Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Tickets will be on sale on March 29.

Venue is an open-air auditorium with 13,000 capacity.

Board members attending : Cocaine__tongue, Christos AG, cyllan, dizzzyvamp, grabaraxl, Ignatius, MeanBone

i'm goin : ok:

I'm going too but where do we buy the tickets from?

I don't wanna be the last to know. Can anyone provide a link?

Cause I have to buy 5 tickets...

I'm definitely going!

Ok, this is where we'll be able to buy tickets from:

http://www.gamerco.com/gamerco/index.cfm

http://www.serviticket.es

http://www.halconviajes.com/viajes/servlet/ticket?method=inicio&login=HALCON


I'll post here again to confirm on the 29th.

Hopefully they'll have other ways of sending the tickets cause I can't pay 37 euros for a courrier...

We can wait a few days and see...if that's the only option and since I'll be going to the show, I could hand the tickets to you on may 28th you or mail them to you once we buy them. You could purchase the tickets with you credit card and ship them to my address.

I don't know if tickets will be limited to 6 tickets max per credit card holder.

That's a nice idea. PM'd...

Christos? how are you gone do that from liboa to Madrid? let us know please

Well, I found a plane ticket from Lisbon to Madrid that costs 110 euros (Vueling, cheap airline but with new planes) with return. I believe that if you search a bit more, you can find cheaper tickets.

I changed the return ticket from Lisbon to Greece a day later.

That's all basically.  ;D

Apperantly, tickets for the Madrid show will now go on sale on March 30th (Thursday).

http://www.gamerco.com/trouble/index.cfm?fuseaction=noticia&id_noticia=94

Tickets are on sale right now.

Ignatius, the difference for the courrier was 15-16 euros, so minus the cost of a registered letter to Greece it would be something like 9-10 euros.

I thought that it was too small of a difference to put you in trouble so I ordered them straight to Greece.

Thanks for the offer though and I hope we'll meet at the gig...  :beer:

christos, where did you buy them?
i'm trying on servicaixa, but they aren't accepting any of my visa cards.

www.gamerco.com

Guys, you better hurry up.

Bought three seat tickets. :yes: : ok:

The best ones (the ones by the stage) were gone within 20 minutes. It's amazing how fast ticks are selling considering:

1.- The price. I paid 153? por 3 tickets.

2.- Te inactivity. GNR has been forever inactive.

3.- Biggest music festival in Madrid is also that weekend.

I can't believe Im goint to another GNR show after all these years. This will be my 3rd.

Christos, no prob dude. Glad to see you got tickets too. Yeah, c-ya at the gig. I'd probably be wearing my HTGTH shirt...but more on that in a few months!.

I'm so fucking Thrilled!

Damn, do you think it will sell out?

It's gonna be one hell of a show.

The 5 of us will be wearing black t-shirts with the GUNSNROSES.GR logo and something on the back, which I haven't thought of yet...

I think it will. I thought there was no way but I went to my local  Halcon Tickets shop and the best seats were already taken.

MTV Spain has some kinda contest here too, so they are promoting well. It will sell out.

thanks christos, just got 4 tickets there for me, mean bone, louren?o from gnrsucks.com and juani from 200 intentions (he's coming from argentina).

Great.

Looks like we'll have lots of fun that weekend.


Great, promotion starts now...  ;D

a friend of mine who's also coming, lives in madrid and said the promoters could change the venue to the national stadium if there was enough demand for the gig.

i'm actually hopping they stay in that arena since, it would be cool to see gn'r in a medium sized arena for once. the day before is rock in rio and that's gonne be massive!

Has anyone received their tickets yet?

Cause I paid 37 euros for a courrier and I haven't seen them yet....  :'(

nop, we still haven't recieved ours... they should arrive soon

Ok, cause I was getting a bit worried.

So, this means they haven't been printed yet...

no, tickets are available in spain. a friend of mine already bought his in madrid.
they're just taking a lil' longer to get here. i wouldn't worry. either way you can e-mail them about that and they'll explain why the delay.

I did that, and I never got a reply. That' why I thought I should ask here.

Maybe I should just call them...

Ok, I just called.

The office is closed from the day I sent the email until today.

Which means that tomorrow or on Thursday I should get an answer...  ;D

If I don't get an answer by Thursday I'll call them again.

I got mine they very same day I bought them cause I went to the Halcon shop and got them. Don't worry Christos, you'll get them soon. If you need assistance with the call or whatever, pm and I'll be glad to call in your behalf.

On a side note, c'mon Domingo, Coke_tongue...I haven't seen you posted here yet. Your names are not on the "members who are going to this show list" yet.

Thanks man, it's amazing how friendly this community can get when needed. I got lots of help whenever I needed to see GN'R live in other countries and I'm thankfull for that.

If I don't get an email tomorrow or Thursday I'll pm you the details, you'll save me lots of trouble and possible misunderstanding if you can do that...

Sure no prob? : ok:

Let me know if you need help.

Does anyone know if is there any trip organized to go by coach from Barcelona to MAdrid? I can't find any one
Thank!

Just sent you a pm.

I`m also going.
By the way, and even though this is not the appropiate thread......There's some rumours about GNR playing Bilbao Live Festival (in july).......GNR in my hometown? :smoking:

http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/110910/0/seran/las/estrellas/

christos, did u get any news from the guys at troubleshoot? i still didn't get my tickets yet.

I called them on Tuesday, and they called me back on Wednesday to let me know that they sent the tickets "yesterday". So, if you want my opinion, call them...

I've heard the Spain show is sold out...can someone verify this?  Good news if true.   :beer:

No it isn't truth,i was on the ticket selling saite for that show,and you could find tickets there

Only i know is that on paris shoe 740 tickets left

They changed the date  :o



http://www.gamerco.com/trouble/index.cfm?fuseaction=noticia&id_noticia=108

fuck that just ruined all my plans!

My ass really hurts at the moment...

It doesn't really change many things for me..I guess I will be forced to take two days off work instead of one, but now I have a long weekend ahead to catch up with old friends.

I know some of you are coming from very far away for this, I hope I'll get to see you all anyway? : ok:


Anyone notice how the site posted a link to the GNR "official" site? As if that was the source... :hihi:

My tickets arrived today. The irony... Oh well...

I've already lost 200 euros on Madrid, which is not for nothing cause I'll see a beautiful town. If anyone's in town on the 28th, let's meet.

I'm thinking of spending 300 euros more and going to Madrid on the 25th.

My other option is to wait for the UK shows to be announced and go there, cause I think it will be 2002 all over again. Download first and then London and probably more UK shows.

Download might have announced that this is the only UK show, but as we remember RIR announced that they were the first show of this tour, then the first show of the European tour and now...

Oh, and if anyone needs GN'R tickets for Madrid, don't hesitate to ask. I know 4 people that can't go there for sure.

I won't sell mine yet... Probably never...  ;D

I did think about cancelling this trip because of the extra cost of changing my flights (especially as the credit card has really taken a beating over the NYC trip), but in the end decided to bite the bullet and go anyway. ?After all, there's no way of knowing how this tour will go and if or when the band will be back in Europe. ?(Not being a pessimist - just trying to be realistic!) ?Anyway, definitely looking forward to it and seeing everyone too. ? :beer:

Yeah C'mon Christos...300? is worth it. You'll get to attend the very first show of the European Tour. You know the first and last shows of any tour are always the best... :P


Edit.- If you can't make it on the 25th, I'll meet up with you on the 28th.

Great! I'll see you there? :beer:

I know that it's worth it but I'm not sure I can afford that money at the moment.

That's why I'm thinking about London as well, cause if that happens in mid July, I'll have the money at the time... :-\

Its a mean trick for those who both flight tickets,Christos i feel your pain..I dont understand why the managment makes so much faults that the real fans are gonna bleed for.personly i think that it is this way because off the rir5 show will be broadcast on the national tv...then you have on this way a extra tryout like the new york gigs...i can be wrong but this is a hard for the diehard fans who bought expensive tickets to support Guns 'N Roses.

The date is back to 28th......? :confused:

http://www.gamerco.com/gamerco/index.cfm

Weird... Whats going on...?? :-\

I've just called. It's the 25th.

They haven't updated it onm the main site cause it's not "official"yet but, yes, the show has moved to the 25th.

I've asked how were the tickets selling and they told me they were impressed by the demand. Still not sold out, but it will (so they believe)

Thank you so much for checking, Ignatius.  : ok:  I nearly had a heart attack when I thought it might be back to the 28th!

