Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i know axl has said that the european crowds are more accepting of the new band, and i'm sure that's true, but this time around, with the arenas and all the festivals, how many are actually expecting to see the classic line-up at the shows and will be disappointed, no matter how good the music is? i've talked to a few people about gnr coming to europe, and most of them were like "oh really? cool dude! i love their music" and didn't seem to be able to grasp the fact that slash is gone, it's just not something they have occupied their minds with. would you say most people know who they are buying tickets to see? (the irony is we don't excactly either, with this new player ;D)

when you hear the band it dont matter  Axls singing thats the main thing without him yeah it wouldnt sound right like AXL said in Rio the New Guys can Play the Fuck outta the Old Material.

yes we are thank you  ;)

they did festivals in 2002 too, things went just fine then. didn't hit any problems till the US tour. : ok:

GNR, bring it on !!!!!!!!!!! 

but you all are missing the point by a bit, i realize that the festival gigs in 2002 went smoothly, and i'm sure the audience will be very accepting both there and at the arenas this time around too, but my question is; will alot of people buy tickets expecting to see the old band, and hence feel ripped off? (though if you feel ripped off by a gnr concert you don't deserve your money back anyway). i think axl is aware of this, and once they start playing the enormous response from the fans will drown the complainers. 8)

London Docklands Every Motherfucker Went Crazy when the band came on. If people were expecting the old band they were not fans and i belive it is common knowladge that it aint the old band anymore from talking to people that know fuck all about the band except they wrote SCOM WTTJ etc. If your expecting the old band come outta the nineties

lol true, great point actually. if you still expect the old band you haven't really cared about guns n' roses for the past ten years anyway, have you... hence you don't have a right to complain. 8)

You'd think us Europeans live in caves and go round with our eyes shut the way some people go on lol. The Axl/Slash split was one of the biggest break ups in music history, 99% of people at the shows will know that there's only really Axl left from the old days.

all i'm sayin is several europeans i have talked to seems to pay no attention to, say things some morons would say like "oh it ain't the same without slash", but this could be out of two reasons. 1. europeans are more accepting of the new band. 2. alot of people have forgotten about gnr and think they're in for a nostaliga act from the 90's. boy are they wrong. 8) probably a mixture of those two, wouldn't you think? some know and accept, some have no clue.

Yes!!We want to see the new band..we want to listen new songs..we want to listen Axl's screams...we just want GNR!!!! ?:beer:

Dude didn't you know we Europeans are stupid, only Americans really get it ? :nervous: ?:hihi:

that's the spirit! same as me! :beer:

and for those thinking this thread was a way of calling europeans stupid, go back and read the post. you missed my point by a fucking mile :peace:

what new band?
they toured here 4 years ago.

Yeh probably although you can hardly blame some people for expecting to see the old band when the promo posters in some places are of the appetite lineup it's no wonder there's confusion  :confused:

agreed

personally i have only seen ads with the gnr logo, i doubt there are official ads with afd line-up pictures. anyway, axl rightfully owns the name guns n' roses, he's entitled to use it as he pleases.

thats what i was just about to say! they havnt actually done much to promote the new band.but i think if you didnt know slash had left the band then you must av been asleep since 1996.i think the 2002 tour should have sorted that but then again,with all the rumours floating around about a reunion that havnt been shutdown,poeple will be confused as to wether their goin to see a new line up or a reunion.friday night will sort that out ?: ok:

there were a couple of sites promoting the TOUR which had pics of the AFD lineup in them

In Finland(in Sweden and Norway too?) the OFFICIAL promotion video on TV was clips of Live and Let Die,

Europe isnt some cave that the newspapers dont reach. I doubt itll suprise anyone going to the concert that Slash is not there.

would you stop being so paranoid?! ok, here, let me rephrase myself for you: in both europe and america and the rest of the world there are dumbfucks who have no clue and who still buy tickets to "be seen" at the shows or to hear nostaligia, these people will buy tickets and stand there like sheep calling for slash, but yes the problem with that seems to be lesser in europe than in america. there, is that better? my point still stands.

Well of course there are the kind of persons you described but that's a really really small minority.. Exactly same goes for USA.

It's not like Europe would less well prepared. Here people just accept the fact that Axl is what makes GN'R and without Axl there is no GN'R ;)

well, not everone. and you should read my previous post in this thread, i didn't single out europe, i talked about the fact that they are going to europe, that's why i mentioned it. anyway, welcome to the board :peace:

I think we're ready to accept the new band, but I don't really get why Axl says there's a bigger problem with that in the US. Maybe in the media, but there still seems to be a pretty big fanbase in the States and it seems to me that they trust him.

Heh well Ive been lurking around here for quite long time but yeah there are people who are either too ignorant or too dumb to realize that Slash aint in the band anymore..

We here in Europe are not stupid you know? ..... its seems that the people in the US have problems .....

Let's not go down that road, please. Stay focused on the band.

We are more than ready!

Bring it on!  :beer:

it may interest you to know that i'm not american, i'm european. good day.

its well documentated over in england

of course we're ready   :peace:

velvet revolver got hyped and well covered here in 2004 and even extended their 2005 tour here, which went down v well - meaning that it's more common knowledge these days that Duff, Matt and Slash (in particular slash as most people who dont even like music recognise him) are in another band and have been for some time.

