Here Today... Gone To Hell!

IS it just me or is the soundboard for Rio all fucked up....some songs you can barely hear Axl, other songs the guitars are overpowering everything and on the blues it was all SNARE drum, until the end when someone turned up Robins guitar for the solo and it was louder than everything....

I could barely hear Axl on Rocket Queen

what a bloody mess!? ? :crying:

I know, that sucked. :(

Robin's solo in Nov. Rain was horrible.....what is going on?    Off night?

yea i noticed that too the guitars during betters bridge sucked but overall a good show

only the last few songs sounded great sb wise

No, No, No

Not a good show, ?definately not a good show...it was down right horrible....

UGHH...

I am not bashing the band. ?they are great, but RIO just plan sucked ass, this is the worse I have ever heard

some times you couldnt hear Bumblefoots guitar at all :'(

and I really wanted to strangle Chris Pitman, he was super loud ?:crying:

That was sure interesting!

Performance wise, Axl and co. gave 100%!

They all seemed to be really into it, especially with Nightrain and Paradise City.

SOUNDBOARD wise though, it was absolutley terrible.

Seriously, the way the sound-desk was managed tonight is a fire-able offence! VERY poor sound levelling on nearly all songs, bar the last few, to be honest.

But a brilliant performance, where (where i could hear it) Axl's voice is a world better again :)

Jonesy

dudes,every song sounded awsome.all you had to do was alter your pc speakers when the sound changed

Yeah the first few songs sounded good and so did the last few, but everythink in between was totally fucked up (by the mixer not the band)

IRS: you could barely hear Axl for any of it. SCOM: If you can hear the solo then you deserve a medal cos I couldn't hear shit.

In some songs I could literally hear Dizzy playing BONGOS louder then I could the guitars. And also what's with all the sound effects, you could barely hear any of the guitar work for half the songs (and thats saying somethink since there is 3 guitarists you would think we could hear one of them well)

Axls voice was either too quiet or too loud.

The band performed great but who ever was in charge of the sound needs firing.

And sadly, had the sound folks done their job right, the band would have sounded that much better.

I honestly wonder if the crowd was as dead as they seemed, or if that was the shitty sound as well.

Place your name on the list to start a petition :) haha!

Haha. You're so fucking wrong. I can't believe you're saying shit like this.

i thought the inly problem was with the soundboard. but hey stop bitching, it was a good show on the part of the band.

Yeah, ok.....

I dont think its Chris Pittman's fault.

Correct me if Im wrong, but dont off-stage technicians and engineers normally control the mixing? As far as I know, Pittman deals with the effects of the sounds during song. Err, right?

He wasn't even trying during BETTER...

this is the worst show EVER

what a fucking JOKE

I'm sure it was the shitty sound...Axl's vocals on Better weren't that good... :nervous:

wasn't it just the shitty internet feed that made it sound bad?  I'm sure it sounded good all the way through

Was it like that LIVE though?

Axl didn't react to it, even when his mic cut out completely. Neither did Ron Thal as he was silently (On the AOL stream anyway) busting out a solo. I think it may just have been in the stream, it will be interesting to hear the reaction of the people at the show.

The second half was amazing. November Rain was stunning, YCMB too. Big Kudos to Ron Thal for playing Don't Cry, the crowd loved that.

A FANTASTIC show.

I think it probably sounded different there? I mean, wouldnt Axl totally storm of stage if it was that bad on his end?

You could be right actually!

Ron seemed to be 'hearing' his solo, even though i definitley didn't
...

hmmm

i feel the need to pass blind blame!! hehe

Seriously though, it's someone's fault...

Yeah

i think the band themselves gave it a lot of effort and put on a great show.