De nada, de nada   :)

Christos dont give my ticket.
I will kill you  ;D

I want it for collecting  reason.
Ok we wont see gnr 2 times but Lisbon is enough.
I hope that is going to be the best show.

I say fuck it.

I'm coming to Madrid on the 25th.

LET'S HAVE ONE HELL OF A PARTY!!!!



Now, I need some help from someone....

Please help me find a nice hotel through www.bookings.net

I basically need something not very expensive, near I don't know where...  ;D I need some help with the area basically cause I have no idea where I should be staying...

So HELP ME PEOPLE...

Don't know if you've found anywhere to stay yet, Christos, but the nearest two hotels I've found are

http://www.sofitel.com/sofitel/fichehotel/gb/sof/1606/fiche_hotel.shtml

and

http://www.novotel.com/novotel/fichehotel/gb/nov/1636/fiche_hotel.shtml

I'm staying in the first one.

Hope this helps.   :)

cyllan

I'm going too.
I have to spend a lot of extra money but........... OKKKKKKKKKKKK.
The only reason is GGGGGGGGGGNNNNNNNNNNNRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

So......... Madrid 25 , Lisbon 27

LETS ROCKKKKKKKKKKKKK

i'm still goin 2! fuck it, it's gn'r, i have to go!

Done.

Plane tickets booked. All I need now is to find a nice hotel and we're done.

Probably one of those 2 cyllan mentioned.

We just lost 350 euros.... each....

Cool? :beer:

So you all are coming. Sure it's gonna be a hell of a party!


About the hotel, the sofitel is ok. It's close to the venue. Thing is, we will have to find transport arrangments to head back downtown when the show is over. The hotel and venue are close to the airport but 10-15 kms away from where the action happens at night. I guess some of you could ride back? with me, others will have to take a cab or the subway (remains open until 1 am, so let's hope Axl shows up in time). Either way, we could arrange this once we are there.

I'm driving from Marbella to Madrid on thursday (may 25th) morning. It'll take me about 5-6 hours to get to Madrid. I probably won't be able to meet up before the show, but I'm all for meeting up after the show.
 
Since I've never been in Auditorio Juan Carlos I, it's gonna be hard to locate a meeting point at least, till we go to the show. I don't want to invade anyone's privacy, but I wouldn't mind giving you my mobile number so we can text one another and agree on a meeting point once we are there. What do you think?

Hi guys, I'm new in here, so first of all nice to meet you all? :)

I'm gonna attend a few shows including the one in Madrid but I have no idea about what the Auditorium looks like and stuff...just read it's close to the Airport...
Do any of you know if it is within a walking distance from it?
How can I reach the place and at what time approx will you get there?

Too many questions, sorry...hope to meet some of you guys out there? :D

hi all of you..

some info that might help you.
the auditorio it's located INSIDE the Juan Carlos I park (the biggest here in Madrid).
the park it's really nexto to the airport (only 1 station with the subway)
Both (the park and the auditorio) have a circle perimeter, the auditorio it's located  on the southest part of the park
It's very hot in summer for there ain't too much trees :)

Last week I spent the day with my girlfriend (we'll going to the show :love:) and walk to the area where the arena it's located. I remember stopping myself and begin saying to her: "look, do you smell it?" and she went "what?" and I replied "it's GUNS N' FUCKIN' ROSES smell hereee!!" hehehe

sorry for my 'engrish', Ignatius, I think you might translate to english

Hujiko I think you speak perfect english.. no need to translate.

Alright, let me just add I'm as exited as the show as I was 14 years ago when I saw them for the first time, actually, I'm way more exited now. It's only a few days away and I can't simply wait. All the revies from the NY shows have been amazing and the anticipation level for me is huge. The venue is not sold out yet, so I hope they run a few ads in newspapers and shit cause quite frankly, I'm yet to see any promotion for this (truth is, I live in the south of Spain, so don't know if they are doing anything in Madrid to promote this).

I'm going to Madrid a day earlier. I'll be driving wednesday so thursday morning I can go to the venue and see what is like and such. It coud be cool to meet up with all of you after the show.

Me and Christos have already exchanged mobile numbers so we can text each other and get together after the show. If anyone wants to echange numbers with me, you're very welcome to do so. Just fire off a pm.

For those attending the show, I'll be wearing a white HTGTH shirt. Front says: "Here today gone to hell", back: www.heretodaygonetohell.com - we know about patience". I'm pretty tall, blonde looking guy. I'll try to stick around after the show around the main gates so you know.

I'll be wearing a black Gunsnroses.gr tshirt, on the back it says "GREECE LOVES GN'R, LISBON, MADRID, NUREMBERG 2006"

and we'll have a big sign that says GREECE LOVES GN'R and something funny...  ;)

GREECE LOVES GN'R (+ LORDI & FINLAND).  :yes:





/jarmo

Gotta be honest, I do love them, but NO they won't be on the sign...  ;D

i'm really excited for this!! its going to be a huge show and i hope you guys have a BLAST!!!!

I'm going also !! I can not wait .

See you in 2 days gunners !  :beer: :drool: : ok:

HAVE A GREAT GNR GIG MOTHERFUCKERS!!! I WISH YOU THE BEST AND HOPE TO SEE SOME OF YOU IN LISSABON!!

TO: Cocaine__tongue, Christos AG, cyllan, dizzzyvamp, grabaraxl, Ignatius, MeanBone :peace:

Is this show sold out?  If not will it be come show time? 

if this has been asked already i'm sorry for asking again but what time will this show be starting central time. so i know when to be here to get updates from anyone sending in updates at the show.

Hi!
I think i need some phone number of anybody who is gonna be at the forum so i can send some update.
I?m taking a train from Alicante wednesday mornig to Madrid so i will not be able to check the board or the e-mail from tomorrow till saturday.

I will be at the concert with my hand-painted rocket queen jeans  :D

WILL BE GREAAAATTTT!

Let the games begin:

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From the pics the venue is amazing!

Tomorrow is the big day boys and girls. I'll see you all there.

On a side note, The gig is not sold out yet. I've just called and there are tickets left. I want to see a sold out venue!

Apparently it's sold out, and they released the remaining tickets today.  That's what I read at mygnr.com

Awesome! i thought we were a few days from a new show, but its around the corner. :smoking:

Make sure to post a setlist and have a good safe time you guys. : ok:

Agreed!, have a fucking blast!!!!!!!

i'm leaving  to madrid real soon. i'll post a review tomorrow when i get home!

rock awn

woah! great pics of the venue!! jeez, I've just CANT wait for it to start. last night I was watching with my girlfriend the Live @ the ritz video from 88 and I've just realized that I'm (maybe) gonna drop a tear when I saw Axl there! :'( :beer: :beer:

by the way, the show starts at 23:00 (spanish hour) not at 22:00 as the homepage of HTGTH says, doesn't it?

I hope you guys get a great show...with AWESOME weather (given it's an outdorr venue).

I'm looking forward to seeing other gunners opinions of the band.  The Hammerstein show on the 15th I was at was amazing...

I'm taking the flight to madrid in 1 hour time.  :beer: :beer: :beer: :smoking: :smoking:

Nice show for everyone going!!!.

I'm in Madrid!!!

Show starts at 10. That's what it says on my ticket...

I've got seat tickets, so I'm just gonna chill for a few hours and will leave around 730 or so...

I've spoken to Christos a few hours ago, he said they'd landed safely and were in the hotel already. We are meeting after the show.

I'll post a review and comments when I get back. It's gonna be a hell of a night.

I'm so fucking thrilled!!!

To answer your first question... check out the post directly above yours... (2200)

Yes, shows that are at a reasonable time for the european lads. did someone say the show starts at 10pm so thats nine GMT.so they could be on stage by about 10 irish time.Sweet

6 minutes to go!

Dream on ;)

plus 1 hour.  ;D

No, I was right, it's now 14 minutes past 22!

It's now 23:14 spanish time so Axl's a tiny bit late i think

I'm just gonna post this here and will move it to the appropiate thread tomorrow.

It's always hard to get started when you have so many things to say, so I'm just gonna give
the facts and then I'll add my personal review. Let me just say the show has blown my mind.

Show Time

The band was scheduled to appear at 10. They didn't show up till 11:59.

People got pissed off. There were already chants agains Axl. It started to get serious when people broke a few chairs and were passing them along towards the front so they could through them at the stage. Security did well and got on the way. Fortunately, some tour manager or assistat announced there had been a techincal failure and that was why the band was late. He apoligised and people calmed down a bit. Then at 12, the band started with Jungle and people when nuts.

