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If anyone owns either of the two shows mentioned in the subject line have your say right here and let me know what you are after in return.  I'm looking for good deals mainly.

ask johnm

HOB was so historical and such an important show. Now after these NY gigs it seems much less important and special. Can we get these shows out to share now?

me and a duded called scott

i have the vegas HOB show.  i thought pretty much everyone did.

nope, seems like a "rare" show :)

i think he meant the dvd

No one has the HOB DVD. A couple of people have the VMAs Rehearsals though. And they won't share it anyway.

i know the dude who 1st got it from mtv like the cbgb's. BUT every time i bring up trade or ask him what he wants for it i get shit out of him. I think its going to be hard to find the lastnight show to. Just because of want happen. But i know it was filmed.

someone does have that dvd and its a member here. Im not allowed to say who it is though.

And who cares about HOB 2001,when we have new tour 2006  :hihi: : ok:

the 1-1-01 show has poor quality in my opinion and axl's doesn't even compare to the hammerstein shows.

That's what you said about CBGB's...

Did I say that about the CBGB DVD? Honestly I can't recall but I wouldn't be surprised if I did. And that's still what I'm gonna say about the HOB DVD until I see some proof it's out there. No one ever gave proof it even exists.

But dvd is vcd sourced anyway.

EDIT:
I ment cbgb is vcd source.

Lol, those are the two most sought after items in any GnR fans collection. The VMA' rehurshal's do exist and possibly will leak out with time.

The 01-01-01 DVD, is either locked only in axl's basement or its under very very tight lock and key. There was a group of people shall we say that went a digging for it with some very very fine gold and came back with nadda.

No it isn't.  At least thats what the MTV guy says.  I believe he just didn't knwo exactly what he was doing when he copied it to DVD as he didn't know much about file sizes of DVD's and what not.

Well now that is interesting.  I can probaly make to guesses.  One starts with an J and the other starts with an L.

Stop making jackass statements because the picture is pixelated... I re-authored the DVD from the standalone - it was only 1.37GB or something like that... And it was about an hour long... So, do the math... A + B = C = Bad compression!!!

01.01.01 doesn't exist in video form... at least not in the hands of any fan. Its pretty much the holy grail of GNR and noone has gotten close

The rehersals and CBGB's both came from beta tapes....then transferred to dvds.

So why dont someone do better compression ,and make better dvd from vhs he have?
Anyway,i dont care is it vcd or not,i just post statements,without thinkin' people like will go bash me if i post it.
Well parodone me ,Sir!!!
Go enjoy pixelated show then.... :hihi:

No, but jackasses just look at the picture, see it's pixelated and make incorrect statements such as "It's VCD sourced"....

It's quite annoying

On gnrontour.com it says that it's pro shot, so it must exist else where it says: video,audio recording?, it would say no.By the way i just wanna say your excellent at designing covers! : ok:

If your talking about the VMA rehersals dvd, would the guy in question be called scott and lives in USA? cos i know he owns it and he said a guy offered him $900 dollars for it and he turned the offer down.He said he's the only person who's got it as he used to work for MTV

$900.. and he refused???

$900! What a douchebag.
  :rant:

Whats he keeping them for? They arent going to appreciate in value now.

Id release them for free - never saw the point of hoarding.

Hoarders are pretty much laughable people who don't seem realize that the longer they hold on to things, the more they depreciate in value as new things come along and then nobody cares. And they usually have the most fucked up logic as to why they're holding on to rare recordings, usually they somehow end up wanting other fans to believe they're doing them a favor. Funny, I know.
I couldn't care less about any rehearsals or HOB shows, CD is coming this fall and so is a full blown tour with many great things to follow.

Fight the power(trip). Fight the hoarders!  :peace:

amen, this guy sounds like a jackass.

My only interest in the VMA rehersals is a passing curiousity to see if it gives an insight into how the other members got along with Buckethead. Other than that I couldnt care.

HOB Exists.. I met a guy in NY at the shows that actually watched a guy tape it.  Apparently, the sound was too "fuzzy" and the asshole doesn't want to release it for fear it will tarnish his reputation of recording more perfect shows.  Fucking dickhead. But it does exist, rest assured.

That's no excuse for the guy to hoard it, it would be fairly easy to remaster the sound using the audio bootleg which has good quality and make a great DVD

I share your feelings and thoughts.  I know that his name was given to some of the big GNR collectors and they're going to try to work something out with him.. if it works out, we'll get it.  But if the big guys can't get it, we'll probably never see it.

Depending on who of the "big guys" gets it, we still might never see it...

I know exactly what you're saying.  If the guys from the line in front of Hammerstein get it, we'll have it immediately.. I'll cross my fingers for that.  :smoking:

It's pretty sad that we have to hope the "right" people get them...

Your the one who was going to make a vcd sourced hammerstein dvd and try and trade it.   ::)

The whole "hoarding" this is so old now. I remember 5 years ago when I started collecting rare Queen tracks and stuff I'd have to trade for mere "b sides" lol! Now these things are freely shared on a hub much like GN'R. Torrenting has opened so many people's minds to share, and there's a much better rapor amongst fans. If only people with the really rare stuff would put themselves out there and share freely, it would encourage others to do it too - then all fans could have equal access to everything.

exactly. some of them gladly share stuff, some of them hoard stuff. too bad for regular fans :no:

If you look at the top of this page you wil see a post by 'Velvet1223'. For those of you who dont know i believe this guy is the Scott in question who has the VMA Rehearsals. Not that i really want the VMA's, but he does have some other amazing stuff from the MTV vaults. I emailed him a while ago, and he was kind enough to tease me with some screenshots of the stuff he has. God i wish you could bash other members here........

some people just like hoarding stuff and masturbate upon having them :hihi: I don't understand it

it just gives them a false sense of power. bollocks if you ask me. if they want power... they should try and take over a country :P

Too true man, I think we will see a lot more 2002 soundboards and stuff coming out soon like the Columbus one there, becuase those hoarders know that the stuff has no real value anymore with the new tour approaching. I dont see the point in holding on to stuff like that for 4 years, but no doubt they'll be big enough A-holes to hold on to more stuff this year. Why can't people just share, it really pisses me off >:(

some hoarders think they can keep their stuff for themself so it's rare and they could trade it for another rare stuff. bullshit anyway, in GN'R trading community there are some most motherfucking idiots in the world. every other trading/sharing community is just - ok, let's share this, ok, let's trade that. just some GNR so-called fans are acting like Gods. too bad for them :P

I don't get it cos oneday we will all be old and I'm sure some of the hoarders will sit back and say 'why the fuck did I not share this stuff and enjoy with everyone? What was the point?' -  we only live one lifetime.. why not let it all out and we can all enjoy together? I don't get it.

oh i do.

hoarders dont have hearts :P they are as dead as the night is black.

