Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I agree wholeheartedly. ?It's gonna be damn near impossible for Axl to replicate these songs (or even the expectations one would have of live songs) without Buckethead. ?I'm hoping that now Bucket knows Axl is serious and it's done he'll re-join GN'R and go on tour.

I think it's kind of cool the man with the most positive playing had the balls to just say I QUIT! Says a lot about the man, he knows he's good enough to just do other work and leave this behind.,.

Axl threw him out, BH didn't quit.. right?

The more I listen to better's full version the less I like it, the guitar parts are to all over the place,....Axl's screaming is all over as well.. Maybe it takes a few dozen listen to get this better. the 206 version was better to me..

sissy? :hihi: j/k

The more I listen to better's full version the less I like it, the guitar parts are to all over the place,....Axl's screaming is all over as well.. Maybe it takes a few dozen listen to get this better. the 206 version was better to me..

I just feel there are spots of amaazing playing then total cluster fuck of nothing just filler... Sometimes it goes from feeling to almost a metal record with no direction..

Better needs work. It's all over the place. Some of the transitions need to be improved. TWAT is pretty much spot on. I'd like to see more solos from Richard but I know he wasn't brought on with the intent of him being a lead guitar.

I agree with both assessments....and as for IRS, the solo is unreal and I dig the intro, but the guitar throughout the rest of the song is VERY standard, doesn't impress me much.

I think overall the guitar work is better then what most bands have out there today though.  You don't hear killer guitar solos anymore!!!

It just seems like the riffs are like 3 power chords, I mean  I was expecting flesh eating monster riffs that make u want to bash your head against a wall.

I still am not a Finck fan, I may get flamed for this but I personally know about 3 guitar player's on this board *Myself included* who solo better than Robin Finck.

the rhythm is kinda missing.

the slinky danceable grooves arent on these demos, the drum playing is mediocre, the guitar playing doesnt mesh well with one another.

Axl makes them album great though but the music is somewhat disappointing at times.

Yeah but Power Chords are usually played during vocals etc but they instead of riffs its like we get a chord progression.


I expected Bucket and Finck and fortus to play unconventionally, alternate tunings, very melodic moving parts.

I mean the music could be Green Day for fuck's sake.

Where on AFD do you hear power chords over Axl's singing.....riffs, riffs, fills, fils, leads, outro's....no power chords all the time....don't go there

have you ever listened to sosseggo? i personally think he does a tremendous job. the thing is, he simply isnt a shredder. he has a way of making you move though.

heh?

IF Robin and Richard re-recorded these leaked demos, they will have to be as good as the Buckethead?s solos

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3444593949853639826&q=buckethead

Buckethead - God help us without him!

Anyone in the world that argues this needs a new pipe to smoke from

My god are you still going on about that video!!! have you watched it yet???

He does some crazy ass shit with his guitar on that video. He is an unbeleivably talented musician.

Music is always full of people with weird themes

Look at

Kiss for starters
Wes borland in limp bizkit
GWAR
Slipknot

Like whats the big fucking deal?! :rant: so what he talks through a puppet and wears a bucket. When you can play like him you can do whatever what the fuck you want to do.

His work on the demos proves how amazing he is. If you don't wanna deal with that then you may wanna find a new band to likem cuz i have a feeling that his "Shedding" is staying :peace:

A faceless freak (slash)  that is responsible for some of the most famous and recognizable riffs in rock n' roll history.

OK, so you never listened to Appetite than...that's fine

Song:Welcome to the Jungle
Band:Guns n Roses
Tuned down half a step: Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Tempo=104

Intro: Gtr.1 w/delay (see recomendations at bootom):
                                /-----call this Riff A------\
E|-----------------------------|-----------------------------|
B|-----------------------------|-----------------------------|
G|---4-------4---------4-4-4---|--4--4-2--2-----------------:|
D|-----------------------------|------------4--4-2--2--0----:|
A|-----------------------------|--------------------------2--|
E|-----------------------------|-----------------------------|
  \--------only once----------/ \----repeat this 2 times----/



Guitar 2 & 3 starts here, with Gtr. 1 Riff A seven more times
               (Play Guitar 1 Riff A until the last E5 chord)



