Here Today... Gone To Hell!

A little off topic, but GNR will be featured on Thursday night's episode.  It's 4 parts, and has been highly entertaining so far.  Just finished Priest, and now onto ACDC!!

What time - i'll be flying Jet blue from LA back to Boston  8pm - that'll give me something to look forward to on the plane ride :-)

it airs at 9:00PM (EST) on VH1 with the replay at 12:00AM (EST) and another replay at 1:00AM  on VH1 Classic. All 4 shows are replayed on Saturday in a row from 7PM to 11PM.

Fantastic show....its really a great overview of how metal/hard rock was born and how its evolved.  A lot of those VH1 shows are really kinda retarded and poke fun at the artists/music, but this one is much different - it has a documentary feel.
Can't wait for GNR, they probably will spend a lot of time on them.

yeah my friend worked on this show. they spent over 1 year and a half doing it. they did a really good job. i think the guns n roses piece is on thursday. i didnt see it yet, but my friend said it is really good.

My fave part about last night's show was the metal scene in the UK before it exploded.  The fans would bring cardboard cut outs of their guitarist's guitar, go to the clubs and get on stage and "play" their guitars.  As funny as it sounds, it wasn't meant to be a joke at all - infact they took it really seriously.  I think thats so awesome in a funny way.  The image of thousands of fans at Hammerstein with card board cut outs cracks me up  :hihi:

Sounds good! Some of the stuff VH1 has been putting out on hard rock/ metal actually isnt too bad. Especially the 100 greatest artist of hard rock series, I look forward to that everytime I see its gonna be on!

number nine, number nine, number nine...

I saw the preview tonight for the 4th part, can they not get Axl to do n interview??  Everything they use is from 1988 or so.

Well I think one reason Axl wont do an interview is because he seems to not be happy with his appearance. For Axl to get done what ever he got done to his face shows he already wasn't confident with his looks and now im sure he regrets that, also hasn't he requested no photographs a lot? I'm pretty sure he did at the Eddie Trunk radio thing.

yeah he requested no pitctures at the eddie trunk thing. you also have to remember that axl only resurfaced a little while ago. they had the whole guns n roses piece put together long before axl would be around for an interview.

There would be no need for Axl to take part in the show because they'll be talking about the old GNR...the GNR that was famous and broke the metal scene. The new GNR has nothing to do with those times, and I highly doubt Axl is interested in focusing in on the past

I caught the very end of something on vh1 classic, it was eddie trunk, scott iann, even seinfeld,  sebation bach and some british dude... Sounded like I hear axl, slash cd, just the tail end..

Agreed, I think Axl really wants to move on from the old stuff and focus on the new stuff.  I think if he were to be on the show it would be a signal that GNR IS the past - all the rockers on that show now are so old and tired looking.  Sure some of them are still touring/making music, but they are all well past their prime in terms of sound and success.  I think GNR/Axl is one of the very few bands/artists out there from the 80s rock scene that are still able to be relevant. 

Either way it should be an awesome show.  Really looking forward to it. They ended last nights show so well, really set the stage for how/why Guns was so well received and accepted.  I wonder if once Nirvana enters the picture the show will end.  Is grunge/post grunge music considered metal???  I honestly don't know.

yeah on they do something on nirvana, soundgarden, alice in chains on tonights show.

Hmm, they didnt' actually.  I have to say it was a pretty big cop out.  They went from Anthrax/PE "bring the noise" straight to Limp Bizkit, Korn and Linkin Park.  uhhhhh, there was a good 5+ years in between the two.  They basically ignored how Nirvana killed rock as we knew it metal/hard rock was virtually non existant for at least 5 years.  Kinda lame.

The guns part was awesome.  Really showed how metallica and guns was hard rock at its peak.

awww those times were great!  miss them :-\

Another interesting thing was how after Marilyn Manson (who peaked in the mid 90s really) they didn't talk about any other bands.  From Manson's height to today is almost ten years right?  Doesn't say much for todays rock scene.

It was really cool to see them address how the "old" bands are all doing comeback tours/albums that are very successful.  Just goes to show you that GOOD music will stand the test of time.  Bands like Priest, Sabbath/Ozzy, Maiden can still tour whereas the shitty hair bands (whos music, while fun at the time, kinda sucks now) are playing tiny tiny venues (if they are playing at all).