Leeds festival and docklands rocked our fcn island in 2002 and we are waiting our turn again patiently.... :beer:

(if you are a guns fan - I doubt you'd be that upset if Axl was the only original guy performing, perhaps if Dizzy had taken the name and was doing his own thing with it, that would be a bit different heh heh!!!)

Europe is always ready for any band that wants to come and kick ass. :yes:

Leeds and London were ready in 2002 and we'll be ready at Donington.

As soon as I heard Guns were playing Donington I booked my ticket.

All the rumours were irrelevant about who was in the band, out of the band, shaking it about with the band.

At the end of the day it will be classic rock tunes being played on that stage with hopefully a smattering of new ones as well.

If any of the original guys come along for the ride, it's merely a bonus. : ok:

Of course they are "ready" why wouldnt they be?  They have much better music festivals than we do.. they have seen the band before... in better shape than we did here in the states..... They seem to play better in Europe than here..... Why wouldnt they be "ready"??? dumb

The Europeans are ready for the new band just like we (Americans) are. ?You can't take everything (or anything) Axl said at face value. ?IMO, everything Axl says and does is very calculated and only in Axl's mind is the answer to what his ulterior motive was ... if there even was one ... when he made that comment.

I think Axl knows that the new line-up will thrive once their material is out there and that the mixture of the old with the new is vital to the GNR legacy. ?If he isn't thinking this way and wants peoples to see GNR only in terms of the current line-up, then he wouldn't be doing as much of the old material and he would tell Izzy to stand down.

Bottom line is Axl himself said that the Europeans have accepted the current line-up.

And he can't be too concerned about Americans not accepting them because we're the first ones who get to see/hear GNR with the new 3rd guitarist PLUS, depending how the phase of moon affects him, we get Izzy too!!! :headbanger:

So I guess the moral of my story is: ?The whole world is ready ... and if you're traveling through Indiana, don't drink the water.

It amazes me that people still don't know that Slash isn't with Axl anymore. I mean its been over 10 years.  I guess people don't read about or discuss rock music enough. I can understand if people spend their time listening to other types of music. But for a fan of rock music not to know this?

I mean storys about GNR and VR appear in magazines all the time.

haha did axl say that last part? hilarious :rofl:

 :o
how do you do that headbanger smilie?  :hihi:

and on topic
I think almost everyone who is going knows that there is a new lineup, I mean, if you're going to a gnr show, you must know a little about them  :-\

unfortunately for axl, some idiots call themselves fans but haven't checked in on the band for the past 13 years and now they see ads in the newspaper and want to be seen there to reminice the 90's. sad.

lol I dunno guys lol, the last time they were in Lisbon, like during the Illusion tour, they did a concert here that, as some friends of mine who were there told me, was like... dreadful lol... you might know the story but if u didn?t I?ll try to: so we had this band opening, Faith no More that made ppl from the crowd trowing things for the stage lol, so as their concert ended the stage floor was full of all kinds of things so that some ppl had to get there and wash it with a hoose... so, the floor was all wet lol. then, as GN?R were announced and as Axl came in ready to start running all around the stage, he fall LOL... like it must have been very embarassing, ppl started teasing him and lol he sang two songs laying there, in the floor! LOl Then, he started normally again between many "fuck you,  and fucking ppl" u know how he is lol and then he dissapeared... Lol I think he got out of stage a million times, letting ppl waiting for him like for hourse, the encores lasted too long as well, lol Axl was really pissed off... lol u know...

I was not there but what I?ve written was based on what ppl who were there told me, but if I missed something feel free to add.

yes, europe have a better taste in music than most american people. Thats why gnr are more popular there.

Europe will be fine with the new band. Especially since Axl seems to be more relaxed overseas... and they should (hopefully) arrive on European soil with quite a buzz surrounding them after the four NYC "club" shows. Europeans love "stars", and I fully expect that they'll get behind Axl if the product is half-way decent.

See your point,
it's like supposed "fans" who like sweet child o mine, but don't own a gnr album!

don't even go there! to me it's quite the opposite. besides the UK the majority of europeans have an awful taste. just check german or french music channels, or better yet, don't check them!

What do you mean besides the UK? People over here are becoming chavs and emos! But then again, it's not everyone.

sweden seems pretty rocken'

Thank you, I have to say that you're pretty damn right.

haha like that crazy frog song they had...

Hell Yeah!  ;)

yep, i agree that sweden has pretty good hard rock bands. mean bone, we should get to madrid for the backyard babies show!!
Mandy, i like the Uk rock scene rigth now, i watch mtv2 all the time, there are great bands now. i just saw dirty pretty things, carl barat's new thing since he left the libertines, i like that style.
oh, and the darkness!

this is to the person who started this tread:
so you think that we over here in europe don't have something like tv, radio, internet or so? that we aren't able to know that the original gn'r is not together anymore? wtf is your problem? study your history about europe: watch and learn! we love gn'r as much or even more than anyone else. we support axl, newgn'r or not.