Gtr.2: Play these Power chords B5 A5 G5 E5 B5 A5 E5            \
                                                               /
     B5       A5         G5      E5      B5   A5  E5 D5  A5    \
E|----------------------------------------------------------|  /
B|----------------------------------------------------------|  \
G|---4--4--------------------------------4------------7-----|  /
D|---4--4-----7--7-------5--5----2--2----4----7---2---7--7--|  \ play this,
A|---2--2-----7--7-------5--5----2--2----2----7---2---5--7--|  / riffs at
E|------------5--5-------3--3----0--0---------5---0------5--|  \ the same
                                                               / time in
Gtr.3:                                                         \ guitar
E|--------------------------------------7--7/5--5-0---------|  / 1, 2 & 3
B|--------------------------------------7--7/5--5-0---7--5--|  \
G|------------7-9-9fb---7qb---------------------------7--6--|  /
D|---7h9--9-------------------7h9--9s2----------------7--7--|  \
A|-------------------------------------------------------0--|  /
E|----------------------------------------------------------|  \
 



Gtr.2: (faster Gtr 2. & 3 => Tempo=124)
     B5        B5      B5      B5       B5     B5   B5     \
E|------------------------------------------------------|  /
B|------------------------------------------------------|  \
G|---4---------4-------4-------4--------4------4----4---|  /
D|---4---------4-------4-------4--------4------4----4---|  \
A|---2---------2-------2-------2--------2------2----2---|  / play this
E|------------------------------------------------------|  \ riffs at the
                                                           / same time
Gtr.3:                                                     \ in both
E|-------------------------------------5--5-------------|  / guitars
B|-----------------------3---5-----5hb----5hb---3-------|  \
G|----------------2--4------------------------------4\--|  /
D|---------2--4-----------------------------------------|  \
A|--2--4------------------------------------------------|  /
E|------------------------------------------------------|  \

Buckethead did the whole outro to TWAT, did he not?? Who does the intro on "Better"?? Sounds like it could be either Buckethead or Finck.? Sometimes you can't tell.? Sometimes Buckethead does things you instantly know are him, but he's so versatile there are other things you can't always tell

Yeah I think so, In fact I'm pretty positive, : ok:

Yeah, the outro on TWAT, both the 6:01 and 6:43 versions, sounds very much like Buckethead's bluesier solo stuff.? The 6:43 just has the added effects that are undeniably his

And the solo on Better just screams buckethead. especiallly the tapping robot thingy he does : ok: Pretty fucking awesome

agreed!? : ok:? welcome back guitar solo's .. we've missed you!

Buckethead did the whole outro to TWAT, did he not?  Who does the intro on "Better"?  Sounds like it could be either Buckethead or Finck.  Sometimes you can't tell.  Sometimes Buckethead does things you instantly know are him, but he's so versatile there are other things you can't always tell

And Bucket built the empire state building and invented the guitar, and saved every chicken in the world!? Once the interviews start and album comes out, everyone will know Robin (those with a trained ear, or insight know the sections) played interchanging parts with Bucket and someone else on the outro.? Really, folks, Bucket is great, but some of you are starting to drool like the pathetic GNR freaks over at the Velvet Rope (maybe the same good Nazis), that think Axl has never taken a shit that smelled bad.

I am not a fan of the 'shredding' in Better and IRS, but Bucket is responsible for two of the best new solos in Madagascar and There Was a Time. Day by day, I am becoming more impressed with Finck, but the Bucket portion of Better screams incomplete to me. I would not be suprised to learn that Finck redid the portion of the song; Finck definately shines on Better.

Food for thought..

Bucket is replaceable.. there are tons of guitarists out of the mainstream that can play just as well.? They may be nonames, but they exist.? Secondly, the demos are so sloppy as is, that its impossible to tell wether or not we are better off without bucket.? Food for thought..

True true, but playing something is one thing, coming up with it in the first place is another.

I have no doubts that there are tons of guitarists that can play what buckethead does, but buckethead ecclectic writing style is a one of a kind : ok:

Good point.. But if someone is talented enough to play it, I hope they'd have the sense to be creative on the flipside.  The material has been written and recorded - it could be a decade until they put out another album, all we need is a replacement for the tour.

whatever..........

there's nothing so far in the songs that get your attention from the start....

the intro's are weak at best

after waiting for 12 years for new music, i was expecting a little more

I enjoy the leaked songs a great deal, but I must admit I still feel I would enjoy them more if Slash was playing and putting his creative influence on them. I just dont think there was ever a better duo of Axl N' Slash

I don't really agree.? One reason I like Buckethead so much, and what seperates him from most virtuoso types, is his ability to write great melodies and songs as well as being to shred and play extremely difficult technical stuff

a question for all of you:

When you hear for the first time the RECORDED (Fick and Richard doing other things in the Buckethead?s place ) STUDIO VERSION of IRS, Better and TWAT, you will first compare them with:

A. Old GNR sound

or

B. The DEMOS that used to have Buckethead?s sound?

I enjoy the leaked songs a great deal, but I must admit I still feel I would enjoy them more if Slash was playing and putting his creative influence on them. I just dont think there was ever a better duo of Axl N' Slash

the intro to Welcome to the Jungle, it's So easy, nighttrain, Rocket Quen, out ta Get Me, paradise City, Mr. Brownstone, et all

all grabbed you in the first 10 seconds....go ahead, listen to them again if you need to refresh your memory.....none sound anything lke Sweet Child

not 90 seconds, 2:30 mi into the song......