I'm not just trying to single out Velvet1223 here either, im sure theres lots of these hoarders, but theres just no talking to them

What else did he show you from the vaults ?

YES thats him. He only wants something that no one has for it. IDK what the hell he thinks he is going to find. But i know afew people that would give him every dvd bootleg out there for it. And he'd still say no. I even ofder him afew shows i filmed but no one has. ITS NOT GN'R...i would not do that to you guys lol

He has footage of Slane 92 i think proshot, loads of old interviews, including outakes, and unseen stuff. He has unseen headbangers ball stuff. Basically any old interview, if they had the cameras rolling at all, the footage is his. At the time i was chatting to him he said he was trading for Vegas (this was august 05). I cant remember anything else, but this is the guy who accidentally let CBGBs out too, God forbid he'd share anything like. This worked at MTV you see, or something like that, ask him for screnshots, i dont think he'd mind, and then post them here becuase id like to see them again, i'm sure im forgetting a lot of stuff that he has.

so, this dude stole a bunch of MTV footage when he worked there? damn, not only is he a hoarder, but he's a fucking thief too?

ah shit if i worked there i would of stolen it too but i would of shared it out

From what he told me he didn't steal them.  You could request tapes to watch.  He took them home and copied them like anyone would.

Me too, a lot of old concerts were stolen from the GNR camera crew during the UYI tour. Such as Chicago 92, Indiana 91, St.Louis 91 and Oklahoma 92, so im grateful for everyone who steals stuff really

It's a shame that we'll probably never see any of that. What does he want for them Money or other rare stuff ?

Other rare stuff. God knows what he's looking for or why. Hey Velvet what are you after?

Pretty sure he is looking for Vegas or at least he was anyway.

even if Vegas most probably doesn't even exist?

Yes  :-\

It's a shame some people in the GnR community are like this. I know they are his bootlegs and he can do hat he wants with them but you would think that some part of him would want to help out all the other fans here.

Nice to see so many people have replied to my topic, im also after the whiskey 86 as i heard that was filmed!!  Anyone wanna sort anything out let me know!

Sorry to dissapoint you, but i don't think it was filmed(go on gnrontour.com and have a look).The only footage that was fimed at the whiskey was in 1987 when the welcome to the jungle video was filmed.

i've seen the troubador 86 on dvd, but not the whisky.

By the way this guy also has the Ritz 88 rehearsals and all the footage from the Scrap Bar 89 all proshot.

why in the hell would you want rehearsals of the mtv perormance... medley's are piles of shit...

if they did maddy in full, the yeah I'd want it.

everything is different now

new band new time for guns n' roses

embrace the new band

Wait, I have the entire Vegas show...I thought it was common?

you have Audio we are looking for the pro shot video

even shitty audience shot would be amazing : ok:

Oh I see, sorry.   8)

To see Axl take charge of the band?  To see something that has never been seen.  To hear the medley without Axl totally losing breath.  Cuz it would be cool.

Yeah I'd be very curious to see it. It would be cool to see how things work backstage at these things.

I could care less... medley's have always sucked, I feel a band should choose one song to play.. not slop 3 of them together....

The pro shot vid of vegas I guess would be cool.... :peace:

Hold on one minute.. who the fuck did I bash?

I know who it is too. Saint isn't lying. Someone from this forum and MYGNR has the HOB video.

I was at the Vegas 1-1-01 show and I would love to have it on Video. Seen GNR 6 times and I thought it was the shit. I heard the audio that is out there and it does not do it justice but it did bring back some great memories. You guys that provide this shit are awesome, keep up the good work. :beer:

It's sad that we have to put up with these hoarders. I honestly don't know the fun of keeping that shit to yourself only, these guys must masturbate while watching them, I can't think of another reason...

It's not me, unfortunately...  ;D

Its me. But I can't proove because I don't know how to take a screen shot. :hihi:


just a joke, people. its the favourite excuse for the bullshitters. :P

So we think its Limulus and John M eh?

Cant u stop calling names?
Those people might read what u wrote,and do u know what they think?
I would like to tell u ,but ill be banned if i use those words.

Just get your head out of those people asses,they dont need to give anything to u.
Go get that stuff on your own.
Hell,please get a life already...

What part of what i said made you think that i was putting my head up their asses? I would like them to get their head out of their own asses and share all their material with the fans. Make sense? No? Fuck off then and learn proper english!

Hahaha
Well ,i just wanna tell u,that u dont have any rights ,to request something from those people,do u?
What is your rights? beeing fan and all?so what? if they have something,its up to them ,will they share or not.
Anyway,when i need something,i got it very fast :)
because
1.i dont bash
2.i use my brain,or money :hihi:to get what i need

Your way,is just wrong way to do man.
All your life u will be envy sucker who spend days on this great forum just so he can open threads like this one
Or if u dont have enough arguments,then u use stuff like ''learn proper english'' lol
 :-*


Oh,and BTW,for more information read my signature :nervous:

Honestly, these 2 "lost" DVDs don't mean anything to me anymore. Although, we don't know if the VMA rehearsal was just them doing the medley; maybe they did more. Doesn't matter though, what we really don't want to see hoarded is the NYC show where Izzy and Kid Rock showed up.  :peace:

exactly.. and that is one reason why when they show up on ebay you fucking babys on this forum shouldnt report the sellers to ebay. you never know when something will turn up that you and everyone else wants... fucking dankrass and all you other fucking internet police.. you never know but you think your "being cool" or "its not right"... yeah but you all cry like bitches when it doesnt show up....

btw what would someone give me for a tokyo 2002 video?


i dont have it tho right?? ....


bet me.

The problem is, those people (who you tell us not to mention their names) are the ones who always say "share freely", "don't sell bootlegs", "support the sharing/trading community", "fuck bootleg sellers", but when it comes to their shit being shared then they get all bitchy about it. I don't give a shit if they release the stupid bootlegs or not, I don't give a crap if people sell bootlegs on eBay or whatever, I just don't like to see these "fans" being hipocrites right in our faces and say nothing about it.
If you think we should not bash them because then they might give us their stuff, or if you think that using money is the way, good luck for you, but I don't want to suck anyone's balls nor pay 1000 dollars for a stupid bootleg

Hey there sunshine......first off that was drankrass's recording of the show AND HE PUT IT UP FOR FREE FOR EVERYONE TO DOWNLOAD.  SO IF SOME FUCK IS TRYING TO MAKE A DOLLAR OFF HIS RERCORDING - THAT YES HE PUT UP FOR FREE FOR EVERYONE TO DOWNLOAD - then that person shouldn't be allowed to do that.  As far as if someone wants to sell their original recording of the concert, sure why not if he wants to do that fine......BUT TO STEAL A FUCKING SHOW THAT WAS POSTED FOR FREE BY SOMEONE ON THIS BOARD and profit it for himself....well that's just fucking idiotic and if you don't understand that, maybe you're on that same level yourself.  Once again I don't understand why you people hissy fit over all these concerts of the same fucking shit over and over. 

