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I think the band is relying too much on the popularity of the old songs...

if they are to be respected and recognized as a legitimate band with their own music, they need to start playing their own shit.

I don't care if it pisses off the old-school fans who want to hear nothing but stuff from "appetite"...

gnr needs to prove that this band deserves as much respect as the original lineup...and the only way to do that is to start showing off their own material.

you don't see velvet revolver playing nothing but old gnr songs at their shows

this is not the original band...it is a NEW band....they need to start acting like it.

sure a couple of old songs here and there is fine...throw in "jungle" or "november rain"...but if they've got almost 3 albums-worth of material, they should fucking play it.

sure, people will bootleg it...but axl needs to accept that he can't keep the new stuff hidden forever...he might as well just get it out there and shut the critics up by showing us what the new band has to offer.

I think they should play some unheard songs, but I don't think the shows would be the same thing without the old ones.

yeah...the shows wouldn't be the same...that's the way it should be...because this isn't the SAME band.

in my opinion they should play about 12 new songs and 6 or 7 old ones...

the current setlist has almost nothing new...what are they afraid of?

axl needs to be careful how many new songs he plays or before we know it, we'll have heard the whole album, i think it should stay as it is, just more UYI songs

i don't care if the new shit gets out before the album is released...that's the price they pay for waiting so long to release it. 

if he RELEASED THE FUCKING ALBUM, he wouldn't have to worry about the new songs being heard before it comes out...it's his own damn fault for delaying it so long.

this band needs to stop pretending it's 1987...it's 2006, and the band has new members and new songs...act like a real band and play your own shit, gnr.

They can't go all out and play all new material cuz of all the boots that surface now adays....we'd have the album on boots

I think as time progresses we'll get more...but for now we get old stuff plus a prinlking of "new"

also i doubt axl will ever stop playing WTTJ, SCOM, NR, Patience, PC & YCBM....i think those 6 are here to stay :peace: but the rest will prolly leave at some point but not likely until the album is out : ok:

the setlist will change. first during the europe tour and than a complete new setlist for the US tour in fall when CD is supposed to come out... : ok:

maybe...

the other possibility is that axl is just lying about having a new album to generate interest so he can milk the gnr name one last time on this tour.


that way he could make a ton of quick cash from the tour and then just dissapear, never to be heard from again...and never release an album

think about it...by saying he plans to release something new, that creates more interest in the band and in the shows...it prevents people from labeling him as a washed-up hack who just wants to ride the popularity of the original band for one last paycheck.

I am a one waiting for the time they make the set out of just Chinese democracy songs.

I think they play oldies mainly because they want to make the audience happy, which makes the performers happy.
So, I wouldn't say they should do so right now but Maybe gradually. 

circumstances alter cases. And cd may alter the circumstances.

I think they will play more songs once the Album is out...but untill then, no.


FUck off  : ok:

If he really wanted to milk the gnr name he would have their songs in movies, commercials etc.  I think they will play more new songs as the tour grows.  I thought the mixture of new songs with old was fine.

you fuck off...i'm just saying it's possible...you can't say i'm wrong until the album is in the stores.

No. Totally Impossible and you know that.

I loved the new stuff, but nothing wrong with the old stuff.  I'm fine either way. :beer: :peace:

I could do without some of the guitar solos though...... :no:

hey...still no release date...nothing new being played at the shows...

axl toured once before and released nothing...how can you say it's impossible?

I think ppbebe said what I wanted to say...

So I'll rest my case...

I agree with ppbebe and pinball wizard...if CD doesn't exist why do these guys stick around? they all have other things on the go but they still choose to put it on hold for a fake album  :-\ i don't think so

Yes!

And I don't know any fake album with leaked songs on the internet  :hihi:

Nope.  They're playing just the right mix of songs right now.  Remember, a lot of people at these shows have never heard Better, IRS, and TWAT before.  These songs are new to a majority of concert goers.  Throw in Maddy and The Blues and there's about 1/3 of a show of new material.

