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So it appears (as per Axl) that 'Better' is a Robin Fink song. Assuming that he meant Robin wrote it, do you think that has any bearing on whether or not 'Better' could be one of the "Big Guns" previously suggested exist? Seems to me that anything written by anyone else besides Axl would be concidered as filler. Not that I mean to suggest the rest of the band can't or shouldn't write, but that Axl's songs, his babies that he's had for years are more likely the songs that would be concidered as the "Big Guns."

Either way...if 'Better' is not a "Big Gun," I think we're in for one hell of an album(s) as that song rocks!

Robin wrote the music, Axl wrote the lyrics and vocal melodies which is pretty apparent

It's one of the Big Guns.

I got home from NY singing that fuckin song all day long Friday. I love it

i sing it all the time anyway and ive not heard it live yet i have to wait until the 7th june

yeah its obviously writen by axl lyrically, guess robin did the music.

After all, before he lends his talents to others' projects, Rose has one of his own to finish, and he says it's getting there. "We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album. Among Rose's favorites are "Better," "There Was a Time" and "The Blues."

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1529



/jarmo

he sure does like the new songs cause of the expression on his face, he puts his hand to his chest at times and as if he's telling a story that he'd be telling you one on one, thats what I love about Live shows. I'm really glad he's back. 

I've read an article last year somewhere in this forum or sp1at, ones that are considered "big guns" are
Prostitute, TWAT, Catcher in the Rye and This I Love.

Don't know if it is true, we just have to wait for CD to come out.

i havent got anyway of listening to the 'leaked' tracks, so come axl send me a copy of CD, i wont pirate it i swear.......

axl
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axl........

oh well, was worth a try  :hihi:

as good as it is, i think they have better songs up their sleeves and its not one of their very best!

Its not like anyone bar the musicians involved know, but from the interviews sp 1 at did with Brain and producers the best songs are The General and Prostitute. They are the ones that were consistently mentioned and hinted at.

I just find it extra strange that Axl mentions Better and TWAT and a few weeks later they are all over the internet. That is not a coincidence.

I don't like any of the new tracks/demos but if anything I'd say Better would probably be the strongest track out of them.

on the 12th after the song he did say something along the lines of "its gonna piss you the hell off when i say that was just a warm up song isnt it?" :hihi:

he actually said this?? what does he mean by that??

i thought all songs, except for the ones played in 2001/2002, are big guns, since axl is holding them back........

anyways.... it`s a matter of taste....

chinese democracy starts now...

I thought the same GNFNR.
And yes WARose, it's a matter of taste, difinitely. :yes:


Why, the big guns are not necessarily written by Axl. No point.
They'd use any good idea from anyone in the band.
It's band work, the collaboration of the 8 of them with axl being the producer like Tommy said.

Axl himself stated it wouldn't be an Axl Rose Album.

It's definitely a big gun.

It's a big gun, you can count on it. Anyone who says otherwise is being foolish. As great as the album should be, it's quite possible that 'Better' will be one of the top 3 tracks of the album...

"big guns" i think refers to the 2002 detroit wrif interview when axl says that the songs played on the 2002 were songs that he wasnt even considering for singles, and that they were holding the "big guns" for when the album is coming out. I don't think "better" is single material, "twat" probably is, "catcher in the rye" is and im guessing thats why they arent playing it live now

didn't Axl say Better was one of his favorites aka The Rolling Stone interview

If "BETTER" is not concidered as a big gun then the world is not ready for CD. ::)
It would cause physical pain to listen to something two or five times better than "BETTER".

If BETTER is not a big gun i think a lot of us hardcore idiots will not survive the first hearing of the album... Spontanious headexplosions and uncontrollable multiple ejaculaton would be the consequence!!

Man, i don't even dare to think that this is not a big gun  : ok:

I wonder what the term "Big Gun" means  anyway. Does  it mean it will be popular single? Does it mean it is good to listen to, musically catchy? Does it mean the song is personal? Does it mean it is fun to play? Until the term is defined I don't see how there  can be any understanding of whether Better is a big gun or not.

I guess my point in all this is that Axl MUST have some songs that he's written himself and has been holding onto for a LONG time (and don't say 'ALL these songs were written a long time ago') and there must be a select few that are concidered his 'babies'. I would tend to believe that it would be songs such as these that he conciders to be among his 'Big Guns' rather than a song that was brought into the band as a second thought.

Let me be clear...I really like the song and think it could do well as a single and I think the fact that they are playing says volumes of how they believe in these songs. However, the fact that it's 'a Robin song' (or however Axl put it) says to me that this is a song that he's not worried about spoiling us with before the album comes out. It's not THE song that is going to make the masses buy the album.

Who knows? I guess we will someday...

...which leads me to pose another question...

i think he means single material/comeback type songs when he said big guns. Better imo, is one of those songs. If they have another 2 songs on that level, the album will certainly blow me away

This is from the "Better discuss it in this thread" thread. Thanks to kujo.


better?

