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im not sure if this has been posyed before, i couldnt find it on search, so here goes

Does anyone in here think that Chinses Democracy will have as much of an impact on the music world as AFD did??

which the band being silent for the best part of 15years, and not being the same band as in 87, do you think the album will have a massive impact and go on to be a classic like AFD??

i sure hope it does, the material i hear is good, but im unsure IMO wether its groundbreaking like AFD material was

We don't know what will be on the final disc of CD so it's an extremely difficult question to answer.

no, that would be impossible. ?BUT, i do think that chinese democracy will give rock a good kick in the ass. ?

As much as I would love it to be (and it may be to me) lol, it won't to a general audience

Something that has not been released

Vs

Something that has been out for nearly 20 years.

I'll judge when I get CD in my hands. Right now, I can't say anything sensible. Well, saying something sensible is always quite rough for me anyways  :-\

Yeah hopefully.

Although on all fronts having been matured and evolved, this band is as fresh and energetic as the band that brought out AFD in 87.

its tough to compare this great album to something that hasnt been released.  Theres no doubt in my mind that CD will be great, it will be better then anything released in teh past few years.  It will be that good, but it will also be vastly different then CD and thats what everyone needs to keep in mind.

I would like to CD have the impact the AFD did but, since we don't have it yet, it's very hard to say but with songs like Better and TWAT, and to a lesser extent IRS....it sure has potential

I think the album will sell extremely well but only because of the GNR name. I personally think the demos and leaks are average at best when compared to today's standards but they suck when compared to AFD or UYI. I'm sorry, I'm just not enjoying the demos and leaks.

I sat here by the computer for like 2 hours the other day just playing the demos and setting the player on 'repeat all'. I tried to like the demos and leaks- I really did but it just wasn't happening..... Even my bro came in and asked what I was listening to because he was getting annoyed from hearing the same tracks over and over. When I told him it was the 'new' GNR he just shook his head and said, 'Damn, this sucks.... Axl's finally lost it. Letting the original guys go was a mistake'. In all honesty, I do agree with him.

These songs just aren't that good in my opinion (and obviously, my brother's). When it comes to GNR he and I expect a level of excellence. We expect something that will blow everything out of the water, not something that will only compete with everything in the water. Hey, who knows? These are only demos. Maybe these songs will get HUGE overhauls before the final release comes out.

Appetite will never be topped

I think its possible that CD may usher in a new area of popularity for rock music.

Part of the impact that AFD had was that it was a new band - new shocks, new aesthetic, new tabliod potential...
The new band doesn't have that to anything like the same extent, and so they can't really compete with the old guns in terms of personality related impact.

As for the music.... well, as has been said, you can't really tell until we actually have the record, but it will at the very least invigorate classic rock, though I suspect it will not bring it to a new era of dominance.

axl can never beat his AFD record. it's too good!

Its madness to even suggest it could top Appetite. It just wont have the spirit or the hunger of AFD. How can you make a kick ass record when youve been living in a Malibu mansion for 13 years not doing anything but checking how many mill youve got in the bank or wondering when your next surgery appointment is due?? In the 80s Guns had something to say and life experieces to document, be they good or bad. Axl just seems content to write some piano rock about some bird that upset him many years ago. This isnt Keane Axl, its Guns N Roses! Remember them?!

Obviously no one can comment fully till it comes out, but the fact that so many members, so many years and so many dollars have rolled by that this wont be the spontaneous kick up the ass rcok and roll or even music in general needs.

Guns was about 5 guys living in a squat working hard and struggling to survive and having shit thrown at them in their lives. Sorry but Rock N Roll to me is comradeship, not hired hands, and actually have to live the lifestyle.

It may well be great but it wont have heart.

Flame away!

That's a good point, actually.  I hadn't really thought about it that way before.

Yes and it's also popular that CD bombs terribly and is forgotten the next day.

You can't tell anything until the record is actually out but chances of it coming anywhere close to the quality, impact and sales numbers that AFD had are slim to none.

Quality - AFD was one of the best albums of all-time. Every song from Welcome to The Junlge to Rocket Queen kicked ass. The songs were real rock, they were about Sex, Drugs and just the hard rock life. Axl doesn't have that anymore he's been sleeping on millions in his malibu mansion.

Impact - Appitie was mean, sleezy, raw and just kicked the ass of all the make up wearing faggots of hair metal. It blew up into something that was being compared to the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. CD however is being released in a time in which Rock N' Roll is dieing and it doesn't seem like a bunch of piano power ballad epics will be able to bring it back. It looks like it will take the exact oppisite, another AFD.

Sales Numbers - Last time a hard rock band released an album that went more then 5x platnium the roses on Kurt Cobains grave were still red. Chinese Democracy will come no where close to the numbers AFD put up. Ever. That is unless Axl sells the rights to the album to Britney Spears and lets her make all the songs more poppy. Then it might stand a chance of going 3x Platnium +.

bad taste must run in the family... but don't worry, you'll be eating your words soon enough! : ok:

Sales-wise? No way, it's simply impossible.

