Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Lazlo of 96.5 the buzz in Kansas City told me today that he spoke w/ Soul Asylum's manager, personally, and they have confirmation for Tommy to appear w/ Soul Asylum after the Europe gigs.

Soul Asylum will be playing 96.5's Beach Ball II on July 29th in Kansas City and Lazlo received an emphatic "yes" to if Tommy would appear.

Soul asylum's dates only take them through Aug. 3rd, but do have a Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno appearence scheduled for July 10th which conflicts w/ GNR's opening slot for the Stones.

They do have a substitute bass man. . .  but for a televised gig?  Who knows?

cool that axl lets him do both....

I wouldnt bet on what that DJ is saying if I were you.

I would. Tommy's involvemnet with Soul Asylum at this point is much more legit than his involvment with Gn'R. Nobody knows what the hell is going on with Guns but Soul Asylum has been right up front with Tommy's participation. Soul Asylum might be a better fit for Tommy. less of a gong show. Who knows but I wouldn't doubt Tommy's involvment with SA one bit at this point.

At the same time, on the other Rock station in KC, the DJ was reporting that GNR ain't nothing without Slash, then the next break he said Slash is back with GNR, then he said that Axl goes around to cities and knocks on the doors of radio stations and shows up, and that when he shows up at 98.9 the EMO, he will not let him in. ?He then acted like he knows Perla, Slash's wife, and claims she is a psycho (total lie). ?He then said GNR are dead, said they have no tour dates, etc. etc. ?The guy was so clueless. ?I called the station, as I was in town for billboard business, and told him to listen to the last five minutes of TWAT and tell me that GNR has no guitar player! ?What really was funny, was that he continued to state the wrong title of Disturbed's new album, and he was called out live on the air about it. ?Funny shit!

Laslo is very cool, but his station only plays alt. music. ?He does not pay attention to much rock music, and still thinks it's 1993 and Axl is a homophobic, wife beater. ?When it comes to the oncoming GNR onslaught brewing at the street level in Manhattan, Chicago, LA, etc, he is clueless. ? GNR is really marketing this thing smart compared to 2002. ?Instead of trumpeting the mainstream, they are using the web and grassroots marketing to build this thing. ?And it's working!! ?(Check Yahoo searches, which is a better guage of buzz than the charts almost anymore). ?It's funny, that the times have really switched, when the alt. stations are the mainstream/commerical radio stations, and out of the loop, compared to some of the new rock stations! ?Kurt Cobain, I am sure, is rolling in his grave.

Tommy is committed to Guns. If there is a conflict, he will play with GnR. Axl indirectly confirmed this on Friday.

that dj is a donk

i dont like the idea of Stinson being in two bands at once... i dunno

everything with this abdn is so wierd... who knows what this band is gunna look like....

Dude Axl pretty much said himself that there were more dates to be announced on the euro tour. So they will be for around the end of july. Which means Tommy wont be playing with Soul Asylum then.

tommy has really kept his mouth shut about gnr the past year, his statements in 2004 werent even close to anything that happen, personally he can go fuck himself with SA.  There will come a time when he has to choose where we wants to be.  Im sure his thought is well when gnr isnt doing anything, he ll go with SA, and when gnr pics up, SA will get a sub for him.  that wont last too long, if gnr can get back to the consistency of touring

Since when do DJ"S know what is really going on? Just because they are on the radio doesn't make them an authority on music happenings.  I think we have seen proof of that many times over. Kind of like saying a steel worker on a building knows as much as the archetect.

If Axl tours the USA after the euro tour tommy will cancel with Sa

Yeah really. I agree with all the points so far. From "what the hell do DJs know?" to this one. I don't understand why anyone would think that Tommys not 100% committed to Guns N' Roses

im sure tommys committed, but lol i just want to know what would keep all of these players committed after 2002 without any appearances or releases?  i guess the pay off of what could be is that big ?

exactly. Look how fast the NY shows as welll as the European dates sold out. This from a band with one sole original member. All the negative press about that obviously doesn't mean shit.

IF axl and the rest of the band releases an amazing album, the fact that it was done under the guns n roses banner with axl rose as the frontman will propel these guys to heights they can only imagine. Money is great, but most of these guys could have steady work without guns n roses. My guess is they believe in the material, and know what it could mean if released.

For the record, I am not a blind faith member of the church of axl rose. I just know what it could all mean to music if they pull this off.

Yeah, my local dj said that Slash might be joining GNR again, but it'd be later on.  Who knows.