Please tell me I'm not the only one this makes sense to

Don't get me wrong, i like all three of the leaks........just not as much as most in the community obviosly

Bucket almost killed this new band (not on purpose, but creatively)!? Let him do his thing, and let the new-GNR who have been there since 96 do theirs.

...

Why does Slash have to be brought into every thread.

exactly how do you know that robin didnt play it

Yeah but Power Chords are usually played during vocals etc but they instead of riffs its like we get a chord progression.


I expected Bucket and Finck and fortus to play unconventionally, alternate tunings, very melodic moving parts.

I mean the music could be Green Day for fuck's sake.

indeed, it is DEFENITELY robin finck, his trademark bends (this time in tune ) are all over it....

nice solo

that's not robin in a million years, obviously you have no ear what so ever to guitars, robin couldn't hold a bend like that in a million years, his style is sloppy, buckethead's style isn't. the problem is you guys only think of BH as a shredder and problably haven't heard his solo albums, but that's BH's trademarks all over, and not finck. there's some fast licks in there that go by way to smooth, robin couldn't do that. richard could, cuz he has way more technique.
but that's BH's tone, style, and licks. listen to electric tears. jeez

and your post was a waste of time.
inthe end i'll prove you wrong and you'll feel ashamed.. that's ok :) people like you, i mean you, only get it when it's on front of them.
and besides, i'm not even asking for validation for my own opinion, i know what i'm talking about, you just needed some more knowledge on the subject to understand what i was saying.
but hey try me. post that in BH's forum and see what they think.
i'm not even gonna bother to go any further on this... you can't argue with a brick wall now can you? :beer:

Robin is GREAT. Buckethead is a a TERRIBLE desapointement... :no:

Robin is GREAT. Buckethead is a a TERRIBLE desapointement... :no:

Why does Slash have to be brought into every thread. This thread is about Bucketheads playing on the new songs. You can't speculate what Slash would have sounded like etc etc etc.. he's long gone and won't be coming back..

I really hope Buckethead comes back. He suits the songs so well and is just awesome. I'm sure Axl could do it without him but the stuff I've heard has just really opened my eyes to how good he is.

It just seems like the riffs are like 3 power chords, I mean? I was expecting flesh eating monster riffs that make u want to bash your head against a wall.

I still am not a Finck fan, I may get flamed for this but I personally know about 3 guitar player's on this board *Myself included* who solo better than Robin Finck.

yes, maybe, but D.......these are just a couple of demo's........and from what I can hear those demo's are very different from eachother......a melting pot.....some of the things don't work really well and some other demo's do work..... Who knows how much they evolved....Bucket's gone.......who knows what Axl did with his parts......

Don't worry about it. I really still expect Finck to pull off something like he did at the start of Paradise City, you know, that weird yet moving solo / semi-rhythm part? Dunno if you dig that but that was brilliant really....... I really want something like that to be on the album, pure geniousness, unconventional....

I'm sure seeing the demo's, that something like it will be on the album....why? I expect every song to be very very different. Some may have nu-metall influences, some classic Gn'R, moodswings,

we've just heard three demo's...... we are not sure what makes the album and what doesn't.....for all we know axl may have planned "Better" to be put on the follow up...... no clue.....

I just love whole circus feel on these songs.......Never heard anything like this quite before..... I listened to the Better demo million times already and keep discovering amazing licks and the like.....and then....there's this Finck solo which I even dig more then the whole bag of tricks Bucket comes with....it's all in the game......everyone haves their favorite part from a song......that's the amazing thing about it..... There's so much influences in it that you can't love all the parts but there's for everyone something to pick out and love...... hmm, hope that makes sense.  :hihi:

Love the songs, I really do. But I miss the vocals complementing the guitars and the other way around. There's no chemistry between guitar and vocals....

yeah but did u hear Finck's solo before SCOM?

What the fuck was that?