Setlist

It's gonna be hard to remember, but this is more or less the order:

Jungle
Easy
Brownstone
LATL
Better
SCOM
KNHD
IRS
YCBM
The Blues
Outta get me
November Rain
TWAT
My Michelle
Patience
Chinese Democracy
Nightrain
Madagascar
Paradise city

---
(the following were perforance throughout the show)

Solos by Dizzy, Richard, Bumblefoot, Robin (two).
Medley. Amazing medley with keyboards...it sounded like jazz music.

 


Crowd

The show sold out but not till 1130 or so. I don't know if the crowd knew Axl was gonna be late or what the hell happened, but it did finally sold out. The crowd reacted differently to every song. While the classics were very well received, the new songs hardly made an impact. There were a few people moshing but not too many. It was a good crowd, it could've been better had the band appeared on time, but reacted well.

Axl

He was in a very good mood. He didn't interact that much with us - I guess the language barrier there is a factor - but he did say a few things. After the first three songs, he said he was very happy to be in Madrid, and that he was our master of ceremonies for the evening. He then said he was "el matador". People didn't really get that. Bullfighter in spanish is torero not matador (that's in mexican spanish I guess).

For the rest of the evening, when he had something to say, he sounded like he was some kinda of announcer in a sports game. I don't know if he was just joking around, taking the piss or what...but he had this same voice you hear in any nba game..."and to my far right, mr. Richard fortus". He also made a comment about how much he heard the word "puta" (he said punta) tonight. Puta means whore and people were chanting "hijo de puta" (son of a bitch) sometimes at him. He was in good spirits though, in great mood.

He danced like I've never seen him danced before. Very smoothed, the snake dance was there, but it's evolved to something sort of slower. He really moved well, way better than in 2002. He still has the moves, definitely. He was wearing jeans and brownish jacket/shirt. Then, he put on the same shirt he wore at the new york shows. His voice sounded "amazing" even better than in 93. He nailed every single song, even better and IRS.

The band

Lot of chemistry there..specially between the 3 guitarists. I really enjoyed Fortus playing and stage presence. This guy rocks. Robin Fink is the true leading guitar here. I had some doubts about him, but this guy really got involved. Bumblefoot is good, skilled. His stage presence is not as powerful as the other two, but good overall. Tommy is number 2 in GNR these days. Axl was constanly talking to him, putting his arm around him...these two have developed a great friendship so it seems. The rest of the band was ok, didn't pay too much attention to Dizzy, Brain or Pittman.


My review:

Well, what can I say? It's been a hell of a show. I didn't really like the two-hour delay, but the band made it all up to us. If you hear negative reviews from this show, it may have to do with the stigma this band has to carry for the rest of their live than really about the performance we saw tonight. The band put everything they had. It was a 2 and 1/2 hour show, all the hits, the new songs, great sound and Axl in a very good mood...what else you want? well, there are still people who miss Slash and live constanly in the past. That's fine with me, but they will never enjoy this band cause they just can't be open about it.

I'm so thrilled about what I saw tonight. I have no doubt that Axl will have the last laugh. On this note, when you see Axl you know the guy is so confident in what he's doing.- It's like he already knows he is gonna have the last laugh. -

I'm going to be now cause it's 524 am and I'm tired. I'm just gonna add that I met Christos and Mean Machine. We couldn't get to do anything cause they were exhausted and had to catch a plane to Lisbon tomorrow

At last, but not least, if you haven't bought any tickets to any of the upcoming concerts, I don't know what are you waiting for. This has been so fucking worth it.

Have fun at the shows people!!!!!!


 

Yay for a good review. : ok:

Thanks very much for writing this out  : ok:


Glad you had a good time.

Great review.

I am really disturbed by this initial reaction to the new band. Maybe b/c the presence of a new player is turning people off as well. Bucket was well received in Europe.

Damn that two hour delay.

Thanks for the review... glad you enjoyed the show, I know I did on the 12th.

Ya think people would just realize that Axl is always late and plan accordingly. My wife didn't even land in NY on the 12th until 10pm... didn't miss a note of the show  :beer:

Yeah, thanks for the review. ?Pretty much what I expected, as far as the crowd goes. ?Until this band puts out an album, they are going to get the same nostalgic reactions to the old songs and quietness during the new songs.

This is just as I thought! ?The band is a force, and the writer just had no clue. ?I heard the two boots, and Axl's voice sounded stronger, he had a better tone, and had more control than I have heard on the NY boots. ?My gut tell's me, the newspaper guy in Madrid ran with his ghost story. ?He focused on everything but the music, which struck me as funny--having witnessed the band live at the Hammerstein (mind-boggliing how musically gifted they are)!!

yes , it's good to hear reviews from fans not from the press but i'm still mad ?:rant: :hihi:

i'm glad you had a great time ?:beer:

thanks for the review...very thorough!!!!! muchas gracias!!!!

Thank you very much for the review, i was wondering how it went!!!

I have a feeling this will happen only in Spain. I'm sure people in Lisbon will react differently.

Then again, will see if the band is 2 hours late in Lisbon too.

I thought Bumblefoot was huge in Europe or something?

  :-[

Not as far as I know...

Glad to hear you had a good time Ignatius and that the show was spectacular : ok:

I just hope Axl taking the stage 2 hours late doesn't cause a riot while in Europe, because thats the very last thing Axl or Gn'R needs right now.

Maybe Axl feels he needs to create suspense by showing up late?

It may work for some, but I can guarentee you it wont for all... :no:

it was due to technical difficulties, not axl...

anyway, great review, ignatus! : ok:
seems like you had a great time!

i can't wait to see them myself! ;D

aggressive crowd, but the delay made that more understandable IMO...

Lucky MF. You had a great time by the sounds of it.

I was hoping we'd hear some new stuff by now, but whatever.

Lets hope there aren't more significant (ie riots as a result of) repeats of the starting delay.

Heck yeah! great review.. thanks man!

glad to hear u had a great time, though it does not come as a surprise to me..
if u cant have a good time at a GNR concert.. then u need to get a life or cut your wrists or something.

Rock in rio is next---im sure its gonna kick ass!
you gunna be there? : ok:

Thanks for the review ?: ok: ?

Cant wait to RIO .

I don't give a shit what kind of reviews Gnr gets for this Spanish show. ? The most important show of this tour is on Saturday. ?Reviewers won't mean shit for that show because it is going to be televised internationally for people to see and make up their minds on their own. ? If Axl can put the show of his life ?on Saturday ?no other date in this European topur matters. ?In a way it's the VMA all over again , ?I only hope Axl doesn't fuck it up this time. ? ?Good Luck Axl ?aand rock the fuck out of RiR 5 , your ass depends on it .

very good point.  he won't mess up, its going to be SICK!  this is why they did so many warmups

 : ok: : ok: : ok: :smoking: :smoking:

Thanks for the review ignatius, as Mr I and othjers said, those guys who wrote thier reviews seem more peeved by the 2 hr wait than anything else. BUt seriously when are people gonna learn , Axl since dday one doesnt usually start a show till round 11 . And if thier were inseed tech difficukties  so beit. They came on the played for 2 1/2 hrs. AT least they didnt do like vancouver and pull the plug when clearly the band was there to play!

And rightfully so.

They are not the only ones living in the past... Look at the set list...

It's hard for the old fans who saw the band in its glory days to be thrilled by, basically, a cover band... You need to be a huge Axl's fan to enjoy it !

Great review ! :)

That is to be expected. Wait until the album comes out and the new songs get a few spins.

typical show, typical setlist...

great review i can't wait to be sitting right here at my computer saturday night watching the rio show online. not on tv here in the states as far as i know. also great to know the reason they went on late was not in their control and was a technical issue.

i don't get how some people are expecting the band to play all the new songs. then the album won't have anything surprising or new at all.  these days people can post recordings online in no time, its not like 1991 where they had more freedom to do that.

Thanks for a grweat review. I do have one concern, though, and that's the complaint about the band starting late. Who says they started late? The promoters? The ticket listing? Come on, all decent shows don't kick off until 11. This is crazy. If Axl kicks off after midnight, then OK, maybe that's late. But not before. (This is directed not at the current reviewer, but more at the dip-shits in the crowd that wanted to start a riot.)

and despite that, i think they've played more then enough to tide us over already... :smoking:

yeah man i agree. ive been to shows that didnt start till almost 12:30 (no, not GNR)...