He got that from the CNN article. More proof for my point that DJ's don't know any more than we do.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/05/08/music.guns.n.roses.ap/index.html

"Former GN'R guitar maestro Slash may end up back in the band as well, but probably not before the Hammerstein shows."

Exactly. INDIRECTLY. yet Soul Asylum promotes the fact that Tommy is in their band on their official myspace site and their official site.  It's gonna be interesting. he should play for Soul Asylum. At this point I don't give a shit who's in Guns because it doesn't matter. As long as Axl's singing that's great. But Soul Asylum sounds better now than ever(no disrespect to Karl Mueller) and Tommy seems better fit for them. Plus they're all from Minnesota so it's a natural. Axl could go and get anybody to replace Tommy simple as that. Soul Asylum seems to need him more at this point but who knows. It'll be interesting. Imagine Tommy playing with Soul Asylum on Jay leno while still in Guns.

Or Gnr should drop this shitty opening bands they have and let SA open and tommy can do both shows

I see or hear nothing to suggest that Tommy is entirely committed to Guns, and who could blame him? Is he expected to sit on his ass for 4 years and not look at other options?

FUCKING RIGHTS!!! That woudl've been my dream concert back in 1993-1997 before I became a U2 fan. Soul Asylum opened for them back on the Illusion tour too so there's a bit of history there. That would rule.
Check them out back in 1988

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ERetrIHY7lw&search=Soul%20Asylum

Tommy said he was a few months ago.  ::)

Time to kick Tommy's Ass out of the band.

GNR are rolling so its time to cut these bullshit sideprojects OUT!


Whatever happened to a band being a band?

no solo records, no side projects just being in a fuckin band.

this is a reason i consider this Axl Rose and not Guns N Roses.

We've known for some time that Tommy is a member of Guns N' Roses and that he is also a member of Soul Asylum.  What is new here?  ???

GNR now is so far beyond this it's not even funny.

Dude Axl pretty much said himself that there were more dates to be announced on the euro tour. So they will be for around the end of july. Which means Tommy wont be playing with Soul Asylum then.

Exactly my point!  he WILL be in K.C., July 29th.  Jesus Christ!

Exactly. It shouldn't be about ' I don't care who's in the band as long as Axl is there' because then it's not a band, it's a solo act with 'hired guns'. And as much as I still have my doubts about calling the group Guns N Roses, I want to see them as a cohesive band, not a selection of people playing behind Axl.
Hopefully the shows will establish this. And the eventual release of CD definitely will.

Ive always hated side projects,solo albums.


Fortus played with all sorts of people, Tommy as well.


I can understand them doing that shit when things werent happening with GNR and Axl was on Hiatus.

Now shit is rolling, its time to put all the curtain jerking yesterday bands away and get ready for the main event.


How can u be a member of two seperate bands?


Didnt Axl get pissed off cause Slash played with other artists?
Now he allows Fortus to play with lame groups and doesnt mind Tommy playing with Has beens?

shit pisses me off.

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It's one of the main problems with new gnr at the moment - they just don't 'feel' like a real band at the moment.

No album, no official news about an album, and half the band members off doing other things. It's a bit of a mess, and it's hard to imagine that these people all gell and get along when they are together, because we don't hear enough about them being together. And when we do it's often vague- like they don't really know whats going on with the 'band', which just makes it feel more like an Axl solo act, because even the band members don't know whats going on.

Having said that, I think Axl cleared some of it up in the recent innerview by saying the 02 shows were good for the boys to get a feel for new GnR, so hopefully these new shows will be more about promoting new songs etc...though there is the new guitarist...

hahaha! No offence dude but did you really call Soul Asylum "has beens" in the context of a Guns N' Roses discussion? Hello Soul Asylum has more recently released an album than Guns and in fact had to turn away over 3500 fans for the last gig due to te demand. Not to mention the fact that I don't thikn they've ever had a bad review when it comes to their live gigs. Hell most reviews of their live gigs are stellar. Plus the new songs from their forth coming album sound as good if not better than anything they've ever done.? If you're calling Soul Asylum a "has been" band you might want to consider who Axl is playing with.... Tommy, Robin, Richard, and Brain. Not really guys who haev been lighting up the charts lately assuming charts are how you're baseing your "has beens' comment on. Really who at this point is the has been. Axl has way, way, way, more to prove than Soul Asylum. Sorry to go off but don't be spouting off about Soul Asylum if you know shit about them. Also what defines a "Has been"? Record sales or quality muisc. You tell me.

