Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I think it's funny how Axl referred to the foreign fans as more understanding and accepting of this band on the Eddie Trunk show.But  the first show  on foreign soil  and he gets crucified lol. Terrible mean spirited reviews and the crowd insulting him( fat, botox egomaniac curse words) and calling for Slash.  I find it ironic how the American shows went  great with positive reviews and a lot of love from the fans  but on  the first show of the Euro tour  it was  the total opposite.   I hope this doesn't continue  or else Axl might change his views regarding his Euro fans.  I hope Portugal  responds better.

Wonder how these concerts would be received in other parts of the USA?

you need to understand that people waited for hours...just because Axl didnt feel right already or something.

You also need to understand that the N.Y. shows were small intimate shows in comparison, with an audience made of probably 95% hardcore fans.

at hammerstein, only the real die hards attended to the shows, that's why it was very well received

There's an echo in here...  ;)

It would be incredible ignorant if Axl judged the entire European fan basis from one Countries experience.

And I think this is overreacting abit.

sorry, didnt read all the posts ;)

Absolutely. There's always gonna "Where's Slash" people at GN'R shows. At least for a long time to come. But 99.9% of the audience are still gonna be ecstatic about the show and drown out the few drunken people who shout stupid shit at the stage. And I have always said that hearing a brand new song for the first time (if you haven't heard the leaks), it's hard to make out the structure of the song. If Better had been a single, and people knew of it, they would've stuck around during it. I know people said after the Hammerstein shows that during the new songs is when people went to buy beer, so... It's just the way it is until people hear the new stuff on an album.

And, I'm sure Axl's laughing all the way to the bank with money from the ignorant fools who actually were stupid enough to spend money on a ticket just so they could shout "egomaniac" at the stage. Great accomplishment. ?: ok:

Hehe, no worries. Just kidding.  :)

And how many "shouted"... Hm.  From what I've heard and received from attendees, when 'Jungle' hit, all was forgotten.

The "review" form that Spanish paper had Izzy Stradlin listed as the keyboardist for Chrissakes!

Guns played 2? hours and sounded amazing. Axl GREAT. And in good spirits. Would he be that if the crowd were as some have posted?  hardly.

RF

Welcome to the jungle, Axl.

Guys, you expected something else?

Situation is similar to 2002, only 3 new song played live, some new never- heard-before guy with a hand-shaped guitar in the band, and most important - no cd realesed.

You think all of the fans listened to Trunk interview, and downloaded shitty NY bootlegs?

Until something is actually officialy released, they will always be people bitching.

End of story.

Trust me, even when CD is released people will still be bitching about something.

er when axls over here, we aint foreign fans, hes the foreigner

no, I was there and was a diehard of the old band, not the new band

though I was very impressed by this version of the band and thought they were better than the 2002 version i saw boots of

The bitching will NEVER stop.

The core of the problem is that GNR shut down dead after 1993...normal people havent heard shit since then..

Suddenly its 2006 and people are still in 1993 modus..Im sure they will get quite a shock.

Even after 3 albums and members that have been there longer than Slash and Duff people will still bitch..

Maybe we can all get some group therapy to get over our anger.

On topic: The press isn't too positive, but from I've heard of people who were there the show rocked. Now, the press writes whatever they need to write to sell more papers, and since I'm not Spanish I have no idea how reliable these papers are. GNR always was a band the press loves to hate, and showing up 2 hours late with a whole new line-up after a failed 2002 tour gives the press more ammunition. I will hold my judgement till Saturday night, so I can see for myself how much they suck / rock.

Fuck the press. Most fans absolutely loved the show.

Even at Pukkelpop in 2002 people were shouting "Asshole! Asshole!" while we were waiting for the band. That's what you get when you have several thousands of people waiting for a band to show up. You can't control crowds.

That's right man - so YOU better get used to it. Once you've had a ferarri why the fuck would you be happy with a skoda? Original G'n'R were the perfect example of a band and no one would even be on this board if it wasn't for them. The public in Spain have echoed what the majority want... they want their ferarri back! ?:hihi:

huh, most of the press covering the band in NYC was very positive :hihi:

It's not just Axl i feel bad for ,it's the other band members.How do you think it makes Finck and Stinson feel when some fans are screaming for Slash and Duff.It's like the current GnR's are being haunted by the ghost of oldGnR's.

I just think it's going to be funny in an ironic way if the majority of foreign press gives Gn'R bad reviews while the American press up to this point has been very positive, and excited for the most part as to what Axl will do next...

they're playing tons of old material what do you expect.. Chants for some strangers onstage. Not everyone loves replacements of loved members that were on all those great albums

I think someone should whisper in Axl's ear that showing up ridiculously late when you have done NOTHING for fourteen years is a really bad idea.  You have absolutely zero goodwill built up.  This is not 1991, you are not the biggest rock band in the world, show up on time for God's sake.  Even at the Hammerstein shows, especially the 17th when he came on obscenely late, people were getting really, really pissed off.  And that's at shows where the crowd is made up of the supposed "diehards."  People have lives that don't revolve around your band that they haven't even seen for fourteen years and most are not gonna be real happy with a show that ends at 2 in the morning.  Absolutely no reason for this nonsense.

WTF is this stupid discussion about axl showing up late? Everbody knows that if you go to a Guns show they will not play on time. And where the fuck is the difference if the start playing at 10.30 or midnight? Goddamn everybody should be happy that they saw a good show.
As far as the punks in the press are concerned. They already knew before the show that they gonna sink Axl and co., so they just used his showing up as a lame excuse to dump him even more. Who the hell cares? Can`t people, the fans, everybody who is into rock music just be happy that one of the biggest icons in rock reappeared.

So please everybody stop bitching for a while and enjoy the moment...who knows when they will tour again! Everybody would prefer a reunion but there is nothing we can do about it. If you are a die hard slash fan then the fuck go to a VR show.

Sorry about this rant, but this is really driving me up the wall. Axl, the management definetely should be criticized for some things, but please once they finally get their asses up and go on  fuckin huge tour would people stop complaining at least for a while and just enjoy the new band?!!!

I agree that people should give the "new" band a chance, but showing up that late is just disrespectful to the fans.  People have paid good money for tickets (and not cheap tickets, either), why would they want to stand around for two hours waiting for the band?
Axl, come along to the countries, people want to see you, but for heaven's sake, respect the fans enough to stick to the time on the ticket.

Absolutly agree with you. Fantastic post.

I also think that Spanish press already knew before the show that they gonna try to bash on Axl.

We should calm down a bit. Spanish press historically used to ''destroy'' GNR in its reviews. In 1992, GNR people had to give tickets for free to avoid an scandal, because the Benito Villamarin Stadium was almost empty. The spanish press that bashes on Axl and Guns N' Roses is, at the same time, the one that pays more possitive attention to ''La Oreja De Van Gogh'' and David Bisbal and forgets about Joaquin Sabina or Jos? Carreras.

One bad step from six. That's all. Good reviews in the four shows at Hammerstein, 1 at Plumm, and this bad one. Axl chose the wrong country for being 2 hour late and to do 3 shows.

Why don't people get it... just don't show up til 10:30 or so and you won't have to wait. Unless your a hardcore bullet for my valentine (or whoever else is opening) fan then just don't show up. In ny I heard people bitching "i've been waiting for three hours".... uh why did you show up at 8pm for a gnr show.

Whether its right or wrong axl hasn't changed his behavior in 20 years so why would you expect anything different now...

and to top it off there were technical problems...