Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Slash has denied speaking to axl or going to his house, axl says he spoke to slash went to his house and bashed his vr buds.. Someone is lying, so who is it..?

Well even if Slash is the one lying (Which i dont think it is), that means that Axl has also lied. If you remember the Rolling Stone interview in January this year, Axl says he loves Slash and hasn't spoken to him in 10 years! Take from that what you want, but 1 or 2 months later and he came out with the statement about the October 2005 incident. So Slash may or may not be lying, but somewhere along the line, AXL HAS LIED!

yeah just on that alone he did lie either way..

Remember the "official" press release did not have the paragraph about the visit.  Then, we see a version of the release with the paragraph talking about the visit.  I wonder if that whole thing was just some scam?

It just bugged me how everyone just said axl was telling the truth because it was a press release..

"why would Axl lie in an actual press release?" is what everyone's argument was on that.  Like Slash said, maybe it was to create attention for his new tour/album?

news flash people lie all the time, it's like is axl worried about his credibility or what people think of him.. I think not... It's really no harm no foul..

My opinion is that someone added this part on & i doubt Axl did i mean most press releases missed these crucial parts it just seems too unrealistic the whole hting. Its gonna be funny when Axl clears the air & says he didnt put that on the statement someone else did then every axl nut hanger on this forums gonna have to eat grow (not that they ever do, they're never wrong, nor is axl  ::) )

Remember that there were two official press- releases? One of them with the part about Slash visiting Axl in it, the other one without it. I think it' s possible somebody added the Slash- story to the press release (for whatever reason...) without Axl even knowing about it. Someone should definitely ask him about it...

If the Slash part was intentionally put in the press release by Axl, I tend to believe that Axl' s telling the truth and didn' t make the whole thing up (except for publicity reasons maybe... which would be a shitty thing to do IMO). I can' t explain why, it' s just a gut feeling or something like that...

I'm gonna sort of comment on a few posts all in this one instead of spreading it apart.  Here's my take on the whole thing.  I also believe that someone may have gotten ahold of the press release and fucked with it after it came out.  The original one didn't have that stuff in it......it got put out, someone alters it and resends it out to the business wire crap.  Not conspiracy theory, but I do believe that people would fuck with GNR/VR for financial gain.  My reasons being the recent discussion of the Metal Sludge rumors about Slash being divorced and all that.  They see there's garnered interest in the Slash/Axl fued so they add this for their prosperity. 
I also believe that Axl clarified it when he did the Trunk interview....there were no reunion talks or nothing like that.  Those were all made up by some source and plastered into magazines like Classic Rock. 
Another part of me believes that management of both parties are also not to be believed.  It is their job to protect their client and in doing so.....sometimes the truth must be fabricated (such as the Bumblefoot thing and denying he was in talks with the band).   There are a lot of issues at hand and people seem to be quick and point the finger and say Slash is a liar, Axl is a liar, Duff is a liar, etc. 
The press had a lot to gain from this........Weiland made a stark comeback at Axl and that was the stuff they wanted.  Fueling the fire so to speak.  When in reality Axl, Slash and Duff probably have no worries in the world about each other (minus the business ends being settled in court). 
As for the whole Slash said CD in March......well I'm sure Slash still has many connections to GNR from the past and it's quite possible one of them could have told him this.  Maybe Izzy?  Who knows, but either way....Slash and Axl really haven't said horrible things about each other.  Minor things like "he's in my ass or I feel sorry for that guy", but shit most of the times they've complimented each other.  Eh let the press have their bullshit.  I just wish to live in a world where GNR and VR can co-exist and even respect each other.  One big RNR family.  Fuck the media.