As pinball and neemo said. plus it was once (or twice?) mixed according to the members.
Was played in the club stereo. Are all those people lying?  Impossible.

Here's another thing:

"hey...still no release date..."

So going in that direction we all can affirm that there's no new CD from Iron Maiden(they ended the recordings, but no release date yet), that there's no new Sebastian Bach record, no Velvet Revolver record or a new Aerosmith record, since there's no release date yet, even thought all these bands said that they are recording them or will start to soon...that's stupid...

ha....yeah, but they haven't been talking about an album for 10 years without releasing it....

those other artists haven't given mutilple release dates and gone on tour....and then still failed to release the album...

those artists have earned credibility by actually DOING WHAT THEY SAY in the past

I agree, I think the setlist should be dominated by new shit. So what if we hear all the songs on the album. Do they suck so bad that we won't buy the album after hearing them live? Give me a break. At the beginning of the UYI tour in '91 the set was PACKED with new shit that no one had heard and Axl frequently remarked during the shows that playing all the Appetite stuff would be "a real pussy thing to do." That sounds like double talking jive to me...

yeah but in '90 and '91 there was no internet like it is today....last night we got boots as the show happened :peace:

they could be sticking around for the money...bands make TONS of money off of concerts....that's how they make the majority of their money....bands get next to nothing from record sales - the record companies get most of that money...

but arists get the majority of the money from ticket sales...

a band could get filthy rich from just one quick tour

well we'll see, but personally I beleive this album is half a "hair's bredth" of coming out "soon" :hihi:

this dude HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD with the statement above...

who cares about bootlegs and leaks...if the music is good, people are still going to buy the album...whether they've heard the songs or not.

why would anyone choose to listen to some shitty live recording rather than buying the actual album?

people want the studio versions...and people buy the albums for sentimental value...to add to their collections...

the fear of bootlegs and leaks getting onto the net is not an excuse to play a bunch of old-ass songs that were recorded by another band.

You will nto get to hear new shit until Axl is 100% certain CD is coming out and they are near that date of release. He isn't gonna play his new shit for the bootleggers to have a field day on. The set list will have a lot more new shit once the CD drops.

who cares about bootlegs and leaks...if the music is good, people are still going to buy the album...whether they've heard the songs or not.

why would anyone choose to listen to some shitty live recording rather than buying the actual album?

people want the studio versions...and people buy the albums for sentimental value...to add to their collections...

the fear of bootlegs and leaks getting onto the net is not an excuse to play a bunch of old-ass songs that were recorded by another band.

i hope they don't play any more new songs, the old songs are classics and deserved to be played - however i think there should be more variation in the set list and maybe doing alternative versions of new song - like acoustic or something, would be good

Because Axl prob wants to debut his new material, the shit he is really banking on when its closer to go time or maybe not even until the CD is dropped. He doesn't want critics bashing it before it even hits the stands.. And well know negative press will follow Axl everywhere. Besides.. Too a lot of fans(the ones who are not of the forums, yeah there are a lot of them) this is still all new to them. They buy tickets to hear their favorites and I would too. When CD is dropped it will change a lot wit the GnR camp. Less older material and more new..

if the new stuff is good....he wouldn't have to worry about critics bashing it...

Maybe you are new to the media attention Axl gets.. Negative even if its positive.

Who gives a shit if we get the full album before its released. People are going to buy CD, its a legendary album. Live versions or even studio version leaks will probably decrease sales by less then 1 percent.

