Here Today... Gone To Hell!

After these two first shows, do you think it's time for us to forget about the new band palying Civil War, Estranged, Don't Cry, etc ... ??

I really would like to hear them playin' those songs, but i'm starting to lose hope ...

Nevermind, as long as TWAT and Better are played and the hits from AFD !

i`ll wait for june 2nd to make any final judgement on the band and what they`re doing.....

(keep rio in mind as well... : ok:)

they better play Estranged and Double Talkin' Jive, or i'm gonna go on a baby eating spree.

I do worry that as well. ?I'm nervous that half of the Guns back catologue has just been simply forgotten and songs like Double talkn jive, move to the city, perfect crime, estranged, pretty tied up, locomotive, breakdown, garden of eden, will just never be learned/played by this new band. ?sad. ?

sidenote...has Don't Damn me ever been performed live at any point in the band;s history?

I know one thing, we will NEVER here Garden of Eden live. :hihi:

Yup. It means they will never play the actual "good stuff" from the Illusions, ever again. The good stuff to me is Civil War, Estranged, Locomotive, Coma, Right Next Door To Hell, Back Off Bitch, Don't Cry, Breakdown, etc...

And to me, that is a damn shame. A damn shame.

No Don't Damn Me has never been played live.


And I also agree, it's a shame that some of Guns greatest songs arn't even getting played.

Civil War, Perfect Crime, Estranged, Don't Cry and all the rest of them, all of them or at least the key ones need to be resurrected live.

It was played live a few times in '93.

They definately need to show some more versatility. ?Never hearing Coma, Don't Cry, Double Talkin Jive, Civil War etc. live again would be a crime. ?this.

the only songs i see that have a chance are:

back off bitch,
dead horse,
breakdown,
shotgun blues,
estranged,
and my world

 (i know, im naming some bad songs) i know im forgetting two or three, but these are the ones that are actually axl's.

remember, he said he wont play dont cry because its an izzy song, im pretty sure it would take heavy consideration before playing anything that belongs to slash or izzy.

Makes me think Axl isn't crazy about the those particular songs anymore. ?Estranged had a huge impact on him when it was done live as the song is extremely personal for him.

I could be off on it - but if he still liked them, one would think we'd be hearing them live.

when did he say he won`t play don`t cry, because it`s an izzy song???  bullshit.... he played patience.    he doesn`t just play the songs that were basically written by him dude...

that's interesting....but i have to imagine that Slash/Izzy/Duff had a huge hand in writing some of the songs that he is performing now. ?Like Sweet Child is obviously a Slash riff even though slash hates it, and Brownstone, Jungle, It's so Easy....just a few that were at least partly written by former members. ?

I have a boot of them performing this during the Illusions tour. 

in 02.


im not saying he only plays songs taht are only written by him, but ill bet it all depends on the amount of his involvement in it.

also, in the liner notes of UYI 2 he says estranged wouldbe nothing without slash, i assume that is why we dont hear it anymore

partly, thats my point.

remember the trunk interview where he talked about fighting with everyone to get songs done? i think that is what is kind of deciding what he plays now.

I think you MAY hear some of those songs sometime down the road. ?I wouldn't expect it anytime soon though. ?I think they're focussing on the new songs and the list from 2002 until the band becomes a cohesive unit. ?Once that happens they may be able to experiment a bit.

Do you have the link to where I could read that because I have never heard Axl mention Don't Cry in 2002 or any recent years.

No, it's not. It's not their stuff. I can't see the new GNR play "Estranged" for exemple, The shadow of Slash is way too big for them. It's time for them to play their own songs, not to make money on other people's songs. Or they would be seen as (only) a Karaoke band. I like when they play Better, the Blues, Madagascar, Twat, IRS etc... you know, their own songs. It's too easy to make money on other people's songs....way too easy.
They don't deserve that much glory to do that.

thats why i liked fridays set better.

these guys need to establish an  identity as a band.

I hope so....one thing seems to be sure. ?While the new band has done an admirable job with the songs they are performing, there are definately classic Guns tunes that are not in their current repitore. ?

Absolutely.

i couldnt tell you exactly from where, but i do know that other board members heard it as well and are familiar with the incident (people at one of the shows were requesting dont cry, and the 'sorry, thats an izzy song' was his response, thats partially why people think that an izzy appearance will lead to dont cry being played at hammerstein).

But it's supposed to be Guns n Roses though right? ?Isn't that what Axl is calling it? ?If their focus was on establishing themselves as a band i wish they would have called it somethng else other than GNR. ?