Dont mind him, he's hoarding shows to thats why he is sticking up for them.

I do not hoard shows
U do not have any proof that i hoard anything,its just u people make up,and couse if i say i have better quality stuff is not hoarding,or if i have show u dont,its been given to me in trade,so check my want list,and we can trade ,if not,then i cannot help u.
And i do not stand by anyone,im on my own,i just dont like people bashing anyone without those people stand up for themself..
But  on the contary i like people bash me,makes me alive ,:)
And yes,i think if u stop bashing, those people will help u get what u need....
Or u like to sound like old womans crying about something they want but cant have.


And to answer to user (agropolus)
Your Question is: WHO AM I TO TELL YOU NOT TO CALL NAMES?
Answer: Nobody,but i know maners ,and i know bonton....Thats all.

I don't have manners with hypocrites, and I don't see why we should. Besides, everyone knows who the big hoarders are anyway... and again, when you say "don't bash them", sounds like "suck their balls", I don't do that. As I said, if they wanna keep that shit to themselves it's really up to them, but then don't write stupid messages in DVDs such as "share freely" and stuff like that.

K,i copy what u saying
And for records i dont suck balls to anyone,ALL THEY HOARDERS SUCK MY BALLS : ok:

Actually Born To Die is partially right.  I railed against these guys for awhile.  I just didn't and don't understand why they keep the stuff to themselves and then say share freely.  But in the end it does not matter what I write or anyone else for that matter.

The part where he is wrong is about them helping us to get some of these shows.  Seems everything that has come from them has been through second hand.  Very few times have we got stuff directly from them.  Which I am fine with btw.

I wish they would share but they don't seem to want to share some of the true gems so it is pointless, this conversation is.

Sorry, but the main reason i get involved in stuff like this is to find out what's out there. 5 pages of this thread and all we do is argue. Would you not rather find out what al bootlegs are out there? Imagine if these fuckers had another pro shot concert from back in the day. Wouldn't you wanna find out what that was? The question is how.....

The thing I don't get is that we don't know what exactly the VMA rehearsal contains, yet hype it up like it's buried treasure.

I doubt Axl sang for the whole rehearsal anyways.

Dude i know what you mean. I couldn't care less about Vegas 01 nevermind the fuckin vma rehearsal. i'm not looking for Axl bootlegs, i'm looking for Guns N' Roses bootlegs.
(Please don't turn this thread into Axl's new band vs original gnr : ok: :peace:)

Maybe it's because:

- 1st People in the GNR comminity bash them and call them names all the time...(although these traders made available through the years many shows in best quality)
- 2nd People desrespect them when they want a show not to be torrented...(for various reason that you may not understand).
- 3rd we don't have something equal they want cause most people in the gnr community don't film shows and they don't spend good money in finding Master/rare shows from filmers and don't care much about the best quality transfers.

Just an example.

Why will they trade a SA (Sp) trransfer when they can PAY good money to the filmers and buy Clones and make superior DVD transfers both in audio & video???..

So instead of bashing them and sucking their balls all the time, people can go and film/record some gigs and make quality DVDs/CDs transfers to them, or Pay/Find Nice masters and then i am sure as hell they will want to trade......

STOP CALLING THEM NAMES ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPLIED A LOT OF STUFF OVER THE YEARS TO THE FANS IN BEST QUALITIES....THESE ARE PEOPLE NOT GODS....
AS THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND GOOD STUFF, SO CAN OTHER FANS TOO...

Everyone else (99% at least) share what they have (Audio bootlegs that surfaced recently, etc...) Why don't they do the same? Or the thing to people (for very reasonable amounts just to be reimbursed for their costs and maybe a little extra for their efforts..)

Like that guy that released the Lies demos (Cornchucker, etc...); He paid good money for 'em and a lot of people gave him a buck via paypal and he paid his money back...

Now, we know they have most of the 2002 soundboards - don't bullshit me and say they don't - what do they benefit out of being the only ones with them?

It's probably closer to 80%, I think we would all be amazed if we knew what was out there, and the amount.

For example......?
This is what im trying to find out like :peace:

U say.     
Everyone else (99% at least) share what they have (Audio bootlegs that surfaced recently, etc...) Why don't they do the same?

And i say:
Give those people something they dont have,or find something they might be insterested in,do u copy?

Many people share the rare stuff and ask nothing in return but a "thank you"...

See but some of us do film and do what they have to do to find good quality stuff.  Like you do, I do, and a few others.  But they never offered anything when approached about a trade.  They waited, and you know what they waited for!  For the upload that would eventually come.  And they did download the stuff.

Take Marks Hammerstien DVD for example.  No one offered him shit he said.  But when I uploaded it to the PC tracker there were a few people there to download it that could have offered something.

Like I said I railed against them for awhile because of their elitist attitudes but it did no good and I actually didn't think it would.  Just saying my piece.  I do not like to hold things back when I speak about something.

darknemus is buying the NY 2006 DVDs to share them freely. He didn't film any of that stuff, he just said he knew a guy who would sell the DVDs, asked for financial help, some people helped him to pay the guy, and soon we'll get all 4 shows! Easy as that! Why can't these guys do the same? No, like jemin said, when stuff they don't have is shared they are always there downloading and don't even say "thank you", but when it comes to their stuff they don't share shit. Oh yeah, every once in a while they share 1 DVD (like JM did with St Louis a while ago) just so people think "oh, they are so nice", but compared to the stuff they hoard sharing 1 DVD is nothing

HAHAHA! John M torrenting St. Louis was generous??? He just did that so the bootleg company wouldn't make as much money because everyone would already have it... Let alone him teasing us by stopping at 99% for hours and not seeding until we said we'd makes trees, etc...

I'm not saying he was generous, I do remember how he stopped seeding at 99%.
I'm saying that he wanted to look generous to everyone by sharing it, but he never fooled me!

Remember before 'they' released half of Columbus (They probably have it all), people were kissing their asses with thank you's for 1 song here and there and I even remember them kissing ass for a rant from the show...


