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With all the new live dates, it begs the question, who will be the third guitarist for the live band. We have heard nothing about a search for a new member. This could mean a few things:


1. Buckethead will return to the band

2. Finck/Fortus take the leads and a new rhythm player is chosen

3. A new lead must be found.


I cannot see the band working these songs with just two guitarists; three is really needed to maintain the wall of sound buzz that alot of these tracks seem  to fill up the room with.

Of course i prefer option 1, but does this possibly mean  a return to Paul Tobias as a temporary rhythm or can they pull it off with a two guitar shoot?

Maybe the second lead will be Slash......There's some wishful thinking!

Wishful for some - let the past be for others.  This can of worms has been opened a million times.  Most likely the return of Bucket seems more likely.

I would like to see Bucket back to see this thing to completion, but I don't think that will happen.

I think Paul Tobias could hold down the fort for a few shows, but ideally I'd like to see a permanent third guitarist.  I think it shouldn't be just about pure talent.  It should be about overall band chemistry.  That's where things might have fallen apart with Buckethead.

Ali

What is brown sugar?

sign the anti-3rd guitar player petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/rfinck/petition.html

This is the key bit of missing information that I'm hoping we will be informed about soon.

I just cannot see how they can possibly play Buckets lines live if he is not there, which lets face it is unlikely as there was an awful lot of bitterness when he quit. Tommy's comments as recently as December suggest he's long gone and never to return.

A new guitarist? That would be huge.

Thats the choice I think:

1) - Complete re-write of CD for live purposes, taking all of Bucket's lines and solos out.
2) - Replacement guitarist found.

I have my fingers crossed for Bucket. As Saul mentioned his tour is done at the end of April. I really hope Axl not only keeps his parts on the album but recruits him back. I am not very confident that Finck/Fortus can handle the old guns songs as well as the Bucket solos.

That petition is cool!

I just wonder how important it would be to have three guitarists live.  Is that necessary to truly recreate the sound on the album?

That's a question I have.

Ali

I somehow think Axl has planned whatever he is doing with the guitars for some time now and is unlikely to change at this stage. I don't think he would have confirmed RIR without being sure he is clear what will happen.

How do we know that Bucket's part haven't been already replaced.

The third guitarist has already been announced! It's Brown Sugar, the guy who used to play for the Gravel Pit Campers.

Trust me. I'm an insider... ;)

I don't care I think it will be great either way. ?

bring slash back and get the shit goin?
it is time to conquer the world again...

mfg

dirtyballs

" you don`t need my love all you want is satisfaction"

Getting Slash back would make sense; admittedly he's not as skilled as Buckethead from a technical point of view, but it'd gain the band a lot of goodwill. People who've played the new songs to non-fan friends have all been reporting much the same thing; "It isn't the same without Slash."

I doubt it'll happen though.

SG

By the comments from Tommy Stinson about the Buckethead nightmare, I don't think he will be back and I hope he doesn't come back.

Is he amazing? Yes. Do I have his solo shit yeah before her was in Guns I was aware of him.

If I wanted a third gutarist I'd say either Paul Tobias stays on rhythem, Izzy or then Slash.

No more people except ex members. The revolving door of members should stop, unless its people who were already in the band.

Is Zakk Wylde a possibility? He did the TWAT solo didn't he?

Zakk worked on the TWAT solo but I think that is Bucket on the demo.

I wouldn't mind Zakk.

Holy fock, Killingvector, are you serious about Zakk on TWAT?  I didn't know that and since I first heard it I was so convinced it was his style that I figured Buckethead was just copying him.  I mean, that solo is so Zakk Wylde.  To me, Zakk is the fastest guy they could get.  Anyone that can play faster then Zakk would be silly.  He is a ballsy, bluesy player like Slash.  However, Zakk is good friends with Slash.  He would never join.  A while back didn't he tell Axl to fuck off and get Slash back in the band?  That is a yes.  Vector I hope you are right about Zakk working on that.  I hope that was his solo. It was killer!!

there's a rumour on mygnrforum that Michael Angelo Batio is the new guitarist

Actually, I am confused. ?IRS is the solo I am thinking about that sounded like Zakk, not TWAT. ?Twat sounded like Slash.... :hihi: ?But really, it did, Slash, Morello, and Wylde combo. ?Okay, just Wylde.

Great, Axl will replace one of the fastest guitar players in the world with, one of the fastest guitar players in the world.  Why not just be done with it and get Paul Gilbert?

I still wish i could hear the slash qylde jam sessions.. :o

I do have the Wylde and Slash Voodoo Child.  It kind of sucks cause Zakk's guitar is so much louder, but still cool.

I would never sign something saying that Fink or Fortus is better than Buckethead  :rant: That is just Funny :hihi: :hihi: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I just read a "rumor" on CD.com forum that this dude, Michael Angelo Batio, could replace Buckethead.  Check out his myspace, http://www.myspace.com/michaelangelobatio, the dude is fast.  Pretty sure he could handle any of Buckets stuff.  Just another rumor.

word to that. i was just thinking about "what if Gilbert was in GNR" today. Batio is lame. hes not "all speed and no melody" like his reputation suggest but still, hes a looong way from Slash or even Buckethead when it comes to throwin down good rock n roll licks

I saw a video of Michael Angelo Batio on on his website and this guy is not human, he was playing a guitar with four necks - two on each fuckin' side of the body, faster than my eyes could follow. I've never seen anything like it. He is definetely a show man, intresting to watch, but his tone and playing lack a lot of feeling. His music is kinda like the "from guitarists for guitarists" kind of stuff. I doubt he would fit in GN'R.

Looks the part.

that was not a rumour just some idiot posting bullshit.

if possible I'd like to see someone from yesteryear like gilby or BH again since he is actually on cd..

It's clearly not saying that. It's saying that if the 3rd guitarist isn't buckethead, don't bother trying to replace him, because you already have two amazing guitar players

I really don't think a petition is going to do anything.

Axl clearly would not greenlight live dates without some plan in mind. I really think he has a third guitarist ready to go.

KV there is def a plan in place. All the bases are covered....the moment we've all been waiting for is about to take off before our own very eyes...its gonna be exciting the next few yrs....

difference between buckethead and micheal angelo s that bucket can actually slow down and play with feel ad emotion , mab is 100 mph all the time.  dumbest rumor ever.

That guy is the LAMEST guy I have EVER seen.
I swear, if he is in Guns N' Roses, I will stop all support of the band.

All the "guitar freaks" that I know worship this guy, because he has a 4 neck guitar.

His style doesn't belong anywhere near Guns N' Roses. At least Buckethead could play a regular solo if he wanted. This guy plays the cheesiest of cheesey metal solos all the time, and looks like he belongs in Ratt.

No Michael.

Even though I'm not a fan of his look,I want the Bucket back :rant:
But I don't see that happening and if they don't get anyone soon,I hope Finck doesn't play lead..Give it to Fortus so he can improvise some shit up :smoking:

Zakk,Slash,Bucket and Michael are my top picks.

either would be good. all are so amazing at each thing they do. Michael Angelo is just nuts.

You can pretty much forget all of those guys.
Slash - no
Zakk - He won't be in the same room with Axl,let alone his band (Just my thoughts)
Michela Angelo whatever the fuck his name is - This rumor has already been shot down by Merck

Just seeing who shows up on stage is gonna be shocking :o :o :o I'm gonna guess Slash shows up and a few other Guest Guitarist????

My guess its SLASH.....
What did Axl say...I wanted to show the world how great ......I spoke with Izzy the other day...
Then all the interest Slash is showing......
The next VR is going to be Dancing...
Slash loves to tour and hates downtime....
Slash could use the money.....thats why he started VR
Everyone loves Slash....the media...the fans....the other bands....
Plus, nobody will talk about how Axl stole the name.....the non-core fans think GnR is Axl/Slash
When its AXL and his gang they sell 8000 a night
When its AXL and Slash they sell 14k-18K a night
Could be wrong...however I would love to see it.

LJ

I'd rather be Buckethead, or keep it with Fortus and Finck. ?Michael Angelo is a great player, but his tone sucks. ?I think most of the guitar players on the boards will agree.

yeah, he's great and all. but not something that will suit GNR, not any incarnation of GNR.
he's just an insanely fast shredder still playing 80's soft metal...that's my impression at least.
really don't want him on stage with Axl and the boys!
I hope if there is gonna be a third guitarist, Axl will find a more up and coming guy with a cool vibe and good musical instinkts.
but I still have a shred of hope that Bucket will be back, lol.

Slash is not coming back. SERIOUSLY! I swear it gets old every damn day.

and Michael Angelo!? thats not even a rumor. its just some idiot who thought "hey buckethead was fast! so is this guy!"

=/

Who knows who the 3rd guitarist is. Soon is the word though. Either way.. this would have been way easier for Axl if no one had heard the demos Buckethead was on. If CD comes and the solos arent as good as the demos.. we'll all know why

this might be the last piece of the puzzle, but i doubht axl would book the gigs if it wasn't solved already...

