Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It seems like everybody hates that song now after hearing it  at Hammerstein.  The fans seem to not like it and the reviewers  hate it.  Almost every review I have read  refers to this song as a big NO( boring).  Maybe Axl should drop this song from the album . 

Ummm...no.

The song is a freakin masterpiece. The studio version should be phenomenal.

Ive never liked it  - I agree, it's plodding and aimless

i havent heard any versions yet from Hammerstien but who knows... i always thought it was lame to use the same movie quotes from Civl war as on Madagascar...

Madagascar is still my favorite from all new !!!
I say keep it, it's a masterpiece.

I miss the Bucket solo but Richard's new effect during the opening is killer.

I swear you fuckers pick some of the dumbest things to start a topic over.

No point in even going into this one, I was at the May 12 show, and the song is still good phenomenal.

Pull your panties back up.

while its not my favorite of the new songs, its still a power full song ... however i would take out the middle part with everyone speaking and replace it with a sick solo

The performance I saw Friday wasnt't phenomenal, but the song is still very, very brilliant indeed...

For some reason though I see myself driving off a cliff with this song playing though :-\

I really love this song and have since I first heard it in January '01.  I want to hear the most recent versions yet though.  I just don't see how they could turn this song into a "bad" song. 

A Paul Huge & Teddy Zig Zag duet that's how :hihi:

 Did maddy go from good to bad??
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              errrrrrrmmmmm   NO!  >:(

I haven't heard a decent enough recording of it from the NYC shows to tell if it has been changed much BUT the version from 01/02 is a masterpiece  : ok:
My only concern is that they might have changed Buckets solo which was amazing.

Personally I think the song was awesome at Rio   with the buckethead original solo  but has sucked ever since.  You can't say it is because Buckethead is gone, he stopped using the solo from Rio  in 02' he totally changed it .  Someone needs to tell Axl  that the new version sucks .

I think they kind of have to put it on the album as they played it at the '02 VMAs!

Great song. It's a keeper.

Agreed, a UYI era B side. ?

An absolute momentum killer in a live setting.

This song is a true masterpiece. It hits the shelf right up there with "Estranged" and "November Rain". I think it's a great understatement to call this weak. Good post, AxlRoseChild. : ok: :beer:

To each his own, but I really don't understand how anyone couldn't like "Madagascar."

That song *is* Axl Rose, if you know what I mean.

Still does it for me, The solo is different each time we hear it though. I assume we will hear the newest one on CD.

Like the MLK speech a lot, adds much to the song.

Reminds me a bit of "Down by the seaside" by Led Zeppelin.

It never hooked me in either. They should drop it from the live set.


I agree with this as well.

i liked it better at Hammerstein then at anypoint in the 2002 tour.
It's heavier!!? :drool: and the solo Fortus does over/under the quotes was great.
for the most part the people next to me were quiet because it was new to them and i think that even though all the new songs had been performed/leaked, the people at the shows seemed to quiet down and listen to them as if they were brand spanking new. -thus reviews tend to say they killed momentum / weren't fan rocking - not the case, for fans it seemed they were more intrigued (wanted to actually take in and listen to the new songs more). -especially the people around me in the Mez 1 for the 12th and Mez 2 for the 14th.

-just my thoughts on the matter.

I consider this song a classic and it's not even on a album.

Madagascar is a great, great song - But unfortunately, it's the one new song that I don't think works at all in a live set.

I love how moody and downbeat it is, but it quite simply kills the momentum of a live show - It's obviously not a rocker, and it's not a ballad. It's really a very different experimental tune that will work fantastically on the record, but not so much with a large crowd of pumped up fans.

I didnt have a problem with it...

"Blues," on the other hand, was a let down.  The new intro doesnt work for me.

Madagascar took me a while to get into. Love it now.

However, I think the movie speech sampling is a bit archaic these days.

I really like it. I think using the same samples from 'Civil War' (among others) was a good idea, it's a pretty dark song, darker than civil war, so maybe it's an emphasis of that. And it's almost like it's a goodbye to the past, using that sample.

But i've not seen it live, so you know, maybe it is a momentum killer. But i think it'll work on the album.

It's sure to be on at least one of the three albums he plans to release.

Great song... but it needs to be perfect, if that makes sense.