Another hoarded show: Pukkelpop 8-24-02 Screenshot... Whether it's complete or not but there's gotta be more than 2 songs...

how in the fuck do two people have all the show and hoard everything... they arent the only people with it you know. they are the only people we know that have them. you can find them elsewhere.

They have everything couse those people spend time,and money on achiving what they want,they did not spend so much time on forums bashing people who had stuff before them,couse this way or another,someone will relese more unrelesed material,and everyone will be happy,but this bashing need to stop to make that come true.

OH,i dont recall PCT st louis thing,couse i was not there,but that thing (99% seed,and stop) is hilarious,hahaha
Owned :hihi: :hihi:

No it isnt. As far I am concerned anyone who does that is a shitsmear. You are telling us that you think what he did was "hilarious" and we wrong to bash him?

Fuck him.

Exactly fuck him, and what about the people that spend time and money getting stuff and DO share it? Like Will, that guy has shared some pretty cool stuff over the years and never asked for anything!

LOL Born To Die you sound like smithers the way you go on sometimes, always kissing Mr. Burns (the hoarders) ass! :rofl:

On the topic of hoarders, I dont mind people who have stuff but dont get it all out as long as try to do their part. Even people who dont share because they dont know how much people want these are cool with me.

But fucknuts who dangle it like a carrot in our faces are just wrong.

BTW - St. Louis wasn't on PCT... It was on Sharingthegroove meaning there were 100s of people downloading, not just super-Gn'R fans...

Exactly fuck him X 2  ;D
As I said, I won't kiss anyone's ass to get rare stuff, but those guys are stupid hipocrites

I'm sorry I even brought up their initials.  I should have known better.  Sheesh!  Peace be with us all.   :peace:  :hihi:

There is a complete version of pukkelpop floating about i hear.

P.S No i dont have it - dont even bother pm'in me. And I think its from a different source than either of those two (sorta speculation that - i might try and track it down at some point.)

Hey,dude,do u know that  u will never see 3 shows i can share?
Lol,u can pray and suck to any hoarders,and u will not get it,never,only i or God himself will help u.
aint life a bitch?
 :hihi: :hihi:

I love u  :-*

LOL so you ARE a hoarder then BTD? And just what are these 3 shows you speak of?

I hoard

1.Simpson ,season 0 (episode 2 )
2.Red dwarf,tv show (season 3) never relesed
3.Looney Toon dvd authored by me :hihi: :hihi:


u wanna trade? :hihi: :hihi:

Showing your funny side, you should get positive karma for that, hey it beats ass-kissing right?

Yeah
But i think,ill get negative karma
But u know what,i think like this ,better negative karma then no karma :hihi: :hihi:

Oh,i forgot to mention,i have also a cell phone video recorded ,in 12sec long,about axl taking dump in old shack back in 1991 just a little before they hit stage in indiana  :peace: :hihi:
Ill give that for a vhs master tape of Def Comedy Jam on saturday night ,season 1,k?

Please,stop this nonsense now,im afraid for u ,u are going crazy,think to much about ass kissing,just dont become adler or tyler :nervous: :nervous:

Don't open that door!

Maybe that is happening cause they are looking for "equal" trades.
I don't expect them to trade a cool old GNR show for a new Adler's Appetite, Gilby Clarke or Velvet Revolver...They may download it But they don't have to trade for it as it is not "equal".
They have already spread so many cool GNR shows over the years...They don't have to trade for something that they really don't highly look for BUT if it is offered for free then why not go for it??...


Now with markymark..Although thanks to him for his filming efforts(I wish more fans will try the same) ?the 3/4 of the DVD is not watchable and very incomplete...I personally wdidn't offer something cool to trade fot it cause there is a far better source out there...I expect this type of dvd to be shared rather than be traded...I just downloaded it from curiosity and after 10 minutes watching it i stopped....IF it was a really nicely filmed show i would have tried to trade for it.

Also these people are keeping Cool shows for themselves cause they give all their efforts in finding Quality rare shows and they need ?to have something cool to be able to find them ....And now here is why torrents make a damage....Logically they won't trade for something knowing that it is gonna be torrented...Of course they keep their rare shows, so they can have something cool to trade with someone who will not torrent his show...

So torrents although they help traders to quickly build a collection they don't help older traders to be able to release unsurfaced shows.

It's quite logical to me really...It depends what you want to achieve...

If you want to have the biggest collection possible then it is necesary to keep shows tight, avoid uploaders like hell, and only trade for equal shows and be carefull...

If on the other hand don't care to find and dig all the GNR bootlegs on earth and you just want to have most of them and want to help others then Torrents seem the best solution.





 

Problem is its a vicous circle, people find and keep rare stuff and want equal stuff for it in return.

Therefore more people hoard stuff for trade to make sure they can get their hands on rarer stuff. etc. etc.

again. most hoarders show a little piece of their stuff to the masses but don't let out the whole thing... but they love to download everything they can. fuck them. there's no rare stuff, just stuff you can have and stuff you can't have.

The hoarders don't spread shit, they share like 1 or 2 DVDs and hoard dozens! And when one of their DVDs gets torrented, they get all bitchy about it, what is up with that?
Again, a lot of people get rare stuff nowadays and still share it, and the stupid hoarders are always there downloading. But do they try to follow the example? Hell no, they think they are better than everybody else so they can keep all the stuff to themselves and try to tell what can and what can't be shared. How could you agree with that?

1st. I follow GNR torrents closely over the last years and I don't see these people downloading them apart from very few ocasions.

2nd. What you and I may consider rare/quality shows they already have them and probably in better quality..

While most of us over the last 2-3 years we tried to obtain the normal released shows in good qualities these people already had them and in most cases in best qualities...So these people don't really care or download what you and i download...Their efforts over the last years were in finding unreleasead GNR shows that you and I don't know about their existence.

I don't think it is a case that they want to play that they are better. I think it is a case that they are in a different league than us....They have different focus and intention and i am sure that they do greater efforts in finding shows than most of us.

And i don't care if they have more shows...I am happy with what i have...Good for them if they have more....Somehow they made some effort to find them and certainly you and I didn't help them.

True
All gnrosas sayed is 100% true
And when i had something (one of persons u mention as hoarder) didnt trade with me,he offered euro
As i would if u had something i dont.
And after i buy,be sure i wont let u torrent it and ruin my collectable and hard work.

Never thought i'd say this but in a way i kind of side with BTD, sure showing someone you've got something just to say 'no im keeping it' is a really asshole-like thing to do, but, taking BTD as an example, if you did what he did to get the boots, you'd have them too. Of course he could share them and be a hero, but its not his duty like some people make it out to be.

What i really hate in this gnr community is that people demand more and offer less...
You see new traders that builded their big collections ultrafast with torrents in a feww months and they now demand more and call traders who have more than them Hoarders and all sort of names. Fuck it.