But ARGGG the sound team :( disappointing to say the least

Maybe, I think he'd just stop and tell them to get it right. lol

I agree, I think it was just the AOL stream that sounded like ass.  I bet the show sounded great on their end.

can we expect good sound all the way through when we're able to download the show possibly?  maybe?  hopefully?

for gods sake it was the mix for the live stream that was shit!! If the mix was that bad at the show don't you think axl would have got it sorted?? He usually does.

I hope so

DID YOU TRY IT MUTHA FUKER.......NO


DID I........... YES


HOW DO YOU KNOW IT DIDNT HELP WITH THE SOUND? ? ? ?


I DID IT AND IT SOUNDED GREAT FOR ME  :yes:   :rant:   : ok:

No because it was a bad mix not bad quality. Unless you were at the concert I doubt you'll hear it any other way.

\Again, I am not listening on a fucking computer.....you can take you caps lock off too, that is retarded...

second I am listening on a home theatre through my XM Satellite Radio , which is picking up a feed from the SOUND BOARD,
and it isn;t like I am the only one on the board saying it sounded like shit,

you know it is ok to tell the truth, Axl won't hate you....maybe he'll even take a closer look at who runs the shows, because I was at the 17th gig and it rocked,  this was bad and it is ok to have a bad gig....

fucking shit dicks

You should listen to Rock in Rio III - the mix was fucked up, but tonight it was even worse.

Axl only hears the mix in his earpiece at half-volume so he can hear himself sing, he wouldn't be able to tell if something was wrong anyway.

the live stream doesn't ?remix the fucking audio it takes what it is given....

If what we heard was reality ..

All right, now I would really like to write a couple of things, I think this man deserves it.

This is probably one of the best Guns N' Roses concerts ever !
Problem was with vocal mix and mix in total. You could barely hear Axl for half of a concert and so and guitars.
I have the feeling they started it in the bad rhythm, don't think Axl was prepared to express him so much, but he was into tryin to do it, that's for sure.

Then, all get fucked with Robin's start Sweet child o'mine - too fast, without feeling.

Problem continued with some jerk who handles the mix, I would kill that guy, kinda like he was doing on purpose.
I think that Axl doesn't feel like he should be louder in the mix when he sings IRS - well, he should. For example, mixing war right on Better. His voice is great, but people need to hear it. That's why reactions were so bad. It' sthe same thing with TWAT! You can't hear him ! That's gotta be fixed.

Something else, what happend with the New York November Rain version - it's the best version ever, he needs to sing it with lower voice, more like a man. It sounds unbelieveble!

Richard and Robin's - Wonderfull, it's unbelieveble duo and guitar playing.

Last five songs, starting with You Colud Be Mine were perfect !Knockin on the heaven's door was AMAZING ! With so much feeling ! He did a great job with that one, too! But the crowd was already out of touch.

Also,I feel that paradise city version from New York 15.05 was better a little, but this one's great, too.

Everything about this concert, how it was concipiated, James Brown, funk part was absolutly awsome !
It was just bad luck with mixing !

Anybody that knows anything about music knows that this band can play whatever want, cause they are able to play it!

Hey, even Ron's Don't cry was great idea !

That's about it. And this is The TRUTH !

The sound mix on this was horrible, but I agree that I don't think the band members know it. ?If Axl knew that his mic cut out, I think he might of flipped out lol. ?I can't know that for sure, but past performace indicates it ;)

I think the sound at the show was awesome, but however it gets to the AOL stream, it didn't go right :( ?As someone said earlier, I could hear the freaking BONGOS louder than any guitar for one song. ?

Awesome performance otherwise though ?: ok:

Thank you,

Everyone is afraid to say how they feel, it SUCKED, it was worse the RIR 3, and the MTV VMA

not true, the mix was absolutely horrible.

Best Guns N' Roses concert ever?  Was it really?
Better than Paris Pay per View, better than Ritz 1988, better than any of the NY Shows this month

I don't know why the RIR sound guys suck balls.  I'd  trust half the htgth board on the sound board than their own sound guys

damn sound!!  >:( it was aweful  :no:

Yes, in total, it would be better concert if the mixing was right and he sang November Rain like he should.
Just started on the left foot a little bit, and mixing troubles. And November Rain thing. It' supposed to  be unbelieveble.