I'd never even expect GNR to start before 11, especially with an opening band playing. and knowing this band, i'd give an hour or 90 minutes leeway to the start time anyway...

I think the fact that there is still no album, single, or release date on the horizon which drives most of the criticism, aside from the tardiness.

Jameslofton has said it a million times; to tour without that album release date engraved in stone will haunt this tour. They need something out there in many ways to make up from the hubris of 2002.

That being said, I am so happy that Axl is healthy and happy. The band seems tight and focused. Now they have to deliver to the marketplace.

oh i totally agree there. we need an album release date ASAP or at the least a single so we will have a "goal" to look forward to........

If the album comes out in Nov/Dec, that's still six months away. No one put out a release date that far in advance.

Uhh.. I like that. Thank you very much for the review, Ignatius.


Just out of curiosity, was it Mean Machine or Mean Bone that you met?

Lol, thanks. I went through the first 2 pages, didn't find anything so I clicked reply. But I'll delete that.

Even a PR indicating a single release date will generate excitement. 

Hell, two singles before the album drops would be awesome.

While I think it would have made for a better concert/tour to have CD released before hand, the fact of the matter is its not.  If you can move past that, they are still playing new songs.  If you're not a die hard and didn't go to any of the shows in 01-02 then all of these would be new to you (and yes, there are PLENTY of people who fall into those categories):

The blues
CD
Madagascar
Better
TWAT
IRS

Thats 6 new songs.  Thats not too bad.  Considering how the new songs haven't generated half the excitement as the classics, I really don't understand why people keep saying we need MORE new songs.  The energy goes way down when the new songs are played, and thats even with the die hards singing along .......can you imagine if NOBODY knew the words to a new song?  You'd have a boring concert.  You guys have to realize that not everyone is on HTGTH or mygnr and on their computer downloading leaks and bootlegs.  Right now the band is concentrating on putting on a good concert, not about putting out new songs.  If the euro tour is as exciting as the NYC shows, nothing is going to haunt this tour.  The people who saw the Hammerstein shows are STILL talking about what they saw and heard.

A press release, single or release date isn't going to make for a better show though or pacify people if the band is going on "late" (and how anyone can go to a GNR show without expecting to maybe have to wait is just beyond me). 

The crowd reaction is one element; the media interpretation of this tour is another. Bad reviews will hamstrung this tour, especially on the US leg, if there is no album in support. Axl must be aware of this and willing to take the criticism if it means getting these players the exposure they deserve and proving that they can tour without problems. I believe it is an acceptable risk but we should be ready for somewhat of the same brushback we felt in 2002.


The crowd reaction is minimal because there is no album in support. If the new material is strong, the crowd will react to it.

I am not criticizing the band for embarking on this tour; I embrace it. But we cannot expect the public to fully embrace the new guys without something to judge their creative talents. There will be bad reviews, unfortunately. Many like we saw in 2002.

But thats my point...there IS no album in support.  So it'd be INSANE to play even MORE new songs......see what I'm saying?

I wasn't in anyway arguing that they should play more new songs. I agree that they should not.

Cool - then we're on the same page ;) haha.  When I first wrote my thoughts I was more or less agreeing with what Chief wrote then what you had responded to him.

As for CD release date = a successful tour, I do disagree there.  How Axl sounds live and how the new guys play is whats going to drive it.  Any bad review that isn't focusing on the music is just a bad, "bad review".  All bias aside, I don't see how anyone wouldn't think the NYC shows were all huge successes.

Great review, thanks for the info. People need to come to terms with the fact that they most likely aren't going to be debuting any more unheard songs. It sucks, but it also makes sense. Be happy they are playing as many new songs as they are, including There Was a Time. That doesn't explain why they won't drop in one or two from UYI, but I digress. And yeah, a release date would be really nice.

Hopefully Axl and the boys can blow some minds on Saturday night with another great show.

The NYC shows were tremendous successes for this band. I was hoping for a carry over but these latest reviews were brutal reads.

The old songs will make the shows enjoyable for mainstream fans but only a strong album will keep this band relevant, of course.

Totally agree  : ok:   The album WILL come.  A new disc is def necessary for Axl to establish the 2006 GNR, absolutely, but for RIGHT NOW, I just hope they put on a kick ass show.

Where are the bad reviews - I've only read a few member ones and they seemed pretty positive.  I saw one link to a spanish site, but my High School espanol is a bit rusty ;)

Well, just got back to my home city after an amazing night.
Ignatius' s review is just perfect, so there's not really much to add.....It was an amazing show by Axl, his voice was just perfect!!!. He was, as this has been the case lately, in a great great mood!!!. If feeeeeeeeeeeel gooooooooddddddd, nananananaaaaaaaaaa.

In my opinion, the show could have been a bit more intense, casuse:

a) there were way too many solos in my opinion.

b) almost a third of the concert were new songs, which is great for us downloading motherfuckers but no so great for 95 % of the audience.

Anyway, it was really great to see Axl in such a good shape. I think his voice was better in this show than in the one I saw back in 93.

Enjoy Lisbon!!! :beer:

i love it when people try to determine what will "haunt" guns... ungrateful pricks.

edit: now when nearly a third of the setlist is new songs without even having an album out, these so-called "fans" will find something new to complain about... guns is back and all these faggots do is complain. such a shame.

What's the big deal about them coming out at 12 at these shows?  They still played 2 and a half hours.  At NYC the show was announced as supposed to start at 9 but they didn't take the stage until after 11, but no one was complaining or threatening a riot

Well, you will make alot of friends around here posting like that.  ::)

I suggest that you lighten your tone and allow discussion to proceed without insulting the community.

I totally agree ?with your opinion. ? This band needs to stop playing the new songs until the album is released. ?They should only play 2 new songs a night( preferably "better , "CD" ?or the "Blues". ?The old band could get away with playing new music at concert because they were already an established band . ?Nobody knows this new band yet. People are going to these shows to hear the classics , nothing more. ? I also agree that they have to eliminate the solos completely, ?they are absolutely useless. ? If Axl wants to give his bandmates a moment in the spotlight during these shows ?than let them play a melody as a lead-in ? to one of the songs ( Like Slash used to do ). ? ?I really hope they change this for RiR or else it could get very boring. ?The only relaxing moment the crowd should have during ?this tour is "november rain" ? everything else should be a rocker.

Yeah... Speaking of other posters as 'faggots' and 'pricks' will not make your stay here longer. ?Stop doing it.

There are better ways to getting your point accross.

some people complain about them playing the new songs and some complain about them not playing the new songs...

i want to hear the new songs at rock am ring and i guess we`ll leave the decision to axl :hihi:

I enjoyed the new songs more than the old songs. I wish there were more. :) But i understand why it has to be this way.

Great review on the first page! Thanks mate! Just one thing though on some of these posts moaning about no announcement yet on the album release date. For gods sake dont you think Axl and the management know exactly what they are doing? I would imagine they have their whole marketing attack sorted down to the last tiny item! Just in my opinion I feel that something on the scale of Rock in Rio will be the kind of stage that Axl will want to announce to the watching world about the release of their masterpiece! Even though the New York shows were awesome and by all accounts so was the Madrid show, RIR is going to be the much better place and time to make the announcement that everyone is waiting for. Fans and media alike.

Some reviews:

http://www.elpais.es/articulo/cultura/Guns/N/Roses/caida/libre/elpporcul/20060526elpepucul_1/Tes/

Guns 'N' Roses, con el carism?tico y extravagante Axl Rose como ?nico miembro original del grupo que a finales de los a?os ochenta consigui? reivindicar para las grandes masas un rock ?spero, decadente y urbano, ofreci? ayer en Madrid un concierto descafeinado donde demostraron ser unos dinosaurios en ca?da libre.

Tras cuatro actuaciones en Estados Unidos, previas a la gira europea que la banda ha iniciado en la capital de Espa?a, Axl en su en?simo intento por renacer de las cenizas a Guns 'N' Roses fue recibido por cerca de 10.000 personas que abarrotaron el aforo del Auditorio Parque Juan Carlos I.

Los m?s ac?rrimos seguidores del cantante no escatimaban en saliva para adorar a un mito que parece perdido en encontrarse a s? mismo, mientras que una minor?a se despachaba a gusto con calificativos grotescos como "buf?n" o "impostor-egoc?ntrico", insultos que una hora antes del comienzo del espect?culo parec?an soeces y fuera de lugar.