I'm sure Axl has done something about this situation, whether it be a new guitarist or just removing BHs parts completely. I bet so much stuff has/is going on behind the scenes that we have no clue about. Axl might have picked a new guitarist over a year and a half ago for all we know. This question, IMO, is just about as important as the release date. I'm sure we will find out soon what is going on. I hope that there is just a huge ass press conference where the plans for the year are layed out (touring, release date, guitar situation, ect...).

BTW, I hope Buckethead is back, that would be great!

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if Bucket came back. They may not get along together, but they really wouldn't have to be around each other except for a gig. This isn't a typical band to begin with. Like I said last night, even when Axl dogged Bucket in his statement, he left the door open, in that they were still negotiating...

If there is a new third guitar player it should be Vernon Reid...

I am seeing Bucket in March. I will do my best to ask the man if leaves the venue and greets fans again.

It would be nice to have a reconciliation.

I thought he doesn't answer any questions abt GN'R?
Make sure he doesn't club you to death with a drumstick...  ;)

Your best bet is to ask the people around Bucket. That's how fans found out he left the group.

edit: Yeah.. There is a good chance!

Does there need to be three guitarists?
 :-\

I'm seeing him in Boston this March (5th time, fuck yeah). I was thinking about holding up a "TWAT SOLO, PLEASE!" sign.
Then again that might be a stupid idea.

I honestly think he will end up with GN'R, it's a smart move for everyone involved.

I meant May... Never mind me :-[

So it is still possible

He hasn't as far as I know, but it's worth a stab especially if this question is not resolved by then.  If Pinchface comes out, I can approach the issue with him.

I'll see you at the show Throatrake.

That sign might not be a good idea; bucket fans weren't overly enthusiastic about his work with Axl Rose. But their opinion may change when they hear what he did.

i think they'l just have the ones they've already got, bucket was good but do they really NEED three???

Bucket is the fucking best choice period. Axl better not have redone B's part. I will be so fucking pissed.

Buckethead rules...accept no substitues for a gnR lead guitarist. B's the only one who can fill Slash's shoes and even piss on them if he wanted to.

Bucketheads parts on these new tracks we are hearing are right there with Axl lifting this shit above what the fuck else is out there.

Buckethead was chosen for a reason. 

So are his parts on CD????

This shit is keeping me up...

Listen, even if it's not Buckethead...the 3rd guitarist should come dressed as Buckethead just to fuck with folks. ? :hihi:

One show he could be Buckethead, the next, come out with a Slash top-hat, just to fuck around...

I just want to see the show...several times. ?: ok:

Oh, and seriously, do you think Axl's gonna release something worse than what's on the demos? ?Trust me, even if we don't have Bucket or Slash, we'll have some awesome shit. ?Axl didn't take all this time to shit the bed. ? : ok:

Nixon, we don't know what's on CD.  Don't let it keep you up.  We'll find out soon...we're closer than ever!

Also, hold up that TWAT sign at the Bucket show! ?Seriously, I'd love to hear a response. ?Hell, just a shout-out or a chant would be cool too.

Brian May perhaps

How would everyone feel if Brian May from Queen ended up the guitarist?
or Zack Wylde? both of them did some guitar work?
i just wanna get the feel of peoples opinion

No. Zakk Wylde makes kick ass mother fuckin smash mouth metal and I enjoy it. And From What Zakk said about Axl on tour.. That won't happen.

And Brian May is Queen.. I can't see it, and personally do not want too.

may is a great guitarist but i think that the fact he was in queen would be weird for gn'r, like he wouldn't fit in or something..zakk would be good.

Brian May is still in Queen - they are touring right now.

i think whatever decison they have made it has been done. surley they wouldnt schedule these concerts without a 3rd guitarist. os if they have decided to keep Finck and Fortus, they must be ready.

Batio is NOT all speed and no "emotion" he can actualy play pretty well. he just chooses not to most of the time and would rather wank off with his speed licks. im going to beleive you guys who say its just BS about him being in the band and i really hope it is. like i said, hes a good player but he is NOT for GNR. BOOOOOOOOOOO Batio!! fuck off! and fuck your crappy Tradition guitars!

but Brian May did do guitar work with Axl and soo did Zack
Personally I think either of them are awsome, but id rather Zack hed fit in perfect, prolly the best possible guy to fill the job except for maybe IZZY STRADLIN or SLASH

He'd be a fine addition to the band!

Zakk doesn't fit the new GnR sound.. Perfect? You are not a Zakk fan eh? Cause his style DOES NOT fit GnR's new direction.. It didn't really fit their own sound.

since we are gonna all the sudden think that any guitarist that Axl ever thought of trying out is suddenly back in the band,

why not go with the Bands first choice, way back in '91

Navaro should have replaced Izzy in the first place, he was AXL's first choice, Navaro admits in his new book that the only reason he didn't join was being the guiatrist for an alternative band like 'janes addiction' , he thought people would label him a sellout,
years later he still took part in recording OH MY GOD, and he is currettly doing nothing.......


DAVE NAVARO should join GNR now !!!!

Well I don't know if he would join,but who knows

He's pretty rock n' roll.. plus alot more ppl would accept him over a guy with a bucket on his dome(not me tho)

the girls do seem to love Dave

and he can fuckin play guitar with the best of 'em ( janes addiction - nothings shocking - anyone)

Great guitarist, but he's never really done much for me outside the magic of JA

hes right, they would have.  I think he would have wanted more of a spot light too - and while Izzy is loved by most GNR fans, its Slash's guitar playing that stands out.  i dont think those two egos would have survived.

As for now, yeah it'd be cool if he was in the band.  i think hes pretty well liked by most people, hes got a hot wife and he is def 'rock n roll' as someone else said.  Be nice to have someone else take some of the attention off axl as well.

Navaro did some time on that INXS tv show, which would draw in a couple extra fans...plus the Carmen Electra connection helps with free publicity. ?I still think Axl, Tommy, Robin, and Richard will figure it out. ?We're in for some good times.
 :beer:

....besides Camen Electra ?;)

;D

Brian May was a very innovative guitarist in his day, but I think the generation gap is a bit much...He's too busy trading machismo with Paul Rodgers nowadays anyhow

He was worried about people labeling him a sellout, now he's a fucking gameshow host. Go figure.

I think bringing Dave back to play with Robin would almost be duplication.  The balance with Bucket was Bucket's ludicrous speed.  Dave's no shredder. He and Robin are bouth melodic players.

But I'll pose the question again; why do there have to be three guitarists?

3 guitarists, I wonder the same thing

BUT, Navaro can shred, he was a metal guitarist before he was in Janes Addiction, he is the Heavyness in Janes Music, and although it did not always call for that kind of playing, he stuck in when in where it belonged

Because Axl thought so... And now someone has to cover for Buckets parts

Steve Vai

hehe  ;)

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now I am going to have nightmares

Guns N roses are not about virtuoso guitar players assholes, that is a completly different thing

I suspect they will go with Finck/Fortus and a new rhythm player. A new lead would require an extensive introduction to the new material; I dunno if this is possible considering that the album is being finished up and the dates are less than 6 months away.

Navarro and Fortus are a bit of a wash; they would perform the same function. I think they need a true lead or a true rhythm.

I would take Navaro over buckethead

Actually that isn't true, he's already in a band called The Panic Channel with Perkins and Chaney (from Jane's) and lead singer Steve Isaacs. The band have already recorded their debut album and it is being mixed for a summer release. These guys will probably do a festival, who know's they might be on the same bill as GNR!

If Dave wasn't involved with his new band though, I agree, it would be great if he was in Guns. I've been a fan of Dave's playing for years and he appears to be a really cool guy, always takes time to chat to fans over on his website (6767.com). He is the epitome of Rock N Roll!!

Just heard that rumor at the rope, not sure if its legit or not, but anyone know if Michael Angelo Batio will be touring with Gnr?

Was posted here earlier too and Merck squashed it.

Oh I missed that I was out. Sorry, you can lock this.

Some dude said his source said...

Cd would be a double album
Release date is feb 28th
announced M. Angelo Batio as guitarest
and Better would be on I tunes shortly.

May doesn't fit the part, but on the other hand, neither did Bucket.. See what happens but I'm going to say that May wont have any part of a tour. MAYBE a guest appearance.

i think we shold stop speculating on the player that will fill buckethead's place. i think that one of the two guys can handle buckethead's parts. give the guys a little credit! they are in guns n' roses afterall! they didn't end up here by mistake!

 :peace:

everybody's wonderin' who will replace buckethead. maybe they will just go on with 2 guitar players. you say that they can't play the songs on the album with only two players cos they wererecorded with three, but you don't know how the album sounds. we only have demos and live versions. and if they do really need a third i guess everybody wants slash back but that would be very hard to do in the present time. why not get izzy for the rythm guitarist (he knows the old songs cos' he wrote them and it wouldn't take him long to learn a few of the new ones) and fink do buckethead's work! i think that could work!

Finck do Buckethead's parts? I love Finck, but even he would say "I can't"  :nervous:

If Michael Angelo were the 3rd guitarist than I would never listen to this band again.

who the hell is that? :confused:

would you prefer navarro or brian may like some others said? i don't think finck would do such a terrible job and mess up buckethead's work.
but we've got a long way to go till summer and who's to say what will happen?