What Did you really offer to the community and more specific to these certain people???

That is the question you should be really asking rather than demanding..


That is why i defend these people...Cause they really have offered to the GNR community over the years....And most of people who attack them are people who offered shit or little to them BUT they have their CDs/DVDs in their collections and enjoy them..

Just for record i never had any account on any torrent site
im only on cd.com torrent,and i have 0mb download 0mb upload :rofl:,im there just for if something happens that i might use,but i doubt...

And people need to realize,that really good hoarders,are not just jxxx and lxxx or pxxxx ,there are more of them ,they dont know,and some other people (who later beeing called hoarder and idiots) trying to get stuff from those REAL  hoarders,but i dont belive in word hoarder anyway...
And u know,who ever spend money,he worked for like 2month job or something,is not gonna share it for free,he would need to be saint or moron imho...

eh, this discussion bores me again. It is the same people saying the same thing.

Back on topic! 

So who does have them?   :P

Yea i think everyones said what they have to say on this.

I know that velvet1223 has the vma rehearsals. i don't know of anyone that has the vegas show, but after this thread im starting to believe one of those hoarders has it out there.
However im just curious as to know what else there is out there. I'd rather people just tell everyone what they know, even if they don't torrent the stuff!

K
I think P.C. have Inglewood 1991 ,but i dont care really

Someone else,braged,he have Axl video where axl play after party in 1993 argentina ,after party piano video,but i dont care about it...

Marquee 1987 is availablee in pro shots,full show,vcd ,but again pro shot...

Canada 1987  existing on video

Philly 1988 in much better quality then u can find on dvd.gnr.gr site

Maybe (im not sure,and dont care) Hershey 1991 exist aswell
Wembley 1991 in pro shot,i heard ,but i dont belive actualy,until i have it.

Hollywood roses with a big fucking bunch of clips from vhs,not shitty one u have till now ,over 100min

Venezuela Caracas show

Australian tv report,with 13min long pro shot cuts....live Sydney


Sao Paolo Brasile ( dont think so,and dont care) but u can talk about someone have it,i dont care.

Pukklepop full (who would even want that,hahah)

HOB 2001 and Some stupid Gnr arrival (lol,who need that)

Modena 1993 Italy,pro shot,tv report aswell as documentary is not relesed yet

Ok,dont know did i miss something
So u see,there is big fucking bunch of stuff you can talk and bash people for it ,if u want,and i know u do

So are u happy now?
And dont ask me do i have them,i dont.
But maybe now u can STFU...

P.s and 50% of dvds already existing in much better quality,almost half of 1991 shows existing in better quality then u saw)

Oh,sorry for double post,but aint u MR.BOOTLEGS? ,So dont u have like all bootlegs then?
Omg,u are hoarder.... :hihi:

John never had and does not have House Of Blues video.

i know different on john m and the hob show i saw an email on it he sent to a x trader of mine he got the dvd

god, you'Re so ridiculous. you wanna come off like you were some kind of a big fish, but you're nothing but a loser who gets off on the fact that people thinking you have stuff that nobody has. well you know what, nobody gives a fuck about you. you're a loser...

he dont have it..

prove it u only going on what he says are u there no. neither am i but i saw the email sent from him to my x trader . they both have it the trader of mine was bitching in the second mail to john how they did not get there stuff after he recieved the dvd

i also know how john m is it took him over a year or more to send my friends master copy of a dvd back to him

i PMed that velvet poster... check page 1 or 2 of this thread to view him..

he is the one with the rehearsals and HOBs

he wants money.

how much then?

i'm sure the gnr community would have no problem coming up with the money, myself included!

all he said was that he offered 900 bucks and he turned it down and then asked me for a price.

who offered who 900 bucks?

someone offered Velvet 900 bucks for the vma rehearsals and he said know --that is what he told me..

haha what a jackass... who would pay 900 dollars to watch a rehersal for that mess.... lol...

So which shows do you care about?
Hey thanks for the list, but i'm pretty sure marquee 87 wasnt proshot, only audio cuz Axl says it at one point during the show. If the rest of those shows are true then how did you find this all out. And who is P.C.? Is tat Paradise City Tracker you are on about?

no,hahaha,its people names
i dont care about any show,thats why i dont bash anyone.

You don't care about any show? That's sad, why do you even bother with bootlegs of gnr shows then if you dont give a fuck?

born to die is p.c. means paul cromwell? he does not have any hidden stull

also born to die is u did not care about any show u would not be hoarding 8,17,87 5,18,88 vhs or dvds

Timebomb,i did not say P.C means person u just mentioned,u are really stupid u know.
And i dont have anything,im liar,ok.. :hihi:

BTW...Timebomb i thought u collect Blind Guardian or something related to your eye problems.. :nervous: :rofl:

dude,your a hoarder...you need to go to another forum...this is a sharing forum...

Do u like my sig???
 :rofl: :rofl:

Not cool at all to pick on someone becuase of there disabilities. It is one thing if someone is being a asshole or calling someone an asshole but making fun of physical issues is for fucking kids in preschool. Regardless of what you think of timebomb he is a legend when it comes to sharing.  : ok:

timebomb is my best friend on this forum and what u said was fucked up >:(

BORN TO DIE, please modify your sig and stick to the rules. And stop posting non sense.

Done

yeah, because there were cellphones that could record video back in '91.


on other note, we should contact this J or L people (yes, i know there real s/n)... and ask for a price of HOB and maybe some snipplets of it so we know its real. If we get that far, we can arrange for people to chip in. 10 bucks here and there would do the trick given a month or so.

John M does not have HOB.

I don't think any of them have it, but i wouldn't mind chipping in for an old pro-shot concert

So no registered users on this site have HOB? damn, that really is one dvd i wanna get my hands on, I don't think I could wait much longer...

Nobody has it except Axl i am guessing.........and born to die is an elitist hoarder.......if he doesnt care about any of those shows he wouldnt hoard the ones he claims he has and he wouldnt ban people from his illegal mp3 downloading forum................if BTD is Paul Cromwell that is very interesting cuz I hae dealt with several people who HATE Paul Cromwell and call him a cheat.........................Very interesting if they are one and the same..................and hate to break it to you dude, Marquee 87 was NEVER filmed

I dont see why Jarmo didnt bann you all,i hope he will,and if thats makes u happy,im ready to be banned just if then they bann you.
Me Paul Cromwell? thats stupiest thing ive ever heard!!!!
And,my forum is not illegal is mp3 same as mp3 in here,u moron,so noone can do anything about it,it legit bootleg site,go to school dude,learn something ,u act like a 2 year old kid.