Esos calificativos se convirtieron en verdaderas puyas cuando tras dos horas de retraso el grupo todav?a no hab?a saltado al escenario, situaci?n que calde? al p?blico, que se dedic? a arrancar asientos y a tirar objetos al escenario mientras insultaban a Axl Rose. Bastaron los acordes de Welcome to the Jungle para volver a la calma y por fin iniciar un recital que dur? dos horas. It's so Easy y Mr. Browstone precedieron a Live and Let Die, versi?n de una composici?n de Paul McCartney.

Demasiados parones

Tras un buen comienzo lleg? el primero de muchos e innecesarios parones. Un aburrido solo ejecutado por uno de los tres guitarristas que forman el excesivo plantel de m?sicos con los que Axl parece querer llenar un vac?o irremplazable -Slash-, precedi? a Sweet Child O' Mine, coreada con pasi?n por los all? presentes.

Rose, que apareci? con gafas de sol, vaqueros, y el pelo recogido en una coleta, sufri? un nuevo baj?n con la puesta en escena de un tema de su eterno y futuro nuevo disco, que dio paso a un solo de teclado, que enlaz? con November Rain. Chinese Democracy y la versi?n de la canci?n de Christina Aguilera, Beautiful, precedieron a un nuevo despertar del p?blico, que con My Michelle volvieron de nuevo a vibrar, aunque pronto fueron calmados con la arrebatadora Patience. Paradise City, clausur? la noche.

Tal vez Axl Rose tenga cierta culpa de la desbandada que su grupo sufri? definitivamente en 1993 y de la que todav?a no ha sabido levantar cabeza, como demuestra el paso de los trece largos a?os en los que no ha terminado su esperado nuevo disco Chinese Democracy, del que hoy ofrecieron un aperitivo al interpretar cinco de sus canciones.

Y es que los m?sicos que hoy sustituyeron a Steve Adler, Slash, Izzy Stradlin y Duff McKagan -miembros que grabaron el grandioso Appetitte for Destruction en 1987- lograron recrear los temas de Guns 'N' Roses, pero con una actitud poco comparable a la de aquel cicl?n que en los a?os ochenta se hac?a llamar Guns 'N' Roses. Lo que ocurri? en Madrid en mayo de 2006 tiene otro nombre: "Axels Roses".

In English

Guns 'N' Roses, with the charismatic and extravagant one Axl Rose as original only member of the group that to ends of the eighties managed to claim for the large masses an urban, decadent, and rough rock, offered yesterday in Madrid a decaffeinated concert where they showed to be some dinosaurs in fall free. 

After four in the United States, prior actions to the European tour that the band has initiated in the capital of Spain, Axl in their umpteenth intent by reborning of the ashes to Guns 'N' Roses was received by near 10.000 people that packed the capacity of the Auditory Park Juan Carlos I. 

The most bitter followers of the singer did not spare in saliva to worship to a myth that seems lost in be found to itself, while a minority attended to to flavor with grotesque descriptions as "fool" or "impostor-egocentric", insults that an hour before the beginning of the spectacle seemed crude and out of place. 

Those descriptions became true puyas when after two hours behind schedule the group yet had not jumped al setting, situation that heated al public, that was dedicated to start seats and to throw objects al setting while insulted to Axl Rose.  The harmonious they sufficed of Welcome to the Jungle to return to the calm and at last to initiate a recital that lasted two hours.  It' s I am Easy and Mr.  Browstone preceded Live and Let Die, version of a composition of Paul McCartney. 

Too many stops

After a good beginning the first one of many arrived and unnecessary stops.  A bored alone one executed by one of the three guitarists that form the excessive staff of musicians with the ones that Axl seems wanted to fill an empty irreplaceable one -Slash-, preceded Sweet Child O' Mine, sung with passion by the there present. 

Rose, that appeared with sunglasses, cattlemen, and the hair collected in a pigtail, suffered a new fall with it put in scene of a theme of its eternal one and new future disk, that led to a single of keyboard, that bound with November Rain.  Chinese Democracy and the version of the song of Christina Eyrie, Beautiful, they preceded a new one to awake of the public, that with My Michelle returned again to vibrate, although soon they were calm with the arrebatadora Patience.  Paradise City, closed the night. 

Perhaps Axl Rose have certain fault of the rush that their group suffered finally in 1993 and of the one that yet has not known to raise head, as shows the step of the thirteen long years in which has not finished their expected new disk Chinese Democracy, of the one that today they offered an aperitif al to interpret five of their songs. 

And the fact is that the musicians that today replaced Steve Adler, Slash, Izzy Stradlin and Duff McKagan -member that recorded the magnificent one Appetitte for Destruction in 1987- they managed to amuse the themes of Guns 'N' Roses, but with a comparable little attitude to that of that cyclone that in the eighties caused called Guns 'N' Roses.  What occurred in Madrid in May of 2006 has another name:  "Axels Roses". 

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2006/05/26/cultura/1148610703.html

MADRID.- Hace casi 14 a?os, miles de fans de Guns n' Roses se quedaban con una entrada en la mano y todas sus ilusiones (lejos de usarlas, como ped?a en su t?tulo el m?tico doble ?lbum de la banda, 'Use your Illusion') se degradaban al ritmo de la aluminosis del Estadio Vicente Calder?n. Muchos intentaron anoche desquitarse; pocos lo habr?n conseguido, a juzgar por el concierto ofrecido por el grupo, o, mejor dicho, por lo que queda de ?l.

Axl Rose y sus secuaces, una banda formada por ex componentes de grupos de cierto prestigio, pero que brillan m?s bien poco a la sombra del que fuera m?tico l?der de los Guns n' Roses ?y no precisamente por su brillantez? han ofrecido un concierto en el que, a pesar de intercalar algunos de los cl?sicos del grupo californiano con nuevos temas del ?lbum 'Chinese Democracy' (ese en el que Axl Rose lleva 11 a?os trabajando sin lograr que vea la luz), no han conseguido que el p?blico de Madrid entrara en calor, y eso que llegaba predispuesto.

Claro que las dos horas de retraso respecto al horario original (Rose, cual Cenicienta, s?lo se ha dignado a salir a escena cuando el reloj marcaba ya las 0.00 horas) han hecho aparecer los primeros bostezos entre el p?blico presente en el auditorio del Parque Juan Carlos I de Madrid, adem?s de alg?n que otro grito de "hijos de puta", con el que han sido recibidos a su salida al escenario. Y tambi?n han llevado a alguno a arrancar las sillas de las gradas. Y a tirar cervezas al vocalista. No era m?s que el principio.

Y eso que los acordes de 'Welcome to the jungle', uno de los 'himnos' de los 'Gunners', han marcado un comienzo de un concierto que, pese al retraso, a?n pod?a dejar huella en la memoria de los presentes, sobre todo cuando a continuaci?n han sonado dos temas m?s de 'Appetite for destruction', el primero y mejor disco de los Guns n' Roses: 'It's so easy' y 'Mr. Brownstone'

Llegar?a despu?s 'Live and let die', la versi?n 'ca?era' de la canci?n de Paul McCartney. El p?blico botaba al ritmo de un inexpresivo Axl Rose, que a golpe de 'botox' ha logrado perder toda expresi?n en su cara y asemejarse a una de esas estatuas del Madame Tussaud, rematada por una incipiente calvicie que el cantante refugia tras unas rastas que empiezan bastante m?s all? de la frente. Los a?os no perdonan.

Tampoco a sus fans, que, dadas las horas y teniendo en cuenta que muchos trabajan este viernes, bostezaban sin parar. Y es que adelantar un concierto de domingo a jueves, aun cuando es uno de los ?nicos dos que Guns n' Roses ofrecer?n en Espa?a, no es plato de buen gusto para nadie. Y menos si no vives en Madrid.

Tras el subid?n de adrenalina provocado por los cuatro primeros temas, la banda decid?a relajar los ?nimos interpretando uno de los temas de 'Chinese Democracy'. Ante el tedio que el tema, como los dem?s del disco ?bastante 'blanditos'? ha provocado en el personal, han sido varios los que se han animado a ocupar el tiempo en 'exhortar' a Axl Rose con gritos de "gordo" y pidiendo el regreso de Slash, el m?tico guitarrista de la banda que abandon?, empujado por el complicado car?cter del 'divo' Axl.