Well, I don't want no one but Buckethead but if I had to settle, I would want a totally new guitarist -- as equally talented and diverse and unique as Buckethead, there's ALOT of great, great, great players out there ... Fortus and Finck though, well don't really measure up when it comes to top echelon type players.

With this tour and stuff though, if BH's parts are on the new songs, i can't see anyone but BH playing it...

I think some people are exaggerating the level of difficulty of Buckethead's playing from the songs we have heard. Thus far, I have yet to hear guitar parts on this album that a seasoned guitarist like Tony MacAlphine couldn't handle. I noticed some sweep-picking fillers thrown around but those parts do not have to be played exactly the same. The majority of concert goers do not have the ear training needed to pickup on discernable differences as long at it's played in the same key and with the same timing. Also, many musicians improvise on-stage and their songs are not always one-hundred percent faithful to the album version. There are a number of guitarist that I would like to see fill the void left by Buckethead but I would really love for the person to be an unknown young prodigy that just stepped out of his father basement and onto the stage with one of the biggest bands of all-time.

Well, i DO have the ear to hear the fuckups, and there aren't a lot of people who can play those taped arpeggios in TWAT or the sweeps in IRS, not as well as BH atleast, but i agree, if anyone new, it should be a young guy new to the scene.

CBS presents Rockstar GNFNR.... Slash can host.

Not necessarily fuck-ups. Just different takes on the song but maintaining the same characteristics. Robin Finck did a lot of this with Slash's song. He was not 100% faithful but he managed to keep the basics while making the songs his own. And you will be surprised by what some musicians can do given the practice. Just check out this guys version of a popular Steve Vai song: http://members.home.nl/r.basic/html/Ismar%20-%20Tender%20Surrender(solo).mp3

I think my ideal guitarist for GNR would be Jerry Chang. This kid is just waiting to explode onto the scene.

Corny, but shit, i'd watch.. imagine all the great guitar music. :)

Yea, there's another Chang in a band or was in a band called dragonforce who plays some really really amazing shit, as far as your Chang, too much of Steve Vai thing for me goin on...

Only from what i've heard, but what young guitarist inst influnced atleast a lil by Vai.

The guy you are thinking about is Hermin Li from DragonForce. Also, the link I posted was not of Jerry Chang. I was just showing how someone can recreate some impossible guitar parts without being 100% faithful.

Yea yea, he's from england, no? i like his work alot. could ease up on the pitch-shifter though.

And not to double post but take a guy like Herman Li who is incredibly talented... i STILL hold him yards before Bucket, playing wise, for me atleast... he just embodies what I wanna hear, and if someone is gonna play his parts (if they play it the same) I won't buy it. it's gotta be a whole new thing if it's gonna be someone else. but i'm sure slash fans said the same about BH. eh... fuck it though, i'm a BH fan, i'm entitled.

stevie i think a lot of people here would like to see buckethead back with axl including me. that would be awesome and i really hope he will return. let's just keep our fingers crossed  : ok:

A blowjob from me to you.  :P <=======8  :beer:

Either way Axl knows by now what the plan is. He wouldn't have committed to these shows otherwise.

I'd really like Joe Perry to play these festival shows, though I guess that's not gonna happen? :-\ he has the skills and the charisma.

The answer to this question is quite simple. Wes, who released the demos said that they were from 2004, so they are old versions of the songs from when BH was in the band. No doubt IRS, Better, TWAT as well as the new songs from 2002 have been reworked since then, with Buckethead's parts removed and replaced with more melodic Finck solos. BH's solo from Madagascar would probably have to stay because it's so integral to the song, but that's a simple solo so could easily be re-recorded and played live by Finck. All the other BH solos I can see being replaced by Finck. Remember from the 2004 press release, Axl said BH was using his work on CD to promote his own solo material, so knowing Axl I would doubt he would give him the satisfaction of leaving his material on the record. Axl had a certain industrial direction he wanted to take the band, and probably wanted to incorportate shred, but now with the BH's departure and with more queen-like arrangemements, that idea is probably gone, along with Buckethead's guitar parts.


In the unlikely event that Axl did keep BH's parts on the record, it's likely that Finck would have been asked to work on his chops. Remember he's already a great guitar player so I'm sure with a lot of work since 2002 he could easily be up to BH's speed standards by now, if Axl felt he still needed shred on the album or someone to play BH's parts live.

Joe Perry?  Dude, Perry makes Slash look like a Shredder.  Perry can't even play the Slash catalogue.

I only made it to page 3, but my vote goes to Gilby Clarke.  It's the most realistic choice.  He already knows the majority of the songs, and he and Axl performed live together a few years back.  Also, he already replaced one gunner, why not do it again?

One world.. on syllable... SLASH!

What about Tracii Guns?   :P

axl has his 3 guitar players

I think the album will remain with Bucket's parts. Then when they play live I reckon they will just improvise with the 2 guitarists. It could work but I did like the 3 guitar attack thing. That was cool!

until they take the stage without bucket , i'll hold out on hopes he will return. If he doesnt GNR will be axl and the other guys to me. Besides Axl the only people that grab any of my attention is Brain and Fortus.

I'm sorry if that offends anyone but thats just how I feel , and I'm not saying finck and fortus wont lay down kickass solo's in the studio .. no , I just cant take to robin one bit. I flinch everytime he appears on the screen on the 2002 tour bootlegs.

I think BH will be in GNR when saul finally takes to Robin.


Is this brown suger guy, BOB SUTHERBY, a flamenco guitarist?
Never heard of him but I think GNR already has a guitarist nimble enough to play flamenco.
I trust you but I don't trust an insider. :P

i hope they do not get this wanker back !!!

What if they get Bucket back, keep Fortus on rhythm and let Finck play....hm.....tambourine?  :D

 ;)

Yea I'm seeing him in Myrtle Beach in March as well. : ok:

It has to be Slash - who else could it be? Id bet my left nut its Mr Hudson on the tour - without a doubt....

I cannot see slash rehearsing songs for Chinese Democracy. Considering that he is part of an established platinum selling rock band already, why go back and be an employee of Axl Rose?

Axl said it himself that he hasn't spoken to Slash in ten years; why in the last two weeks would a major earth moving reconciliation occur?

Mr. Vector, what in the last two weeks has been a reaction to a plausible event?  Nothing at all.  So, its almost like, what will we hear next?  What about the Haflin rumor?  What about Slash leaking the story about March....It is so weird.  I doubt it will happen, but, nothing will suprise me at this point.

If they cancelled Rio in 04 because Buckethead quit wouldnt it maen now that there doin it this year that they
 now have another guitarist

I am sorry but the whole Slash deal is pretty far fetched. I would love it as much as the next guy, but I find it hard to swallow because there is no mention of Duff and/or Izzy, & Sorum. I don't know about the others but Duff would have to be a package deal w/ Slash. There is no way Slash comes on board and Duff doesn't. Slash would not shit on Duff and that matter VR unless it was a full blown reunion w/ all members minus Adler

SLASH SLASH SLASH SLASH

Why not?  Time to move on.  SLASH SLASH SLASH.  Bet the farm on it.

the peeps and admins at Angelo.com (batios official site) all say its BS about him being in the band. id say thats the best info we have right now

Longshot at best. I'm not ruling it out, but a return would knock me on my ass.

Imagine this- Guns N' Roses being announced on stage for one of the festivals they're playing later this year- and Slash running out on stage with them?  Wouldn't that be the best surprise ever?

wonder what marty friedman is doing these days??   :yes: 8)

If there is an interest in selling this band? Selling more seats...Selling more shirts....albums....whatever else...
We will see SLASH......
He may not be the best....but he is the most popular.
VR without Slash....is a pile of shit band.

If they are interested in the best sound...then its some dude ...who has a website and travels around to Mall impressing teens with his fast hands.

No, Slash would be the best sound.  He is not the best guitarist technically, but he is the best guitarist for GNR.  Period.  He is just so much more interesting then Bucket and even Zakk for that matter, even though Zakk is the better player.

Not to be a downer... but Slash ain't coming back.

People who are convinced he is are just not lookin at the facts...

As much as Id love to see Duff and Slash back..it would be a disaster...First of all they would feel SUPERIOR to pittman,fortus and brain...wich I think will cause some trouble...not to mention Dizzy?s discomfort..and right now I think Axl wants this guys happy.  :-\

The ONLY reason Slash may come back is because the guy is a legendary rock star... not just some guy in a platinum selling band that had a nice debut record.... A LEGEND. Steven Adler (who arguably knows Slash better than anyone else) alluded to it in his Metal Sludge interview... Slash gets downright giddy when it comes to playing stadiums, and hitting the road and being a rock n' roll legend.... again not just some nice band... but a LEGENDARY band... that's what he grew up with... that's what he always wanted... and touring with Axl under the GN'R banner may be the only way he ever gets it back... VR is a great little band, but it will never go down with Zepelin, The Stones, Floyd, etc. like GN'R will. I guess Steven's a little bitter about Slash- and very fvcked up (obviously)... but reading that article... I'm not convinced Slash would absolutely make it a "package" deal that he would only come back with Duff, Izzy and Matt, etc... I've always felt like Slash is more like Axl than people realize... very ambitious... probably why they were a great duo AND constantly clashing swords....