NO  According to MR. W AXL ROSE it was your speakers....  ALL of us had to adjust our speakers

stop with your negativity, the SHOW WAS AWESOME, BEST EVER,  THE SKY IS GREEN :rofl:

there are NO different mixes - it's just one final mix..and everyone uses this mix, like AOL or XM

so we wont be getting any better mixes - this is a sad day... >:(

 :rofl:
It would have been the BEST EVER if he sang the way he should, if the solo's weren;t off key, if he didn't run out of breathe, if he didn;t give up half way through Better...

UGHHH :hihi:

It was worst show i have ever seen. ?Axl voice sounds very well. ?Adler's Appetite> New G N'R

Why is everyone saying it was the best show ever? ?The show sucked....even the enrgy of it sucked, the set list sucked the 1,590 solo's sucked, Axl's obvious laziness during Better sucked,
Sad day in GNR land....I just hope no one else was watching ?:'(

well, what can I do when it's the truth

You have to realize he's singing with his 2001-2002 vocal technique again, but without the microphone amp he used in 2002.

So Axl sounds the same as he did at Rio in 2001 except when he sings certain parts like he did in the old days (the "don't forget to call my lawyers" part in YCBM, etc.). And since he's singing for the most part like he did at Rio in 2001 without an amp, you can barely hear him in the mix.

It's not the truth,  lie to yourself all you want but it is really not the truth, BEST GNR CONCERT EVER?
God you are ignorant

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

All I have to say is, there are some times when something is so blatant (such as how great this show was), that you can just laugh your ass off at a comment like that.

Good luck convincing people son. ?: ok:

@#$%Funker

i'm starting to think axl was drunk ?:hihi: why the hell did he speak like bart simpson ? :hihi:


 the sound was aweful but i don't know if it was because of ?the feed, the stream or it was really like that ?:-\

Did anyone notice Axl started singing Patience a little bit to early then caught himself?  :rofl:

The sound was very uneven, some songs great, others crapy. But the show ?was awesome. GNR IS BACK. Axl is energized and the band is excellent, better than '02.

It's a pitty cause he might give up after this and he was so fuckin close, guess you can't understand it ;)

Ok, read just about every other post on this board...

Didn't he have a bottle of wine in his hand right at the start of Welcome To The Jungle.



And as for the audio some of you need to remember, it was the mix that was bad not the quality. Doesnt matter where you get it from it's all going to sound messed up in parts.

And every non-fan I've talked to in the last hour said that performance sucked balls and they hope the band dies in a fire.

I agree with all of the above except the last part.

Really, ?then why did the darkness, shaquira, jamaroqui ?all sound fine?

The sound was REALLY REALLY bad for most of the show. I hope it was just on the internet feeds and not how the show sounded in person.  The shame is someone who doesn't know better might have tuned in and thought that thats how they really sound and that they are now a bongo and keyboard/synth band instead of a bad ass rock band.  The shit is going to hit the fan when Axl finds out what happened.  Really disappointing that we won't have a solid quaility boot of this.

love the new band though, Thal is really really good.  NR and night train again my fave tracks.

You mean every other post that, (apart from 2 or 3 posters on the whole board), seems to rate the show from anywhere between Good to Incredible.

I am actually enjoying reading those. Thanks for the tip. : ok:

@#$%Funker

It's amazing that we have a great majority of posts saying how much this show sucked and then we have 3 or 4 ass kissers that think if they speak bad about Axl he'll pull the plug.

 Saying this show sucked doesn't mean you hate the band, hate Axl etc....

The show sucked. PERIOD. ?