Cuando la cosa se complicaba, han comenzado a sonar los acordes de 'Sweet Child Of Mine', uno de los temas bandera de Guns n' Roses, para a continuaci?n dar rienda suelta a la versi?n del 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door' de Bob Dylan. El personal empezaba a calentarse... en vano. A continuaci?n, guitarrista y bajista han decidido marcarse unos solos que m?s bien podr?an haber reservado para sus reuniones de amigos. No obstante, lo han arreglado m?nimamente con 'You could be mine', uno de los pocos temas que han interpretado del ?lbum 'Use Your Illusion'.

A continuaci?n, los Gunners han decidido ofrecer una demostraci?n de esas habilidades instrumentales que estar?an mucho mejor si jam?s salieran de una reuni?n de colegas. Los bostezos y los gritos de "que me aburro" han hecho poca mella en la moral del grupo, que, tras interminables minutos de acordes de jazz y baladas, ha decidido interpretar 'Out Ta Get Me'.

Poco permeables a las cr?ticas, han vuelto a la carga con los solos de guitarra, por lo que se han ganado m?s de un grito de "No eres Slash" y "No le sale, co?o". A pesar de intercalar entre solo y solo 'November Rain', una de las baladas m?ticas de la banda, el enfado del p?blico ha ido en aumento, y es que ni los fuegos artificiales que han acompa?ado el concierto han logrado disimular el bochornoso espect?culo sobre el escenario del recinto ferial.

Ante tal impaciencia, los 'Gunners' se han atrevido con 'My Michelle', otra de las canciones del 'Appetite', con 'Patience', una de las baladas 'bandera' de la banda y la ?nica que han interpretado de 'Lies', su segundo disco, y con 'Nightrain'.

A partir de ah?, el concierto ha desencadenado en una secuencia de solos poco talentosos que ni la interpretaci?n del 'Paradise City' ha logrado borrar de la mente del p?blico. El mismo p?blico que ha pagado entre 40 y 48 euros por ver a los Guns n' Roses ?o m?s bien lo poco que queda de ellos? en directo.

No obstante, el concierto ?por cierto, el primero de su gira mundial? ha aportado varias cosas interesantes a aqu?llos fans que en 1992 se quedaron con la entrada en la mano y sin ver a los Guns n' Roses.

La primera, que queda demostrado que el 'alma mater' de la banda era Izzy Stradlin, aquel teclista, compositor y amigo de Axl Rose que no le aguant? m?s. Dos, y por mucho que duela, que los grupos tienen un ciclo. Empiezan, arrasan y deben acabar cuando est?n en lo m?s alto. Tres, nos hacemos mayores y la paciencia se nos acaba. Las maneras de divo de Axl Rose hace tiempo que nos resultan pat?ticas.

In English

MADRID.- almost 14 years ago, thousands of fans of Guns n' Roses remained with an entrance in the hand and all their illusions (far from using them, as asked in their title the mythical double album of the band, 'Use your Illusion') they were degraded al rhythm of the aluminosis of the Stadium Vicente Cauldron.  Many tried last night to be retaliated; few will have obtained it, judging by the concert offered by the group, or, better said, for which remains of him. 

Axl Rose and their followers, a band formed by former components of groups of certain prestige, but that shine more well little in the shadow of the one that was mythical leader of the Guns n' Roses ?and not exactly by their brilliance? they have offered a concert in which, in spite of interspersing some of the classics of the Californian group with new themes of the album 'Chinese Democracy' (that in Rose carries 11 years working without achieving that see the light), they have not obtained that the public of Madrid entered heat, and that that arrived predispuesto. 

Clearly that the two hours behind schedule respect al hourly original (Rose, which Ashen, only has deigned to leave to scene when the clock marked already the 0.00 hours) have done to appear the first yawns among the present public in the audience of the Park Juan Carlos I of Madrid, besides some that another shout of "children of prostitute", with the one that have been received to their exit al.  And also they have carried to some to start the chairs of the steps.  And to throw beers al singer.  Was not more than the principle. 

And that that the harmonious of 'Welcome to the jungle', one of the 'hymns' of the 'Gunners', they have marked a beginning of a concert that, despite al delay, still could leave track in the memory of the presents, above all when subsequently they have sounded two themes more than 'Appetite for destruction', the first and better disk of the Guns n' Roses:  'It' s I am easy' and 'Mr.  Brownstone'

Would arrive later 'Live and let die', the version 'sugarcane' of the song of Paul McCartney.  The public threw away al rhythm of an unexpressive one Axl Rose, that to blow of 'botox' has managed to lose every expression in its face and to resemble one of those statues of the Madam Tussaud, concluded by an incipient baldness that the singer takes refuge after some rastas that begin enough beyond the front.  The years do not forgive. 

Neither to their fans, that, given the hours and keeping in mind that many work this Friday, they yawned without stopping.  And the fact is that to advance a concert from Sunday to Thursday, even when is one of the unique two that Guns n' Roses will offer in Spain, is dish of good flavor for nobody.  And less if do not you live in Madrid. 

After the subid?n of adrenaline caused by the four first fear, the band decided to relax the spirits interpreting one of the themes of 'Chinese Democracy'.  Before the tedium that the theme, like the others of the disk ?enough 'blanditos'? has caused in the personnel, have been various the ones that have encouraged to occupy the time in 'to exhort' to Axl Rose with shouts of "fat" and asking the return of Slash, the mythical guitarist of the band that abandoned, pushed by the complicated character of that of star' Axl. 

When the thing was complicated, they have begun to sound the harmonious of 'Sweet Child Of Mine', one of them fear flag of Guns n' Roses, for subsequently give free rein to the version of the 'Knockin' on Heaven' s Door' of Bob Dylan.  The personnel began to be heated... in vain.  Subsequently, guitarist and bassist have determined to be marked some alone that more well would be able to have reserved for their meetings of friends.  Nevertheless, they have fixed it most minimum with 'You could be mine', one of the few themes that have interpreted of the album 'Use Your Illusion'. 

Subsequently, the Gunners have determined to offer a demonstration of those instrumental abilities that would be a lot better if never you left of a meeting of colleagues.  The yawns and the shouts of "that I bore me" they have done little notch in the morale of the group, that, after endless minutes of harmonious of jazz and ballads, has determined to interpret 'Out Ta Get Me'. 

Little permeable to the criticisms, they have returned to the load with the alone of guitar, for which they have earned itself more than one shout of "you are Not Slash" and "does Not leave him, co?o".  In spite of interspersing between alone and alone 'November Rain', one of the mythical ballads of the band, the annoyance of the public has been on the rise, and the fact is that neither the artificial fires that have accompanied the concert have managed to dissemble the shameful spectacle on the setting of the fair precinct. 

Before such impatience, the 'Gunners' they have dared themselves with 'My Michelle', another of the songs of the 'Appetite', with 'Patience', one of the ballads 'flag' of the band and the unique one that have interpreted of 'Bundle', their second disk, and with 'Nightrain'. 

From there, the concert has unchained in a sequence of alone little talentosos that neither the interpretation of the 'Paradise City' has managed to erase of the mind of the public.  The same public that has paid between 40 and 48 euro by seeing the Guns n' Roses ?or more well the little thing that remains of them? in direct. 

Nevertheless, the concert ?certainly, the first one of their world tour? has contributed several interesting things to those fans that in 1992 they remained with the entrance in the hand and without seeing the Guns n' Roses. 

The first one, that remains shown that the 'soul mater' of the band was Izzy Stradlin, that keyboardist, composer and friend of Axl Rose that him did not endure more.  Two, and however much stave, that the groups have a cycle.  They begin, they devastate and they should finish when they are in the higher.  Three, we do us greater and the patience is finished us.  The ways of star of Axl Rose time ago that turn out to be pathetic us. 

some missed slash, those bastards :hihi:

I feel for the crowd, hammerstein could have started 4 hours late and everyone would have just drank beer and waited... Maybe there the people expect bands to start around time, that could have been something else if those chairs made it to the front....

glad you enjoyed ignatious

I couldn't really understand those reviews myself!

why couldn't cd have just come out before the tour started, it would have been so much beter, everyone would have been familiar.. Everyone doesn't follow them like us, this isn't 1991 again.. I'm glad they are rocking along, but it would have made more sence not to do a second tour (02) album free..