And Snow White it doesn't really matter who is in the band as long as Axl's there. Can any of us honestly see this being the lineup for the next five years or so. There's no way. It's always gonna be a revolving door. I agree with prety much all of what you said though in the post just above this one.

This isn't a band.  Is being a band about haveing members keep quiet and not be allwoed ot speak about "their own" band. Is being a  Band about haveing one guy call all the shots.  Is being a  band about all other members laying low while one guy takes his sweet time decideing what to do next. beinga  abnd is beinga  abnd. It's not run by one guy and this is why Guns N' Roses as we know it now will never be a true band.  As for the guys doing side projects well it's not bullshit. tey are afterall musicians and what do musicians like to do? they like to play music. preferably live in front of a crowd.

Thats my problem. It's not a band if it's all about Axl, and if he can't get together a band thats going to stick around or act like a band then he needs to drop the name and just be Axl Rose. Which I wouldn't have a problem with...

I agree 100%. I actually think this would be better. I don't belive Axl is ever gonna have a true band ever again. he's too controlling. Knowing how he was with the original band, how can any of us ever belive that he's gonna allow a new guy(s) to join and have real input. There's no way. I would much, much, much prefer Axl work with whoever the hell he wants to on any given day and just call it Axl Rose. Much cooler that way.

I wouldn't say too controlling. Didnt you hear the part in the radio interview where he said Slash and Izzy were having it out over UYI? I always saw it as with the original band Axl was the one who wanted to go onto bigger and better things and the rest were happy with doing drugs and falling off the stage. Or whatever. He was always more driven than the others, and ultimately thats why they went seperate ways, but its not a bad thing.

I get the impression that hes all about a band working as a band, hes just a perfectionist, but i dont see how he could have written better, TWAT, madagascar etc without the rest of the band.

I think he's all about a band working as a band as long as they share his vision or don't care. Axl could easily write those songs by himself. he wrote november rain all by himself. The whole orchestra was him on synthezizer.  Sure maybe Buckethead and Robin come up with guitar licks or Brain come up with teh beat but I would be willing to bet it's Axl who has the final say and if he feels it doesn' fit the song it's out where as if say Robin felt that a certain melody was wrong but Axl liked it than it stays. I don't see this band being a Democracy. maybe that's why the album is called chinese democracy. there's no such thing :hihi:  Again though with the whole Illusion thing you'd just have to take Axl's side of the story. I don't. There was five of them in the original band and the vision seemd to be 4-1 in favor of not doing it Axl's way. To me that says something.  It says it was Axl's way or the highway and I have no doubt in my mind that, that is how this new version of Guns functions. Of course I could be worng.

I think Axl's simply repaying Tommy's loyalty by letting him have the SA gig as an additional means of income... and a damn nice insurance policy if GN'R were to ever fall apart or the old band were to reunite, etc.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.... if anything, it's another avenue for new GN'R to gain exposure (hopefully Tommy will be more willing to "advertise" his GN'R membership once GN'R does its thing this summer)... I really don't think Tommy is going to ditch Guns for SA though... not now.

I hate to keep bringing it up, but this was posted by the admin on the official Tommy Stinson forum.  groups.yahoo.com/group/tommystinsonboard (might have to registar)


Tommy's off doing GNR, doing SA when he can. Someone will fill in on
bass for SA when he's not there.

Its in the reply to the thread called "Tommy song in a movie"

It is exactly what most people have thought was going to happen. 

Tommy fits in with SA much better then he does with GNR.. Just listen to his solo album.. GNR isnt his style.

So many music fans in one place, yet so many of them are having a hard time understanding that musicians/artists can be involved with several bands, not just one. It's been done before, many times.

It's a band, not a woman.

It's a marriage, yes, but that doesn't mean they can't go swinging Tuesday nights.? :peace:

And to Brody: "Not his style"? Who the hell is anyone to say what his style is? His style is whatever he decides to play, not what you expect him to play.

I don?t think I get this " Axl was the only hard-worker in the band" argument that has been going round. I mean, all ex-gunners have been more active than the redhead the past decade, by FAR; even IF Chinese Democracy turns out to be a 3-album proyect...Also, I don?t know how being a semi-recluse for a decade is to be "more driven"

So why does he stay in GNR?

Because GNR is the better band, and GNR is a more lucrative prospect than Soul Asylum.

Being in both GNR and SA doesn't mean he cant be happy doing both. I think GNR will take preccidence when schedules conflict.