And how can i be someone from USA,if i dont know english?
Ups,then again Prisbey is from USA,and he dont know english :rofl: :rofl: :nervous:

See? we are completely missing out on certain shows, what a shame the Marquee was never filmed...and then again why would Axl keep footage of him playing with Buckethead?  I'm very certain he doesn't keep most shows anyway.  I have heard from somewhere though that a handful of people in america have it but are charging like ?5k for it :'( hoarding scum, how can they expect an average gnr fan to pay so much?  it knocks me sick that theres some twisted hoarder out there using Vegas to fuel his masturbation :yes: everyone needs to see it!  I'm sure it was one of the best ever shows.  I Think you're wrong about 'born to die' he aint a hoarder!

hoarders suck

So the HOB dvd does not exist then?
And the VMA rehersals are still being hoarded. :hihi: I figured with all the new shows being played these things would have seen the light of day.

goddamn it the HOB show does exist. It was made with menus and all that shit...

Who has it then?  Until I see it I don't believe it.  And even if it is out there I'm sure it will stay hidden for some time.

 I don't know if it exists, but honestly I don't give a crap anymore, if someone has it and wants to share that's cool, but if someone is hoarding then stick it up your ass, I'm not gonna pay 5000 bucks for a stupid bootleg anyway...

Is there/was there ever a screenshot of the HOB vid?

no there werent screen shots,thats why it doesnt exist.

It does exist!! have you ever visited gnrontour.com?  it says theres a pro shot video of it which there is, i know for a fact, I'd certainly pay ?5k if I was rich but i ain't particularly so :hihi: and how can someone else call it a 'stupid bootleg'?

How is it you know so much? are you a hoarder? ;D lol..

Oh and one more piece of evidence that HOB exists, in 2001/2002 it was going to be officially released as a DVD...but cancelled.

that site lack a lot info,as it have a lot of wrongly posted thigs aswell.
So maybe thats it.

It does exist, but the question is, is it in the hands of traders? Remember in 2001 they were going to officially release it as a DVD?

If it is in the hands of traders then lets kick their ass!  Well, realisticly i highly doubt HOB has even reached our shores (UK), I guess hoarders in america only have it...so if it was going to be officially released but later cancelled I guess this adds to the 'street value' of it.  It would also be nice to see the VMA rehearsals and even Axl playing with Gilby at the starfuckers club in 2000/HOB soundcheck 2000...though I'm sure they were never filmed!!  Can you imagine how much they would be worth though?  and while im at it typing this message...does anyone know anyone at all who owns the whiskey 86?  Apparently it WAS filmed but the original taper has only distributed it to a minimal quantity of people.  Again thats probably worth a bomb *sighs*... :-\

who wants HOB anyway or VMA 2002..Axl's voice was garbage in those shows....I am more interested in a pro shot of that 4 hour show they did at the Forum in 91..thats what you people should be clamoring for

The DVD is also rumoured to have a studio version of Madagascar playing on the menu.

Isn't that kind of hard since a final version of Madagascar hasn't even surfaced on a studio album yet?.. :-\

Axl was planning on releasing CD in 2001, so there must have been some studio stuff.

Personally I fail to see the difference between axls voice in 2002 and 2006, HOB was before rio so its gotta be good, and its very intimate too! between 1-2000 capacity audience so it must have been a secret gig.  I tried real hard to find the 4 hour inglewood pro but failed miserably, I will probably never find it, you know what?  I doubt it was even filmed.

nothing more than a rumour by the sound of things..

All the shows were filmed on the Use Your Illusion tour. A few were stolen at the time. (Indiana 91, st louis 91, oklahoma 92, chicago 92) But they were ALL filmed, just not all stolen, which is a shame for us.
It was going to be released in Japan at the time.

You said it man, rumoured. And were did you get that rumour from? People on this message board. I remember the thread were people started speculating that, as if they fuckin know like!

It's becuase of comments like that that people think Axl is a liar. The only thing he lied about that year was at Rio when he said, 'We'll see you again next year with a whole bunch of new songs' The  came the 2002 tour with zero new songs (apart from the ones they played at Rio i mean)

Too true man, i listened to the audience boot and they all sounded like copycats of the original guns if you ask me. BUT i would still want this show so i could trade it for old 'proper' Guns N' Roses shows, such as Inglewood if it's out there.

Everyone bare in mind if you're trying to find something, the video's are all out there becuase they were filmed, but how do you go about contacting the right people? i don't know.....

So you're suggesting the japanese are the most likely people to have HOB?  And I'm very sure I heard somewhere that inglewood wasnt filmed, its a bit optimistic suggesting 'all' UYI shows were filmed aint it?  It would be nice to have pros of the other tokyo 92 shows with locomotive played on it and the tokyo 93 shows!

The only shows that I think would be worth seeing from the UYI tour would be (the reasons are bolded):

01.21.92 - Target Center, Minneapolis, MN
set: Welcome To The Jungle, Mr. Brownstone, Bad Obsession, Live And Let Die, Attitude, It's So Easy, Double Talkin' Jive, Civil War, Wild Horses [Intro] / Patience, You Could be Mine, Piano Solo, November Rain, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Nightrain, Don't Cry, Move To The City, Sail Away Sweet Sister / Bad Time [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Estranged, Mother [Intro] / Paradise City
notes: The first show since Axl had sliced his hand open a week earlier in Dayton (1.14). "Live and Let Die" is stopped so Axl could kick out an obnoxious fan. Slash mentions the last time they played in Minnesota was when they opened for Alice Cooper back in '87.

03.20.93 - Carver-Hawkeye Arena, Iowa City, IA
set: It's So Easy, Mr. Brownstone, The Garden, Live And Let Die, Nice Boys, So Fine, Attitude, Double Talkin' Jive, You Ain't The First, You're Crazy, Used To Love Her, Patience [w/ Pinball Wizard], Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Piano Solo, November Rain, Dead Horse, Drum Solo, You Could Be Mine, Guitar Solo, Since I Don't Have You [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, Welcome To The Jungle
notes: A very rowdy crowd - before the opening act Brian May came on stage, the crowd threw all the chairs off to the side to make it general admission! This led to some huge mosh pits, especially during 'Double Talkin' Jive.' During 'So Fine,' Axl changes one of the lines to ?How could I be so high??, and then later to ?How could it be I'm so high?? 'Patience' is started after 'You're Crazy' but the bands stops it and breaks into 'Used To Love Her.' Before 'Welcome To The Jungle,' Slash plays a bit of the theme to the 'Addams Family.' The show is stopped early because Axl gets hit with something, so 'Welcome To The Jungle' is the last song.