Goes to show how GNR will always be relevant and why the heavy AFD setlist isn't a bad thing...those are the songs most people want to hear.

You obviously haven't seen one setlist from any Axl show from 2002 to the present.  Also, I don't think most of the rockers look any older or more tired than Axl.  Slash looks younger and healthier now than he did back in the 80's.  Also, a little side note...Velvet Revolver throws in 2 GN'R songs per set.  Who's moving on from the old stuff?

I'm guessing you're a Slash fan? hahah.

Did I say Slash looked like shit?  Um, no.  Did you see Jani Lane?  Did you see Russel from Great white?  The guys from Quiet Riot?  Dee Snider?

Speaking of those dudes, they're exactly what I meant by moving on from the "old stuff".  All of those guys haven't done anything new in a VERY long time (if they have its been completely under the radar). 

As for the 2006 set list, he played 6 new songs.  Considering there isn't a new CD out yet, I'd say thats a pretty good sign of moving on.  "Old stuff" was also meant to include the old band - like it or not, its just Axl (and Dizzy hehe) and the new guys now - I could see why he wouldn't want to talk about the old band while hes trying to put out a new one.

As for your more than apparent love for Slash and VR, they only play 2 GNR songs b/c Scott can't handle 95% of GNR's material.

They only play 2 GN'R songs because they have an album of their own they can play songs from.  Jani Lane and Russel did look bad, but not all of them did.  In fact, I think most of the guys they interviewed look pretty good for their age.  Also, the guys from Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister are considerably older than Axl.  And in defense of Great White, Quiet Riot, Jani, Lane, and most of the other people who appeared on that show, they have been putting out new material on a consistent basis for years now.  You may not like it, but at least they're out there making music for their fans.

Sure he does ::), Slash looks like a frizzy haired douche bag with a face like a catchers mit(then again he was never a looker in the first place). And who cares if VR only plays 2 GNR songs, if they were smart it would be entirely GNR songs cause every thing they wrote since sucks ass. GNR has over 30 songs ready but why play them when none of them haven't been released yet?

WHY?? so this "new" band could start acting like one instead of treating the fans to a? COVER SESSION.. I want to burry afd, i can't live my life off that one album :rofl: All the slash haters all own the post gnr albums :hihi:


As for your more than apparent love for Slash and VR, they only play 2 GNR songs b/c Scott can't handle 95% of GNR's material. a cover of a song doesn't have to sound like axl, so technically they can cover anything, those chosen songs like brownstone or it's so easy fit the rocking vibe of the live shows..They just fit the bill. this is a gnr board why not love slash, or duff or izzy

all you vr haters must follow them so closely..Doesn't everyone follow bands and people they hate..I bet it's like most sheeple, just follow what others say and bash anything or anyone not with gnr or axl anymore..I've seen several vr shows, a? 5 new gnr shows, at least i give each band the time of day to have real opinions..

Sorry Mike, but I gave Contraband more than a few listens, and to me it still sounds like one of the most uninspired, unlistenable rock albums Ive ever wasted my hard earned money on.

Id take Slash's Snakepit, or very early STP over Velvet anyday, but maybe thats just me...

Personally, I also have a hunch that Army of Anyone is going to have one killer debut album that will show who the true talented beings in STP really were : ok:

I never said it was for everyone or everyone liked it.. Just some of the people that hate the ex members so much wouldn't be the ones to run out and buy eevrything they release.. If people don't believe that then they need help..

if I hate a certain player most likely I wouldn't own anything from his solo career...

Can you download this metalspecial soemwhere?I don't think vh1 europe will air them...

Man I thought last nights part with GnR was awsome. Only problem is it makes me want the original GnR lineup back. Slash is just as much GnR as Axl is. He owns Appetite. So much of what makes that album great is Slash. He did what Axl now has 3 guys trying to do. I'm not taking anything away from them they all have their strong points but Slash had the whole package. Tell me after watching the clips from the Ritz show that you didn't get this big shit eating grin and say to yourself Thats the GREATEST BAND EVER.? As good as the new band may become with time it can never be what GnR were. Damn I miss those days. :'(

you're preaching to the choir.... Yes the show was great last night, anyways it's all past tense talk when gnr is mentioned on these shows..
ritz was fucking awesome, all the guys played their parts in the band.. Wttj was great, you can watch any ritz you like on youtube if you get bored..