Ok, it was great show, WOW what a great fucking show,  HOLY SHIT Axl sounded great....

hey this lieing to yourself is actually fun

noooooooo your wrong,the sound guy sucked,not the show,grow up dude

The Soundboard mix SUCKED...The show was nice!! PERIOD

"Bostonrose" - you are an annoying little person.

You didn't like the show...? Ok, great. But stop repeating yourself 500 times in every thread. We get it, ok! ?::)

No you are an ass kissing ball licking moron

I've seen Guns N' Roses, old and new and this show was a fucking disgrace....

This is an internet forum where people express their OPINIONS.

Quit telling people they are only allowed to have your opinion.

Fucker.

trying to spread some truth....


Axl sounds like shit AGAIN!

Earlier today, there was a rumour on the board about how they were gonna cut the feed during the new songs. Has anyone talked about this?

I didn't see the whole show, because my connection kept cutting out, but I saw parts here and there along with the last 30 minutes or so, and it seems like the sound kept going in and out. At times it sounded perfect, then at other times it was like half the band was cut out of the mix. I missed IRS and TWAT, but I have heard people say the sound was bad on both. I did see Better though and I can say the sound went bad about 5 minutes before Better started, and came back about 5 minutes after it ended. If this happened with the other new songs, I wonder if somebody did it on purpose to distort the new songs, as mentioned earlier today.

Bottom line, the reason people are arguing is because parts of the time the sound was terrible, and during the parts where it was fine the band was fucking awesome and rocking out. This was a great show folks. Hopefully someone will come up with the full mix for the whole show to prove it. But it is true that at times Axl's voice was too low, at times it was too high, at times the guitars were too high and at times they couldn't be heard at all. Overall a ridiculous mix and someone should be fired for it.

I am almost certain these problems only occurred with the internet sound mix, and not the live mix. Everyone on stage acted like everything was fine the whole show.

Oh, shut up!

Please, go away.

Yeah, he looked embarrassed. God, he's been singing the song for 20 years, you think he would know it.

He forgot the lyrics in 2002 at Detroit and cancelled the rest of the show after the mishap.

Real intelligent, I give up. I can't be bothered.

Anybody who wants to argue with this guy, be my guest, but I wouldn't bother if I were you.

@#$%Funker

The Show sucked, you get that one right !
It was not about performance, it was about mix, that one you just can't get ;)

Agreed. If it sounded like that at the show, Axl would have left after one song.

It was just the shitty AOL stream. We will get a better sounding bootleg.

dude,how can u not understand that when the sound guy got things right,Axl sounded great along with the rest of the band,but when he got it wrong things sounded shitty.most poeple understand that except yourself!

and as for the ass kissing ball licking moron,ill repeat my first qoute......GROW UP ?:rant:

What happened to me? I sat and watched the whole thing and did not see TWAT or Don't Cry. WTF? How can that be? I saw IRS and was not impressed. Not ?a concert song. Better was excellent IMO.

That's not an excuse - Axl still sounded terrible regardless of how loud he was.

And you know you are on your way to get banned...?

i agree ..maybe it was a conspiracy to boycot gnr performance tonight ?:o i hope the mix of the sound in rio was fine cause i also thought why axl didn't do something?, they kept playing as if everything was ok and i find that very weird. :-\

Hey, Dave :)
To be truthfull, he often sounded terrible in 90-ies too ?

There is one really fucking annoying motherfucking in this thread, and you know who the fuck you are.  You get your point across, let it go. 

Last four songs sounded awsome, I didn't see the rest.

No - he sounded good compared to this.

you are in tittle for your opinion, but I I think this concert could have been what the band needed if the mixing was ok
It would be pretty decent and unique

With a rock concert...?  :confused:

LOL, or one fucker who wouldnt stop till everyone thought like him.

you're a sad, sad person. nothing more than a pathetic hater. :no:

on a more important note:
was the poor sound on certain songs due to the live feed mixing or the sound guys on stage fucking up?