Also, Slash is a great student of rock history- and from what I can tell- despite all their feuds- has a healthy respect for Axl's place in rock history... at a minimum, I think the guy is genuinely excited about Axl's return... could that "excitement" lead to a lead guitar slot with the band? Probably not, but I don't think it's CRAZYTALK either. :smoking:

I wish he would come back.....

Merck confirmed the festival dates for GNR.



Probably an official statement.


What about it? He just said that the original line up of GNR will be playing at Download. he didn't say that they will be playing TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME IN ONE BAND!!!! They may be there with their own respective bands....



Don't forget that GNR have been with Geffen from day one.....Slash still has lots of friends there....someone could have easily told him the inside info on CD...that's not weird.

What's weird was his enthusiasm about it....don't forget that HE called that radio station and talked about it, it wasn't the other way around....that's more weird than the fact that he knew.


yeah, likewise....i hope it doesn't, as then the last 12 yrs were a waste of everyone's time....Axl should get back together with Slash as they make a good team, but only in a few years time, once CD has been released and toured for.

Not before.

I don't understand why people have this idea Slash may come back.

Just a few weeks ago Axl said he hadn't spoken to Slash in so long.

Slash is in this band called Velvet Revolver and has made his thoughts on using the name GN'R clear.

Slash is not coming back  :no:

mmm. it is highly unlikely Slash is coming back unless both of them have been keeping a big secret. Axl was less than forthcoming in his latest interview, the tones of both their recent interviews sound reconcilitary

and I agree, Slash wouldnt come back without Duff, but whos to say Duff wont come back either... Tommy seems more at home with Soul Asylum these days - everybody wins!

all very unlikely of course


my ideal 3rd guitarist would of course be Slash but failing that:

1) Buckethead. The guys a motherfucker. Hugely talented and the only new member with a modicum of what Axls starpower and marketibilty used to be. No one can replace the enormous vacuum left by Slash, but this guy can create a buzz that at least counters it somewhat This band badly needs a 'new' star, and BH could have been the guy.

2) Dave Navarro. A great player if a little too much of a media whore these days.

3) Kim Thayil. This could sound great I reckon. It would really fuck things up and throw the cat amongst the pigeons. I could never see Kim agreeing though, he's far too metaphysical although Axl does seem to have a penchant for indie/underground/alternative types.

4) Someone mentioned Vernon Reid in another post. Interesting. He's a great shredder, I cant see this happening especially as he was a vocal critic of Axls One in a million lyrics back when they both opened for the Stones. Whats that guy been doing lately anyway?

IF GNR are looking for a 3rd guitarrist, NUNO ( ex - Extreme ) is the BEST guy to do it
 :beer:

I cant believe someone else besides me thinks he would be a great choice. I suggested Kim in the buckethead replacement thread ages ago.

Even Gilby said, VR is dull rock and SLASH is going through the motions.
People who don't like each other personally use each other all the time because it benefits themselves.

LJ

if Axl wants someone to play Buckets parts, get Warren DeMartini. the dude is a wild guitarplayer, and I can imagine he would scrap anything else he's doing for the opportunity to play with Axl.
besides, he looks cool these days, lol.
Nuno is also an excellent choice btw.
he might also check if Jerry Cantrell is free, great guitarplayer and an awesome backupsinger!
but Im guessing he's busy with AIC + new singer thing.

hrm, do you guys think there's any chance Izzy could come back?  In Jan. Axl said he had just talked with Izzy.

Kim really doesn't play guitar anymore.  He's kicking it in semi-retirement these days. : ok:

Isn't he a doctor or a psychologist? Or used to be anyways. Surely Axl could talk him out of semi-retirement. : ok:

I have no idea.  I was always fond of his guitar work so it was sad when I read an interview from Chris Cornell where he said that Kim doesn't play much anymore.  But as a replacement for Big B, I don't think Kim could do GNR justice.  He's not technical enough, but he has an awesome style though. : ok:

He is an amazing guitar player. Your right, not the same style as BH though. Without Kim, Soundgarden never would have been as great as they were. Maybe he can get Kim for the 2nd and 3rd CD of the trilogy. :hihi:

I would definatley be down for that. : ok:

Guns n Roses may not be the most dangerous band in the world, but they are definately the most dramatic.

i think I would vomit if Warren DeMartini was the new lead.

Still, and Axl knows this, if they we're to tour again WITH Slash they would rule again like in the 80's. They would be the biggest band in the world. For sure.

And Axl knows it and so does Slash.....the idea isn't that far fetched.....maybe it has been long enough to heal everything. Cos let's be honest, the new music ain't that different from the old Guns.....and old-skool GnR is what the underground bands are making these days.....old-skool GnR sound will be hot again within the next few years.....the whole idea of the Old GnR wouldn't be weird at all, it would be very logical.

Too much time went by for the Industrial GnR and now Industrial is everything but hot. It's what Guns was in '95.....

So the original GnR would make more sense then anything....

so no one thinks there is a chance izzy could come back?

By all accounts Izzy loves the studio BUT hates the chaos of touring, videos, promotion, etc... so I can't possibly imagine him as a "performing" member of Guns N' Roses ever again...

That being said, I personally wouldn't be SHOCKED if Izzy has heard Chinese Democracy and given a few comments... and I wouldn't be SHOCKED if after hearing CD, Izzy called Slash and said "FYI: (1) this album is pretty good; (2) not far off from the classic Guns' sound; and (3) oh by the way... they may need another lead guitarist." :drool:

Speculating/dreaming here- but it is one plausible way to reconcile the lingering reunion rumors with the seemingly impending release of CD and summer festival tour...

I got you one even better...C.C. Deville.





 :hihi:

What i find very interesting is that among fans there are 2 significant demands for a reunion..

The One is obvious the Axl-Slash Reunion in GNR

But Now

The Other one is The Axl-Buckethead Reunion in GNR

This one has been emerging a lot after the Demos leakage and by the
looks of it it will be very strong when the album will be released (Assuming the Bucket Solos are there) and become a big success....Especially for the younger Fans Buckethead could be the guitar god we all found in Slash when we started listening to GNR...

Now this is quite unique and i cannot recall something like that to have happened in the past with other big Bands....Time will tell...

I'm just waiting for someone during these summer concerts to show up with a t-shirt that says, "Buckethead=GN'R" and as a result gets kicked out of the show by Axl.

heh I was thinkin' that too. ?At first I was like, "Boo hoo hoo - I want Slash". ?Now it's, "Boo hoo hoo - I want Buckethead." ?Weird.

Yeah.  "He's in my ass.  That's where Buckethead is, #@!*head."

I'd rather have Buckethead then that douche Slash.

Well look at the 2002 shows.....more and more people started showing up to the concerts wearing Buckets and such.........he was really loved all around. ?He already had a nice following of his own plus the Primus crowd so of course a lot of those people showed up too. ?And when they heard him play on the songs especially Nightrain everyone knew that his flavor fit in nicely. ?Sure people won't like him, sure people still want Slash, hell I wouldn't even doubt that there are people out there who claim Tracii Guns is the true GNR guitarist and should have stayed. ?There's always someone who has to disagree with you even if they know the goddamn songs kick ass.

GREAT observation.  Very wierd indeed.  Maybe its the young gunners who don't remember Slash with GNR too much?  Plus BH is a pretty sick guitarist.  There aren't many guys who can play today.....can you even name guitarists in modern rock bands these days?  They are a dime a dozen.

Back in the 80s, I could name every lead singer and lead guitarist for the big to average bands out there.  It was like comparing football fans comparing quarterbacks, which band had the best guitarist, wouldn't it be cool if so and so was in that band....stuff like that. 

You don't hear people saying, "man, that guitarist from Nickelback would sound AWESOME in puddle of mudd!!! hahah.

When someone on a GN'R board refers to Slash as a douche, it strikes me as absolutely astonishing.? Like someone saying Page should've stayed with Coverdale.? Or maybe that Mick should've ditched Keith because he's a druggie.? There are about a half-dozen or so combinations in Rock history that will never be anything other than archetypal.? Lennon/McCartney.? Page/Plant.? Jagger/Richards.? Tyler/Perry.? Mercury/May.? Axl/Slash.? I'm fine with these people going on and doing things on their own.? That's life.? But to even pretend that they are better with anyone else just doesn't make sense to me.

thanks mike

Slash is probably one of the most, if not most respected rock guitarists among his peers

too call him a douche is ignorant

Buckethhead aint shit compared to slash he aint even shit compared to Finck

It has nothing to do with Slashs playing,its his personality that annoys me.

what, that he's respectful of people, fans, bandmates

ever read some of the stories about Axl and his personalities?

His shrinks, Yoda, spiritual advisors, etc

Great post!  I also want to add, that this is music, not sports.  Bucket, Slash, Stradlin, Clarke, Finck, and Fortus are all very talented, and let's just enjoy how this plays out.  It is a luxury to have all of these great players, in or, associated with GNR.  It's not a win or lose situation, it's about making great music--which all of these guy's do in their own way! 

