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which was the better show? i say RIR5 all the way!!! awesome stuff!!! ;D

RIR5 gets the vote  : ok:

Obviously RIR5..

RIR5

Although it was pretty short, the band was much tighter and Axl was incredible tonight, RIR5 all the way!

Do you people smoke crack? ?I am in utter disbelief and shock at how fucking bad that show was........

I want to puke

RIR5 ofcourse

Keep listening to it on your headphones and AOL.

Rio 3

Your IP is the same as Swingtraders :yes:

I am listening to it through a soundboard feed on XM Satellite Radio

stop making excuses

Neither were the best they have ever played, but I bet everyone and their brother would have booed someone out of the building if they told you in 2001 the only difference in the setlists between 2001 and 2006 was like 2 songs. Pretty sad when you think after 5 years all we have to show for the time is the few new ones we have. I really hope CD is on the horizon, because this was the absolute last time they can play this type of festival and just rehash what's already been done to this extent.

who??

Rock In Rio 5, no question about it.

the only thing that stood out for me was the November Rain solo in rir3.. god i hated robin for that.. though i miss it..

RIR5 owned... even though the sound mixing was horrible, it was amazing...

holy shit.

RIR5 was pretty intense

YCBM solo was in a word blistering.

Out ta get me sounded fucking powerful as hell....

jeezus christ.....Nighttrain just reaffirmed my belief in this band as an entity separate from the orig GNR.

Bumble was nothing short of ungoddamned real on that song.....and axl sounded almost as good as I've ever heard.



not to say there weren't some soft spots.

but GNR definitely kicked ass.

Funny I didn't know it was an excuse. Just sounds like sour grapes, and you're so biased against it, you can't even think clearly. Even though it didn't sound the best.

I thought it was the weakest performance I've seen from the new band so far (and I've been to 4 shows and listened to every bootleg). A couple songs sounded great, Nightrain especially, but Axl is sounding just like he did in 2002, and some songs, like Better, had absolutely terrible vocals. I'm not just talking about the mixing problems either. Also, this is probably the shortest set the new band has played aside from the acoustic gig, is it not? The solos all sounded fine, but having every member of the band perform a solo is fucking boring. Especially when you're cutting a whole bunch of songs out of the set!

Easy. Robin's better by a mile now, Fortus is way more accustomed performer than Paul Huge and Ron Thal is - how should I say - a better fit than Bucket. This version of the band looks, sounds and feels tight. Those jams were great.

Most of all, Axl felt most assured on his group and himself than in RIR3. Noticed the bottle? That's an entrance for you, a joyous low-key rock star detail.

Welcome back, Rock Star.  : ok:

I don't know. I think the solos differentiate it from RIR3. Otherwise it'd be basically the same. I just can't wait till CD comes out so they can play new songs live.

RIR 3.
It might not mean a lot to you guys, but for us, it means a helluva lot. Robin sang a brazilian song, the Carnival thingy (it sucked, but Axl did try.......), Beta's translations and all.

The crowd was absofuckinlutely dead in Lisbon!

Dude, ? you even admitted yourself that the sound of the show sucked, and then you tell me I am listening to it on AOL on headphones and you have no clue, ?I have over $1,500 dollars invested in my home theatre sound system so fuck off with you headphone bullshit....
Admit the truth it sounded like shit....

the band has grown, they know each other and they have great chemistry. and they just sound better now

rir5 was historic!

The difference between RIR 3 and RIR 5 is that they played way more songs last time and even debuted a new one (Madagascar), so basically we've traded a few new tracks for a few guitar/drum solos. Playing the same festival again without putting out new material was kind of retarded.

 :rofl: :rofl:

Some people  ::)

@#$%Funker

yeah, i agree with mandy. she is right. rir3 was the best for me. i went to the show and axl was more talkative. Brazilians homages are unforgettable so.. sorry guys, point for rir3 : ok:

The last four songs owned. Axl sounded great and by then the mixing was fixed.  RIR 5.  I'm yet to listen to the whole thing.