This is a hard one...
Who do you think is the one bullshiting?
There is only one guy on the war path with the entire world.
Tip - it is not Slash

not slash thats for sure..

its all BS. axls pissed cause of the shit he has to deal with. people lable slash as a god ( well he is ) and axl as the reason that the greatest RnR band isnt together. so axls the bad guy. and all the shit that is untrue that people say pisses him off. so he says something untrue. dduduuuuurrrr. dont be stupid. you would do the same thing.

axl always lies

This story is fucked up...I'm not even gonna try and guess cuz i like both guys :peace:

That's the smart thing to do!  You take a side and boom, you've immediately fallen into the media's game.  :beer:

i agree 100% with you  : ok:

I don't think those words came from Axl's mouth to begin with really.
I think Axl's press release is lying!
one of his suits found out that they could slip that thing out on the GNR forums, but leave it out of the official press release, and get away with it in court like that..."we never said that, someone on the GNR forums added that part!". in that way, it spread like fire on the boards,in other words they built a storm or rumors in the GNR/VR community. and with that in mind, I think what Slash said on the radio about creating a hype is correct.

I totally agree.  I saw one press release and then saw another, with the last paragraph added.  Think about it....even if Slash did go up to his house at 4:30 in the morning, do you think Axl would have let him through his pearly white gates?  I mean, come on.....     I have always doubted it ever happened.  And I don't think Axl would say that, if it didn't happen - he can be an asshole at times, but not that much of one! 

Slash is the liar.

Axl wouldn't just make that up, a whole story.

I think the opposite is true

Axl has lied several times (the latest beaut about being pressured into 2002 when he said the exact opposite in 2002 being a good example), whereas the only lies anyone can come up with for Slash on this board is some flimsy story about backing singers  ::)

It is publicity for Axls comeback

Slash didn't lie.... Axl may not have either.  If the source of the statement was from Axl, then he lied.. It seems to me to have been fabricated.

who cares at this point ;D

at the time, all it did was fuel specu;lation Slash was leaving VR and rejoining Axl, obviously, thats not the case....

it could have been somefone from Axl's camp that put the blurb in it

but since Slash isn't going back, and both have stated it as such, who cares

i know, and slash is a proven liar. he has lied so many times about gnr and everything else that it's fucking unbelievable, and i'm not just saying that because axl said it, i've seen his lies and obvious contradictions myself. sad, for a man that i used to respect.

didn't axl lie simply because he said he hadn't spoken to slash in ten years, then weeks later said this whole story?? I mean either way he lied right there..

I really don't know or care, but whoever believes neither lie needs a head exam

Axl lies all the time...

Read old interviews with him....In one interview ( and you can find them all on mtv.com)  he says he wanted the band to experiment and move forward...

then in another interview (most notably with Kurt Loder) he says he wanted to make a traditional AFD record but Slash stood in the way......

Axl also lied about what happened in St. Louis saying he couldn't see the guy that he hit, although the tape clearly shows the man standing in front of him...

Did Slash show up at Axl's house? Dunno, and probaly never will....

Why does everything have to become this big issue around here?  I mean, who cares?  Do you guys really believe that everything that comes out on the internet is the "gospel truth" of what was said or done?  I still don't believe Axl even said that, himself, nor did any visit happen.  So, neither one of them is lieing - drop it!  Again, who cares?!?   

I don't think Slash is lying. I don't think Axl is lying. We have never heard Axl, in his own words, claim that this visit took place. Axl's own words regarding Slash was that he has not spoken to him in 10 years. Slash has been saying the same thing all along. I have no reason to disbelieve either of them when their stories are consistant. Unless Axl himself comes out and claims that Slash visited him, there is no reason to believe that the visit took place.

Poor Slash has been the subject of a lot of negative rumors for the past few months. I feel like a lot of you people here that neither Axl or Slash is lying.

Who cares. Both lied in the past and will lie in the future. They are not saints. I don't care till it doesn't affect the music or 'the fans'. When it does, I am 'whining'.  :P

Here is a link to the Slash interview.

http://download.yousendit.com/C537C0C95FE59256

My opinion is that Slash is not lying.

It's obviose AXL is lieing.
He has had it in for Slash publicly for a while now.