I wonder if the guitar interlude thing that Finck and bucket did during the tour is a song on CD?

Finck is a good rhythm player but I just dont like his solos.? His IRS solo is pointless.

I love Bucket's IRS solo, that gives me chill bumps.


I wonder how old these demos are though?

with tommy wishing he shitted in his bucket....? :hihi:

He has to keep Bucket's parts.

Maybe Bucket can come back once the record is released.
his parts are amazing!

Ive said it all along, U cant replace a legend like Slash with Robin Finck cause he is a good guitarist but no where near Slash's level.

Bucket head on the other hand can fill that fuckin role greatly!

How do you guys think they compare to the old Slash solos? 

I really like the solo in TWAT, it's really catchy and sounds almost dare I say Slash esque in terms of emotion and soul. I'd be really interested to know who plays it. Any ideas?

I've noticed Slash's solos (especially in VR) have become predictable since his leaving gn'r. 

TWAT Buckethead's solo (the outro) is killer, by far the best ''new'' (I hate that word? :rant: ) Guns N' Roses guitar solo, and one of the best Guns N' Roses guitar solos of all eras (after listening to it one hundred million times, I'm sure of what I'm saying)

I put my hands on the fire that the final version of TWAT, in the CD, will be outstanding, at the level of songs like November Rain or Coma.

The other 3 leaked demos are good, I think only TWAT has the potencial of being an inmortal piece.

I'm sure Slash would have destroyed Buckethead if he had played the TWAT outro... listen to "Street Child", Slash makes his guitar cry, it comes from his soul. Buckethead's solo on Twat or IRS or Better don't impress me. His TWAT outro is good (the best of all his solos because he doesn't play it too fast, wich sounds good), but it still lacks feeling. It's not enough powerfull. Maybe he should use more vibrato I don't know. He doesn't make his guitar cry. 1st solo by Robin sounds killer. "dawww dou dawwwww", right sound, right vibe. Good timing. It will become a classic I think. The first time i heard that solo I said "wow, future classic!". First time. It hit my mind.

I'm with you 100%. Buckethead's solo on Twat (Extended) between? 4:22 - 5:42 is not only the best solo from the 'new' band but is also one of the best from all eras of GNR. The synth/strings add a lot to the feel of it and the whole thing just gives me chills, it's amazing! How could anyone say Bucket plays that with no emotion and 'doesn't make the guitar cry'?? That guitar crys like a baby especially around the 5:22 mark!!! The solo (I'm assuming by Robin) between 2:35 - 3:18 is also amazing.

TWAT = best song so far by 'new' GNR hands down! I have no doubt this will be a masterpiece in finished form, hell it's close enough now!

I'm with you 100%. Buckethead's solo on Twat (Extended) between? 4:22 - 5:42 is not only the best solo from the 'new' band but is also one of the best from all eras of GNR. The synth/strings add a lot to the feel of it and the whole thing just gives me chills, it's amazing! How could anyone say Bucket plays that with no emotion and 'doesn't make the guitar cry'?? That guitar crys like a baby especially around the 5:22 mark!!! The solo (I'm assuming by Robin) between 2:35 - 3:18 is also amazing.

TWAT = best song so far by 'new' GNR hands down! I have no doubt this will be a masterpiece in finished form, hell it's close enough now!
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Actually on the demo version of TWAT that we have all heard the first solo (2:35-3:18) is Richard Fortus and the killer one towards? the end there is Finck.? Out of those 4 demos, Buckethead is only on IRS

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I really can't hear BH on TWAT, there's only Finck and Fortus, like GNFNR_UK wrote.
Although, it's clear BH is on Better and IRS.
On CITR, that's Bryan May, Finck and maybe Paul Huge (or Fortus).

My favorite new GNR solo is BH on KOHD in RIR III... there's some magic on it.

TWAT by far

I really can't hear BH on TWAT, there's only Finck and Fortus

I have bioth snakepit albums and stuff slash has done with just say blackstreet or on street child for example and I think it rocks regardless of if axl is there.. it's such a forum cliche to say slash's stuff is just the same or predictable since I doesn't have axl.. it's teh same as saying BH only shreds he has no emotions... Just forum cliches that have become false gospel instead of realty

IRS the end is the best solo new gnr has..

In the Eddie Trunk interview Axl was kinda bitching about people claiming to know who played what parts on the leaked tracks. Is it possible that it was Ron and not Buckethead on Better and such? Has Ron been in the band for a while? I read somewhere on here that he was rumored a year ago to be in.