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The demos we have heard thus far and the live songs from 2002 hold up very well against new album and singles that are out now or coming out. I got the new pearl jam and tool albums and they are not even close to  being as good as most of the gnr new stuff. I really think axl needs to drop this album soon, I think rock music needs a kick in the ass  because current bands are not cutting it. 

the new pearl jam rocks, its bit poppy but it still has some great tunes man

No it doesn't

Pearl Jam is highly overrated imho

Yeah, they have a few good tunes but they'll never be as huge as GNR

No fucking way

I haven't listened to the two albums you mention, but I will agree with your asessment of the new songs so far. It blows anything away that the music world has heard in years. Nothing comes close. Hopefully GNR will play a few songs we haven't heard yet in NY so the world can see some more material he has up his sleeve.

i agree that the new GNR material has lots of promise but i also think that 10,000 Days is a extraordinary album, although it did take several listens too really appreciate it!  pearl jam's new one is a kinda weak though>  cant wait too hear more chinese democracy tracks

Even the top rock songs on the rock charts, take a song like Better and most of them dont even come close. I have given Better to quite a few friends, and most say how great the song is and they are suprised how good Axls voice sounds.

The music industry needs an enema and Guns N Roses is just the band to do it.

All the new albums I purchased this year have exceeded the new GNR songs but it isn't fair to compare finalized versions to demos.

the world needs Guns N' Roses and Tool touring together :beer:

YES!!! Pearl Jam do suck!!! And all the freakin' Pearl Jam fans who bitch "If Kurt Cobain didn't kill himself, then Pearl Jam would be known as the definitive grunge band" should crawl in a hole. Pearl Jam will, and would never have been, as creative and brilliant as Nirvana...oh, and Tool sucks too

Back on topic so I don't get banned...lol...

Yes, the GNR leaks and live tracks are amazing. Although, live track wise, I would love to hear a studio version of Madagascar and Chinese Democracy.

I think 'Better' could be a massive song. Perhaps with a bit alteration after the first half because it doesn't flow too well. I am bearing in mind it's a demo. It's just when it broke in and he sang 'The hardest part...', I just thought 'Fairwell Velvet Revolver'.

I would like to see this list of albums that exceeds the CD material.

Me too please. What good rock music came out this year anyway?

This year?? :nervous: :nervous: I haven't heard anything that even comes close to these CD songs since I bought Soundgarden's Superunknown album in 1994.

Nothing really. Its funny that everyone is so in agreement on Better. My band and I have been kicking it around at the last few practices. We're hoping it doesn't change much from the demo to the final track so we don't have to relearn it.

We had about 5 or 6 people hanging around at the last practice who didn't even know the song and they wanted us to add to the setlist like RIGHT NOW before it's even released. They all agreed that a song that good would go over with the crowd even though they'd never heard it!

nice choice - Superunknown is def one of the greats in any era of rock

Jeff Buckley's Grace, also from 1994, is in that league also

But I do think there has been some great rock in recent years. Perhaps it hasn't been as world conquering as it once was, but to me the White Stripes- Elephant, Green Day - American Idiot, Audioslaves debut and Muse's Origin of Symmetry are all fantastic rock albums. I'm sure I've missed a few as well

Perhaps, but Axl should still take a page out of Tool's book, and include a pair of 3D goggles, and some trippy fuckin' artwork in the CD case for Chinese Democracy : ok:

I liked the leaked tracks much better than the songs from 2002, so i'd say yes the leaked tracks are better than anything new I've heard since CB came out but not those of 2002.  I wasn't impressed with any of them.

I really loved Madagascar and The Blues. I wasn't real big on ANY of the others (i.e. Rhiad, Silkworms, etc).

you didn`t listen to the new pearl jam album even when you have?? :hihi:

i think it`s one of the best albums of the last 10 years : ok:  pearl jam rocks!!