I am a GNR/VR/ fanatic and have never heard Slash say anything negative or at least hurtful about AXl.  Even without camers--got to meet him once--He actually still gives AXl compliments about being the best front man in RNR and about his cool I don't give a Fuk attitude.  Matt has given the same compliments.

Everything about AXl is a lie now!  His poser "modern  prep GQ" look, the way he tried to change his voice so it's not as screechy, His corny, embarassing lyrics on IRS, and the nasty things he says about Slash, Matt publicly (Slash is in my ASS!) rant.  HIs bloted botox face, fake hair, fake thank you to fans.  He cancells the last tour because it's not selling like he expected--what a selfish lier.  At least VR plays to 2,000  or even 1,500 fans at times  like they are thankful and understand each fan counts and not their egos or wallet size.

It is documented and proven AXL is a lier.  Say what you will about Slash--just give us the proof!

Hmm sounds like you got some problems you need to work out with a shrink.? Seriously, let it go man, you're living in la la land.?

Since when has Axl had it out for Slash??  And what nasty things has he really said about Matt and Slash in public?  I'm pretty sure the "Slash is in my ass" comment was NOT directed AT Slash.....it was directed to the douchebag fan that was chanting Slash while Axl was performing.  I don't see where it derails Slash in any bit?  Infact I remember hearing a few positive words towards Slash from Axl.  And as for Matt, didn't Axl and he make up?  But then again you'll bring up the "Where was this guy when we hired Matt" comment.........This was Baz's comment and while it did give Brain a thumbs up....it really wasn't directed to flat out derail Matt.  Once again you've became a puppet to the media's complete and utter fabrication that is this phony AXL vs. MATT/SLASH/DUFF "war".

AXL IS THE LIAR !!

I don't want to make an ass out of u & me. So I won't jump to any false conclusions. Nobody knows what happened except for the two people involved. It was something personal between the two of them and had no business being in a press release.

so true, and both of us will lie again too : ok:

Great post? : ok: , This whole fued is pretty much caused by the media

What does a press release from AXL got to do with "being a puppet of media"? More like being a puppet of Axl.

What's a lier?

You know what he ment

You mean a press release that went out without any mention of Slash......then MYSTERIOUSLY reappeared edited about half an hour later with this amazing story??  Yep, give me proof that that thing was Axl's idea to re-edit that press release and there you have.  As of yet from Axl's mouth you've heard nothing and infact he denied talking to Slash for almost 10 years back at that Korn thing. 

none of it happened the whole story is bullshit

Damn I'm not sure that anyone will ever know the exact truth! For now, since I certainly don't have a clue as to what really happened, I won't take sides and guess who lied. Imo it might not have been either one of them.

Mysteron said he asked for confirmation 3 times from Merck and recieved the go ahead so i tend to believe that press statement was GNR sanctioned for message board use only. Thus the reason it wasnt in the press release to AP. Whatever Axl's intentions were its hard to say it worked. VR still seem to be strong, not counting Slash's divorce but he seems to be slowly getting back in with the mainstream.

Im curious why noone has questioned Axl about this  ???

What was sent out through Business Wire was edited by them. It wasnt what was intended, so they released it again with  the additional stuff in it (the slash visit).


http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=27306.0

Slash is lying.  Come on, this guy is known for loving the press and media.. Axl not so much.   Is it a conincidence that Slash is completely silent for 2 months then waits until the day after Guns play their first gig in 3 1/2 years to basically call Axl a liar?  ;D  Oh right, he had no idea about the GNR shows.  yet he knew about a release date that never happened  :hihi:

ur a jerk

He had an idea about them playing

the release date he said it casually as the person from the GNR camp had told Axl late last year & im guessing they were the plans at the time.

Unlike u Slash doenst have the time to surf the net & be up on everything on Guns N Roses

Well well....if it isn't my favorite hillbilly...Jim Bob. Still up to your old tricks I see. Do you realize regardless of what Slash has said, Axl is still a liar? He claims that he hasn't spoken to Slash in 10 years. Now if Axl's statement is true, then his press release is an outright lie. If it's not true...well then his statement at the Korn party is a lie. Either way your hero is a liar.