Are people deaf?

Axl was tip-top tonight. He was doing things with his voice that he never user to do back then and it sounded great.

Notes sounded clean, strong. Used his voice well.

My girlfriend hasn't seen Axl perform for a while, and all she could say was, "wow, he can really sing can't he? What an amazing voice."

@#$%Funker

it might have been a bad mix,but the show kicked ass and I watched online  :beer:

yes, he had some great moments

What sucked was the loose connections. Period.

But beggars can't be choosers.

Can someone upload some of the stuff from the show, maybe the James Brown bit, and YCBM?

sound guys, thats's what caused bad audience reaction

then what's up with people talking about a better mix being shown now?
i fucking hate those soundguys, they must be after axl or something. every time he performs at rock in rio (yes, every single time) the sound fucks up and the other artists get away clean. :no: :rant:

It was amazing. who'd imagine the song could be interpreted that way.

Over in the Rio thread, a poster named February said that the sound there was amazing, so apparently the mix on AOL was messed up. 

Someone should be fired for that, as about 10 other people have said  :yes:

Watching now ... a fucking GUITAR based band, and most of the sound is fucking keyboards!

Finck needs to stop being to fancy ... he's hitting SO many bad notes! :S

NO it's not,   NO NO NO  it is the best ever  this is the best GNR has ever sounded.... :rofl:

No  no he is not  he is 100 times better than Slash  :rofl:

some people are never happy... :no:

I can hear that they didnt play to bad ... it's just bad sound on AOL I think ... except Finck... Axl's ... well, Axl. .. :P lol

What the fUCK do you mean by that?  He IS making musical errors... big ones.  So what's the prob?  I'm not in the wrong for it !!! LOL!  You nutswinger.

right... ::)
don't get your panties in a bunch now, it's the internet... :nervous:

No, seriously ... what did you mean??

If you say anything negative  you will get killed,   People on this board have blinders on....

The band can DO NO WRONG

My girlfriend just had a read today and was shocked at how much people are blind on these boards ... I'm totally non-bias.... I love old and new in diff ways ... the new songs are  great ,... but critisism where it's due!

Lucky about the sound dieing ... did during Robin's butchery of Slash's beautiful SCOM solo :)

Dude, I agree,  but if you say something negative  it gets twisted and then they turn on you and it becomes like a personal thing like you killed someone grandmother...

You are right, Finck hits the wrong note all the time,  in Nov. Rain solo he totally screwed it up, but if you mention that everyone jumps on you 

who gives a fuck about what your girlfriend thinks!?
fuck her. ::)
besides, some people are actually happy to have seen their favourite band close a big festival night, it's haters like you two who bring negativity to fans that have waited a longlong time for this. piss off. :drool:

Dude,  I am a bigger Guns N' Roses fan than anyone else on this board,   the only difference is I can admit when something sucked...

A REAL fan will do that...

A real fan will say,  "hey that sucked"   

But I stated CLEARLY for people who can READ ... that I love both the old and new ... I'm going to fucking see Guns N' Roses at Download you fucking muppet ... I love GnR that much I bought 5 people Download tickets to come with me!!!

So shut your ass if you can't read and stop attacking me!

You're a blind fucker who needs to open his eyes and allow some critisism ... you'll lead a very bad life if you can't accept it ... one day someone will take offence to your arrogance and smack your head in.

Just shut up you fucking loser. People dont agree with your opinion - you dont have to ruin this thread by having your opinion posted repeatedly in every second post of it.

Grow up.

and i'm past the point of caring what losers on the internet try to determine about being a gnr fan, there's nothing your stupid ass can ever say to affect me so get your angry self infront of a bus. ;D

I agree with his opinion ... because he's talking sense... he's not slagging the band and saying they suck ... he's just saying that on this occassion they weren't up to standard!  What the HELL is wrong with you people?! :|

Anyways ... I am getting annoyed with the lack of sync on this AOL !  Video and Audio is out :( Dang

Thank you

get a room. ::)

Bumblerocks ... you're severely dissillusioned... please go seek psychiatric help.