Axl :P thats why we get 2/3 old material :-*

Having been to two shows I can safely say when the new songs (even Blues, Madagascar and CD) are played, the crowd is visibly deflated.  Minus the few die hards who dig the new tracks (myself included) the rest of the audience is just chilling out...in the Mezz monday people were sitting down for the new songs.

its a catch 22, you can hear new songs, or you can go to a boring concert.

personally, i dig hearing the old songs, not like GNR has been touring for the past 15 years or so right?  This is the first time many people have even seen GNR live.  Why deprive SO many fans the opportunity to hear the classics (and there are SO many of them to be heard).

forget all the business side of things for a minute, just put yourself in a NON die hard position (if thats possible for some of you hahaha), you'd want to hear the old songs.

my girlfriend is NOT a gnr fan at all, and she had so much fun last night shes talking about going to wednesdays show - and it was b/c of songs like patience and NR and PC that she had such a great time, not the new songs.  I like being able to rock out and sing along to songs i know, not sit there listening to a song to see if i like it or not.

it's like the other poster said earlier:

they played tons of new stuff on the 91 tour before UYI were released...axl even said "it would be a pussy thing to do" to just play old shit from "appetite."

this new gnr just isn't behaving like a letgitimate band with its own original music. ?if i was in that band, and i'd spent 10 years recording tons of original music, i'd want to play it and show the world what i've created...i wouldn't play a bunch of old songs that were created by someone else.

they need to start playing their own music - the new band needs to step up and BECOME the new guns n roses...because right now they look like a bunch of desperate musicians who are willing to mooch off of the popularity of another band's songs, just to make a quick buck from touring.

BE YOUR OWN BAND, NEW-GNR...

give it up blues rocker...they aren't gonna play the new shit till the albums is either close or already out.

that's it........deal :-*

Amen.

I think some of you are more concerned with hearing new songs that nobody else has ever heard then you are with having an amazing time at a concert.

And as for changing the set list...why??? just b/c some of us are going to multiple shows??  news flash, these shows aren't for HTGTH die hards who are going to all 4 shows.  Not everyone is as insane as us.

Well it seems weird that they are filming a dvd so soon..... Why release a DVD after an album has droppped that has no radio single on it? So either they are currently playing the next radio single or.......Well who knows. Maybe it is just for a video.

theres too many people who waited way too long who havent gotten a chance to ever hear certain songs live so at least for this tour they should play more older songs... esp with no new album out.

i say a video...check out the "new" songs that have been played so far each night

May 12,
Better, Madagascar, The Blues, Chinese Democracy, There Was A Time, IRS

May 14
The Blues, Better, Chinese Democracy

May 15
Better, Madagascar, IRS, Chinese Democracy

the only 2 that have played all 3 nights are CD and Better....and they have been waering the same clothes each show.....hmmmm they are getting some live footage for something... i wonder what the setlist tommorrow will be like?

and i am staying with my theory that a single and video will debut this summer during the euro tour : ok:

I agree with fif. yes i do.

I think we should just be happy we're hearing ANYTHING at all.  Up till this last year things weren't looking so hot.  I want to hear the new album as much as anyone, but I'll settle for the classic tunes for now.  Once the new album comes out (fall hopefully) I'm sure the setlist will go through some big changes but until then Axl doesn't want to give you the entire album before you have a chance to buy it.  We've already heard 7 new songs that could potentially be on the album.

Rock on Axl!!!

There is more on Axl now then before. Everyone and their mother in the media expects them to fail. When he feels he is ready to let the public in on some CD tracks he will.

He obviously does not play new stuff, because he is not confident in it. I really doubt it has anything to do with the fear of it being leaked on the internet.

Agreed, I too felt the early shows would be used so footage for a new singles video could be filmed, I guess at these shows the crowd will definately be in to the music as well which would look good on a video and wouldn't be guaranteed at other shows this summer.

I think they also played The Blues last night though so assuming that first single video theory is correct it seems most likely the first single is CD, Better or The Blues which have been played every night.

I'm guessing it's Better simply because I don't think CD is strong enough to be a single and I don't think The Blues sounds right for the first single, it's certainly a strong song but maybe not first single material.

Also Better rocks ?: ok:

they played CD, Madagascar, The blues, Better, and IRS last night, so if they played TWAT, thats 6 songs in a 19 set, so thats not bad.  I wish they played TWAT instead of LALD

considering that this is a NEW band with its own catalogue of songs...i think they should play about 12 new songs, and about 6-7 old ones

They have been playing the Mad, Blues, and CD since I saw them in Vegas 01. ?Those aren't new and CD sucks. ?Get off your ass Axl and release/play the "big guns."