Who knows for sure

It sounds like a Real Big Fucking Gun to me, but maybe the other shit held back is even stronger

CITR is no Big Gun, for the record

Of course it's a big gun. All the leaks, The Blues and Madagascar are. They wouldn't play them if they weren't. Why would they play weak songs in the shows?

My theory is he just said so because he wasn't sure how they would be welcomed by the media (and his former bandmates and all the people whose opinion matters to him in a way or another). You have to remember that he has felt enormous pressure to deliver big time and to top UYIs and to show he was the creative force of the original band.

In 2001/2002 they just didn't have more big guns than The Blues and Madagascar ready so they played Silkworms and other fillers. Chinese Democracy is okay though but not a big gun. Maybe they also liked to test the audience's reactions with Silkworms, but to be honest, it's totally crap.

Better just reeks Buckethead. I have VERY hard time to believe it's a "Robin song". Axl sounds very obnoxious saying it with nasal voice on the bootleg of 15th day show. Probably just wants to hurt Buckethead knowing BH won't defend himself publicly. I know they didn't separate in best terms but it doesn't sound very nice. Of course I'm not sure if it's Robin or BH song but it's clear that Robin could not play that song even if his life depended on it.

Better could be my favorite NEW GnR song.  I like all the leaks a lot minus Catcher in the Rye.  Better rocks, but does sound like Bucket plays a large role in the leaked version.

Better is the better of all the new songs, it's by far the betterest song they have put out or leaked or sang live.. it makes songs like cd seem weak..

Better is a Robin song.

I believe it was stated and/or implied that none of the 2001-02 tracks are a) "big guns" b) future singles.


To get feedback on them. To not let singles-to-be be spread on the net 5 years before release. To not let top songs on CD to be spread on the net 5 years before release.

Make sense?  :o

That is a bad theory since TWAT and CITR were both written in 1999 and were there when they were touring from 2000-2002.

As for Better being a robin song, why would axl say anything to hurt BH when brain is still in the band? Robin wrote most of the music to the new gnr songs esp since he has been in the band since 1998. Robin also wrote the music to TWAT and the solo for the blues.

And what are  you talking about robin could not play that song if his life depened on it? just listen to his songs on TWAT they are amazing. I am really tired of people bashing robin. Robin is a great guitar player, I am not sure when some of you are going to realize that. If he was not great he would not have had Axl and Trent both fighting over him.

No way these leaked tracks are the big guns. If you believe that your on crack! Better is good. IRS is umm good it grew on me after awhile. TWAT CITR is hard to tell at this time.

Honestly you all know it as well as I do if these are the big guns then CD isn't gonna be a huge huge hit.

to me Better and TWAT, are big fucking guns, and if theyre not, then CD really will be the greatest album ever.  because Better and TWAT are better songs then anything that has been played on the radio in the past few years

Atlas Shurrged is a big gun it will be the first single. im telling ya the nice kick to the balls rock needs.

I don't know, why would Axl leak a Big Gun? Wouldn't he want to save best for last? Instead of letting us hear the best, then we think the rest is filler?

thats the Exact way i dont think this is one of the big Guns... even if it is hard to belive, cos the song ROCKS SO DAMN HARD!  : ok:

what are you talking about dude??

Yeah, it would make no sense to play the best stuff live and leak the best stuff on the internet. I have a feeling there's better stuff on there that hasn't been released yet. If not(which I doubt) it's still great music. :yes:

If "Better" isn't the catchiest, most solid song on the album, then Chinese Democracy is not only going to live up to the hype, but will exceed expectations...very, very, excited.

Finally,  just heard "Better" today!

That song is catchier than anything the ex-gunners have put out in the last 3 years--minus the goofy highpitched beginning and garage band sounding sped-up parts.  DAMN!

I hope it's not a Robin Fink song, beacuse it sounds head and shoulders above the other leaked demos and live "new" stuff.  and I'm pretty sure most of the album will be Axl's lyrics and melodies.

I was actually going to give Axl a compliment on the lyrics, but if they're not his than I won't.  "Better call the IRS????"

The beat kicks ass and the meaner guitar parts sound a lot like a riff Slash plays(Rock Superstar and some other place?)--that's what's missing from the other songs they sound too much like Steve Vai or old 80's guitar wizard rock that never really caught on--it's all too high.  Hopefully the album has more of a range with the guitars. so far (except for Better) they sound like the guitar in Nov. rain and estranged or bad VAN HALEN

They are Axl's lyrics.  He meant it was a Robin song in the sense of the music.

On the 15th, Axl said (something like) "When I came up with the words for this song, the smartass side of me thought this was the better song"

I think the leaks are big guns...Maybe not IRS..even though I like it as well.  I think Better is a big gun and Axl sounds incredible on the demo, IMO.  Hearing TWAT live on the 12th was amazing.  I like TWAT better live than the demo...Axl's voice at the end of the TWAT live was Fantastic!

Didn't someone on GnR mangement say IRS wasn't even close to being the best? Or something along those lines?

Merck told madison from mygnr.com that IRS is on their top 10.