I agree that even the GnR demos outshine some of the recent major releases.  Fine, the new Pearl Jam is a bit of a return to form, but compared to all the lackluster albums they've released with the weird musical experiements, the spoken ramblings, etc., I don't think that's saying all that much.  Personally, I was disappointed.  "Better," "The Blues," Madagascar," etc.  all hold up just fine, even live, and I spend more time listening to them than I do many of the other new albums out today.  It's time for Axl to show everyone how it's done again and get that album out.

Posted this elsewhere, but here's a link to NME talking about the Stones shows.  It again mentions that CD is coming out "soon..."

http://www.nme.com/news/guns-n-roses/22981

The first problem is a record actually has to be released before I will compare the "new"/5 year old songs to anything. Not one fucking mention of the album in the latest press release. No credible release date rumors ANYWHERE. Can you say "CASH GRAB"? That is what the tour should be called. Another round of shows with no record.  >:(

Well, as you know, thats what I also fear the most. But the only thing that makes me think it could be different is that Axl knows he cant make that same mistake again. But if you are right, and its a "cash grab", this tour will crash and burn long before it ever leaves Europe. People aren't putting up with that anymore. Yeah, shows are sold out, but if the tour starts going, and they hit Europe and still not even a peep from GNR about CD, interest for this tour will die quickly.

I don't get how its a "cash grab". Don't get me wrong, I want to see/hear this album as much as the rest of you. But if they're out there working hard to put on shows and they don't mention the album I just can't see how that's just a cash grab.

CD is no longer funded by the record company. Axl is basically paying the shit himself, as well as the band's salaries. After years of doing nothing but paying these guys, he has to do something to bring money in. If Cd isnt on the horizon, then that means a tour to bring in some cash. That is the "cash grab".

Considering I get to see them live, I love this cash grab!  : ok:

All in James opinion, and according to a much disputed article.

Just to be clear as to the source of the (pessimistic, as usual. :)  ) opinion.

i don`t think so....

axl made 20 million bucks with his sanctuary deal... money isn`t the problem for sure.

the ball started rolling... that?s the reason for this tour : ok:

and most people who bought tickets for the shows are interested in the old songs, not the new CD, so the interest won`t die, if there`s no CD.

Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely jacked about the Ny shows. It is just irritating that the record always seems to be put off....almost as a second priority. Tool did it right. They timed the record release with their tour. If they are doing the shows with no record or single, then they are only doing them to make money....possibly for promotion but probably to help pay for the extraordinary recording costs over the last decade. ?:peace: You can continue to speculate about reasons and excuses for why the record hasn't come out and why this must be the time. However, history has proven again and again that Axl simply won't let go of this project and there is no current sign that he has let go now. : ok:

I guess I can understand that in a way, but my point is if the band (including Axl obviously) is working their asses off to put on a show, then they're not just grabbing cash. You know what I mean? If Axl wanted to just grab some cash wouldn't he just release some shit that he doesn't have to work for? You know like Paris 92 on DVD or another Greatest Hits package or something.

And, once again....dragging the thread off topic, by the balls, to talk about something that's discussed in 10, 20, 30, 50 threads.

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ON TOPIC: I agree, the new stuff seems to hold up well in comparison to recently released material. 

It sounds like GnR, still, but a more "up to date" sounding GnR.   Almost like they'd been releasing stuff all along...

The newer songs for me have that GNR feel to them, but as pilferk said have a modern feel to them too.


I'm proud to say Better, TWAT and Catcher are GNR songs.

By the balls? I don't grab anything by the balls! :hihi: :hihi: ON TOPIC, yes, I think the material definitely holds up to anything on classic rock radio and modern rock radio. The songs hit alot of different formats. For example, the Blues and CITR would do well on adult formats and Better would do well on modern rock formats. The record, WHEN IT COMES OUT, should do well. :-*

this is the way i see it; i'm happy about Axl doing the shows in Europe, which means ill have the chance to see him and his employees live. if the album comes out in the mean time fine, if not...still fine. it has been far to long since he made a record for me to care if he puts the new CD out or not. i will still enjoy my night out :beer: in RDS Dublin with or without the new record. next day back to my routine worrying about how to increase my diposable income ;D. one thing that definetely i wont do is loose sleep over this new record. so my friends enjoy life and the new shows comming up.