Axl can't win whatever he does.  If he plays 12 new songs and 6 classics he'll get hammered by the media and many fans.  I admit I wouldn't mind hearing 1 or 2 more new songs but if the album isn't gonna be released until December there's no point to playing them.  Then everyone would be saying, release the album now so we can hear the studio versions of the new songs.  No one's ever satisfied.  Just be happy that they've showed up and rocked their asses off for 3 shows so far.

I'm sure wants the albums come out .They will add more new songs to the set list.But right now they shouldn't .


Don't want the first time I hear something new to be from some shitty booty.

Come Rio I think they should play one unheard song. But it's not realistic for the band to play more than 7 songs off of the album which only has 13.
And they should play Rhiad some more as well.
I think once the tour starts the set list should feature:

Better
IRS
There Was A Time
Catcher In The Rye
Madagascar
The Blues
Chinese Democracy
Rhiad And The Bedouins

Plus some of the older stuff,but no Illusions stuff other than what's already being played. Then once he knows for sure the album is coming out he can play more unheard songs,and less older stuff. Then gradualy drop the older material from the set.

That's an interesting post! Not a good sign that people aren't digging the new stuff on first listen. When the original band debuted Civil War at Farm Aid back in the day everyone went nuts. An instant classic!  : ok:

Here's a little wake up call for those whining fucks who think Axl and co should be playing unheard CD tracks. Bands primarily tour to promote/sell their new product. These current shows and the Euro ones are carefully planned to appease the old fanbase and prime the new and old for what's to come. It's all about regaining interest in a band that's been out of action with new material for some 13 years! It's ridiculous to play new unherad stuff from a disc that is yet to see the light of day. The leaked demos aside, you won't hear CD stuff until they tour to support it upon release this fall. Until then STFU and appreciate that you're even seeing Axl again because it is a miracle this guy has pulled off a comeback of any sorts after so long in the wilderness.  :beer:   

For me, the trouble comes up when people refer to The Blues, Madagascar, and Chinese Democracy as "New" songs -

 Those songs have been around for 5 years, and for GNR fans who've been on board over the years, they're far, far from new songs.

Sure, it's great to have them in the set - But he could've switched it up a little to throw us maybe one track no one's heard.

WHY? What does Axl gain from doing this? Wait for the album and show some respect. The vast majority of Guns fans wanna hear the established classics. For all you know CD may tank and if that happens it'll be just like Metallica... two songs off St.Anger and a shitload of classics, problem solved. : ok:

Completely agree with you, I don't know what is so hard to understand about this.

As for my observation, I wouldn't say they were completely bored or uninterested, but the energy level goes WAY down.  People wanted to hear what they know and sing along and dance/rock out.

howcome some song lists for the 15th dont have the blues listed, dizzy did his intro then the blues was played ... also axl played 4 songs from UYI, he played 5 from what we expect will be on CD, so he's playing the new stuff, should he play more ... i think we ll see what happens during the european tour, i mean the nyc shows were called warm-ups so if he showed 6 new songs, maybe up that to 10 by the end of the tour, then drop cd in the fall then the following tour be half new half old

Axl and GNR gain legitmacy and respect by playing their own material, and not rehashing 20 year old songs for the 100th time. Axl gains little by putting on a Greatest Hits Show every night. If Axl wants to prove the doubters wrong, he's not going to do it by playing Out Ta Get Me and November Rain again and again.

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As for Metallica, I'm pretty sure they realized what a god-awful album they'd unleashed with St. Anger. With Chinese Democracy, the new songs are actually pretty damn great.

exactly

It's not 1991 anymore.  They can't play new songs without damaging record sales, so obviously it's highly unlikely, and if they do play a new one consider yourself extremely lucky. 

The majority of people going to the shows (unlike us hardcore fans) want to hear the old tunes.  So that, and a pool of six new songs they take turns playing is hardly unreasonable.