Jimmy and Falcon, I agree 100%. Its the most overrated GNR song yet. repeats the same few lines over and over, and it just drags on and on. the lyrics should be redone, and then it might have potential. Also drop the MLK,civilwar,etc. bullshit. Anyone who thinks this is a masterpiece clearly has never heard a real masterpiece.

This song is in the filler category along with Riyadh,IRS, and Silkworms. If Madagascar ends up on an album that contains 13 tracks, then there definitely was not that many big guns in the vault.

i think its awesome, kind of pink floyd the wall or dark side of the moon type song, i cant definetly imagine it being on there.
i think it does have a slightly progressive influence, i love the quotes in it, and yeah i think the studio version will be great, although not as a single.

to be honest, loads of songs that are on albums that are not singles i end up prefering anyway, eg anything by led zep, they didn't release singles, mother by pink floyd, rocket queen by gnr.

 8)

god damnit, can people stop the comparing to zep and floyd, gnr holds its own.

anyone got a link to the new version? i love this song. 8)

Maddy is a masterpiece. IMO it's the best new song along with TWAT and the Blues


that was the song which made be believe in the nuGNR when i first heard it years ago :beer:

Love the MLK/Civil War speech. And I say it is a *real* masterpiece.

If you can make a comparison to Led Zep/ Floyd, that shows just how great the band is- those two bands are legendary, and achieved far more notoriety and classic status than GnR has, to date at least.

Right on!

what i don't like about the song is that people keep calling it maddy! please stop!!

i agree 100%, i was actually going to add that to my last post but then decided not to for some reason. it sounds fucking retarded. and by the way, i got a hold of the 12/5 bootleg of madagascar and it sounded the same to me, except for a retard from the audience singing alot to it.

I love Madagascar, but it did seem like on Friday night at least that it was a bit shorter (or a little rushed) then the 02 tour, great song nonetheless>

I've never really cared for it live.

I want to hear the studio cut, then I'll have a real opinion.

madagascar sounded great from what ive heard from the NY shows i can't wait to hear it live for myself at London Apollo wooooo its a birllient song

I always thought this tune was mediocre. The organ in the intro is pretty unique and makes it seem like the song will be interesting, but then those boring repetitive lyrics kick in and the song goes nowhere. The lyrics are just too melodramatic, as if they were written by some emo kid in his highschool english class. The movie samples feel like they were stuck in there just because there was nothing else interesting going on in the song. I'm still interested to hear a studio recording though, it might turn out alright in the end.

I think the hip-hop beats kinda "kill" the song. It would sound much much better with reall drums all along the song.

it grew on me that song, but now i love madagascar, its awsome : ok:

How can this song go from good to bad? It was either always good or bad.

LOVE the song. i reallly dont think it's boring, less boring than patiend for example. it's heavy and sets a great ambiance with the lightning.

it could be improved tho

= more verses, longer ones.
= heavier / rocker music during the speech samples

Its a good song, but i agree with some other people, its not a good LIVE song.  I don't think the blues is either, it just doesn't have that pick up that NR and patience does.  great song, but it just doesn't work for me live.

the ole hannahat has seen his last GNR show at hammerstein, bailing on tonights show - just sold my tix.  I think last weekend and monday night have finally caught up to me.  Probably the biggest regret I'll have this year (lifetime? hehe).

To those going, have a great time and if Izzy shows up, SOMEONE better tape it!

I still love the song. : ok:

I love the song, and quotes from Civil War work fine since the song is about the old bandmates.

I love this song... To me it's a modern day epic and I think it works well live.. a lot better than the blues. The movie quotes are cool.. they make it unique.

i guess you know that for sure? :-*

and that`s no reason to put in quotes from civil war....not that i have anything against them though...

I was at the first show in mezz 1 and I was unable to hear axl or MLK's voice throughout most of the song except for the loudest parts-- did others have this experience and has the mix (if thats what would be improved to help this) been improved?

Epic songs don't go over well with some people, especially live.  I dig it. 

Please tell me what makes this song an epic. The term "epic" being used to describe anything doesn't go over too well with some people.

Exactly -  I was at the 15th show and I thought that Maddy was one of the better songs played. I also saw most fans singing along - Not bad appreciation for a tune that has only been played live thus far