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Didn't Axl once say he doesn't play it because its an Izzy song, if they're getting along you think he'd add that to the list...especially when Izzy showed up. I personally think estranged is one of the best GnR songs.

He probably didn't want to play it.

The old band complained that it was a very difficult song to play; I would imagine the new guys have enough to worry about covering the old AFD plus NR + YCBM than to tackle that monstrously difficult epic.

He probably wanted Bumblefoot to learn the same catalog he had the other guys learn back in 2002. I am hoping before they return to the United States in September, that they have at least expanded the catalog to include 4 more Illusion songs... I don't care which ones.

On top of those it would be nice to get a couple more Chinese Democracy tracks rotated in too. :peace:

nah,he said that about Don't Cry,but anyway maybe they'll play it at some point,who knows  :beer:

Because Slash is Slash.

Songs they should play in my opnion are:
Dont Cry
Civil War
Estranged
Coma

Heeeeellllll no!

That's Slash's song!

I do definitely agree with the three others. Those 4 are easily 4 of my favourite GN'R songs but they seriously cannot play Coma. That would really piss on Slash's legacy in GN'R and its something I'm totally against.

So...?

Axl is Axl.
Duff is Duff.
Robin is Robin.
Richard is Richard.
Tommy is Tommy.
I am myself.
You are yourself.
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What's the point?

coma, one of their best that i would love to see live!!

Well if he dragged the lies songs out of the catolog its NE thing is possible.  Especially if Slash pulled an izzy.

what do you mean when you say its an "izzy song". izzy had nothing to do with the song. axl wrote it.

They will not go back to playing estranged. It eats too much time out of the setlist, besides, now that they have CD material to rotate into the sets they have more than enough staples they are required to play. We will never see NR and Estranged in the same set again, and he has to play NR because it was the biggest hit of the Illusions period. There are just too many other songs to play, and adding another 10 minute song to an already crowded setlist is just overkill.

i thought i heard somewhere that Axl said its an Izzy song thats why he wouldnt play it...

anyway yesterdays and 14 years would kick ass live too

i agree with the exception of dont cry, i dont care anymore about that song.  i noticed gnr was playing 5 new songs and 4 uyi songs, they should cut back the afd songs, and add some more CD and UYI songs

I thought every thing was a GNR song and since Axl is gnr he should just play it right? I wish he would play it!

correct

the live version of estranged on Live 87-93 sounds awesome.

I keep seeing people say this, but what song would you cut? Other than Out to get Me, there is really no Appetite song to take out of the set. Think about you has been cut, and RQ only played at a few shows. The rest are staples of any GNR concert, and keep the crowd's energy level up, as they will always get people on their feet because of their longevity. Until the new material has been released and had a few years to filter, the Appetite stuff will be needed to keep the place from becoming stagnant.

maybe axl could get on stage 10 minutes early and play estranged

They Play Sweet Child O' Mine.

So?

I forgot where I read this, but there was an article in 02 about Estranged.  I remember in the article Axl said that Estranged would never be played in concert again due to Slash not being in the band. I believe that I read it on this website.

axl said something in the trunk interview about not liking the trilogy videos anymore...i think he plays some of the songs for the fans...november rain he has to play...and i think the new band picked songs that they liked playing "think about you"...etc...but i imagine by the fall we'll be getting less old stuff, the euro tour will be variations on what was played in new york...and when they get back to the us, we'll get a single before the album and some more new songs...thats the best bet i believe

They simply can't pull some songs off. You'll probably never hear nuGNR (or old, if they re-unite) play songs like Coma, Estranged, Breakdown, Civil War (this one you may hear at some point in the future, but also doubtful) or Locomotive. They're just too hard, and even the old band didn't always do a great job with them live.

I'd like to see them play Locomotive or Pretty Tied Up

can I just ask a question to be answered honestly, why does everyone like Coma so much?  Estranged is my all time favorite song by any band, and whenever a "what songs should they play" debate starts, 99% of the people want Coma and Estranged...but why Coma?  I cant get into it.  I think the speaking samples take away from the song, I think a lot of the lyrics arent Axls best and its longer than it needs to be.  Now Im not saying this just to start a fight and I feel like im in the minority here, but if anyone can tell me why they really like Coma that would be great just so maybe I can understand better.   thanks.