I would but  all you other GNR BLIND FANS  have them all booked    : ok:

awesome comeback. ::)
too bad your night sucked, i'm going to bed, good night! ;D

My night didn't suck,  I have a life,   I don't let GNR be the guidance for my feelings

look the band sucked today . But that isn't what is upsetting me that much ?, what is upsetting me is that they were better at rock in rio 3. ? Axl sounds better now than he did in 02 ?but sadly ?the band doesn't for the exception of Richard Fortus who kicks ass. ? Why is it that this band always fuck up when they are on the main stage. ?They sucked at the VMA's ?and now they suck at rio ( where people are watching all over the world). ?I'm sad to say it but this band has become the New York Knicks of rock, ?they can't seem to ever get anything right. ? People say the mixes were bad ?on aol ?but please explain to me why they weren't bad for The Darkness . ?I don't think AOL has a vendetta against GNR. ? Sound crew is part of the band ?if they fuck up ?there is nobody to blame but the band itself. ? No excuse for this happening to a band of GNR magnitude. ?Do you think this shit would happen to Queen or U2 ?of course not because they are professional ?and know hwat they are doing. ?I was so pumped up for this show because I thought Axl and company were going to kick major ass and prove the doubters wrong. ?All they did was add fuel to the fire. ?The Darkness sounded much better than GNR tonight ?and that is a disgrace. ? I just hope Axl doesn't freak out and cancels the tour. ?I hope he has his therapist with him because if he gets the chance of watching this show on TV ?he is going to lose his mind and fire his entire crew .

Good, I hope you never wake up :D

i wish you and your girlfriend the same. ;)

Go to bed little boy ... Your sister is calling you ;)

Can someone tell me what guitar effect is being used on Rocket Queen because it is ALL I CAN FUCKING HEAR....

ANYWAYS ::)  The problem I had, and I'm sure the rest of you had the same problem, was that at certain parts, either the guitars were turned down, or Axl couldn't be heard.  Now, I'm wondering, was it just for the internet audience who had it this way, or was it the same for the RIO crowd.  Maybe they heard a perfect mix?

I thought the NR solos were high moments of the show. But I'm not sure the players in the band could hear themselves or each other too well.

I aint got that far yet ...

does anyone else think this whole show belongs in vegas?  :(

I can't wait til Velvet Revolver tour :D

NO, It is all AOL's fault....you need to adjust your speakers, ?or buy a pair of headphones, or just make pretend it sounded GREAT

surely you can see that the sound guys fuked up here,and the band sounded as good as they have for a while.im not being biased but it pretty obvious to everyone isnt it? ? ?

When you do, can you post and let me know if you think the guitar is WAY TOO LOUD, and it sucks too...

Generally the band were ok ...

What the FUCK is this stupid blues/jazz jam they're doing?!!!!!  WTF happened to GnR :(

Someone who was actually AT THE SHOW says that the sound was great there. ?I truly believe that the mix we got was bad, but the band sounded good. ?

Again that is MY OPINION. ?They are like assholes, everyone has one ;D

it's called evolving and growing, you should try it sometime... ;)

wasn't your bedtime like 20 minutes ago?

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!??? WHAT!??  HAHAHAHAHA... you moron!  That's called being up your own ass... it sounds tacky and cheesy ... I think GnR will be boo'd at Download ... I'm ACTUALLY scared for my favorite band (well... the remains)...

:(  This sucks!

And btw, Chris Pitman should be fired.

Axl had a bottle of something on stage. The shit show was do to a shitty audio mix. AND axl was great on some songs and tired on others. And i think the band wastes alot of time on solos and need to play more songs.

The sound was amazing, the band rocked and Chris Pittman did his job great.

Locked.