I do agree, because of the past greatness, Slash and Axl are considered by many a dynamic duo.  Both, though, can succeed without each other, but might find the greatest commercial success when they are together. 

I'd rather see bucket back in guns then slash.  :peace:

Hell , i'd trade finck, fortus,pittman & dizzy for bucket.  :love:

SHIT, are you serious?  The whole time I thought you were comparing Bucket Head to Kordell Stewart!!!!   :hihi:

so would I b/c that would mean the end of VR if Slash went back to GnR.....and there would be another 10 year wait for music

And if Axl feels like having those things then what is the problem?

Slash a flake,one minute he criticises Axl and the next he praises him. He needs to get off the rag and stop being so wishy washy.

The press can make anyone look like a flake.  They do, and will, make Axl look one all the time.  Moreover, most musicians are a little bi-polar.

awesome

IMO I think if Bucket was to come back they could ditch Finck...Fortus is a great player.
I'm not saying that's what I want or anything,but it's something to think about as far as the need for three players is concerend

I think it's almost impossible for an hypothetical new fan to take Buckethead as a new ''Guitar god'' just because he is extremely good. Young people don't know who Paul Gilbert is, who Joe Satriani is, who Angus Young is or who David Gilmour is. They NEED to know them if you want them to take Buckethead as a guitar god. In these terms, I think Slash is more digestible than Buckethead. ?Why? Because Slash has a lot more scenic presence, he's more spectacular than Buckethead and... even if you're 10 years old YOU KNOW WHO SLASH IS.

Young people will think that Buckethead is boring. As they probably think Gilbert is boring, and as they probably think that hard rock itself is boring. They were born listening to bullshit music like rap, bubblegum pop and all that shit. I think they'll prefer listening to Black Eyed Peas, Kelly Clarkson or Ashlee Simpson.

That's why I doubt about the ''inminent success'' of the new band. I can't imagine people younger than 20 or 22 in GN'R upcoming concerts. We will be a bunch of old dudes, without all the horny and hysterical chicks that used to go massivly to the 87-93 era concerts (I went to River Plate Stadium in 07.17.93 and I can say for sure that the 85% of the 80.000 people in that day were those chicks)

By the way, I don't give a shit about ''success'', ''massive concerts'' and MTV and all that shit. I'm very proud that MY FAVOURITE BAND is still doing music, and that's not all, BRILLIANT music.

I'm 22 and I feel like my grandpa talking this way  :rofl:

God Bless Guns N' Roses (all eras)? : ok:

(forgive my english, my mother language is spanish as you can realise)

I didn't read the whole thread so excuse me if this has been posted. I think Buckethead's parts could be covered fairly easily by Chris Pittman. A synth can mock pretty much any tone. Anyone who knows the band Dream Theater knows that Jordan Rudess often plays a guitar part on his keyboard setup to complement John Petrucci.

Alright, it probably wouldn't be that easy, but I was being serious. I don't know how talented Pittman is, but I know that playing those fast sweeps on a keyboard is much, much easier than playing them on a guitar. As a guitar player, I appreciate how difficult the Buckethead stuff is. In fact, I have been listening to him well before he joined the band. I know that one of the main reasons he learned and mastered the 10-finger tapping stuff was to replicate a piece of music that Shawn Lane wrote for the piano with the idea that it would be impossible to play on the guitar (Buckethead didn't know this when he heard the tape, so he figured it out anyway).

Listen to any recent Dream Theater. The synth that Jordan Rudess uses replicates a distorted, effect driven guitar tone. His setup allows for bending notes, wah effects, and whammy effects.  A few years ago Dream Theater was closing thier shows with Master of Puppets (the entire album). Because the band only has one guitar player (Petrucci), Rudess had to handle a lot of the rythym guitar and some of the harmony leads on his keyboards. (Metallica later said that hearing Dream Theater cover Master of Puppets was the only time the songs were performed flawlessly live). My point is that playing fast licks can be replicated on keyboards.

Well i for one would rather see Buckethead ripping his own solos up live as to having see Pittmen play it on keyboard. not for me.

check mate.

Wow, there are some really terrible guitarists on the market.

Clearly. The guy is phenomenal. But if he's not in the band, and Bumblefoot isn't in the band, than I say leave it at two guitars.

yea but they aren't gonna be able to play the parts as i'd want to hear it. i think if no bucket, they need a lead player up to par.

Sorry guys, but this might be the worst "Phenomenon" that just found its way into my toilet.  ***News Flash*** Buckethead is not GnR.  Slash is and will always be the face of rock...why do you think VR sold so well.  And don't give me this SnakePit crap.  Question?...Would you rather see Axl with his new band...or would you rather see Axl with Slash and Duff.  That is why we are here right?

believe me, you`ll see lots of younger people at gnr concerts.....i`m one of them : ok:

Not why i'm here. Me personally? Axl with BH, Finck, Fortus n dizzy. :)

80's are over. not to be cruel, but theres only so much raw sun-set strip blues based rock i can take, 14 years should mean change, and those guys still play their 80's music. and for those who enjoy it, cool, but i don't.

hahahah! ?;D



Great post. I think all the new guitarists are great, and BH is obviously a talent, but you really said whats special to me about Slash in GNR, that place in history that the old band carved out, and how him and Axl had that dynamic. I wouldn't want a reunion, not now, but you can't deny their place. Thats what made the band so special, not just good, not just enjoyable, but special - look at that handful of combinations there, the Axl/Slash combo was a long time coming, and nobody has done it since.

Brian May. Well, he did step in to rework Finck's parts when he was out of the band... :)

SG

A few years ago when Slash played with Michael Jackon he played "beat it." Slash was smart enough to know not to play Eddie Van Halen's solo, so he made up his own. If CD is released with BH's parts, when they play the songs live they will just have to wing it, like Slash did w/ "beat it."

So you are liking a band based on image? Cause they haven't done anything really.....or you have a cd containing al those great songs written by Dizzy, Finck n Fortus never released?

You don't play those old albums? Never popping in AFD or UYI?

People saying they only like GnR based on Finck, Fortus or Dizzy make me sick.

I love when people put things in classes, like the 80's are over..  :D yeah axl with slash I just think 80's

Especially when the music GnR made is based on 60/70's Zeppelin and 70's Aerosmith. Stupid fucks don't know shit about the music itself. The reason GnR was big is because they made music NOT in the style of the 80's.

And if they don't like the "80's GnR" then fucking stop listening to the new shit cause that don't sound very different from the Old GnR. Go put on that fantastic song Dizzy wrote us "Silkworms".

most people saying stupid shit like that just hate the old band or never experienced.... The reason the forums even exist..  Exactly about gnr's influences and why people flocked to afd because it wasn't sounding like poison, it didn't sound 80's....  We all know afd is such a dated album :hihi:

Ok guys i m new here but i would like to point u one thing that Slash ain't coming back cuz i think u guys didn't read what Axl said to the DJ in NY"He said(Axl Rose) this album (Chinese Democracy)will show everyone who was the main ingredient from GN'R.So that line proves that Axl thinks that he can carry the New GNR without Slash.I m surprized that why u guys don't realized that Axl wants to prove that he was GNR,he is GNR & he will be GNR...

He was part of GnR , a legendary band built from amazingly talented people....cause if he was/is GnR where's the Rock N Roll in the recent line-up? That Rock N Roll vibe that made GnR what it is today? I really think GnR wouldn't have been so big without Izzy and Slash. Axl can't write a PC, SCOM, WTTJ, ISE, YCBM, DC pretty big hits don't you think?

And no, Slash ain't coming back....didn't need his comment to figure that one out.

Yeah i know what u mean but im just trying to say that Slash ain't coming back because people still thinks that Slash will come back.But it WON'T happen......MARK MY WORD

Oh yeah, i get what you mean. It wasn't directed at you specifically ....what I meant was that an article doesn't make me realize that Slash ain't coming back cause enough shit has happened in the past for them to never reunite.

Still I find it a bit stupid or Axl to really think he was the main ingredient for GnR's succes. I guess he never would have thought that Slash would become as popular (or maybe even more) than himself.

Do they really need 3 guitar players? GNR doesn't need to be like Lynyrd Skynyrd and have 11 members!

Well I agree. But these songs were written and produced with 3 players, so basically yeah. The real question is do they really need 2 keyboard players. I mean can't they hide Dizzy and Chris bhind a curtain or something :-\

Possibly. I am not sure if the new songs are specifically designed around three guitarists. I am certain that Finck's abilities extend beyond what I heard from him during the 2002 tour; he could do the Bucket parts but they may not have the same quality and tempo as Big B could execute. Both Finck and Fortus had some trouble with the Slash parts, but both will no doubt shine on the new record.

Personally, I would recommend getting another guy; it could take alot of pressure off Finck n fortus if there was another rhythm player or substitute lead to handle a few of the parts.

On a side note, I am convinced that Brian May will show up on the tour at some point and crank out Catcher for us.

There is no doubt for me that Robin can handle the load.  : ok:

If there is a third guitarist it should be Vernon Reid of Living Colour. I just hope its not someone like Wes Borland. That old rumor still gives me nightmares.