Just to confirm: Estranged is an AXL song NOT an Izzy song. It says it right there in the UYI booklet.
Pretty Tied Up would be cool to hear live again but that is an Izzy song.

no gnr song is 'too hard' to play live. ?that's a bullshit excuse. ?give me a break...

while we're on this topic, is there any song that has never been played live?  perhaps 'my world'?

one in a million

yeah, because we've never heard anything that has made it look like nuGNR can't pull some songs off. ::) Finck and BH used to butcher Slash work all the time. 10 minutes is a lot of chords to memorize, the vocal range if tough for Axl at this age and state. Estranged and Coma need a guitar player like Slash or else they'd sound bad.

It would be awesome if it were really live. Axl's vocals were rerecorded and if you listen closely there's no Gilby.

So it preety much sucks, although Slash was awesome on it

Thats bullshit, Coma doesnt have that many chords, and Estranged has like 5

So it's not an excuse. The problem really is the lenght of these songs.. If you play November rain you can't play Estranged or Coma

One in a million was played at CBGB's in 1987.

there are 22 different chords used in coma..... so yeah there's not that many chords at all really are there.....

it's a 10 minute song with virtually no repeats. not easy to learn at all.

and estranged has 9.

LOL.

Bucket's work in 2001-2002 was solid. Sorry to disagree with you.

I love Coma

Thank you alan. Eduardo, think before you type buddy. They're HARD songs to play. Plus the solos in those would be tough to hand to Bumble since he just joined, and I'm not sure Finck or Fortus are quite good enough for them.

i dont think its a matter of toughness these are professional musicians... give em some time and they could learn anything its gotta be some other reason, anyway yesterdays seems easy to learn and that song would be awesome live

Mostly I meant finck. :hihi: I didn't want to start a fight, but I'll admit BH was better at the old stuff than Finck was. The new stuff....that's a different discussion.

Axl, for all his I-dont-give-a-fuck attitude, still displays a lot of sensitivity toward the reception of his songs.

Estranged got a lot of negative attention because of its video - maybe he just wants to put it behind him.

Haven't seen 'Estranged' video for ages, can't remember why it got negative responses.

My Picks:  Right Next Door To Hell
                Mama Kin
                Pretty Tied Up
                Used To Love Her
                So Fine
                Anything Goes

As far as MORE from the Chinese Democracy stuff..............ummmm......aren't they playing most of it already?
With the exception of TWAT being dropped, Riad & The Bedouins, and Silk Worms.

Estranged didnt get negative responses... it was great i agree but estranged was very sentimental to axl... its sort of like why doesnt he play Dont cry there both Sentimental... Thats my reasoning :beer:

Considered pompous and overblown. It featured Axl jumping off an oil tanker (? I think Behind the Music incorrectly called it an aircraft carrier) and swimming with dolphins.

Axl admitted he now thinks its corny when he talked with Eddie Trunk on the 5th.

It got negative responses because Axl swam with f*cking dolphins. That's not very "hard core".

Wow times change I guess. :-\

I dont think theyre anymore sentimental than November Rain - Axl said he would quit music if he didnt record that.

I heard that it was to difficult to learn.
It is a 10 minute song with a shitload of diffrent chords and two pretty complicated solo's that unfourtonetly for BH and BF you can't just tap your way through. Finck could probably play something to there effect (Maybe not the exact same solo but something that fits)

This is probably one of many questions people who've recently met Axl should've asked  :hihi:

Umm... it's an Axl song and Slash is the one who laid down the great solos...check the liner notes,

They don't play it because it is to difficult to play, ?that is why they didn't play it alot during the UYI tour, according to slash and gilby

SCOM was written for erin everly... thats gotta be sentimentel to in a way, granted its shitload more popular but he still plays that, he almost has too

Hold on.......let me go call Slash on my cell...............it's ringing

Ya... It's no use... These guys won't accept the fact that not every musician can play everything.
If the original GN'R had a hard time playing it how are these guys going to do it?

Damn..........he hung up on me, sorry guys.

I dunno I guess everyone should be happy he's at least getting on with already.....maybe......hopefully.

i think if the band justed leaned how to play the lies songs then maybe they need to lean the other UYI stuff just so they know how if they wanted to play out of the blue someday.

K... Bumblefoot Sweep picks way to much!
He really shouldn't play the solo's on emotional songs...

Sorry. I was going to type a big ol' post and then I heard him sweep through the outro in November rain and then forgot what I was going to post.