LOL, damn those free internet translators  :hihi:

But surely: 'Izzy Stradlin, that keyboardist' is not a mistake made from translation, but rather from bad journalism!!


thanks for the effort though : ok:

All this fuzz about them playing that much new songs, I don?t get it. To me the group of people most excited about this concept are the die-hards fans, who have been supporting GNR through thick and thin throughout the past decade: The people who define GNR?s non-commercial success today. The only ones who have been ?waiting? years for the new material to surface. Those other groups out there, represent future commercial successes. Important (in time) as well, but not those first in line when it comes to being the standard with which the new shows should be measured. After all, recent history shows us that among the latter, a lot of the -driven-by-nostalgia-stuck-with ?Marty-and-DocBrown-in-the-eighties-haters- seem to reside.Unless the highest goal you have in mind for GNR is big commercial success.

If anything, this tour was already flawed by the lack of a new album at the launch?

-PEACE-

I think a lot of people are just clueless, people still wanting the old band, not knowing the new music regardless of the leaks.. This thing could have been run a lot smoother based on the failure of 2002, could have easily been changed, single, album, promo of the new band, etc.. Lots of people just wanted to see a gnr show I'm sure, they don't spend all the time on the net researching new tracks and lineups..

was there any mechandise if so what was it and did you get any if so any pictures

whoa... i thought ?british press was bad. i hope those reviews are not from popular magazines/newspapers. he is going to get so much flak about bands name.
i have to agree with the reviewer when he talks about GNR showing up late for a midweek show - we all got jobs to go to.

That was mean!!  :-\

Why do people keep calling him "fat" and things like that when he isn't anymore?

I know he was late and everything, but still.... 
lol

I wouldn't worry about what people say here.   I think the RIR reviews will be great.    He's always in his element at that festival.

here is another review , it's from Mariskalrock.com (not good at all)   I don't feel like translating 
sorry



P?nico en Madrid
 

Con m?s de dos horas de retraso se present? Axl Rose en Madrid bajo el glorioso nombre de Guns And Roses. Dos horas de excitaci?n primero, de incertidumbre despu?s, pasando por nerviosismo y desembocando en p?nico. El p?blico se hac?a notar coreando el ?hijo de puta? al un?sono, las barras quedaban desabastecidas, los camareros abandonaban sus puestos? Avisaron de que en 20 minutos aparecer?a Axl. M?s de dos horas de retraso. Una m?s de este impresentable que visto lo de ayer, m?s vale que se re?na con la formaci?n que le supo arropar en un escenario.


 Cuando la noche estaba al l?mite de estallar, apareci?. Breve intro y ?Welcome To The Jungle?. Todo olvidado. Por lo menos en los primeros compases. A partir de ah?, un show insulso. Daba la impresi?n de que Axl us? Madrid como calentamiento de su gira europea. Apenas se dirigi? al p?blico, que esa noche fue el que brill? por todo lo alto. Los watios por debajo de lo esperado, la banda mediocre (parece mentira que con tres guitarristas aquello sonara con tan poca potencia), solos largos, parones desesperantes y poco m?s. Ca?an sus grandes cl?sicos, los que salvaron medianamente el concierto. A mitad de show le sacaron el piano al escenario, con gafas de sol interpret? una de las mejores de la noche, ense?ando anillo por las pantallas que coronaban el escenario.

Toc? varios temas de su nuevo (?) disco, ?Chinese Democracy?, que aburrieron, y cerr? con ?Paradise City?, otro gran cl?sico. Present? a la banda que le acompa?a, esa banda que nadie se cree, hizo algunos amagos en movimiento al pasado, cobr? la pasta y se fue de aqu? con m?s pena que gloria. ?Volver?n las oscuras golondrinas? Eso, ni dios lo sabe.

 

?AKO MART?NEZ

 

En breve subiremos fotos exclusivas del concierto de ayer.

 

 

Set list:

Welcome To The Jungle
It?s So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Live And Let Die
Better
Sweet Child O? Mine
Knockin? On Heaven?s Doors
IRS
You Could Be Mine
The Blues
Outta Get Me
November Rain
There Was A Time
Chinese Democracy
My Michelle
Patience
Nightrain
Madagascar
ParadiseCity
 
 

GREAT SHOW!!!

Welcome to the jungle, luego It?s So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, Live & Let Die, Sweet Child o? Mine, Nightrain, OUT TA GET ME!!!, MY MICHELLE!!!, PATIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, un increible NOVEMBER RAIN, Knockin?  on Heavens Door... New... I.R.S., Better, CHINESE DEMOCRACY!!!, MADAGASCAR!!!, The Blues, Oh my God...

as soon as possible, I upload photos & videos...


Show must start at 22:00... and started at 0:00...   :(


Sorry for my english

cool setlist

Spanish people are dumb, if axl had been to any other country in latinamerica people would've known what he was talking about. ?Sheesh

People seriously miss the point and I agree crash, forthe most part people dont know shit of the new other than us diehards, and the new tunes are getting a good response, its just not everyone knows the tunes YET! And jsut as when I saw GNR at Felt forum, nobody knew Dont Cry, Patience, Used to love her, and yes they played those tunes in 88, same deal, once the cd comes and people getto know the tunes, I bet your ass Better and TWAT will become highlights.

EVen on the illusion tour before the albums came out, Estranged was done as an oncore before PC, and I didnt even know the tune, but I knew it was great, .

My point is GNR are doin this the way they should, playing the tunes many know ant want, and giving new stuff, that will become tracks people will look foraward to when CD is released. As for dumb ass reviews, pay no mind, they are gonna try to come strong and fast, but at the end of the day we , and the world will finally see why we have been dedicated all this time!

So what?
If Beta translates Axl's rants in Lisbon, many people won't get some words she says, because there's a difference between the portuguese spoken in Portugal and the one spoken in Brazil. So are the portuguese dumb too?

i just got home ( lisbon) from madrid. and i dunno if this was brought up, but bumblefoot actually played don't cry in his solo! that was awesome!
the show was great but i'm 2 tired to write a review, besides i gotta get some sleep cuz i'm playin at the hard rock later on.
see u all there. i'll be the one with the slash signed les paul.

Im not saying they have to understand everything. But the word "matador" is pretty well known in spanish-speaking culture, from mexico all the way to argentina.
So there.

I'm sure AXl's happy today - it sounds like they played really well and he was on great form and the band sound tighter and tighter by each gig. ?He's bound to expect some negative press - that's what its been for GnR from day one, there was always reviewers weighting their comments on how late to the stage they were, new members, weird names - I'm sure he'll take it all in his stride. ?The happiness and confidence from Axl points to the closure of CD recording/mixing etc and it's upcoming release - he's secure enough in his work to know it'll rock the fcn world. ?People are always gonna shout for slash too coz he was a fundamental part of the GnR sound and look years ago and also because you're always gonna get pissheads at gigs who think its funny to piss off the band (esp at festivals when not everyone there is a fan, they just wanna check out a few songs) or show off.

Don't cry solo!!!! Fcn cool - cheers MeanBone and Ignatius - glad you had such a good time. ?: ok:

Quote from: Ignatius on Yesterday at 11:28:05 PM
He then said he was "el matador". People didn't really get that. Bullfighter in spanish is torero not matador (that's in mexican spanish I guess). 



Spanish people are dumb, if axl had been to any other country in latinamerica people would've known what he was talking about.  Sheesh




Well man i hope you don't think so





Ey men these are not bad reviews to be Axl n' Roses gig.

Which doesn't necessarily mean they are dumb.

They didn't play OMG, did they?

That is a killer setlist. I love the pacing of it-not to many slow tunes in a row. Sounds like a great show. Thanks Ignatius : ok: ps. To anybody who is whining and crying about whatever, don't go see them-do us all a favor. Don't pay for a ticket and don't buy the cd when it comes out. Go find another band and another board to shit on. :peace:

Lack the knowledge of their own culture....dumb... however you wanna call it.
yadda yadda.

There is no such thing as spanish speaking culture- SA spanish is essentially a pidgin form- so you really should say that the American form of spanish speakers are ignorant of their own language.

Touring in the Summer months is when bands make the most money, so I imagine Axl thought even without the album in sight, it was probably still in his best interest to hit the road again, and debut some new material since lots more where that came from will be debuted shortly, or in the fall at the very latest.

This band has been out of the spotlight for 3 and a half years, and Axl knew that us diehards were losing our freaking minds with anticipation, so he knew the Summer of '06 would be absolutely perfect to get back on the road, allow his band to gel and connect with a new player this time around, and cock tease us with songs from his forthcoming masterpiece...it all comes down to promotion : ok:

Going from a 3 and a half year absence right into an album release out of nowhere would have been a hard cookie to sell...

With Gn'R out on the road, even without a new album, their still getting the Gn'R name circulating the press, and casual music fans alike...any promotion is good promotion.