Quality-wise? It's possible.

AFD, as much as I love it, and as much it gets put up on an untouchable pedestal, has two weak tracks that could've easily been left off (You're Crazy and Anything Goes).

If Chinese Democracy manages to squeeze 13 tracks of amazingness on there (not saying it will, just "if"), it'll be a better record than AFD in my eyes.

CD doesnt have to sell as well or be as good as AFD to remind people of how good rock n roll is.

I still think itll sell fucking well - there are vocal opponents like yourself but I think Axl has a massive market for CD that is fairly silent.

I'll take those two "weak" tracks over any of the leaks we've heard any day.

Same as that mate. Great songs in my opinion.

'bad taste must run in the family... but don't worry, you'll be eating your words soon enough!'

- Oh man that wasn't cool.... Well, I guess my retort would be that it's not bad taste that runs in the family, it's blind devotion that DOESN'T run in the family.? :yes:

Both does song are much better than 'I.R.S' and 'Chinese Democracy'.
Though I find 'Better' and 'There Was A Time' to be better than You're Crazy and Anything Goes.
It could swing both ways, if they leave I.R.S and CD off the record. Oh, and I'm not too sure of Madagascar either...

Are you serious?

Anything Goes > There Was a Time, The Blues, Catcher in the Rye, Better?


That's ludicrous IMO, but "it's alright..."

I don't like Anything Goes... IMHO:

Anything Goes > Twat
Anything Goes = Catcher In The Rye
Anything Goes < I.R.S., Better
You're Crazy > Catcher In The Rye, Twat
You're Crazy < Better, I.R.S.

Until they change the chorus "Twat" is the worst thing Axl has ever done... Worse then My World. The rest of the song is decent but that chorus is the worst attempt at anything ever.

:hihi: :rofl: :hihi: that made me laugh so much :rofl:

Appetite won't be topped ever...period.

another reason it'll never be topped (besides being usually names top 5 rock albums ever, a must own for any starting rock fan) is this band is not like the old one, there's no danger no younger kids buying the record in spite of their parents.. Old gnr were guys in their mid to early twenties with a cause.. It would be like the sex pistols today, who cares that cause & attitude is long gone.. Music isn't the only part that sells it's the make up of the band..

I'm honestly blown away by that chart - But hey, your opinion is respected all the same.

I think I'll wait until CD is released before judging it and measuring it against other albums.  I know it sounds crazy, but I like to actually hear albums before I make up my mind about them :hihi:

How else are you gonna kill 14 years?

I have hobbies  :smoking:

Tastes differ. Unreleased or not,

I'd take Better and IRS over any song on AFD without a morsel of hasitation.

Chinese Democracy > AFD

I don't think that we could compare these albums but it's very possible for CD to have similar impact on the music... not  so for its songs but as it s the most expensive and talked about album all these years

Wow. Just wow.
either you're not a real GN'R fan or your just a little too high on Axl.

What drugs are you on??!!! Cant be very good ones if they cause that extreme level of irrational thinking.

Some people amaze me. I suppose that you also think that 'Invisible Kid' by Metallica rules more than anything on Master of Puppets.

Reading this board sometimes just makes me wanna weep.

I really can't understand how anybody can say the CD demos are better than AFD at this point. In my opinion, with the exception of the Chinese Democracy song, itself, and TWAT the demos and leaks would be better than AFD if you're into pop or pop rock music.

You can never beat Appetite. I don't mean to be pessimistic, but it won't beat UYI either.
Although I know one thing's for sure, it'll be better than The Spaghetti Incident (not that those were GN'R's songs) ;D

GNR have always been a pop rock band, so I don't quite see the logic there...

 :no:

see this is real scary. This is like bordering on bad obsession, stalking. You sure ur not a single white female u know like the movie

Its posts like these that lead me to believe the new GNR fans here (well a majority) are obsessed so much with Axl that they're blinded from reality. Its quite scary actually u know like a stalker kinda scary  :nervous:

Um... That's random.

Anyway, I think that There Was a Time and The Blues are stronger than many songs off of AFD, so he's/she's not alone.

Madness, sheer madness......

Not random when u see such an idiotic remark. Its the remarks of an idiot, or the remarks of a crazy obsessed fan that would tell Axl with a straight face that his crap smells like roses. Its quite scary seriously its psychotic & blind to wats going on

By the way, she said they're better than ALL THE SONGS on AFD, not many songs. But even so, that would be incorrect. Maybe a few songs, but many songs? maybe u r deluded since the music is relatively new it sounds better but come back in a year or 2 & u may feel different. Example Contraband i considered a 9 outta 10 album from Velvet Revolver, but after a year or 2 of listening its more like a 7.