As far as I know and im pretty mucha big BLS/Zakk fan his work on CD is not gonna be on the finished product. And I do not think that the solo is Zakk. He wouldnt have time to join he's int he studio writing and recorded the new BLS album and then hes touring Europe, South America, and I think Austrila. Of course Ozzfest and then he'll write and record with Ozzy... too busy.

I like two guitarist and I like BH but I do not think he's right for GnR. Time will tell.

I don't think they'll add a 3rd guitar. but if they do, my guess is Gilby Clarke.

they could play with one of those, oh shit, what's it called? a "click-tape" maybe. you know , like a lot of bands do (motley crue and def leppard come to mind).

I think many people on this board would be surprised on how great of a lead player Gilby is and what he may be able to add to GNR.  Sometimes I think people don't give him credit since he filled Izzy's spot on the Illusion tour
If Bucket is truly gone, perhaps Gilby can get into the mix....but who knows, right?

I'd be down for some Gilby Clark rockin with GnR again.

Since Gilby did the Hollywood Rose thing, and the fact he said this band isn't GNR, I'd say that would be a no. I never really cared for Gilby's playing that much anyway.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Gary Sunshine.

Axl let Robin come back after he left to tour with NIN.  I am still amazed about that.  I hate, I repeat HATE to beat a dead horse, but Bucket could come back.
Tracii Guns wanted to come back after Nikki Sixx blew off Brides of Destruction to return to Crue, but Axl didn't return his email (that's according to Tracii).  I'd have to guess that both Tracii and Gilby Clarke pissed off Axl with their involvement in the Hollywood Rose remixes.
Slash has VR and no amount of wishing is going to bring him back (at least not until they are as old as the Eagles or the Rolling Stones, and they need the money.)
Paul was decent, but not great, and having him step in would only force Robin or Richard to try to shred, which neither excels at.
Who does that bring us back to? Bucket. 
Unless Axl surprises us like last time, and we find out there is a new member thanks to a last second press release not even put out by the band, management or record company!  Everyone be watching the official sites for the shows coming up... maybe they'll know something first!

Bucket quit the band before. No one thought he'd be at the Rio show and there he was.

i just wish he didnt look that damn weird.. hes got talent and everything.. but.. damn man.. the whole image kinda makes people look at the band and say.. damn... what happened u know?hes a freak.. and we all know it...

That happens until they hear BH play then they dont care what he looks like.

I think it would be cool to have Tracii guns in the band. Then the name guns N roses would make sense. :hihi: Is he even talented? Or is he just like average?

yeah i know. But do u get what i mean? lol.... him and axl dont go together like axl and slash u know.. batman and robin not batman and.. the riddler.

That was deep dude.

U think so? lol... i think it was fitting.

finck and fortus can handle lead and rhytm on their own, i would be surprised if a third guitar player showed up but you never know with gnr so it's gonna be exciting to see if axl pulls a 2002 press release before the tour. would be cool. :smoking:

Bring the one and only BUCKETHEAD back.  His guitar work on this album is gonna be the second best thing next to Axl's vocals.

Axl hasn't stated that bucketheads work will be on the album has he?  What if Axl does not like buckethead as a person now. Does he leave the guitar work on because he believes it is better for the song. Or does he remove it because he would rather hear a song without the touch of someone he has bad feelings about.

Just a thought and Axl could still talk to buckethead and have a great respect for him....and BH's work is probably on CD.

Slash would never be a third guitarist.

I think Bucket will come back. It would be a shame for him to contribute so much to CD and then not benefit from its release.

I hope you are right but I think he won't for two reasons:

    
Bucket tour dates:
Friday, June 9, 2006  Wakarusa   Lawrence, KS
Saturday, June 10, 2006 Wakarusa  Lawrence, KS
        
GnR tour dates:
June 9th, 2006  Dublin, Ireland @ RDS Arena

June 11th, 2006
Donington, UK @ Donington Park (Download Festival)

I think Bucket's reign in GnR is over, unfortunately.

Don't worry...Bucket is not that good.

I'm sure there is can be someone who can fill in for Mr. bucket

CD is comming out this year...just relax! :D

Damn! That basically kills our hopes for BH. :crying: :crying: But theoretically, he could cancel those Kansas dates. I know, I'm in dreamland. Hope GNR plays IRS at Rio. I want to see Robin or Richard try and redeem that song like BH did.

Nice detective work,KV. : ok: Even though its bad news.

Nesquick will be extremely happy....someone should go wake him up. :hihi:

Not only do you not know what you're talking about, its also obvious you haven't heard these demos.

as well as Bucket's solo records.

unless Buckethead announces more tour dates during the GNR tour in Europe, i still belive that everything can happen.

I don't wanna be a total ass, but when I heard Bucket's work on the Better demo it sounds like a gambling machine. With all the noises en weird melodies. One of my friends said the exact same thing without me saying what I thought.

Not my style.....so I don't hope the guy will be back. I think Fortis and Finck is just fine.....

"Axl hasn't stated that bucketheads work will be on the album has he?  What if Axl does not like buckethead as a person now. Does he leave the guitar work on because he believes it is better for the song."

Yeah that was my question...from what I've read about these demos BH is on them (correct?)...if that benefits Axl in any way shape or form, whether that be more albums sold once the album is released, good\bad publicity whatever Axl will leave him on the record...the only way BH comes back (in my humble opinion) is via a legal threat\contract thingie...so I would be a bit cautious about linking BH's currently posted tour date schedule with any kind of gnr connection...there are suppose to be more BH dates added according to BHL...I really think Fortus can do the job though (again, my two cents)

the band won't make the Buckethead's mistake twice. Buckethead is the past, turn the page, it's over. Have you heard Tommy in his recent interviews talking about Buckethead? He said "buckethead was a nightmare", isn't that enough clear for you?

Money talks. If they waved enough money in front of Buckethead he'd come back for the tour. And since Axl has the say in what GnR does the other guys would simply have to deal. Plenty of bands tour that pretty much hate each other off stage.

And hold a gun to his head and Robin still couldn't begin to cover Buckethead's slack. Sorry.

I don't think that's what Axl wants in his band. I don't think he wants his bandmates to hate each other. and I don't think he would put Guns N' Roses in danger just by "waving enough money in front of buckethead". Richard, Robin and Tommy are friends, I think they knew each other before joining Guns N' Roses, Richard and Tommy played music together in the past, it's a long time friendship, I highly doubt the band as A WHOLE, as a musical and human entity, wants BH to be back. didn't buckehead and robin almost fight together backstage in 2002? I heard that.
Finally stop considering Buckethead's guitar parts on these demos are that complicated to play, it's not THAT complicated, it's pretty basic, he just plays fast. every good professional guitarist is able to play that with a little training. and the most important is that his parts are the less melodious guitar parts ever heard in Guns N' Roses. For me, his shredding solos sound out of place and ugly. Robin's solos are much more melodious. 

You contradict yourself. It's hard to play fast. His phrasing might not be super complicated but to play at that speed is definitely hard. And all I said was if you held a gun to Robin's head he couldn't recreate those parts if his life depended on it. I'm sure there are plenty who could just not him. Robin's lead playing always sounds too nervous to me in spots where he should probably lay back more. But what do I know I've only been playing guitar for 15 years.

Shut Up Your Mouth!!!

yeah right, it's hard to hear the truth.
You'll never see BH back onstage and that's the truth, and that's fucking GREAT? : ok:
the band will be huge now, you'll see it, people will love this band without the robot.

Wow...

Bitterness and hatred are paths to the dark side, young padawan.

:)

Don't worry (It will be like Christmas morning, like when you were a kid) When they go on stage, we'll see who's in the line-up.

Ah crap...does that mean we're all gonna have to wear pink bunny suits from Aunt Clara?!?

There doesn't need to be a third guitarist

IMO it really depends on how the songs were written :-\

if the songs on CD were written with 3 guitars in mind then we do, if they were worked out to only require 2 then the lineup is proll set with Richard and Robin.

Man the end of May sure is taking it's sweet-ass time in coming :hihi:

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Maybe Axl is gonna be the third guitarist :o jk  :rofl:

To those who say it would be easy to replace BH...Have you ever heard anybody play like that? I?m not just refering to his incredible speed, but to his style in general. He definetly has a ??sound?? that?s completely his own. Now, my point is this: you could easily find a guitarist that?s good enough to mimic BH?s parts as they are, but then that guitarist wouldn?t have any creative freedom at all. He would have to be a complete copycat. What would he do live? Play BH?s parts note by note like he did on the album? What about improvisation? You can?t play something Bucketheadesque and mix it with something completely different within the same song. It?s like having a singer that sings like Axl one moment and like Elvis the next. He would have to play something at least in a very similar fashion. And if it?s true that 3 albums were being/are being recorded at the same time, then this does not affect only CD, but the others as well. Have you ever thought of that? I think that would be incredibly frustrating for a guitarist to be limited like that. (Not to mention how frustrating it can be to be a part of a band like Guns, *Puts on Jerry Lewis voice* with the riots, and the cancelling, and the no-showing kindav singer-person... :hihi:) .

