Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Hey guys,

I haven't seen a thread about this.  I heard that there was tention between Axl and Tommy.  Can somebody explain how they know that there were issues and what they were?

All I know is that I saw them hug on Friday and they seemed pretty tight.  I also know from previous Tommy interviews that he is a huge Axl fan and supporter. 

thnx

axl explained last night that he and tommy were fighting last week, and it got to a point where they each said fuck you to the other. however, he said that tommy was now enjoying the show a lot. also- on friday's show, tommy at one point randomly said "im having fun" and axl got really happy and hugged him and said to the audience "you guys don't know how much that means right now".

anyway, it seems like they patched over their differences, which were probably just caused by stress from preparing for these shows.

The good thing about this fight is that point  to  Tommy is not a yes man .

Right tommy will keep axl grounded

I know what you mean but it still concerns me.  Nobody ever wins those battles with Axl and they usually end badly.
It took me 10 years to get over the old band; if this band breaks up I'm done.

Well I'm glad to hear things worked out. ?I didn't know who Tommy was before his GNR days, but I am a huge fan now. ?I love his solo album and would be disappointed if he were to leave the band.

I bet Axl respects the shit out of Tommy for not being a yes man. ?It will only make their friendship tighter and band FN great!!!!

BTW. . .Thanks for clearing that up for me.

If Tommy can put up with Paul Westerberg then he can put up with Axl Rose.  :hihi:

The common thing that the band share (Ron Thal included) is that when Axl tells them he is ready to take GnR on the road they all love doing the GnR thing.

You have to expect little bits of in-fighting in any band at times (especially when you consider all the frustration surrounding GnR in the last 5 years) but from what I've been told about the gigs so far, the band seem to be much more united than in 2002 and are ready to hit the road and take Europe by storm.  :peace:

I was at the show Friday, and didn't hear about this until now.
I would hope it wasn't anything with his commitment to Soul Asylum, etc...
I would imagine, with Tommy being the band leader in rehearsals so to speak, that he was probably voicing his opinions on whether the band (and new guitarists) were ready to perform certain songs.

where the fuck did this info come from?
could someone give us a full storry?!

why dont we know more about this?1

They're just some things Axl said during the shows. There isn't a full clear bootleg yet, that's why you may have missed that.

this is info that axl shared at friday and sunday's shows (both of which I attended). the "fighting" apparently came to a head last tuesday (or at least i think thats what axl said last night). i dont think this has been a long-standing fight, just a minor one that kinda blew up at the time.

We'll probably never know what Axl n' Tommy were fighting about ... or even if there was an actual disagreement ... but I'm wondering if it could've been over that DJ Matt Cord? letting GNR stuff out on air that Tommy told him in confidence?? Didn't this guy mention the NYC shows during the Tommy interview before they were announced officially?? and on another one of his shows he was also talking about how GNR was now gonna have 4 guitarists.

... but then again, this is the same DJ who is supposedly gonna do a phone interview tonight with Axl ... http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=30051.0

Maybe this is why Last nights show was 4-5 songs short then Fridays.

o. topic, but where did your signature come from?

I wonder if their fight has anything to do with Axl only showing up for 1 of the rehearsals last week?

I guess so. trifles
seeing as how tommy's having fun on the show meant a lot,  possibly it had something to do with the way they run the shows or the band.

Tommy and the guys I'm sure have been busting their asses for a few weeks, maybe Axl made a comment and that set the two of them off.? I know from experience that happens alot in bands.

well, Tommy's nickname is The General, so i guess that leads us to believe that he is the one keeping axl in line(probably not a easy task)

That's great.  :hihi:

good to hear they are too good of buddies to let a small argument and a "fuck you" destroy a good friendship! :beer:

Tommy rules.  He can always do his own thing and he is talented as fuck. 

whats with rock stars and ego,whats with peoples ego anyway? you would think that people in a band which in its essence is a group working together would try to make sacrifices and such but to meit seems people are people and r just assholes whos heads r to big for there shoulders...everybody should just think to oneself that u will die at a time and thats most likely it and just chill and be happy and work together... :nervous:

Tommy and Axl were apparently saying "I'm so sick of you" and "fuck you, fuck this, fuck that" a few days ago...

Now they are okay and everything, but maybe they aren't doing so well and are just getting through this. Tommy has been doing a lot of other things, and when Slash, Duff did this years ago, we all know what happened.

Just pointing it out, everyone is stoked on the return and shows, but this might be an issue soon.

 :yes:

sorry but please merge this, I didn't see the previous thread. Sorry

It hasnt gotten overlooked, believe me (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=30062.0).

