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the sound from the internet feed was "off the board", meaning, it wasn't what it REALLY sounded like in the crowd.

What we heard was the sound board mix.......you hear mostly vocals and non-amplified instruments, like drums, keys (vocals) etc....the guitars were low in the mix b/c they have STAGE VOLUME, while the keys, drums, vocals have little or no stage (keys) volume at all.

ive played shows where we got the audio "off the board", and compared to what people heard in the crowd, its totally different.

thats why the crowd sounded low.....

the only guitars u hear are very low rhythm guitars...sometimes the solo's pop thru the mix too much...

but again, what we heard was noa true representation of the real, total sound, and the crowd audio

How do you know?

b/c i have a ton of experience in this game.

Of course not. Just look (or listen) to the crowds reaction to Don't Cry when Bumblefoot played it on his solo. We could barely hear anything through the shitty broadcast, but the crowd was singing along and have fun..

Yes, because on the internet, everyone is an expert.

Its common sense. If its a soundboard recording you wont hear a whole lot of the crowd.

cheap setup's got what you are saying not Guns N' Roses  :peace:

yes, i do happen to be an expert in this field, thank you very much.
it was a Sound Board Broadcast, which just means we got a shitty sound, and a very twisted representation of what they relaly sounded like

Prove to me the crowd didn't hear the same thing.

I guess we'll have to wait for an audience recording to surface.

People AT THE SHOW said it sounded great.  I'll take their word for it.

AOL owes GNR a HUGE apology..........

all those who think that the sound we heard over the braod cast was how it sounded there are seriously delusional.

i agree with you 'cause i was having a heart attack during the show..i was so dissapointing i couldn't appreciate the show coz of the sound

its not AOL's fault....


its the publics ignorance of the facts, thats all. ive played shows that sounded shitty on the board mix, but everyone said it sounded awesome out in the crowd. the board mix is usually just un-amplified sounds, like keyboards, vocals, drums...


thats why we heard soooo much keyboard sounds....trust me, in the real mix, those sounds are way low....we weren't hearing ANY of the stage volume that the guitar amps push out...the corwd hears that though

Why don't you prove they heard the same thing?

Seriously dude, do you think either the crowd or the band would have stood for a concert that sounded as bad as the broadcast?

I wasn't there?

My problem is that this guy is saying "OH - IT DIDN'T SOUND THAT BAD AT THE SHOW!" without having gone himself.

if axl wants to go back and listen to the show to check it out, the last thing he would ask for would be the board mix if he wants to hear what the crowd heard....

however, if he wants to hear particular mistakes or small details, the board mix is good b/c it almost separates each instrument. you can really hear what pittman, for example, was playing by listening to the board mix

u DONT listen to the board mix for guitars......or crowd noise...the crowd always sounds dead on board mixes

The Rock in Rio 3 broadcast in 2002 was the same. Just a really shitty mix. I still think Axl's vocals sucked on 'Better' though.

W 23 AXL II is 100% on. I have done a bit of sound engineering in my time. The guys at the board are mixing to what they hear. So if the guitars sound good in person, that is that. Now they should have had a seperate feed for the broadcast that was mixed for that purpose but that is a bit of extra work.

exactly!

I am confident one of the downloading motherfuckers on this board will figure out a way to put up a d/l of this show with a proper sound mix real soon, to put this argument to bed.

But really, even now all people have to do is go to www.aol.com and listen to the last few songs, which were mixed just fine. You Could Be Mine, Patience, Nightrain, Paradise City.

And play it fucking loud!!!

I wish I can play the piano like dizzy   he sounds great for the long intro the "Blues"

this is not an argument......there is no doubt we heard a sound board mix....its 1000000% trust me on this.....we DID NOT hear what the crowd heard.....even when we thought it sounded better, like someone just said, that just means they turned the guitars up a bit on the board

No, I am agreeing with what you're saying. Live music needs to be mixed differently for TV or internet streams than for the crowd. Somebody definitely screwed up on this broadcast at certain times. Live streams should not be the straight soundboard feed. All I'm saying is that they got the mix right at certain times throughout the show (and definitely for the last 4-5 songs). I had it cranked, and the volume went down significantly when the fuckups happened with the mix. When it came back up to full volume it sounded great.

I'm quoting myself to prove how the crowd listened to a very different mix than we heard. Also, A LOT of people who was there said they could hear the whole band just fine.