If they bring a third guitarist, the parts shouldn?t be completely re-recorded as they are. The new guitarist should put his own style and wrap it around the songs. Maybe do some re-writting. And that takes time, and talent... On the other hand, IT?S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE BH LEFT. So who knows...I guess we?ll find out in a couple of months

PD: I don?t really like BH?s playing. I hate shredding; and in my opinion talented guitarists like Vai and Satriani are really at their best when they are NOT playing insanely fast, but more melodically. BucketHead is a VERY interesting player, he does tons of weird, wild stuff...(Johnny Carson) but the Nintendo sounding things he adds here and there and the 30 notes a milisecond solos he sometimes rips do not fit with the Guns sound, imo. At least, judging from bootlegs I?ve heard.

 :rant: Just to reiterate this, but Buckethead is not just a shredder or a "weird" sounds player. Anyone thinking that simply is too lazy to do any amount of research at all. And, if you think he's just a shredder, haven't you heard the bootlegs from the 02 tour? He didn't just shred, that's for damn sure, and when called on, he duplicated Slash's parts perfectly, so we already know he can play Slash's style.

On the demos, he's put a unique sound into the songs. It's really gonna suck for you all Bucket haters when the CD comes out, Bucket's on it, and when they tour, no one can make the songs sound the same. And, when the "Democracy" reviews roll in, they're gonna talk about 4 main things: Axl; how long it took to make the CD; how much it cost to make the CD; and Buckethead's unique style.

Well, whoever people are the guitarists of GNR now, I've only got one thing to say: please don't EVER let Robin Finck play ANY of Slash's solos again. I swear to god, when I hear Finck butchering the solos on November Rain and SCOM, it makes me wanna push my finger through my eye into my brain and twirl it around....

Can?t you read? I said I thought he is a VERY INTERESTING PLAYER WITH A UNIQUE STYLE. I didn?t dismiss his as a shredder. ::)  I said I hate SHREDDING, that is, very very fast playing. You can?t deny BH, quite often, shreds, or plays very very fast. I AM NOT SAYING HE DOESN?T OR CAN?T PLAY MELODICALLY. I?m not even saying shredding is bad per se, I just happen to hate it. Now, here comes the tricky part, read carefully and slowly, please: BH usually shreds and plays weird Nintendo sounds. He DOES AND CAN play other other things; in fact he often does and mix both things to create something unique. Do I think it goes along well with Guns material? No, but that?s just my opinion. I don?t think he was really confortable duplicating Slash?s parts. He COULD play them perfectly, but I think he saw doing that as a sort of one-time thing, you know? It may have been fun to emulate Slash a little on stage for a while, but since CD wasn?t making any apparent progress, I guess BH thought he had enought and would rather play the way he always has.

Why is this thread so long?  Didn't somebody (Richard I think) already say that him and Robin are sharing the lead?

buckethead, unique style ? i just think he's technically brilliant, with some good inspiration sometimes,
but i see him as a Satriani and i don't think he has a particular sound.
you can recognize Hendrix, Clapton, Slash at the first notes they play, i can't say the same for Buckethead...

to answer to this topic : if Slash will rejoin Guns, it will be just amazing.

yeah I agree. But it seems there is a kind of Buckethead sect around here. They might be the only ones on earth. :hihi:
Anyway, Robin and Richard will do a great job, no doubt about it. I have a GREAT feeling about this guitar duet, they really complete each other, the new band is like a team now, and since I've heard what Robin is capable of on the demos, I even start beeing a fan of him. :)

I can't figure out whether the legal press release has given more possibilty for a Slash return or not...

On one hand, he's suing Axl, so that cannot be good for a reunion.

But on the other hand, he's bitching about his VR bandmates...

I personally think Bucket's parts will definitely be deleted. no way he is gonna want Bucket to get all this credit if he isnt even in the band.

What if Slash and Axl were in talks for Slash to guest spot on one song?

they should definitely try to get buckethead back....considering that his guitars will be on chinese democracy, it only makes sense to have him in the band when they tour, and to have him take part in the comeback, etc....but they should only let him back in if he agrees to do away with the retarted mask and bucket get-up.  as good as he is, he probably hurts the band more than anything because he is such a freak, and no one will take gnr seriously with a lead guitarst that looks like something out of peewee's playhouse.

Saw Bucket last night in Nashville, TN... and man... he's fucking incredible. Pure nonesense that he can't play with feeling... I heard some stuff last night as beautiful as anything I've heard Slash play. Anyway, he was a little late getting on and disappeared after the show... but I did talk to the dude that handles all the Buckethead merchandise and basically travels with BH on a daily basis... he said "no way in hell" when I asked him if BH will go back to GN'R... I wanted some more info... but he just shook his head and chuckled like I was speaking martian... so either he's sitting on a BIG secret and didn't want to disclose OR BH ain't ever going back...

Actually last night was kind of painful... BH is so fucking awesome and it was such a coup when Axl landed him... it's a pity things didn't work out... but we're probably better off to just block it out of our minds and hope/assume that in the last 2 years Axl's come up with something even better (another player or even better music by increasing Robin's and Richard's roles). : ok:

so seriously, if you all could take back one guitarist would you want slash or buckethead?  I hope BH's parts are deleted even though they sound amazing.  Fuck him if he doesnt want in.  He shouldnt get credit for dick.  Why should axl further BH's fame.  I hope Fortus is a shredder and can redo BH's parts. 

like I said before maybe Axl will be the third guitarist :hihi:

I would take Buckethead back over Slash. Slash would be for nostalgia... Buckethead would take GN'R through Chinese Democracy and beyond...

I don't know man. I think that Buckethead is too much of an elite kinda thing. You have to really like his style. And the people I've played the new songs to said it was kinda too much, especially the part in Better.

I dunno, maybe it's just me but I was excited by what I heard from Buckethead on those new demos. I was excited by the idea of all these young kids just picking up guitars for the first time and hearing him on the new GnR album and being excited by someone who just dominates his instrument.

Rock needs a new guitar hero badly, and all these wannabe Korn/Linkin Park/Nu Metal/Strokes/can barely play worth a shit guitarists just ain't cuttin' it.

Saul has said this many times in this forum and I agree with him.

Bucket would have been a star in GnR.

I don't know; it's hard to say.

suuuuuure? :rofl:
He was a huge Star in 2002, I mean, he was even more popular than Axl. I tell you man, Buckethead was the main man of Guns N' Roses :rofl: :rofl:

considering the fact that when he was in GNR and whenever they got press HE was usually the only guy who got press besides axl kinda proves the point.

If bucket had stayed/returns and GNR gets huge again bucket would/will be the #2 star in that band behind axl rose. That, IMHO is a 110% true statement.

Just my opinion though , ya know?

funny how yer boy robin was NEVER mentioned in detail at all by the press , it sure wasnt HIM kurt loder put on the MTV interview either was it? It wasnt robin jimmy fallon mentioned after the VMA's , etc etc etc ....

Sure, I know.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a star to me personally once they got it rolling, but a star to the masses. :)

Dude, did you see Kurt Loder when he interviewed Buckethead? He was terrorized. He had to talk to...A MUPPET.
Absolutely ridiculous, and painfull.

Bukethead would be a HUGE star in GN'R... easily #2 behind Axl... perhaps the 2nd biggest rock star in the world if Guns  made it big again... but that's probably much of the reason he ultimately doesn't want the gig... go to a BH concert and it's largely alterna-snobs who don't want their precious Buckethead over-exposed... I think he buckled under all that crap....

I agree 100%, Saul. Nesquick and a few other delusional people have no idea how big of a loss this really is. During the past few years, when Blender Magazine would have mentions of GNR, BH was mentioned just as much as Axl, and in a few cases, there was a BH pic with no mention of Axl. BH is the only person from 'new' GNR that could have silenced all the 'where's Slash?' people when the album comes out. He would have been a great presence in the videos. The other members are bland, and no one will really pay much attention. They have no 'aura' that surrounds them. Axl does. BH does. The rest do not. It is a HUGE loss. Not just for the image of the band, but the quality of the album will be called into question if his parts have been removed.

Funny how Nesquick says they are so much better without him. They haven't done shit without him.

The interview was awesome. I enjoyed it thoroughly, even moreso because it disturbed others.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Why do you even bother looking in these threads? You just say the same thing all the goddamn time.

Good point Lofton,

GN'R has always been about larger than life personalities... STARS.... inaccessible somehow... not average joes that could be hanging out at your local watering hole... Axl is still a STAR obviously... but the rest of the guys are pretty vanilla... especially since Finck seems to have watered-down his whole NIN goth routine... BH was a personality... a 2nd reason for a casual rock fan to go to a Guns show... few bands have TWO stars to go watch and its a special thing when they do...

absolutley

he was essential to new GNR, the only one beside Axl with that X factor, the press would have lapped him up
and what a guitarist  :yes:

wow , glad alot of you agree.

I never understood why so many people turned on bucket when he left. Oh well.

As for nesquick , lol , I cant even take that kid seriously anymore ... hate the characther , mask , bucket .. thats fine .. but to be ignorant to the mans talent on guitar and to ignore what he brought to the leaked demo's? Blind ignorance.

For me it was the intrigue factor when I first got to know Buckethead at his start in GNR.  Then after a few video bootlegs I was like holy shit, this guy is incredible. 