RIR3 Had more hype but RIR 5 had better rasp.

Ha. Stupid question.

RIR5 by a long way. If you can't tell how much better this band is now than back then, you are an ass.

If it wasn't for the worst sound mix EVER, this show would have been phenomenal.

Dude the crowd was standing around during night train.... :no:

The band might have been a whole lot better, but they only played 3 songs that werent played 5 years ago.

It was a festival. It was 2am. These people have been awake on their feet for probably nearly 20 hours. And you want them to start mosh pits...? Gimme a break.

Do you remember Rock in Rio 3?

Yeah I do.

And if we are talking about "Nightrain" then tonights version sounded about one million times better than it did then. If the crowd didn't appreciate this then thats their problem! I appreciated it.

Too much olive on their heads :P
That crowd didn't deserve a GnR gig what a bunch of fuckin wankers
didnt even chant for Paradise City

yes, i was there and i couldnt stop jumping :peace:
i remember i yelled a lot too and on the day after i had no voice : ok:

Are we changing the subject? Because I thought we were talking about the crowd here.......
I wasn't comparing the versions, but the crowd in RIR 3 and RIR 5. I mean, it's not even fair to compare them, because RIR 5 was absolutely dead.

Agreed. And Nightrain was just plain awesome.

Stop being so pretentious. You were NOT there. You watched a fuzzy feed on your computer screen, listening to a shitty mix.

Just because the crowd were not moshing around like freakin' cavemen doesn't mean they did not enjoy it. And judging by the ovation GNR got, the crowd tonight loved every minute.

I'd love to know how you evaluate the reaction of the crowd from that web cast.

You could hardly hear due to the mix for a start. You can tell this because when it was there turn to sing, the crowd volume seemed to suddenly be pushed up in the mix and you could hear them loud and clear.

I couldn't see fuck all of how the crowd were enjoying it.

@#$%Funker

By moshing around like freakin' cavemen u mean tryin to be a dick and succeeding in it ?

I know I wasn't there.... Funny, cos neither were you!
They enjoyed it? Cool, never said they didn't. Yet, they were dead compared to RIR 3.

I'm not evaluating ANYTHING, nor I'm judging the crowd. I'm just making a comparison. Geez.

OMG it took me 20 hours to get here OG OG  GnR gig
It was sooo harrrrd but I did it !!!
Nap time wake me up when the show's over
That sounds reasonable

I drove from Boston to New York at 3am on may 17th, Axl got on stage around 1130?  you're right I just stood there....really I enjoyed it but I just stood there...

the RIR5 crowd was dead, 

and not everyone has a shitt computer screen

I sleept outside the RIR3 2 days
I heard the REM, Foo Fighters from outside...
9:00 am we already in line... we got in inside around 1:00 pm ... since then I think I just "relax" on the ground for 45 minutes till the end of the show... (they started to play in 1:00 am from the next day If I?m not wrong)... and I did jump and scream the whole show ...? :hihi: :beer:

now that's being a fan! ;D

I am amazed that anyone can say anything other than RIR5. This band rocks!
And btw, I have defended the old band forever, but this new band, wow. I am  impressed!

glad to see it! :beer:

 :beer:

but the GNR at RIR5 was FANTASTIC, a KICK IN THE NUTS TO ALL THE HATERS!! Someone starts to upload some videos from the show and let?s spread to all the people see how much Axl and GNR are huge!

This thread should be locked ... I've posted.

absolutely, this is the start of something amazing that we have all seen the build-up too and it will soon take over the world as the greatest band to ever grace this planet, mark my words! :beer:

They already did that in the early 90's mate ... you probably weren't alive back then.

They wont do it now.  Different times... the old songs were better...

Not as many people give a fuck now.

i was a fan then and i will always be a fan, unlike your hating ass! :-\

Go to bed ...