My Dad was at both of those shows

And something that I have a small amount of interest in:

12.06.91 -- Worcester Centrum Centre, Worcester, MA (Rocket Queen from this show is on Live Era).

They were ALL filmed man, trust me. Axl has said in past interviews that they filmed EVERYTHING on the UYI tour.

And yes Axlander those would be great shows but lets not turn this into a wishlist thread.
Does anyone know how to go about tracking down old bootlegs? John M or Limulus must have some advice......

Well, even if they were all filmed I seriously doubt that all of them will leak, inglewood is probably lost somewhere where it will never be found for all we know:(

Im fairly sure I read somewhere that the building that had all the UYI shows stored in was destroyed in the California wildfires in like 95/96. Im not sure if its actually true or not but I do remember reading it somewhere.

Nobody has the HOB dvd. Why doesn't John M post a screenshot of this dvd? It's because he doesn't have it, and he never did.

For the hundreth time it does exist!

that could very well be..

Well that's sad if it's true :no:

that would be a logical explanation on why tokyo was released on dvd instead of a good show : ok:

You have some proof? Just one screenshot will do.  : ok:

The Tokyo show was released in late 1992, so that's oviously why the record company re-released them on dvd and not another show.

Hahaha that's true :D I have listened to almost every bootleg from '91-'93, and those Tokyo-shows are fucking terrible :hihi:

But wasn't that gig released also on two VHS? I mean, if the VHS-version was released like '92-'94, maybe they just wanted to do it easy and convert it to DVD. And Duff said in an interview of a Finnish rock-magazine, that they "have thousands of hours stuff from UYI-tour that fans would love to see, but the record company wanted to release Greatest Hits".. So I don't know what to believe.

EDIT. Origen, thanks for the info : ok:

The reason you can be nearly guaranteed this isn't true is the LIVE ERA' Videos. If all the UYI show footage was destroyed then where did all the pacific footage of WTTJ come from? I think Axl still has them all stored somewhere, or that's what I at least like to think.

yeah    they wanted to do it easy........but it sucks anyways :hihi:

i don`t think the recordings of the UYI tour are destroyed by the way. does anyone know where the rumour about the fire comes from?

no screenshots no, but have you seen the pictures? theres cameramen in them : ok:

I thought that tokyo 92 was really cool actually, but when you look at shows like Chicago and argentina 92 they wipe the floor with tokyo, I guess that night they were just all stressed out from filming live for an official release. :hihi:

tokyo wasnt their best but it still is pretty damn good...........91 was the best year of the UYI tour...........Indiana 91 is my fav video anyway and these are the shows people should be looking for..............I think Axl has every show stored away in his house but i wouldnt be surprised if he had a tantrum and burned it all up anyway...........

I agree the stuff has to exist. They recorded everything.

And to think there is only one copy around is just foolish. I'm sure everthing is backed up, that is just how things work.

Never lose hope, that is why everyone does what they do to find more stuff. If it does not exist then we might all give up.

I will search the end of the earth for Hershey. And some day i will have it. You can count on it if I have to beg Axl myself.

The wait is torturous!  many people think it could take from 3 years up to a decade onwards for it to leak, which is sad.  It would be special if it was leaked now as it is only 5 years on from that show after all, :beer: to the leaks of more great gnr shows!! :hihi:

What we need is to contact the right people. Say the director of the Live Era videos, or someone from the old gnr film crew.

..and where would we get their contact details?

Well no not really, because they could have gotten that video footage from like tv stations etc that had some videos of the band to use in news reports etc. No "new" official dvds from that tour being released does lend quite a bit of credence to the stuff being destroyed.

Actually it doesn't mean to much of anything.  There hasn't really been a reason to release anything other than re issue the Tokyo shows just for the sake of putting them to DVD and a greatest hits CD that was guaranteed to make money.  I have never heard any such story of the video footgage being burned in the fires.  Where was this reported? 

I "thought" I read it somewhere on this site, but I've been looking for it on here and I can't find it. So I must have read it somewhere else.

John does not have this fuckin' show:

HOB - I'm sick of answering questions about this.  I don't have it and never have had it.  I don't know anyone that does.  I could care less about people bashing, they just need to get laid.

Did I miss something?  Did someone bring his name up again?

At mygnr there was a thread about the HOB DVD that actually posted a link to the item on I think HMV Japan (at least I think it was HMV Japan).  This was only a few weeks ago, and the DVD was still up on HMV's website.  The release date was like June of 2001 or something around there.  They said the item was currently on "backorder", or some similar term, and a mygnr poster ordered a copy and the site or customer serivce told him it would be shipped pending a new supply arriving at HMV.  I they may have taken the item down shortly thereafter.

Sorry, my description of the situation is a bit vague, but that's the gist of it.  I can't find that thread now at mygnr, I think it may have been lost when the site got hacked.

Seems clear it was going to be released in Japan.  So the show was recorded, no doubt.  Maybe the DVDs were destroyed after they decided not to release the show (so the story goes), but does anyone seriously think they also destroyed the master copy?  That's pretty doubtful IMO.  Axl's probably got it hidden in his bedroom, guarded by Dobermans and crocodiles.

Who anyway still wanna se 2001 ,when we have 2006 which is 10 times better,2001-2002 imho sucked big time,i dont even like shows from that era,nah.
Stop thinking,it will eventualy hurt your little heads,and start enjoy what u DO have.

hVM,or hfm,how did u say it is,i dont care,who thinks what japanese site have,i bet they would trade that for a dvd or anima porn  :hihi: :hihi: kinky people :rofl:

let's try it ;D

sounds interesting, I'll look into that!  But again why would axl keep such stuff?  I'm very certain he doesnt stash his media in his house, imagine how he'd treat them!  Being the creator of it all!  and from what born to die said.. 01 and 02 were good years for gnr but yeah they were more unstable as a band but had an awesome 3rd guitarist;)

I have the link to the site your talking about saved at work, I will post it when I get to work.

I guess we all need to really try hard to get this show

ill download,and offer them ,just find me some japanese :rofl:
they cant even recognize good girl,if she isnt animated one :nervous: :hihi:

funny... ;D

I've been doing that for years!


Alright man i believe you, i was just wondering if he could give advice on how to track down stuff.

Here is the link for 2001 Las vegas that was discussed earlier.

http://www.hmv.com.hk/product/dvd_music.asp?sku=494227

Thats BS mate

What an interesting link! I'll see if i can order it!

Good luck.

In regard to contacting the live-era people, or crew, i think the best bet would be to watch the UYI live DVD's credits, get their names, then get searching....

Just a thought...