Technically, it' still a shame, because I did say beforehand: "To me,..." ;)



Right. Is that why they played 10 out of 12 songs from AFD and this year 8 out of 12 or so? I love when they play new songs, but don't tell me anyone on this board wouldn't like to hear Breakdown, Don't Damn Me, Back Off Bitch or Don't Cry instead of Out Ta Get Me or Live And Let Die or something...

i would like to hear a couple of those, but id really like to see the new music start to take over the set list. not totally, but 9 from AFD, 1 from lies, 4 from USI and 6 new songs felt like a really great cross section of the catalogue/

well, I would say it depends on what kind of songs. Some songs like "Estranged" are too connected to the old band. Some others are "neutral". For exemple "it's so easy" is neutral, old Gnr, VR or newGNR this song is neutral and works great for all these bands. However, to make justice to a song like "Estranged", Axl and Slash must be there. BOTH of them. They just make one in that song.

i dont know, after hearing robin on friday, ive almost forgotten who slash was.

These are only warm up shows.

Im very confident more Illusions songs will surface in due time, but yes, I think it's time to forget about songs like Coma, and Coma although Id take those songs over any of the Illusion material Axl's chosen to play for these shows so far..

i agree with you; i would like to listen Don?t Cry and Estranged

let me remind you...he's the guy who wrote most of that stuff Robin was playing ?: ok:

as much as i'd like to see this Guns band expand their repitoire, i agree with you here...

you know what i meant.

yeah, and i will be honest...i was VERY impressed with Robin this weekend. His playing was outstanding, he has a great stage presence, you can tell he's invested in the band and really into the songs they are playing old or new. 

But nobody is every going to make forget about Slash or wish that he wasn;t still in the band.  I'll give you this...my ultimate Guns lineup now consists of Axl, Slash, duff, Matt, and Robin  :beer:

i might pick brain over matt.

but more from rock in rio than these warm ups.  he was amazing at RIR but in the warm ups some of the power isnt there.
dont know why

Yeah, I had heard such amazing things abour Brain but was underwhelmed by him  this weekend.  And sometimes he deviates a little from the original beats and fills that were recorded on the old albums....which is ok....just bothers me for some reason.  I guess i'm so used to hearing (and playing) those songs a certain way, it bugs me that he's not doing it like that!  Plus Axl's dig on Matt Friday night was really the only low point of the two shows for me. 

what the difference between a million dead babies and a ferrari?

Theres no ferrari in my garage!

To be fair, these guys have 36 of their own songs, plus all of Appetite and 5 or so songs from the illusions and lies.  On the illusions tour the band knew like 31 songs.   Some of those illusion songs there simply isn't room for  :no:

i remember reading an article around 2001/2002 where axl said that he picked the set list because they were the songs that the band sounded the best playing. i think he said something like some of the other songs didnt really fit the new band's style.

Of course there is room for them... IF the band doesn't play the exact same songs every night. ?If they want to put on an exciting show (which they should be doing considering the ticket prices), then the setlist should be a little unpredictable. ?So maybe you drop November Rain one show and play Civil War instead... maybe instead of Jungle being the opening song (or even being played), you play Perfect Crime.

These setlists are BORING! ?Ok, it was exciting on the first show that they played the leaks, but the rest of the show was exactly the same as 2002. ?The setlist for the 14th was even worse... it is way too predictable. ?Some of the setlist suggestions on these boards have rules about "how many songs should be played from each album", "what percent of material needs to be new for the band to be credible", etc., etc.... That totally sucks the fun out of a "live concert".

we may see don't cry if izzy shows....thats bout it....

The problem is, the band has so much material from the 3 albums they are working on recording, they can only be good on so much of the old stuff.   Like how the band was good on about 31 songs for the illusions tour and they picked some songs randomly each night, thats about how much material this band has to stay sharp on.

I dont find the setlists boring at all.  Its a GNR show man, they are going to play a lot of the classic appetite stuff that the fans want to hear.

I don't think we will be hearing estranged anytime soon unless Robin has been working on it for awhile.  It is a very difficult song and I remember Dizzy saying that when they first started playing it they'd have this little prayer: "Please let us get through Estranged"  Unless Robin is able to make his guitar feedback like Slash did I don't think Axl is going to want to ruin it just for the sake of playing it. I'd love to hear it but I don't want to hear a half assed version of it either.

If Axl only plans on playing the leaks from now until CD is out then he should take more advantage of the old catalog and mix it up a bit before he has to make room for the new songs and drop some old. Its just boring he is playing basically the same set as in 2002. Lets see what suprise da rose has for us tonight, if any.

We won't hear that stuff :( I want Don't Cry, Civil War, Right Next Door To Hell, Locomotive, Breakdown, Back Off Bitch, Estranged, Coma...