Why wasn't I born in the 60s or 70s so I could see the original lineup? :'( :crying:

If people like those bands new material, good for them.  My point (that again you missed) was they the new material for these bands has been completely under the radar, the masses probably don't even know that those guys are still alive!  I was a HUGE 80s hard rock fan and I've never heard any of these bands new material (but was a fan of most of their old 80s stuff).  Now compare that to Guns who have only had leaks and bootlegs out since their last studio album - the buzz around this band is 1,000,000 time bigger then anything quiet riot has done since 1991 or Jani Lane's solo projects  :rofl:  When CD drops it will sell more in one month then all of the aformentioned bands have sold combined since 1995 through today.  GNR is still relevant, those bands are not.  Brett Michaels does these shows to look back fondly on the times while Axl is busy making music that matters TODAY (and hes been busy for a very long time hehe!) THAT is the point I was making.

And why you felt the need to bring up Slash and VR I don't know - I wasn't even thinking about Slash/VR b/c they are putting out music that IS relevant and popular.  If you want to talk about Axl vs. Slash/VR there are DOZENS of other threads to do so in.  This thread was about the VH1 show, not the old band vs. the new band.

I'm not going to dignify Pig Vomit's post with a response.  Hanna, I could care less if new Poison songs are relevant to the masses or not.  They're good songs, and they're relevant to me.  That's all I care about.  Of course the buzz around GN'R is much bigger.  That's because GN'R was the greatest band ever...as crazymfer so accurately put it.  What's relevant to me may not be relevant to you, and vice versa.  Also regarding Poison, they still play large venues, and their new greatest hits debuted in the Top 20 on the charts.  So I guess their music is still pretty relevant to a great deal of people if they still get that kind of response.  And regarding that VH1 special...seeing those old pictures and the old concert footage friggin' kills me.  It makes me think of what could have (and should have) been.  They should still be ruling the world.  And they would be if that band was still together.

Ahhh, now we're getting somewhere ;)   When I say relevant, I don't mean to me or to you, i mean to the masses.  and lets face it, those bands are nothing today, sad but true.  A greatest hits album isn't new material either btw.

yes, it is sad that old guns still isn't together, but its been that way for almost a decade!!!!!  Time to let go and move on.  For me personally, the rock scene is horrible right now.  You say GNR WAS the biggest band ever, I say they are poised to regain that title.  poison, motley, warrant and other bands like that will NEVER have a chance to be big again.  You and me could form a band and have a chance at that title b/c the rock music scene is so pitiful these days (I have a pretty good voice too hahaha).

Motley Crue sold out show after show on thier last tour and they played 20,000 seat arenas(I personally hate MC). Yet a big deal is made that Axl sold out a 3000 person club. Just because we're GnR fans doesn't mean we should be blinded by the recent emargence of Axl and say these bands are nothing. They have thier Die Hards just like GnR does. 80's metal was a movement that GnR HELPED move into the mainstream. And while these other bands kept chugging along trying to reinvent themselves and stay relivent in the age of grunge and Nu-Metal Axl took his ball and went home, Only to return when metal was mounting a comeback(ie. Godsmack,Tool,RHCP having #1 albums recently) Axl can make this return extremly triumphent but he will never be as big as he once was. He's burned too many people too many times and a few sub-par leaks isn't gonna bring them back. I for one have been waiting for CD way too long for it to have the type of impact AFD had.

Whens the last time motley had a hit record/single?  I'm not talking about concerts.  Motley is more well known today for the sex tapes and vince neil/tommy lee reality shows then for their music.

yeah i know they worked on nirvana/aic/soundgarden parts.... i guess the show was too long and they had to cut stuff out. it was wierd how they skipped that 5 years.

very wierd, considering how HUGE of an impact the grunge era had on killing rock.  grunge was also a reflection on the times - they sucked.  but as soon as things turned around in real life, people didn't want to listen to the angsty/depressing songs and music started to be fun again.  they also completely ignored how r&b and hip hop got so big and began to dominate the music scene.  I'm glad they ignored all the 2000+ "rock" though.  Closing out with papa roach and good charlotte would have been depressing haha.

why you aren't happy getting to see the cover band :hihi: Maybe it's better, then you'd have to watch axl and friends after knowing the real gnr your entire life...

