Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I have a suggestion for Cinco de Mayo activities.  Since the illegals want to try their BS and boycott and wave around Mexican flags we should all eat Chinese instead of Mexican that day.  Touche!

I have a better idea. Why don't we just kick all the illegal immigrants the fuck out of our country?

Yep, that sends a very strong message. I'm sure they'll stop protesting and marching if we all eat chinese food ?::)
I agree that something needs to be done, we can't just say "everybody that broke our laws by coming here illegally is now a US citizen." That would send the wrong message, but regardless something needs to be done soon.

Raven

Another thing, if we do pass some sort of legislature what good will it do? We're still relying on the illegals to leave the country. If we knew where they all were we would've deported them a long time ago. Basically we're saying "Please leave, you can come back later we promise." But they're already here, what incentive do they have to leave? Other than staying without fear of being found out (not much fear right now as it is) and being considered a "legal US Citizen."

Raven

you mean everyone but the native americans? :hihi:

Look at the lesson we taught those French............

Can't we just rename the taco?

How 'bout "Freedom tortilla grande?"



Brilliant!

You get the first 5.5 million, and I'll get the other 5.5 million.............

What's the point if we don't do anything to stop them from coming in?  Its like bailing water out of a sinking boat, but never plugging up the hole. 

We need to figure out how to enforce our borders before we deal with the people already here. 

why dont we all just think before we post?  FUCK YEA! LETS!!!! : ok:

Just as you did?

You guys act like I was serious. I wasn't.

This is one of those issues that is very difficult to come up with a solution. I don't really have an answer to it. We don't need ?illegal immigrants in our country but at the same time we would suffer without them working for our country and participating in our community.

Set a deadline, December 31, 2007 for example, for all illegal immigrants to register. Make them pay some type of financial penalty for entering illegally. Anyone not registered by that date that gets caught gets deported (I favor the Carlos Mencia method, deport them to somewhere other than where they came) and anyone who is caught employing illegal immigrants gets slapped with a nice hefty fine or jail time.

I dont have a problem with people coming to this country, thats what about 99% of our ancestors did, the problem is that once here, they dont pay into the tax system, and I know for a fact that alot of the men are here working and sending most of their money back to their families in their homeland. That may not seem like much but consider the amount of illegals here and lets just say $100 per person gets sent out of the country every two weeks, and I'm guessing thats a low amount. Say on a low estimate their are a million immigrant workers here now. $100 x 1,000,000 = $100,000,000 being taken from American companies and being sent to other countries every two weeks. Thats 2,600,000,000 a year. Still wonder why our economy is fucked?
If they want to be in the USA, great welcome. Just follow the rules.

This is the solution.

Although anything at this point is no good. I'm serious. Nothing is going to work.

I think you are correct, unfortunately. What amazes me here in the Miami area, is how the government caters to the immigrants and for that matter the Cubans who come and refuse to even attempt to adapt to the culture here. This is no joke, you can be hired for a job in Miami without being able to speak english. You can't, however, be hired for that same job if you do not speak spanish. There are huge sections of Miami that you shouldnt even attempt to enter if you can not speak spanish. The local government won't dare do anything about it either.

Yet in NYC, one of the largest, groupings of different cultures in the world. This does not happen. Yes, there are the different communities like Little Italy, Chinatown, Greenwich Village. Unlike Miami though you can go into practically any of these areas and ask the simplest question and get an answer in a language that you understand. I dont know, like SLC said, its not going to change.

BTW, extra points for those who got the Greenwich Village joke : ok:

wow you have just taken that down to the most simplistic level

how many people buy products from abroad? money goes out of the country doesnt it...why not stop that too

since immigrants are working for less than the average persons wage then they are giving services/making goods for less money meaning you pay less for said products...in fact because the labour is cheap and they work long hours, isnt the economy making a net gain?

and arent said immigrants using their money to pay for food, living expenses etc in your country?

btw USA GDP is 13 Trillion dollars, those figures you gave hardly put a dent in that figure (assuming your figures are accurate)

Well, I used the terms "Lets say" and "I'm guessing" so I wouldnt claim that the numbers are accurate. I would guess that the numbers are actually higher. Again, just a guess.

I never claimed that this would fix all the problems, I was just stating one of the problems. Yes, alot of product is purchased overseas, but at least its money that was earned and taxes were paid on that income. As far as paying less for products, some yes, some no. Weren't there shoe companies using slave labor practices, but still selling there product at over $100 a pair?

And yes they do purchase product here, of course. My point was from people I have talked to on job sites in Miami they send more of their money out of the country, than what is kept here, and since they technically aren't supposed to be here, they are paid under the table, so no taxes are collected on the money either.

Didnt claim to have the solutions, I was just pointing out a little pet peeve of mine. :peace:

I'm going to repeat something I asked in the last thread:

When Corporations can cross borders & outsource jobs with immunity, then why can't  people be able to do the same?

After all..........."Its a GLOBAL Economy" right? Are our leaders not telling us this?

I say the US should just buy Mexico. How much would that cost? $10 million (IN US CURRENCY)?

Raven

LOL....buy Mexico.........and er....what then?

We'll buy Mexico and then not patrol their southern border.  Soon enough El Salvadorians, Costa Ricans, etc will be flooding into Mexico and undercutting Mexican workers!