I say because being in new gnr takes no time away from anything, it's like a job that pays without working.. Imagine being in a band that allows you to do anything outisde the band and every couple of years you get together and play a few shows, what's not to love..  Axl calls tells you a few dates you show up then in a couple of months or when axl loses it you are free again for a few years..

I still don't buy that any of these guys are in Guns N' Roses because of the money making aspect of it. I always see posts about how easy it must be to be in this band but then I see all these posts listing how difficult it must be to be a part of something like this. It can't be both ways, ya know? It seems to me that these guys must be in it for the love of the music.

                    I don't see anything wrong with Stinson playing with SA. He wants to play music I'm sure and did the gig because of that. I do think if G'n'R takes off and he stays on the road constantly , it'll be his main focus and SA will hire a new bass player.

im sure GNR will be Tommys PRI 1 !
So there is nothing to worry about... Tommy has looked forward
to get GNR back on the road, so why should this be a problem anyway?
He just plays bass in SA when he is able to do it..

I'm glad you brought that up because that says it all.  Tommy's priority is GN'R, and he does Soul Asylum when he can.  What more do you want?  If there is a conflict with GN'R and Soul Asylum, he will play with GN'R.  It's that simple.

Ali

"I can tell you that when Chinese Democracy comes out, we'll be touring behind it, and I'll be fucking first in line to get back on board." - tommy

Bullshit. Just listen to his first band, Replacements... VGH wouldn't be his style too. ::)

Thats what everyone said about Slash in 95 when he started the Snakepit projects...... The EXACT SAME THING!! 

who cares what tommy does, this isn't the way the band use to be where everyone was just with their band.. This is more like they come together for shows and then go there own way.... it's like work really, come in do your job follow the foreman then after the days over you split till nex time... it's not a "band" the way many of you think a band is..

Oh, please, stop with this negative bullshit. If they didn't release anything, what do you think they should do? Just sit and wait for Axl to do something? Give me a break. I'm sure they will be 100% with the band once the ball starts to rolling.

verry true.....

Stop attacking me man, I only see what has happened, tommy's been in the band since 1998, it's 2006, there has been nothing besides a few leaks and boots and a three week tour..? What does eevryone do most of the time from newe gnr, they tour seperate the do side projects they join other bands... Keep believing it's something else...

By the way I don't have any problem with them keeping busy, but they aren't going to dump their entire side life just because axl speaks

How am I attacking you? ::)

You obviously only see what you want to see. If the band didn't release anything, its not Tomy's fault. I'm not sure what's your point here.

What a band in a hiatus do? Don't they tour separete with their side projects? Don't they join other bands (keep in mind that their main project STILL is GNR)? What would you do in a 4 years break? Keep believing its something else too.

What the hell are you talkin' about? Do you know they have a whole tour booked, right? Do you know Richard will not tour with Nena anymore, neither Tommy with SA, neither Dizzy with H&B... GNR is their priority, its a fact. Once the band is moving, their other projects are stopped.

I know you know better than this. :P

GNR is Tommys priority like it or not. When there is a guns show he will be there rocking out because he loves it. It's got nothing to do with money. All the guys in the band are there because they love it. If they didnt they wouldnt stick around as long as they have.

again thats the same shit we all said about Slash in 95/96...

"GNR is Slash's priority like it or not. When there is a guns show he will be there rocking out because he loves it. It's got nothing to do with money. All the guys in the band are there because they love it. If they didnt they wouldnt stick around as long as they have."

People change thier minds you know.... So what if Tommy has a backup plan with SA... you think for a minute if Axl flakes out again on this tour he wouldnt drop the entire mess in a second if he was pissed?

Not everyone follows Axl as blindly as some of you internet fans do

I'll feel differently when they have something like an near an ?illusion's tour under their belt or even a year or 6 months of touring.. it's pretty easy for a group to exist when you never have to do anything or even tolerate eachother for long periods of time.. ?I never said they aren't talented or care i just don't view it as a traditional band... From the time tommy joined until now there have been several switches, zero albums, clueless members, uncertainy, stretches of no news, no release dates, etc.. What band starts then goes on hiatus for years at a time? I'm just going to enjiy axl singing and see the familiar band name and hope axl can last one tour and release one album..

I guess my definition of a band differs than most.

To me when u are in a band, that is YOUR BAND.

I can understand if the band is taking a few years off and u do shit to feel your time, but once the main band starts rolling, uput all that other minor shit on the backburner.

SA Im sorry shouldnt have called them has beens, shouldve called them one hit wonder never have beens.

If u play with them and GNR, that just doesnt register with me.