting and participating in threads of"i miss buckethead" or stuff like that.
my outcome is ...
if you dont like the new stuff fine...no1 is forcing you to -just listen to the old stuff
to the people who diss old gnr -why do it? most of the new fans wernt even around to expereience slash n co and it wasnt all about the music -IT WAS PRESENCE!!!
What i will add is that what would you rather have axl or no axl-i no its a very borng musical world without his talent and im glad he is back and makin music.
peace.

if the new gnr line up doesnt get tighter they are going to get killed at donnington.

Aren't they tight enough?
They look close to me.  :-\

I saw all the NY shows, and the rio show last night.... and if you think that the new band sucks then go watch a 88 bootleg and cry to yourself....

But I can personally say the new band fucking owns. Robin is an amazing guitar player with some of the most interesting musical character i've ever heard. Richard is a fantanstic performer and extremely underated guitar player. Ron is super nice guy, good performer, and well his guitar work speaks for itself. Tommy is and has always been wicked.

Axl voice sounds better than it has in a very very long time, and the band looks hungry and ready to finally take the band to the next level.

I mean you may not agree with me, but don't try to generalize your view as a global one. I personally am compeltely satisified and excited about the current state of Guns n Roses.... if you don't like maybe the velvet revolver board is where you should post.

Personally i haven't heard slash play anything close to as great as the better or twat solo's since 91.

One cannot make a judgement from a monotone, three track, buffering, freeze frame feed on AOL.  Sorry, end of story.  This band live/in-person, is tenacious!  They have a more full sound than the old band live, and keep in mind on these horrible web-feeds, only the high pitch, which is one part of Axl's voice tone, is transmitted.  Live, his voice sounds whole, and the differnt pitches are heard well.  Again, this feed sucked balls and most of you coming here, using that as a proof source saying the new band is inferior, is ridiculous.  You must have been hurting, reading all the reviews raving for the New York shows, and then found a small opening and are now trying to exploit it.  In other words, you had your mind's made up prior to the performance. 

AOL feed was indiscernable, thus impossible to use as a judgement.  Find the cut of Finck and Fortus doing "Beautiful" from last night, which came through because it was three pieces, and tell me they can't play.

its a slow process aboot 13 yrs. This fall iit should happen though.

hehe i find this funny, i didnt use AOL, i dont even know how to use AOL let alone why would i want to purchase it.

it wasnt a direct live feed either.

plus by the audio recordings ive heard too from various people which wernt off aol, the band didnt sound very in time.