The crowd was great.

I was there. I don?t get how you can judge a crowd from a webcast...

.....especially a web cast where the sound was clearly not right.  I honestly don't know how us internet viewers can say the show was good OR bad...we really didn't hear it the way those in attendance did.  everysong up through NR was messed up due to the poor sound on the stream.  They did finish up strong though when the web stream FINALLY got fixed.  Really a shame that some people might think thats how they really sound when you see them live.  I'd be really really pissed if I was a member of the band right now.

For the last time......AOL did not screw up the show......if they did  every other band would sound like shit.

The darkness sounded like shit to me when I was listening.  Dude, give it up, you're boring as hell.

Do you HONESTLY mean to tell me that GNR deliberately put Dizzys bongos and Pittmans synths on a higher volume then the rest of the band?  How dumb are you?  Really.

Overall... RIR3 for all the reasons Mandy mentioned... for us brazilians that show was a very special one...


RIR5 for Axl's vocals though.

And looks...

I understand, BUT I WAS THERE AND YOU WERE WATCHING A WEBCAST.

So take it for what it?s worth (to you), but their sound was awesome.

So BostonRose, here you have an eyewitness acount of the show/sound and you STILL want to insist it wasn't the stream but the actual sound of the show?  I agree, it didn't sound good on the webcast at all for most of the show, but if you REALLY think it wasn't AOL and thats how it sounded live, even after Christos is saying HE WAS THERE and the sound was great, then you are just spouting nonsense and are obviously one of those people who just wants to see Axl and the new guys fail.

For Chrissake, it is all relative. Is there any more to discuss?

Do you really think you are going to convince anybody is sucked?

Ok,  I stand corrected the sound at the show was great, I still didn't like the show  minus the sound
I though it lacked energy, creativity (lack of a new set list), and bad solo's from Robin,.

I didn;t drive 4 hours to New York on the 17th to see them fail

you clearly lack a proper brain or something, stop your hating before you die of a heart attack you pathetic little fuck.

If I were to call you a nasty name I get banned, but you are kissing Axl's behind so it is ok to insult.....

Seriously, at least watch some clips of the show once they're available with a proper audio mix, and if you still hate it then at least you will be posting an honest thought, unlike this nonsense you keep repeating tonight. Anyone else on Earth who listened to that broadcast will tell you there were problems with the audio mix.

Listen to the clip of "Better" that was posted, and tell me if you can hear the guitars or Axl. You can barely hear Axl, and the guitars are virtually inaudible. Everything is drowned out by the keyboards. But you would at least agree there were 3 guitarists playing, right? Then watch or listen to You Could Be Mine which was mixed properly, really fucking loud.

Welcome to the jungle at rio 3 was pretty incredible, madagascar made me fall in love with the new band, Rio 3 was very special.

Ive only heard Better and BBF's Dont Cry solo

A poor mix, BBFs solo was very Hendrixy and quite tasteful (the earlier part of it is a mess)

I still prefer BH.

Axl sounded like live Axl of late, slightley better than 02, more rasp, but in fairness, still fairly choppy stuff

Go puke and maybe it'd free the board up from your neagativity of this band!
RIR5 without a doubt, RIR3 it was great to have them back performing, but RIR5 they sounded amazing, and are really starting to mesh!

I saw it on the webcast and think it was pretty good...

But im looking forward to listen to some bootlegs from people who record this concert from the television...

I cant say which performing who was the best before i have heard more...

RIR3 on Axl's speeches alone and the kick ass Madagascar version. this show would've been better than TWAT and Madagas been played

I think they ran out of time, and were told to stop. Paradise City seemed to come on too abruptly.
Now they're showing the darkness again, the sound is also totally butchered there, really no good job from AOL.

guys i was at the concert and watching the recording now, seems like a different show! the band sounded great! and Axl's Voice was amazing, everyone there was so into it and really surprised by how good it was! the mix on the stream and on TV was awful god knows why, but the concert was much better that RIR3, it was possibly their besst show ever. it's just hard to see that if u'r only basing your opinions on that shitty recording they did.