OH MY FUCKING GOD

I've been saying it was a soundboard mix all fucking night and everyone was killing..

check my posts


Here is my FIRST POST:

"IS it just me or is the soundboard for Rio all fucked up....some songs you can barely hear Axl, other songs the guitars are overpowering everything and on the blues it was all SNARE drum, until the end when someone turned up Robins guitar for the solo and it was louder than everything....

I could barely hear Axl on Rocket Queen

what a bloody mess!  "

I was basically saying what this fucking guy said and everyone ripped me......

 This was a lot more than just a Bad Board Mix. Microphones were cutting out and Instruments were not even heard. Those are called TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES! This whole thing was just screwed up!

its ok man, now we all know it was sound board sound

truet me, it didnt sound AS BAD in the crowd.....they heard a fuller sound

Oh right, how come the darkness sounded fine then?

On the clips ive seen the sound was very bad.. I think if it was really that bad live Axl would have stopped the show.. :peace:

the darkness sounded good?

ha, well...the levels were fine with the darkness, very clear. As for the music they played..dont get me started ;D

The sound is a lot better on the replays for some reason, they did something and whatever it is it's good

Its a little better, but cmon. when you hear the pyros go off and it sounds like a wet paper bag you know there are technical difficulties.

Maybe the Darkness' soundboard sounded better because they have 4 musicians as oppose to GnR's 8.

I don't know anything about this kind of stuff, but it was obvious something was different. I could not hear the fans, could hear the bass guitar over Axl sometimes, Pitman over Axl sometimes, Axl only sometimes, guitar only........etc etc.

I'd tend to agree with the "off the board" post.

Oh my god...if people actually think that the show really sounded like the sound board they seriously need to go to a doctor or something..

so for all those who don't know this will they think the show sounded bad, as in the band??

What was the setlist, and rants changes etc?

Hopefully most people will be smart enough to figure out the deal.

listen the gnr forum fans will find the positives in the show either way, it's the world broadcast everyone is speaking of that might be different.. Regular people go by what they hear from their feed

Rebroadcast started now much better crowd sound now (german aol stream). You can hear now that the crowd went nuts.

but what about the guitars?

From what I can hear it's the same deal with the sound...can't hear much guitars..

Yep..definetely the same shit.

ok it was taken off the board.

now explain the constant fluctuating levels, and why all of a sudden you get massive boosts on some of the channels.

no half decent engineer would pull that shit. and they could have easily used the direct outs into another desk and had a mix for radio/tv.

It's anyones guess, but someone somewhere tries to fix the shit and doesnt get it right.

That was such a pain watchin that lastnite, I mean you could see bumblefoot playin but it was any1's guess what it sounded like!

I seriously think you guys just want to moan at anything. Whether it be, "not as good as the old band" , "uuurgh too much appetite", "noo twat" mwah mwah mwah...

Jesus, you all got a FREE good quality (video at least) stream of an amazing concert & Axl's voice was amazing!! Maybe you should be a bit grateful for even having the opportunity of seeing this! I'm certainly not a fan of AOL but without them you would of been typing over the internet waiting for someone there telling u the setlist.

Yes the audio mix was poor, but u could work out most of it & it was a great, great performance. Axl looked like he was having a great time & the band really gelled.

If you'd of paid for the performance, then yes by all means u have every right to bitch about the poor quality audio. But it was free, so QUIT BITCHING like a bunch of moaning school girls.

People are bitching because they were terrified that what they heard on the live broadcast was an accurate represenation of how GNR currently sounds live.

People can't be THAT dumb right?? Right??

They should get a grip then. If the sound quality was that poor live & Axl couldn't be heard, do you think he would of continued playing. I think we know by now old Uncle Ax would not of put up with this & lets just say get a bit upset ;)

Look, I'm as sceptical as the next person over NuGNR, but they all shone last night. I cannot wait until 2 weeks time to see them in the flesh again @ hammersmith!! How people can criticise the performance I really don't know!

Another point, we could see how upset he gets when he thinks the sounds not good enough. When the mike was cutting out during sweet child he was giving someone some evil stares!!!!!!!

If the vocal mix was poor throughout the night he would not of continued performing, thrown the mike down & had an almighty hissy fit.

Hey people. Now theres YCBM. In a few seconfds the sound will suddenly improve... as if they hit the right button.

I thought we cleared this up a few hours ago when I got back from the gig.

The sound was great there, it was fucked up for the internet.

Stop moaning.