I'm thinking his comments to Rolling Stone were said because he didn't want to go into the whole Slash thing there.  If he'd of said Slash was at his house a few months back, then reunion rumors would have been much worse than they already are.  It was a little white lie to avoid going somewhere he didn't wanna go.. ya her? 

Thats if Slash did in fact go to Axl's house last october, which I do believe he did.  So if you wanna get technical, both guys are lying.  But the events Slash lied about are what I believe occured, making Slash the liar.

Slash didn't go to Axl house, it's a bullshit, Axl is a liar, he told those stupid thing to promote his new album !

Axl didn't actually talk to Slash in Oct 2005.

Or just your eyes  ears, or memories are lying to you?

1) Has AXL said that he spoke to slash himself then? No.

2) while slash denies having a conversation with Axl, he doesn't refer to the alleged visit. 

Or am I missing something?

That is not a real lie, he just didnt want to get into it at the party. Yeah i thought it would have gone over real well if axl dropped that bombshell at that party.

Not quite. The last thing Axl needs when trying to get his shit together for this tour and album release is more press about Slash and really
gay he said she said thing going on. Honestly, I don't think either of them said anything and it's all bullshit. Untill I actually see one of them saying
they got together, I'll take that position at least -

The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle - in this case, it might be somewhere in the middle, but I'd guess Slash's version is more true than Axl's.? The reality is that none of us know for sure, nor will we likely ever know.

the words were most likely not Axl's to begin with.
regardless that press release was full of shit.

Very comical..... If Axl lies, it is not a "REAL" lie......   I personally am not convinced   that Axl ever said those things in that press release  in the first place... But since you like to run around proving points.... Your post proves the point that if Axl took a big steamy dump on your face you would say it didn't smell... And if it did smell, you would totally convince yourself it was someone elses shit.... Or that it was some conspiracy like someone must have put something in his food to make his shit stink....

It's sad that dislike Slash so much that you aren't even willing to take your hero's word on it. Axl could have easily said "no comment" or "I'd rather not talk about the past" when asked about Slash if he didn't get into it. What would be the point in lying, especially if he planned on talking about the info publically at a later date? Just maybe he was telling the truth and so is Slash.

amazing how even when axl lies you still find a way to say it's not a "real" lie.... :rofl:

If slash had said trhe same things and two different times you'd all be here wit the tourches and pitchforks saying slash's a liar, I mean look at the crash diet thread, you picked the worst pic of slash to post but none of the others.. Quite the piece of work :hihi:

That's our dave, full of piss and vinegar when it comes to anything that's against Axl's agenda.
Axl lied, VR is still together. Mission failed Mr. Rose.

He is right mike! after all i mean Axl is the second coming & he can do NO wrong  :rofl:

I admit my hero's down falls (be it Axl Slash non musical heros that i have), Dave cant even admit em. He has a double standard

anybody who believes that outrageously ludicrous press release is a fucking idiot.? that thing said that Slash not only came to Axl's house, but also implied that Slash basically got on his knees and screamed for penance at Axl, saying that Axl was God of Guns N Roses and the reason for their success, etc.

Yeah, I'm suuuuuuure Slash really did that.? Anyone who believes a word of that shit press release needs their fucking brain examined.? Hell, that press release strongly appears to have been written by any of Axl's dense minded fanboys on this site.

I can't even believe Axl had much to do with that press release himself, because I find it difficult to believe that Axl would actually be stupid enough think anyone would believe a damn word of it.


Slash never showed up at Axl's house, he never wouldve had a reason to.? Both Slash and Axl said they hadnt seen each other in ten years, and that's the bottom line.  the rest is all contrived bullshit by people who want attention.

Axl needed publicity. He lied.

I don't hink Axl or Slash had anything to do with it.....Axl's peeople may have to drum shit up and gain some publicity and get rumors about GnR and potential rumor going