Ok... yes, sound wise, I agree, that was 90% AOL's fault ... but you KNOW and you MUST ADMIT, that Robin butchered some long loved solo's ... no... he didn't change or improvise... that's ok, sometimes he tried to... but what I'm talking about is when he went off key, and hit the wrong notes, TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME...

Then Richard Fortus, the primarily Rhythm Guitar player, comes on stage, does a solo spot... and wipes EVERY fucking note of Robin's guitar playing, on the floor...  why the FUCK is Bumblefoot there... and why the fuck is Robin lead?

I'm a guitar player ... I can tell you now, based on what I saw of Richard's solo peice... he can shred .. and I mean SHRED... he is easily able to pull of the fast lines BH used to (BH is in fact, actually pretty slow compared to someone like ... oh, say, Herman Lee from Dragonforce)....

and Richard is a soulful player if he wants to be ... so Robin and Bumblefoot are useless in the roles they're in.

Richard needs to get more of a look in ...

I tell you what I think happened....  Robin was in the band ... as lead.  Richard joins a few years later ... he's MUCH better than Robin, but Axl, being friends with Robin, hasn't the heart to tell him that he's relegated to rhythm duties.  So that's how it is. :)  Slash at 19 years old was a better player than Robin.  That's FACT.  We need Richard to take the lead.

it`s your opinion.....

let axl decide on who`s taking the lead and whatever :hihi:

the solos robin wrote himself are simply AWESOME. bumblefoot kicked the shit out of nightrain and you could be mine, i think he`s a great guitarist. richard should play more lead though. his little shred solo really showed what the guy`s able to do : ok:

Speaking for yourself dude, We don't need anything.

Some people will never be happy.  ::)

@#$%Funker

glad to hear it sounded awesome in the crowd, i enjoyed the show very much from the live feed as well. :beer:
quick question: if the sound from the live stream was bad at times, will the dvd be better? ???

Is there gonna be a DVD?

i mean the ones people make which are TV recordings and not internet stream. : ok:

Ohh! lol
Ok. Thanks  : ok:

it was the same show... same songs.. almost the same order... same open with WTTJ.. Close with PC... blues, NR... same show.. same shit.. nothing new or different...

For me, RIR5 was much better. Paradise City was the best performance of the night. What a performace that was!!! You Could Be Mine was great too. The only thing is that Chinese Democracy and Madagascar weren't played and there's too many solos for my liking. :(  But overall RIR5 was fantastic!!!! :beer:

Oh, was it?
Glad to know  :beer:

Didn't pay much attention to Paradise City, I was too busy whining because they didn't play TWAT and Chinese Democracy.

yeah, but the hardcore "17" year old fans ?would take Finck over slash anyday..

you are negative, ?this band will TAKE THE WORLD BY STORM, GNR ARE BACK AND BETTER THAN EVER...

I wrote that in all caps to prove I was really pumped up ?:rofl:

people are getting so critical

and they tend to forget that a show is NOT only about the technical quality, the sound, the way axl sounded ... it's a package
the stage, the lights, the outfits, the "fact that they played"
it's the patience
the wait
the fact that people all over the world were online watchin it
the fact that we were waiting, and it was exciting

people need to stop complaining like bitches.
enjoy.

Oh yeah, Paradise City was really good. :yes:

it's so easy, easy haha

RIR5

I want to see video evidence of this killer version of Nightrain. Want to compare it to the version played at RIR3 when Buckethead did some amazing stuff on the track and brought some respect to himself from the fans.