Jonesy

so you think my attempt will be unsuccessful

That does sound quite a good idea

yar

i would do that tonight, but have some formal party that i have to go to. Was meant to be playing there with my band, and donig 'think about you' and 'paradise city' as two of the songs....

That idea collapsed, so now just getting fucked up :)

Come to think of it, even if we had a camera crewman's name how would we get such stuff from them? this is kinda confusing

well, it's like a first step isn't it.

Like, for example, we get a name

We get his current company / contact details

we privatley contact, and ask what he has access too.

we see what happens....

That's my guess.

Lloyd

dunno, well it would be quite hard to get in direct contact with them really wouldnt it

Maybe hard, but not impossible.

I'm sure they thought it would be hard getting most (or all...) of the 2002 SBD's by jumping the sound-desk....

But they did it.

not really, there not celebrities or anything...

you dont even really have to look in the credits. you can probally google search it. I'm gonna do that now.. i think this is a good idea, we might just get lucky. 8)

good one :)

SBD's??

SBD=soundboard


and i searched and all i've got is the producer is Del James.

arg

I'm gonna watch the DVD's tomorrow and search n' that

im determined now...

Therefore its best to look at the names in the credits then : ok:

Yea I know that, I posted it becuase they were discussing that link but could not find it.

yup

I'm not disputing that it wasn't filmed, rather the DVD exists in someone's home.

I'm not sure if the televised concerts were done by the gnr's camera crew. It may be the television crew of that company. However, everytime SCOM is played they ALWAYS have that shot of Slash from the back as the camera zooms out while he plays the opening riff.
Maybe it's a coincidence but you never know.

Yea if we could get a few names, then i'm sure we could google them or something. I don't know about america, but in the UK theres like a directory website were you can type in a person's name and get their address.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306925/fullcredits

AXL doesnt even allow filmig at his shows and you think he is gonna give out these videos to some lowly cameraman..........lets get real............Unless you are personal friends of Del James or Axl Rose that is the ONLY way you will get these videos..............

SOME WAY im sure it can be done....

what 'mikepatton' said makes alot of sense, there probably is some way but just imagine how hard people worked to get hold of the other bootlegs that we now have.

Yeah

i totally agree.

I just think that they must have went quite far to get those boots, and now that they are 'old', maybe the owners (crew / friends / other 'contacts') aren't so clingy?

or they could be hoarding dickheads, but there's always worth trying

to be honest i believe that if they werent hoarding it would be really easy to get them but they arent, so that leaves the answer, theyre hoarding...

is there loads that are hoarded then?

(i mean like, a substantial amount, not just a 'precious' show..)

of course!! hundreds are being hoarded... if you look at www.gnrontour.com youll see just how many shows we are missing out on.. :-\

Yeah

i mean are there footage of most of those shows that people own and hoarde?

I understand the fact that those shows were played, and filmed by the crew, but im just asking if there's an idea of how many people own..

good question! that is a question im not too sure on at all, it really is hard to say, if anyone does then it must be people with close links to gnr, not just some random hoarder..

Those credits didn't really help. It's the cameramen, or the director, or even better the editor! I believe that a few months ago a cameraman from rock in rio in 91 gave away some footage which was shared, so i mean it IS  possible to find new stuff.

This should really be taken onto my other thread now, its titled 'anyone got any rare pros from the UYI tour'

honest when a big time band has these kinds of footage usually its the management or band members that have ahold of these recordings...............unless we know slash or del i dont see it...

I think that the Tokyo-show was released with the help (money?) of a Japanese company.. just look at the credits. After the band, tour-staff, sound people, security etc, comes something like "Guns n' Roses - Use Your Illusion World Tour In Tokyo -crew:", and there's only some Japanese names..

BC it was broadcast on jap tv, so obviously the peple involved in broadcasting it will get credited, it has nothing to do with a japanese comapny releasing it.

HOB will always have meaning because it was the first GN'R concert in over 7 years.  It was Axl's big return.  Well, maybe it wasn't that big, but you get my point.


Well of course I don't know that Axl himself has got it.  My point is that there is no way they destroyed every single copy of the show.  They might destroy the DVDs they were gonna sell, but no way they'd destroy the master copy too.  That would preclude them from ever using the show in the future.  Why would they make such a decision?

And who else could have more access to it than Axl?  If one person in this world has it my money is on him.  Simple as that.

Yeah, but Axl said at the second Tokyo concert that they "are filming it and it's going to be released in Japan" or something.. why is everything so Japaaan?

Of course HOB will mean something, this was axl's first stage presence in nearly 8 years, I don't know how people can say  2006 is better than 01 and stuff like that like as if HOB never mattered!  The closest to axl who have these shows are probably the management and so on.

I'm starting to think that Del James has, or has access to all of this stuff. Remember back in 98/99 Axl said they had to get Del to sift through all of the stuff to see what they could use for the Live Era album.

Anywayz, i still think that our best bet is to find someone on the camera crew at the time. Even if they don't have anything, they could tell us whether we are wasting our time or not, you know?

And Del has to be deaf, like I said :P Maybe they just used him in that case, but it might be that he really has access to this stuff.. who knows.

I searched the 1993 -tour book, and Terry Brennan is credited as a video crew chief. Cool, let's phone him :hihi: Dave Zammitt is the chief of sound crew..

yeah this sure does make alot of sense

The reason some of the stuff on that album doesnt sound the greatest is because they had to use what they could find. Axl said back when that album came out that they had to serch out various sources to see what they could find because not all the shows were available.

No, they said they had to search for DAT recordings for the mixing, with separete tracks. The other shows were recorded with other gear that wouldn't be good enough for the mixing process.

Rose: So it was just kind of fun, and then it worked out as a intro to "November Rain" live, and it just so happened that [it] came out well on tape, so we were able to use it. Del James worked for a couple of years off and on going though every single show we did on DAT tape from the "Use Your Illusion" tour and then every available tape, and finding tapes, and finding people that have recorded things, so he could have in his mind what was recorded best from the entire time Guns N' Roses was together. There were a lot of difficulties where things weren't... when they were recorded, when they were fully recorded to 24, 48 tracks, it wasn't recorded that well at times, and so it took a long time to find what tracks were available to use, because we had never officially recorded a show to make a live album.

http://gnr.nu/content/view/102/26/

(lets go after this Del James dude!!!)

U dont know who Del James is?
He cant or will give u shit man,hes Axl Friend,and man who write NR story.
U can see him on Making of trilogy

Yeah, i've seen him in pictures on tour this time round too

Yeah
So i mean,why would he give anything he have of gnr?
His friend of band,not a seller or going to help fans without asking Axl,and i dont think he would even answer even u find his email or anything ( wich i doubt)