Why the blue hell do you think there opening for the Rolling Bones *cough* Stones?

Because Axl knows millions of Stones fans are gunna be there which equals millions of more records sold for Gn'R.

Trust me, Axl is gunna blow the Stones away...he's gunna fuckin' nail Paradise City and Keith is gunna come out playing Start Me Up as they always do since their playlist is beyond creative...it's predictable as hell.. :-\

Oh yeah, nothing predictable about the 2006 GnR setlist so far as compared to the 2002 setlist.  ::)

Did you expect to hear Better, TWAT, or IRS when the Hammerstein shows were announced?

No one had the foggiest what was destined to be played...

Yes, a Rolling Stones set is predictable as hell because no one goes to see the Stones for the new songs, it all about shit 35-40 years old.

And before you say Im a Mick Jagger hater or whatever, Ive seen the Stones live on the Bigger Bang tour and they only played maybe 2 songs off that whole album, and trust me, no one was singing along.

Axl needs to grow the fuck up and show up on time! a little late maybe but... hours is so fucking stipid. I saw axl of the 15th in nyc and i like him, but this is ridiculous! :rant:

No, they didn't...they've played There was a time instead? :love:

plus, you forget You could be mine...

Correct Setlist... sorry for OMG


Welcome To The Jungle
It?s So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Live And Let Die
Better
Sweet Child O? Mine
Knockin? On Heaven?s Doors
IRS
You Could Be Mine
The Blues
Outta Get Me
November Rain
There Was A Time
Chinese Democracy
My Michelle
Patience
Nightrain
Madagascar
Paradise City

After the leaks happened, yeah. It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure out they would probably play them.


I'm going to venture a guess that people are going to see GnR for Welcome to the Jungle and SCOM. And yes, this years set is pretty predictable. Save for the couple of new tunes they are playing it's pretty much the same set they did in 2002. Granted they sound 1000x better than they did in 2002 but it's pretty much the same set. Don't split hairs and tell me it isn't because there are two new tunes in the set.


How can you be a Mick hater and an Axl lover? It's impossible!  :beer:

It's real easy...

One still has the untouchably amazing voice he had nearly 20 years ago, while the other is on the verge of death and has to scream or rap in attempts at "singing"...

Im sure you can guess which is which... : ok:

 : ok:

Yeah, good luck with that mate... :peace:

Just plan your time according to it and theres no problem.

The new band is awesome. I saw all 4 NY shows, and I can't believe some of the bad reviews they got... i mean I wonder if some of these reporters even go to the shows.

Whats the intro like?
I really liked the intro on the last tour, with the small film clip, then the stuttered start to WTTJ

Thanks Ignatus : ok:

The intro is very close to the original used on the previous tour in my opinion.

It's very eerie, and ominous...straight out the Exorcist or a movie along those lines probably :P

Does it show the Axl cartoon? (as shown at Vegas i think)

Does it show the footage (people being hung/shot) with the voice of a crazed leader speaking over the top (as shown at the begining of the London arena show).

We're talking about Axl in 2002 vs. 2006 now?  :P

 I didn't want to write in a topic headlined by spanish concert wasn't big or spain prefers adler's apettite.
I know that some morons cried "hijos de puta" in the wait for the show but there were only a few. I was there and believed me people left the auditorium happy, it was a wonderful show Axl's voice is better than ever!! incredible. And press reviews... Spanish press sucks!!! and musical press is the worst of them!! It's the same agency review that all the newspapers repit and she doesn't know what is she talking about!

After this show i have o see more!! i am looking for more shows i have to earn money!!

Guns N' Roses Forever!!

 ;D glad you had fun!

Hi people, I'm from Barcelona and I didn't go to the concert but today I read really bad reviews but I don't care because MARISCALROCK is always against Guns N' Roses, they just support little groups, Mago de Oz (I used to like them) and Iron Maiden ( I love Them). There's always something against Guns n' Roses but just in mariskalrock if you read the magazine Popular 1 or Metalhammer, in the whole, the comments are not as bad as the other one. When Guns N' Roses was touring during the UYI tour the reviews were bad as well.

But let correct myself, mariskalrock is against Axl and the new project.? The most "funny" part of the Madrid's review is when Mariskal says that the clue of the Guns N' Roses succes is not Axl, that Axl need the old band to succes again....

So don't believe Mariskal he will always blame of Axl

The First Show GNR in Europe Since 2002 jejejeje


Long Long Live GN'R

Hi, I'm new here.
I went to the Show in Madrid. It Was my first G'n'R show. I was waiting for it all my life.
The Show started 2 hours late, that's right. But the opening act starts 45 m late, so we can say Axl get 1'15 h late.
And again, 2 hours late... well, all my life I read that's the rule with Guns and Roses. They start 2 hours late, or they don't play, or they don't finish the show. So for me, that was ok.
Then there wasn't any kind of introduction. The band arrived to the Auditorium and they get directly on the Stage, all members at the same time, and start to play Wellcome to the Jungle.
The Worst part was the crowd. People don't understand that delay is a part of the Show. The Most of them were there only to hear the old tunes. Nobody seems to know the new tunes. Crow reaction were great at the begining of the show, but then it was gettin' colder.
In a point of the show they start to play Out ta get me, I Wanted to dance, sing, jump, goin' crazy... but all people around me were standin looking at the Stage and no kind of reaction. So I went Crazy, I run over those bored people, and make my way to the front of the Stage looking for some action.
The Higlights of the Show were Paradise city, that was awsome, and November rain. A friend of mine told me that another guy behind him were cryin' without control. Guitar Solos on November rain were amazing.
The Band sounds great. Fortus plays like an animal and has the Rock attitude. The New Guy, bumblefoot, made a fantastic solo and play his foot guitar on it.
It Was Great to see Axl doing the Snake like the old days, running form one side of the stage to the other like in the Illusions tour and dancin' like in the You could Be Mine clip.
He seemed to be happy and sings perfect. In a poin of the show the made some kind of jam playin James Brown I feel good, and Axl showed us al his vocal range.
The bad part of the show was the volume, not as loud as shoud be, and too much solos. Dizzy solo, Fortus solo, two Fink solos, bumblefoot solo. Too much. And I don't really like Fink solos. Fortus and Bumblefoot solos were better than Fink one's. (And I'm not talking about the Songs).
The New songs sounded great, Better and TWAT are both amazing, but they all are Slow ones (Except Chinese and Better) and some people looked bored at that point.
I think Axl is moving in the right direction. A tour without new songs has no sense with a new band. A new band needs new songs. A show based in the old songs only had sense in a Reunion tour.
And Touring before releasing the album is the better way to put band's name on the press and get the World's attention.

With my bad English I will try to post a review for the Madrid show :

We ( me , Christos , and Natasa )  went outside the stadium at 2 clock if I remember correct.
We all knew that would be a very difficult day as we had to wait a lot of time outside. It was a hot day and with only a bottle of water was harder.
But all changes when the soundcheck started and from this time we didnt give a fuck about anything else.
The things went better as we heard mr Rose singing at this soundcheck.It was like a warm up show for us , as we heared not only 1-2 songs but more.
So the time had come and the doors finally opened.
We stopped first at the merchandise and we bought everything   : ok:
We went into the stadium    at the 2-3nd line so we had a good point of view.
By seeing the stage only we were enthousiastic.
After some hours and with a big delay of axl  ( we dont care , we all love him )
everything was ready and the intro had started.
For me   the time had stopped as I couldnt believe that I was watching Guns N Roses for my very first time.
I'd like to share with you , and i'm very honest , that I was feeling very strange by seeing Axl and couldn't do anything.
I was freeze by seeing him on the stage.
It was something unique for me that I will never forget and all these because of Axl and Guns N Roses.
Robin have become perfect , not only because of his new look but for his great feeling on the stage too.

It was a great show  with a perfect setlist.
The new songs  were amazing. Especially   " chinese democracy ".
Axl was very cool on the stage and he proved for one more time who's the king.
One more thing I will never forgett is when we met  GNR  at the airport of Lisbon.
Something unique to have a short talk with some people you love and you always will.

In  Madrid and Lisbon I met some great people on this forum like  Jarmo , Ignatius , Emiliano and many others.
I dont remember all , but I'd like to thank all of you and I hope we will met again in the future.

Thx GN'R  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poso se zhlevw...!  : ok:

Cool review
Who did you talk to at the airport?

axl wasnt at the airport  but I met the others.
They not only  great on the stage but they are great as  people too.