It looks like those two made up on stage though.

god its early on to make rumours and ideas like this

                          Its gonna be wild to hear Stinson and Rose argueing. Because Tommy Stinson has been in Axl's corner for years supporting him.

where did this come from??

Tell me a situation in life where you don't fight with your work mates, friends etc every so often and then go and a have a beer and it's all sorted? :)

No big deal and the hug certainly shows it's all sorted. And as Dave said it could be a good thing  :)

No biggie. Finck and Axl used to fight/argue all the time when Finck joined the band. It's just the way it is when you're in a band and you work together.

it only takes somethin' bullshit like this for one of you guys to start blabbin' that Tommy might quit n' stir up trouble!! :-X :-X

does tommy still do coke (and/or other drugs)???

if so, that could cause problems.

So could eating the last slice of Axl's pepperoni pizza, but that's not it. So to answer your question, no.

Ok, when you're in a band, you argue. That's just the way it is. Here's what Robin Finck had to say about joining GN'R and working with Axl:
"I got a call from Axl Rose, who I never met at the time. He invited me to the studio as he was writing and recording songs. It was an invitation for a casual listen. Eventually, after about 8 weeks, we started playing together. We played some of my songs and finally I left the circus and was doing records with Axl, Josh, and Tommy, and what would have been a new Guns 'n Roses, if you will.

We wrote and rehearsed and argued and laboriously recorded several records worth of musical material, which to the best of my knowledge Axl is still finishing. But my work was through. We had dozens of finished songs, as far as I was concerned, and we were waiting for Axl to complete the songs. So the timing was perfect. Nails were about to go on the road again, and I wanted to go out on the road with them."

Whens that interview from?

What was the interview Tommy did on radio a while back, when he refused to talk about GN'R?

Mabye they were on shaky terms back then too.

I wouldnt be suprised if the friction was partly caused by Axls refusal to play new material, music that this version of GN'R actually made. It must be so frustrating to have to play other peoples music when you have been working on new material for so many long years.

And I thought the 2002 tour was "To say goodbye to the old stuff"?

I am not sure, I found it at this website a few years back: http://www.geocities.com/reviewarch/archive/475/robinf.htm

I wanted to use that part of the interview to illustrate the fact that all bands, in this case GN'R, argue from time to time (not just Axl and Tommy). It doesn't mean anybody's gonna quit or anything. It's just a natural component of being in a band.

If I'm not mistaken, Robin said this when he left GN'R in july 1999 to re-join NIN.

Yes it was 1999  : ok:

I think some of you have too much time on your hands.

I saw the band on the 12th and they were fucking tight!


The bandSounded 100% better than '02, and also were alot looser.


They were having a fucking great time, especially Finck, Stinson, and Rose.

Finck was playing with everyone, including Pittman, and Stinson looked like he woudn't want to be anywhere else.

Tommy was clowning around during Patience, when he had nothing to play, and had a grin like has was real happy the whole night.

I think at one point he was even rolling around on the floor, during Paradise City, i think, correct me if I am wrong.

2002 was band of musicians plaing together, May 12 was a BAND. Completely different feel, everything felt right, I know why Axl said it felt good, you could tell, they surprised the hell out of me.

BTW, Finck has stepped up, BIG TIME. He is a leader in this band, and proved it.

I totally agree there. unlike before where you'd see glimpses.. this time this band is really gelling and having so much FUN up there!!!!!

The General making sure Axl doesn't get carried away!  : ok:

my guess as to the start of this friction: bumblefoot.

my guess isn't any more worthwhile than any others, but if these guys have been recording and rehearsing and preparing for this tour for a long time and all of the sudden axl, who hasn't attended many rehearsals, calls and says "hey, i just hired on ron thal to play all of bucket's old stuff and take some of the solos." i would guess the rehearsal "general" might flip out a bit. regardless of how talented and/or necessary thal may be, these guys were presumably putting the last bit of polish on, getting ready to play the shows as a seven piece band (hard to believe 7 isn't enough) and to get a call one week in advance that completely reshuffles the deck would be frustrating, to say the least. maybe i'm completely off base and bringing on thal was something the band agreed upon, but as soon as i heard the statement that he had only been in the fold for a week, my first reaction was that it was pretty messed up to do to the rest of the guys. one big piece of evidence for my theory is the statement tommy made in an interview just a few weeks back when asked if they were looking for a replacement for buckethead. i don't remember exactly the wording of the response, but it was something to the effect of "hell no, i'm just glad the guy is gone."