The whole point of it is that Illegals are demanding the rights of citizens ( which they get a lot of) but they are not citizens. Di I fault them for coming here? No, I would too if my country sucked and couldnt find a decent job. But  to not pay into the system and get health care, housing and education paid for by people who pay taxes. That is bullshit!!

They see the hypocrisy, I don't understand why we can not. Seems as if we want to have our cake and eat it too. Economic growth and wealth created by illegals is ok.

What the fuck is this thread about?

Isnt this too racist?

This should already be closed... with all due respect.

Besides all the racist stuff, how is it racist?

So any discussion about race is racist?  I've seen no slurs on here, grow some thicker skin cabron!

I thought this kind of threads were forbidden...

Grow some thicker skin, motherfucker?

what do you mean ?  :hihi:

Mexicans/Hispanics aren't a race.  ::)

Hey!

I knew we would get a real racist in here eventually..............

Man you could see that reading the second post...

The law's on my side. Hispanics are people from Spanish speaking countries. That's how they're defined. Whites from Spanish speaking countries are still Hispanics. The thing is, they probably wouldn't be considered Hispanics after 3-4 generations of living in the US and assimilating, which is what the whole issue is about. If they would assimilate, some would be considered white, some American Indian, and most mixed, but that just means they choose 2+ categories.

Really, language is the only major problem they have to deal with. Europeans have to learn language as well as how a free market economy works, and so on. If anything, Hispanics should adjust faster than Europeans in immigrating to the US, which makes the protests really silly. They have it easier than most immigrants.

I've come up with a solution... There are approximately 11 million illegals right? We just need to find 11 million people they can marry and voila everybody gets a green card. Maybe have some sort of sign-up list for desparate Americans looking for a bride/husband? The Russian mail-order bride solution has been working almost flawlessly for a long time now, it can work with Mexicans too I'm sure. When was the last time you saw Russians protesting in America? Or concern about the Russian population? My point EXACTLY.

Raven

Whats all this talk about kicking illegals out?

Only a fool would try to forcibly kick these people out.  What you do is to actually enforce sanctions against employers who hire them, and make sure illegals are given no social services.

They will leave themselves.  No fence or kick in the ass needed.

Wealth created for whom?  The American Working Class is seeing none of it.  Now, if you own a business that relies on illegal labor, or have stock in that kind of company, than ya, it benefits you.  If your a working class American without many skills, illegals are a direct threat to you and ensure any job you do won't pay very well.  Supply and Demand at work.

I don't blame the Mexicans, I blame our Government for allowing this to happen.

maybe the incoming water is more pure than the current rottin one.

i love mexicans, i think they're funny. like pedro.

Hmm, France has a little immigrant problem of its own doesn't it.   Oh well, maybe the young muslims will be better than old europeans who aren't having any children.

And besides, I like Muslims, their funny, like my math teacher.    ::)

yeah muslim are usually funny, but stupid too :)

well, france is having a problem with immigration, but not with muslim, mostly black people from center africa, lot of of them are christian ...
the muslim wave was in the 80s.

now the government want to CHOSE its immigrants, and take the good smart ones and leave the dumb ones in their country ... so nice ....

good point...so much for helping the third world eh, taking the best of them and leaving the rest...maybe bob geldof will help them out 20 years from now  :hihi:

George Bush this afternoon : Immigrants have made America a vibrant country.. 

or something like that he h e....

Legal or illegal immigrants?

In my humble opinion both.

America was a vibrant country long before illegal immigrants spilled across our borders in record numbers.  If anything, America's vibrance has declined since we allowed illegal immigrants to fulfill the jobs that we refuse to do.  In other words, America's laziness and apathy are at the root of the problem and illegals are only showing that.

As far as I know... America is an immigrant country

long before ? like what 300 years ? man, that's some heavy history :)

I think even Slash is an immigrant...  I wonder who is in GNR history is an immigrant as well...

Carlos, what in the definition of illegal do you not understand?

he he sorry pal...

I wonder if Slash went to the states illegally first. xD

I'd love to see something to prove that, or at least try and prove that........

So then you feel that America's economy and security are perfectly fine.  Well since you agree that America is a great place and headed in a great direction, maybe you can quit citing bogus sources that conform to your perception of America.

I didn't ask you to write a paragraph about what you think is my perception of America. I asked you post something to back your claim. Some sort of study perhaps.

no shit... how many new IT jobs are sent to India every year... almost all the call centers and IT support are in india or philippines with one american overseeing the entire center....

what about cars? almost all domestic cars are put together from foriegn made parts.... 

Its cheaper to pay a forigner to do it than american... we all want too much money to do small jobs and if have skills we think we are owed the kings ransom... i cant wait to see the world collapse in 20 years and everything has gone to shit...

My grandmother spent a lot of her life in china  before marrying my grandfather, because her dad was trading between china and japan.

We changed them so much, we brought our ways to them, they didn't want them, we imposed our views and lifestyle and even economy onto them.

Less than 100 years later, they have learnt so well that they are getting their own back.

Good i say.

My coutry is sick ? SHOULD NOT BLOODY INVADE THE REST OF THE WORLD THEN SHOULD WE ?

I don't care.

I don't mind leaving it to go elsewhere.

China ? this would be funny. Leaving for a country with a good economy.

After all, i promised myself to visit this part of memory lane.