Better is a great song, I.R.S. is decent enough, T.W.A.T. is good if a bit too lengthy. But to say these songs are better than Welcome to the Jungle, It's So Easy, Mr Brownstone, Nightrain, Paradise City, Sweet Child O'Mine & Rocket Queen is ludacris

Better is a robin song still you say Axl. A Band is not a one person.
And I'm a fan of this band and the music. That the reason I'm here.

Who is obsessed with Axl?  The stalker is YOU.

What is a real fan? Do your expecting the band not to surpass the past, hating everything it does or doesn't and hoping it bad luck make you a real fan? If so, then I'm happy to be counted out.

Lol im not obsessed at all im a big Axl fan & support his new band same as im a big fan of the rest of the ex-members. I however dont get redicolously close to kissing Axl's ass like u & others seem to do. Part of that is saying that this new band is better than the oldband which is so wrong on so many levels. Go write to Dr Phil or a psychiatrist coz u need help

For the love of God, people have their OWN opinions, accept it! :confused:

If you don't like it, fine, but don't come and say the same stupid things over, over, over, over, over, over, over and over again.

Cut the crap already. I haven't ever kissed any part of him let alone his ass and I never will.


When I got to your state and can't talk without insulting the people with different view, I will. Thank you very much.
Your arrogance is totally beyond me.
My heart depends on me. You can't force your opinion on me.

I wasn't a huge fan of any paticular band till I heard Chinese Democracy.
So I don't undestand you and others  kinda "love to hate" obsession that verges on abnormality toward Axl or anyone.

I do like the old band (one of classic bands) albeit - when I see the old GNR I can't help but focus only on your dear ol Axl but when I see new band I look at every member. it's a fan mentality, I guess.

Same here. I was looking for something different, and I stumbled upon live versions of Madagascar and Chinese Democracy, and I became fascinated with the new band.

As much as I like the old band, I'm a new GNR fan at heart - Their songs just mean more to me.

This topic,like every topic in GNR world, has been discussed  ad naseum, but hey, at  least you tried. The answer is that nothing will ever top AFD.

from my opinion, I think its imposible to do another AFD and he shouldnt,it wouldnt be honest for someone in there 40's to do an album about being living the wild rock life style and being hungry to make it and get out of the streets or the jungle,hes not in the jungle anymore he became sucessful and thats why the Illusions sound much difference which I apreciate for the art it is and amazing songs like Estranged,November Rain,Dont Cry,Civil War etc.,those songs are some of there best and you can put in a good argument for them being there best,those songs were complex and smart and beautiful long epics,an artist shouldnt be one dimensional and one style thats when you get dated and people become bored of hearing them same album time after time,I hope this album is as diverse as the leaks,thats what makes it exciting is something new,fresh,exciting,different and honest,it wouldnt be honest if he wrote AFD part 2 living in Malibu it would be sad to see someone try to hang on to the past for fans and hes above that so he dosnt need to,this album will be awesome in a whole different way considering it will sound much different,the guy writes great songs about what hes going through and I enjoy listening to the honest and insight his music has into his life that maybe you can relate to if you understand what hes getting at or going through

Agreed, and the acoustic track of Your Crazy on Lies is 10x's better than the electric version on AFD

Better and IRS better than anything on AFD? Ok... I understand people have their opinions and stuff but I think that's going a little overboard. I personally hate the demos/leaks and to compare them or even put them in the same league as anything from AFD is insane. That's only my opinion of course.

I see a little trend here..
The older people who have followed GNR far longer and pretty much grew up on there music are offended by anyone saying that Chinese Democracy will be anything close to as good as AFD

The Younger people seem to be into the "New GNR" and think that CD will be greater then AFD, this makes sense seeing as the songs they heard from Chinese Democracy are new and fresh..

IMO no one can say one way or another, yes we've all heard a few track leaks from Chinese Democracy but the only ones who know what songs will end up on the CD when it comes out are GNR and to base your opinion of a CD on 4 or 5 songs which may not even make the cut seems a bit messed up. I absolutely love Better, I.R.S, T.W.A.T., Chinese Democracy.. hell pretty much all the leaks i've heard, but AFD is better at this point in time.. until Chinese Democracy comes out anyway, then we can all judge for ourselves : ok:

I'm a younger fan who got into the band in 2002.  Unless there's like 10 songs none of us have heard yet that are way better than the leaks we have heard already...than there's no way CD will be anywhere close to Appettite.  The leaks are pretty decent songs, but if the same songs were put out by someone other than Axl Rose then most of you wouldn't be nearly as into them as you are.  CD is shaping up to be a pretty good album.  Appettite is widely considered to be one of the greatest rock albums ever released.  You're kidding yourself if you think CD will even be in its league.

As much as i disagree and think you're fucking crazy :hihi:

thats you r opinion an everyone's entitled to one ;D

no matter how misguided :rofl: j/k