Yeah I really like the songs and think they hold up very well compared to today's rock music scene.

Although...GN'R is frowned upon from where I come from.

Are you from Jon Bon Jovi's hometown? :-X

Just kidding.

I can't imagine these songs doing very well on rock radio. I think all them from Madagascar through the newer tunes will be big singles.

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Better is a perfect balance of the old classic sound combined with the new.

I said the same thing about TWAT. I think with some tweaks, TWAT could become GNR's new signature tune. With a shortened solo and another verse and a little less of the chorus it would be a very strong tune. The guitar work is reminiscent of Slash and proves the doubters that the new guys can at least equal him.

Without a doubt. The lyrics are amazing and the music is beautiful. Definately needs shortening and some work around the structure of the song and it has potential to be a GN'R classic.

I need to meet some of the people you guys have been playing the new stuff for who are open minded and willing to compare it to the new music out there rather than the old band's music. Whenever I have played a new song for anyone I never get a, "man this kicks all the bands asses out there now." I typically get a, "they can't even write better songs than the guys they replaced."

I sure hope that the studio quality versions of these songs are much stronger than the demos, because Guns is in competition with itself, and not the rest of the music world......at least that is how the general public (non-guns fanatics) are going to judge the music. Lists like VH-1's top metal songs with WTTJ at #2 are not making it easy for people to forget about the old band and just how special their catalog of music really is.

in 20 yrs the GnR name will be remembered for having 2 great periods of music.

^Yeah, i agree with what you said, GnR are always gonna be in competetion what the old band did....fare or not...that's just the way it's gonna be and how they will be judged....compared to their contemporaries, they were always ahead of the game

When you spend that long on an album, it better be better than what's out there today. I don't expect most g'nr fans to like Pearl Jam and Tool better than G'NR but that's just my opinion.

the new tool cd kicks ass but i dont really like much of the new pj shit. If CD comes out this year tool wouldnt stand a chance against it. but if it doesnt then tool will get album of the year.

You have all got to get off Axl's nuts. he hasn't done anything of substance since The Illusion albums 15 years ago. The leaks are horrible as is most music today. the GNR i love is powerful and aggresive. all these leaks tell me is that CD if it ever comes out will be power pop garbage like everything else thats come out over the last 4 years. so saying the leaks are better then anything else out really doesn't say much. I.R.S makes Oh My God sound like Jungle.

It's nice to see that people have resorted to making new acounts to post dumb shit like this. No backbone to post it under their own names.

Anyways, the new material is holding up just fine.

My sentiments exactly. First post and this guy is saying get off Axl's nuts. Ummm...this is a guns and roses fan site...you think most people here support or bash Axl? dumbass

no we don't. Tool will put you to sleep. I saw them in 98 and they did their radio hits first, then did a freaking 35 minute long drawn out instrumental. Maynard kept saying shit like "never mind us, we'll be your background porn music" and stupid shit like that. I like Tool's cd's, but i personally don't like them in concert at all. If they ever open for GnR, i'll definately show up late.

Put me on that list of people to show up late to a GNR show if Tool opens

And what good would that do? It would just get into my taste vs. your taste or Band X vs. GNR debate. I'll just say that there has been some really good music released in the last six months and you won't hear a lot of it on the radio.

i played "better" at a party this evening and everyone liked it.

i met one of my best friends there, that i rarely meet. he said, that he downloaded all new gnr demos after i showed him IRS and thought that they`re better than the old gnr.  he said that the old gnr made great music, but these songs are much more mature. :peace:

Agreed, the demos show promise...love IRS and the half demo of better that i heard. can't wait for the shows!

That said, PJ's new album is weak, same ol same ol. They're done and using politics to keep them afloat. I used to love 'em, but since Yield it's been all down hill...

That, that, said, I highly recommend a new album by a band called Wolfmother. Great stuff. And for straight up, raunchy rock N roll, Buckcherry's new album hits the spot.

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