Yeah I thought maybe if they play a shorter set, there may be one or two Illusion surprises in there.

I'd like Locomotive, Back Off Bitch, Civil War or Estranged! maybe some Yesterdays! I'd be happy to drop LALD for it too.

Still, many shows to go!

Umm... I think every single person in the Hammerstein had plenty of "fun".

I think some people are forgetting that these are WARM UP SHOWS. And how does one warm up...? By playing what you know.

Geez... will you let the band get moving before you start requesting songs in the set that haven't been played for fifteen years... ?::)

i don't think they'll ever play anything off UYI that they haven't already played.  it seems like that's a period axl would rather forget.

That's exactly what I've been thinking - To a lot of fans, the UYI records are great (I count don't myself among them though - I only like about 9 tracks of the 30 total on the UYIs), but it's no secret that Axl wasn't satisfied with how they turned out in the end.

I know it may be a slow process for a band to learn and practice some new songs to put into a set, but as the poster below you pointed out, they aren't giving off the impression that they have any intention to introduce any new UYI songs into their setlist.

They've had 4 years off and are only introducing 1-3 different songs in their concerts? ?I wish I could say that I REALLY want to be in New York right now to catch these shows, but the truth is, I've seen it already in 2002.

Agreed it's just a warm-up, so I'll reserve my judgement on their setlist until the tour is in full swing... but it just doesn't feel like they're going to introduce anymore of the band's back catalogue. ?If that's the case and they're going to gradually phase out the old material and just play a few hits in a set made of mostly new material, then why call themselves Guns N' Roses? ?You could just hit the road with the new album and do 4-5 old GN'R covers (similar to VR). ?

I'm fine with Axl keeping the name and since he is doing that, I would hope that the band would play a varied setlist that includes some of the great songs the fans want to hear but appear to be buried right now. ?Especially considering how much talent this band has...

Oasis does the same thing playing the same setlist every night and I think it's really lame.

different opinions, but as far as I noticed, i think most of the people would like to hear more UYI songs ... Axl, if you read this, Please play Civil War, Estranged, Don't Cry ..one of them!

Of course i love hearing the new songs, they're great and they're their compositions! They must feel great playin them ... but old Guns fans deserve to hear more UYI songs ... that's my opinion... i find it difficult to happen, but it would be AWESOME !!

Come on man, do you play guitar? Estranged is not that hard to play ... it's a very complex songs, and one of the most beautiful Slash's compositions, but Fink has definately the technique to play it!

It's not presumptuous to think that what we've got is what we've got.  Not expecting much different from this until CD is out.

I would do anything to hear Pretty Tied Up played live in London  :crying:

I figured if it were to happen, they would drop in a random UYI track every now and then to help mix it up abit once they were established, the album is out and they are on a GNR show section of the tour, not festivals, perhaps when they do a proper US tour

I've seen an interview somewhere (possibly in Behind The Music) while they were recording UYI and axl was saying how he didn't wanna live his life through Appetite (for Destruction), he wanted to bury that album and move on? ??? when i first saw the setlist for the 2002 tour seemed like it was the opposite (i mean 10 out of 12 songs from that album). Kinda like Metallica on the St.Anger tour, got to the point where they dropped all St.Anger songs from the setlist on the last few shows of the St.Anger/Madly in Anger with u tour and were playing more Black Album songs than ever, weird

one or 2 more Illusions songs wouldn't hurt would it ? (out of the 3 there playing, KOHD, LALD and November Rain, 2 of them are covers)

o well can't afford to be picky, just happy to have em back regardless of what they play

They've been playing "You Could Be Mine," too; that's a UYI song. And I don't really see why it should matter who wrote most of the song or not; I mean, isn't "It's So Easy" a Duff song?

I was wondering if the similar setlists might be because of Bumblefoot. He's only been in the band for like a week or two, right?? Maybe he's not comfortable playing some of the other tunes yet; maybe he doesn't fully know them.

Or maybe Axl feels that people just want to hear AFD stuff. Although if that was the case, he should at least throw "Think About You" and "Anything Goes" and "You're Crazy" in there from time to time.

Also, all these DVD rumors might be the cause of it. Same songs. Same clothes. Who knows?

The setlist for the NY shows will probably remain the same for most of the upcoming concerts. I mean, songs like "WTTJ" and "Sweet Child O'Mine" and "Paradise City" will always be played. Same thing goes for "November Rain" and "Patience." I think the band will play more UYI in the future, but AFD songs will always be played a whole lot more.

yeah and no.....YCBM was kicking around before appetite...check the afd liner notes : ok:


and NR was a work in progress on forever