Then when he left I kind of fell into this rut the past 2 years of thinking that he wasn't that big of deal and the other two will pick up the slack.  But it all boils down to the music and these leaks, mainly Better, prove that he could/did fit in nicely with GNR. 

As for a reunion with his former Gn'R mates, that seems unlikely. "I haven't spoken to Slash in ten years," Rose says. "I love the guy, I always wanted everyone to know how great he was, but.... I was just talking to Izzy the other day though."

of course izzy could be the new guitarist.....................................................

although they`re probably looking for a bucket replacement..

yeah what he ^ said. I would love to see Izzy and Axl together again, but don't you think they would need a guitarist that could play Buckets parts?

i thought of that because if there is still a search for lead guitar player - very vital part of a rock band i'm just not sure if it will work out well.

Has Finck confirmed he is still in GnR?

Im sure by now they either have the replacement, or they will play with only Finck and Fortus. cos it's pretty much too late for a new guy to come in now and join them in NY in a few weeks.
if that was to happen, he would have to be a freaking guitar genious like nobody else, who could learn Buckets parts in no time..oh yeah, and he would have to start rehearsing with the band in the next few days if he was to have any chance of playing all the stuff, no matter how good he is.

at this pont the decision is made, we just don't know what has been decided, guess we'll find out in May.

No Way... He could be but I don't want things to explode again like they did last time..

We have only 2 options:
Fortus will play BH solos. Izzy or Huge on rythm.
New guitar player to play BH.

IMO there's nobody who can replace Buckethead in regards to both songwriting and playing.  Buckethead sets himself apart from other shredders and virtuosos because unlike most he is a great songwriter and is so versatile and melodic when he makes the decision to play that way.  But there are guitarists who could replace him just from the technical side.  We've heard rumors of John 5, Michael Angelo Batio, and others replacing Big B live.  They are all players who can match Buckethead in the technical skill category.  But who should it be, and who can do it?  I can't think of all that many players who could replace him technically, but I'm not really a virtuoso buff. 

The best scenario I dreamed up is that Axl has hired some unknown kid who can slay the axe like noneother, but that nobody has ever heard of.  I've met people who can slaughter the guitar but have never gotten any recognition, it would be quite cool if Axl just picked some kid up who was an unknown but can play like a beast  :beer:

The fact is Finck and Fortus can't play Bucket's parts.  They are both talented and skilled players and songwriters, but Buckethead's precision and technical abilities are simply on another playing field

or another one (the most likely for the momment): Fortus + Finck will switch off guitar parts (lead and rythm). 50/50. Good deal.
Besides, who knows if the BH parts haven't been changed since the demos? It may have happened lots of changements since the demos. You all are like "the band needs a shredder to play the BH solos", but maybe these solos are no longer on the final versions.... we don't know.
I guess that if they haven't hired a new guy yet, maybe it's because they don't really need one. I don't think it's vital for the band.

Well nesquick, I know you don't like Big B, but Dizzy and Tommy both concurred that Buckethead's parts would remain on the album.  His parts are not easy to rewrite, or delete.  He made major contributions to IRS, TWAT and Better at least. 

major contribution to IRS? he just plays 10 seconds on the song.

And yet the Axl Scream + Buckethead Solo are agreed upon as one of if not the best moment in the new GnR songs by most fans.  IMO, the "It's a crime, you know it's truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue" combined with Bucket solo is in fact the coolest musical part of all the new songs, besides of course Finck's "Better" solo and Buckethead's outro on "TWAT".  Axl's vocals on all the new songs are MASSIVE, but these are the best guitar parts IMO.  And after witnessing MSG 2002  and several BHead showslive, I'm convicned Buckethead is the man.  The NR outro with Bucket blows the doors off any of the Finck/Fortus '02 solos, and the Nigthtrain BH solo was one of the coolest solos I've ever heard by any man

10 seconds? How do you know that?

I'm pretty sure he's the one who plays the guitar parts on the song with Robin.

And even if Big B only played 10 seconds, it's still one of the best 10 second stretches in NuGnR's lineage.  That "It's a crime you know it's truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue" stretch is one of the cooles GnR sets that's occurred since 1993

well.... all those songs (except for better which bucket wrote), were written around 1998-2000. bucket wasn`t even in the band then and he just recorded some solos for them.  i really like his IRS solo, but the best "part" of that song is the whole melody and axl`s lyrics by the way.... of course he`s a loss in regards of writing ability though. it`s just, that robin finck is the most important part of this new gnr : ok:

there are many possibilities....

it`s possible that the pre-bucket versions of the songs will be released on CD, bucket`s work stays.. or some parts were rerecorded....  we`ll see.... i don`t give a shit what dizzy said one year ago : ok:

:hihi: : ok:


wait for the album dudes....or at least for the new york shows : ok:

8 days until this question is answered.  :peace:

Bitter enemies, Mr. I?

I never thought Bucket could have an enemy; he is such a gentle person.

Quote was from a tech of his.... it seemed he was very sure of the situation. The tech also said "the work buckethead did for that album was amazing, I wonder if that idiot Axl is going to use.." etc... he seemed to be very anti-axl and I went along with it just to see how much I could get out of him. I acted like I was tottaly on B.H's side.

I still laugh when I think of Axl's press release about Buckethead where he calls him inconsistent, erratic and the source of uncertainity and confusion. The hypocrisy is stunning. Uncertainity and confusion? I guess he means kind of like we're all feeling with no press release, release date, lineup, and threads wondering if the shows will be cancelled or not. Don't get me wrong - I'm still a fan - I've invested a lot of money on going to the NY shows next week - but if they get cancelled or end early, only one person is responsible - and I'm not referring to a random fan who takes a photo or wears the wrong t-shirt.

http://www.gawker.com/topic/worst_press_release_axl_rose_v_buckethead_014497.php

what if theres no 3rd guitarist?? ???

then i'm sure richard and robin can handle their duties alone :beer:

funny how opinions are diferent... I always found that PR one of the most sincere door to inside G&R...
back to 3rd guitar player I don't think Axl would bring anyone to destroy all the work Finck has done before Bucket and Finck&Fortus have done after Head. He7s a nice guy. Finck is the soul of those leaks we heard, Bucket was only player on top of it (not saying anything bad about his playing). All the emotions in TWAT were Axl's and Robin's... just my thoughts.

He really said that? I hope you are not bullshiting. Anyway if he said that, I hope all the Buckethead parts will be erased, from his first guitar note, to his last one. He does NOT deserve the glory to be on this record. Buckethead was an unknown guitar player before he joined GNR (and still is), I don't see why Axl and the band should make him the favour to appear on it. Anyway there's nothing amazing in his playing on the demos, he is boring and for me some of his guitar solos pretty ruin the demos.

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On topic:  I think Izzys gonna make a surprise appearance.  But thats just me.

It?s nice to see you?re still exploring the frontiers of ignorance and stupidity. People need it, from time to time, to see that some things in the world will never change.

Buckethead reached a status as a virtuoso, in times where the guitar no longer dominates the music (unlike the past decades), only very few people have matched. He?s a legendary guitar player who gets tons of respect of fans and critics in the instrumental genre and far beyond. The albums and the praises are all there. He achieved all of this by relying on nothing more then his own talents and creativity and that?s something that can?t be said for any other member of GNR in the past and certainly not the present. All people of which the succeses in their lives are mainly mentioned in the context of GNR. Buckethead's up there at the absolute top, with those who are expected to lift the guitar successfully into the 21st century and there?s not a thing you and that vacuum you optimistically refer to as your mind, could do about it.

You know nothing on guitar players or music in general and have proven this time and time again with every ignorance driven post you have planted on this forum. You claiming Buckethead being a nobody in the past, present or the future sounds just as convincing as hearing Stevie Wonder elaborate on Rembrant?s use of colors in the Nightwatch. Do us all, and especially yourself, a huge favor and start living by your own words:


You are making an absolute fool out of yourself with your obsessive compulsive approach in forcing every discussion into a Buckethead-bashing, only to flee from it (like a coward) when things start to look grim (using statements like the one above).

-PEACE-

Ps. To any mod tempted to remove this:

Ever heard of action and reaction? Some people around here aren?t living by their word as well ? and it's very disappointing to see how little problems they are experiencing doing so, where other people's posts are axed a whole lot quicker.

The first show is in a week and two days and we still don't know who is playing 3rd guitar? You'd think there would be a leak by now. I wish Scooter Libby or karl Rove worked for the GN'R camp.

well, maybe cause there isn't a third guitarist? Or maybe cause it's a surprise? Two options, choose one.

You claiming Buckethead was unknown before Guns N Roses is one of the stupidest statements I've ever seen on this board. The guy has always had a huge cult following, I'll grant you he wasn't as well known before.. but he definitely had a solid fan base. Secondly, yes the guy did say that, he also said that Axl would have Buckethead lay like 2-3 different solos for the same part of each song, and Bucket got tired of all the work/scheduling.. etc... let me make it clear that this was just BH's sound tech though.. and he sounded very anti-axl.. I just went along with him as that seemed the best way for me to get the most info I could. Lastly, you're entitled to your own opinion of how Bh's parts sound on the demos... I like them.