Maybe Nightrain just so happens to be one of the few old GnR tracks that lends it'self to the art of shredding  : ok:

yeah upload the video to youtube, i wanna show it to my family! ;D i saw the show on live stream last night though, and trust me, as hard as it may be to believe, this new version of nightrain with bumblefoot actually surpasses what buckethead did at rio! : ok:

Here's RIR3 Night Train (for all those that missed it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHcLJ2A1QHM&search=guns%20roses%20night%20train
check out Buckethead's efforts  : ok:

there?s only one thing on which RiR3 was better than RiR5.....   


.... Axl?s hair. :rofl:

Watch Brain. He was a big nobody back then.

Now he's all skilled and everything.

lmfao, brain's been one of the best drummers around for years, get a clue... ::)

Maybe, but he wasn't really good in RIR 3.
He was awful during You Could Be Mine. Yesterday You Could Be Mine blew me away.

Perhaps they should've rehearsed more for RIR 3.

RIR5, TOTALLY!

I agreed with this for a second when i read it but then I thought like hell - if i could write 2-3 songs that were as cool as the new songs in 5 years - i'd be happy with myself!! LOL maybe i just hate my own creative works too much LOL.

I agree the wait is tough for us fans - but i'm glad the new stuff has been good. I'd rather wait 10 years for the best stuff than get a crappy album that wasn't ready or had weak songs. And all the more so given the lineup change and everything.

Anyway - I too hope CD will come soon - but I disagree that GNR *have* to release it or be unable to tour. I think its just the perception would change. You know - like if they release CD then do tours then do another album then their like an active modern band. If they just tour the old stuff endlessly then i think they'd move onto being seen as more of a classic rock act. I'm not sure but i'd say bands like Ac/Dc and Rolling Stones are capiable of touring without new material - as people expect the show to be filled up with the classics. GNR have so many long songs, and enough well known stuff, that they could easily just resurface every few years - pull off a classic hits fest then vanish. It would be odd given its not the band that performed on those albums, but its possible.

thankfully, I dont think axl has the intention of doing that, from what i've gahered of his artistic nature from interviews, it would seem he is all about the new works, and about keeping things "real" and "authentic" for want of a better term. Like i can't see him wanting to turn GNR into that.

From what i've seen it looks like RIR5 is cool - but the mix is fucked. We need the RIR3 quality mix on the RIR5 show! LOL

Rio '06 was way better than Rio '01.

I think thats true, i'm told the outro is very modal - and shredding is all about the modes right? or not. Theory aint my thing.

Let me see ...

Rock in Rio 3 was one of the most important Guns N' Roses shows. It was the return of GN'R !! There were 200.000 in the crowd, including myself! It was incredible ...

Rock in Rio 5... the band sounds better ... Axl sounds better ... we have new songs ... but no "new old" songs ... it was a great show, but the set was too short... No Madagascar, TWAT, Chinese Democracy, My Michelle, or Think About You ?? Come on!! One of them please!! And at the begginig i thought i was at a Rick Wakeman show ... i could only hear the keybords !! Ok, RIR3 had a bad sound, but at least i could hear the solos ...

My final opinion: Rio 3 ... but this one was really great too ...

Madagascar and There was a Time should have had priority over Knocking on Heavens Door and Patience (2 GnR songs i'd like to see dropped for good  ;D )

The set was simply cut short due to time constraints.? If you listen carefully to the comments made before "Paradise City", Dizzy is instructed to play "PC".? He, obviously, was preparing to play something else.? More than likely it would have been "Madagascar", since it begins with keyboards.? And I doubt they were planning to whip out "Silkworms" or "My World".? ?:P

At any rate . . . RIR5 > RIR3.? Axl--hair and all--looked and sounded much better.

How can you judge a show from watching it on the damn internet? RIR5!

Can't you judge a show from wattching it on the internet?
Come on ...
The only thing you can't judge is the crowd's vibration, the energy of the band, the quality of the "public adress" sound ... i stick to my opinion ... and it includes saying last night show fkn ruled !!