Yeah dude, I think Fortus should just dominate NR

Axl will not play Estranged anymore cos its too Slash

Agreed.
That is in no way a shot at Ron but it's not his style.

coz its old.... as new songs get released he will start dropping older songs and play new ones..... forget about Estranged... if you want to hear it live watch the old dvd's or videos... listen to live era 88-93... forget about estranged already

Well they play Sweet Child O' Mine and that solo is Slash's claim to fame.

SWCOM is a World known hit... every small country in the world knows this song.. thats how popular it is.... its not gonna be overlooked... Estranged is totaly different

I guess I see where your coming from.
But a song like Out Ta Get Me is also very Slash... I just think that it's to diffucult of a song to play.

Could someone tell me why they enjoy Double Talkin' Jive so much? I have tried and tried and can't seem to get into it whild I'm listening. I would like to know what you see in the song that is so awesome so I could get into it easier.

I'm with you... It's not that great.
But I think it's the whole attitude of the song.

I just love it for its pure fuck you attitude

you post at sludge dont you?

Well there you go.

thanks a lot for your contribution and yeah ive posted there a few times

i thought i recognize the screen name... btw why would someone elses opinions about a song make it "easier" to get into?  Do you really need some people on an internet board telling you whats good about a song or not?

what does this have to do with Axl playing Estranged?

i really just wanted to know what people see in it, it wasnt really for me, i just read on this post someone asking what they saw in Coma, and I wanted to know what ppl see in Double Talkin' Jive

I don't think Axl will ignore songs because he has respect for other members of the old band. He claims to BE Guns N Roses, so why would he not play a song because it's mainly by another member?

Like Jimbo said, the attitude in Izzy's voice is spot on.

While probably my fave guns song of all time, I don't think estranged would go over well in 2006 if it was played live.  Its a very long song, kinda slow - picturing it in the hammerstein setlists, it would just really kill the momentum of the shows I think.  Coma would be 1,000 times worse though.  I think with Estranged non die hards might know of it from the videos.  I've never heard a non die hard talk about coma.  Both songs are better played on your stereo then live in concert.  Personally, I would dig it to hear it live if axl's voice was 100% and he got really into it, but I don't think the masses would.

they ever do Garden of Eden? i was gonna suggest me and my buddy's start up[ band do it, but thought it too hard, so i pulled right next door... instead.

Imagine Estranged without Slash's lead parts replaced with ie. Bumblefoot. It just doesn't work.

Eh, Estranged (as much as I love it) would just be a momentum killer with a live show - Much like Madagascar and There Was a Time are. I love all three songs, but they aren't live necessities - They just hurt the energy in a live setting.

And as much as I love the new guys, I'll admit I don't particularly want to hear them try Estranged - I adore Slash's work on it as much as Axl's, and I'm fine with it being kept firmly in the past as a live song.


It'll always be perfect on UYI II, just as I hope There Was a Time will be on CD.

And you know that for certain..? Ever heard of it? I guess no so you can't say that.

nothing to do with slash i dont think he gives two shits about that fucker!

Dude!!! do you even have the cds?? in the Illusions, it?s under each song who wrote it.

something else...

would you guys  miss November Rain if it wasn?t played live for a couple of shows after 15 years of seeing it in every single GN?R concert, it?s just that having such a powerful balad as SCOM and a new kinda epic son in Madagascar, maybe NR could leave some room for other songs, wether are illusions? songs or appetite or whatever, but sometimes NR gets me pumped down. What do you guys think, i know it?s the greatest hit possibly, and probably will continue being played in every single concert, but maybe it could be laid to rest for a couple of shows, so to speak.

Hard to learn...? Give me a break.

This new bnd could play any GNR tune they wanted. The reason Estranged is not in the set is simply because Axl does not want to play it.

the end part of estranged was played in china last time they were there. look it up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaNq-HxZQQE&search=one%20in%20a%20million   :beer:

aww... I was expecting to hear Estranged on RiR... well if they won?t play it again then they can play So fine for me.

I just want them to play more Illusion songs, from what I've taken, all they've played is November Rain (which is a must) and Live and Let Die, that's pretty weak imo, I hope they try and switch in a few song like Locomotive, Estranged (prolly wont happen, Yesterdays, or possibly even CIVIL WAR :drool:

I honestly think he won't play songs that rely too heavily on a slash feel for the crowd to get into them.  Bends and stuff, could you imagin finck fincking up estranged so it sounded all noisy like kurt cobains solo's? 

That would suck.

Just think about his 2k1/2k2  november rain finck solos, and think about a whole song of That.

This goes the same vor civil war right below sir.

Fair enough Axl might not want to play Estranged cos of what Slash did for the song.