Axl does sound great though..

They didn't touch on Nirvana and such because grunge isnt really considered metal. 

basically nirvana is what killed that era so... I never liked labels, I always though of AIC as metal, not grunge..

I love these metal shows.. :beer:

I think a key component of grunge/alternative is the lack of any real guitar solos or intricate guitar work.  A LOT (not all) of those bands couldn't play half as well as even the most average of hair bands could. 

I'm happy to see Axl, but to see Axl,Slash,Izzy,Duff and Steven (or Matt..?) would be a dream come true? :drool:
Isn't it hard to see old footage and stuff? It's for me, and I am a pretty new fan..

Last summer Motley had two hit singles.  If I Die Tomorow got tons of airplay, and so did the video for the song.  Sick Love Song wasn't as big, but it still got some decent airplay as well.  Red, Whie & Crue charted at #6, and it was a 2 disc compilation.  I'd bet any amount of money when they put out their new album (sometime next year probably) it debuts in the top 5.  In fact, I guarantee it will debut at at least #2 on the charts.  Just because you didn't continue to follow these bands, that doesn't mean no one else does.

well said.

"hit singles"????  Out of curiousity, which charts are you talking about?  The billboard "mainstream rock tracks"??? HAHAHAHAHAHHA Gimme a break.  Thats a JOKE and you know it.  The billboard top 100 is what matters.  I hardly call that a "hit".  "Oh my god" was on that chart too and that song was NOT a hit.  Infact it sucks.

Red, white and crue did well, but it was a best of - it sold on the OLD songs, not the 1,2 new tracks on the disc.  Infact, the album review on billboard.com for Red white and crue starts out with this line "Despite not having had a hit since the late '90s,"   Give me a break dude.  YOU might like the crue still, but the only song you're going to hear on mainstream radio is "home sweet home" when they are doing an 80s weekend or something.

That's total BS, dude.  I hear the Crue on the radio all the friggin' time.  Its also amazing that you know exactly why people bought Red, White & Crue.  I already had all the old songs on it.  The main reason I bought it was the new stuff which I wanted to hear.  You really don't know what you're talking about hear.  The band has been on the road for more than a year playing to packed arenas, and a 2 disc compilation with only 3 new tracks on it went to #6 on the charts.  That shit doesn't happen to bands who do not still have a very significant following.

You're missing the big picture here dude.  Obviously the crue still has a decent sized fan base, they prob have some new fans too with all of the off stage stuff that neil and tommy have done, but they are not a big band anymore, their time has come and gone, just as 90% of all the other 80s bands have.  I was saying how to me, Guns is different b/c when CD drops it will be popular amongst the mainstream, not just die hard guns fans.  I don't think there are any casual Crue, Poison, Warrant fans out there, not many at least.  You do not hear any NEW motley songs on poplar radio, maybe classic rock stations or places like that, but not on the same stations that play new U2, kanye west and other music that is popular TODAY.  You DEFINITELY don't hear the latest Warrant and Dokken tracks on mainstream radio either.

I'm glad you are a big motley fan, I like some of their stuff too, but its just not nearly as big as it was.

Funny.? I've never heard either of them.? Then again, Motley Crue isn't played on any of my local rock radio stations, barring those "Rock of Eighties" special programs (which, at best, would mean the Crue are played five times a week).

Well of course Crue's not as big as they were.  I'm not quite sure what constitutes a "big band."  I think a band that has done what Motley has done in the past year and a half is pretty big.  If Axl ever gets CD out it will most likely make a bigger manstream splash than Motley.  But I don't think there'll be as big a difference as many of the people around here may think.  I think many of you have trouble separating your perceptions from reality.  Axl is an amazing performer, and in my opinion the greatest frontman of all time.  That being said, until he gets back with the old band, his best days and biggest successes are behind him as well.  I'm sure CD will probably go to #1 and sell a few million copies in the US.  But if you're expectig any more than that I believe you're gonna wind up dissapointed.