And he might not want to play Don't Cry as it was the first GnR song written and he might not want to play it for similar reasons to that.

But why not play other Illusion songs like Civil War, why not play Civil War.

seriously? ive never heard of this! what is your source???

For me Estranged is the greatest song ever written period! Not just by Guns n Roses. But there is obviously a damn good reason why Axl does not sing it any more, so lets just roll on to the new stuff! Mike

axl says it on one of the illusion dvds and Civil War might not happen because it is by far the most difficult GnR song and one of the most difficult in recent years, the only reason I can see them playing it is because they have 3 guitarists now

It wasn't Estranged, it was proven later to be some part of The Blues.

Thanks, that is kind of what i expected.

Don't be so sure.
The new band didn't like playing it cause it was such a pain to remember.
It's a bitch to learn.

I just can't believe that, especailly when Bucket was in the band.

Yeah it's a complex song but it isn't over the top hard, I bet the majority of skilled guitarist's on these boards can easily play it.

where did you hear that about the new band that they didn't like playing it?

one of the reasns i think that they didnt play estranged is because it is a really long song i mean dont get me rong i would have shit my self if they woulda playd it!!!

 i really wanted them to play it ?along with dont cry but it may have been b/c of the lenghth and it could not saying 4 sure ?but maybe the slash issue but like some other guy said

"Axl could probly give 2 shits" ...............

but i dono

 i wish they woulda played it ......................................... :peace:

 it woulda made my night!! and yeah it probly is a bitch to learn and remeber

Yes... But they don't have to memorize a shitload of other songs and play 'em infront of a crowd of 20,000.
Shredders like Buckethead and Bumblefoot are NOT as talented as you think. It's like spanish guitar... It sounds really impressive but it uses a bunch of tricks and special moves (i.e. Sweep picking and tapping) that make it sound alot harder then it really is. If you sit down for a few hours and concentrate soley on learning how to sweep pick... You'll have it down pat and tapping takes 2 seconds to learn...

Songs i'd like to see gone from the setlist

KOHD - Don't think it has a place with all the other ballads (NR, Patience, Madagascar)

LALD - cool song played live but this band has enough songs so they can do away with covers.

NR - only if they play TWAT -  too many ballads and lulls in the action.

But most of all - STOP WITH THE FUCKING GUITAR SOLO'S - HOLY SHIT 4 OF THESE FUCKERS IN ONE CONCERT (5-15) - COULD HAVE PLAYED 3 MORE SONGS AND KEPT MANY PEOPLE FROM SITTING DOWN.

Guitar solos - Axl has them solo so he can catch a break and rest his voice.  Slash said he never liked to solo but only did it so Axl could take a break..

They need to be more creative with there solos.

i dont think there is a "reason" actually, other then they had to choose
from hellofa lot GNR sangs, on what to play.. Maybe they will play it after a while
and maybe they will play other illusion songs also. but yet, it hasent been theyr priority
they cant play all the songs, and they cant change to much on the setlist eather so...

no he doesnt

Instead of soloing just jam, improvise. Or play a track off Village Gorilla Head!

I'd love for them to have other members sing parts of songs like they did on some illusions songs...   Or just have tommy sing a whole one like duff with attitude.

Yeah he does, on UYI1, watch it go to scene selections;Don't Cry; rewind a little to the end of Jungle and u'll hear it

"why do you think Axl didn't play estranged?"


I think Axl knows that only Slash is able to play it! Estranged is a special song and is necessary a special guitar man to play it. I guess we won?t hear this song anymore.
Perhaps if Slash back to Guns N? Roses again, what I don?t believe.

I know, I was at 5/15 and the solo's sucked and killed the momentum...1 or 2 is enough.  BUT the solo's are done, not for the sake of having the solo, but as a tool to give Axl time to rest.  He exerts so much energy he needs to take a breather every once in a while...so to fill that gap, they play solo's.  The old band did it too...it's not just a new thing...however, the solo's by Slash were obviously much better.  :yes:

I, like most guitarists hate doing unaccompinied solo's.
The only reason you do it is for the fans and sometimes (long setlists) to give the singer a break. I personally hate it cause:

a) All eyes are on you and if you fuck up it sucks. I've had 2 strings break mid-solo... So bad.
b) It just feels wierd not having anything to help you keep rythym and beat.

if you look at the blue booklet axl gave slash an extra special thanks for makin the kick ass guitar stuff in it.. ?:drool:
its def a slash song,