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Ok and where do we get this from??

http://cc.com/venue_detail.html?venue_id=2065 ;)

happy now ?

awesome. thanks dude.

With all the GN'R fans in the place that cant wait to see Axl jump on stage.. these guys must be nervous as hell!!!

Too bad Avenged Sevenfold couldn't stick around the area and open, they're much better, Bullet for my Valentine is way too metal and screamo.

They aren't the best, but I actually don't mind them.  They are like everything else that is out in that genre now.  I might actually like them by the time the show comes up. 

Uh, check out their new single/video!!? I actually think they have some chops!? ?: ok:

http://www.bulletformyvalentine1.com/website/html/media.php

I thought it might be Av7x at first too because they're playing the same venue a couple of days after GNR. Then the day after I had that thought, I heard a commerical that said they're actually playing Cobo Hall here in Detroit on May 12 so I was immediately proved wrong!

I am gonna get some tunes by Bullet though so I can be familar with some of their stuff before the show.

I know nothing about them.  If nothing else, we now know that there is in fact an opener, and that there's no way in hell GnR will take the stage before 11 pm...

Hahaha....thats funny that you say that. I've mentioned before that I have betting squares that my friends and I are using to make a pot depending on what time GNR comes on stage. As soon as I read this thread I thought "OH SHIT, I'd should've taken a later time!" then I got a call from someone who took 10:15 asking if he could change his time!

I saw them open for Rob Zombie :no: I will be arriving late if they are there.

Better IMO than  AV7Fold.  I think they have an annoying singer.

I've only heard some iTunes clips, but they sound more than just "a bit" screamo.  I dig the metal harmony guitars, though.

According to some theres a curfew which starts at 11. Someone here HAS to have been to a concert in NYC in the last few months..what times did those end?

I Fucking love screaming. ?I'm a screamer. ?

They must be canceling some dates on their own tour then...
http://www.bulletformyvalentine1.com/website/html/tours.php

Here's some insight into Axls thoughts on curfews. Detroit has an 10:55pm curfew for all concerts in Wayne & Oaklands counties. GNR didn't even hit the stage in 2002 until about 11:45 and they played until almost 1 (because Axl walked out on the show).

sweet shiet. even if i dont like the band too much

Thats really, really strange! They're listed about two different sites as playing two different places at once.

im not a big fan of the screaming metal, but they have to be better then mix master mike

HAHAHA......Jesus Christ.......even though I sat through that shit, I totally forgot about it!!!

what time do we think this opening act will begin playing?

hell id say probably around 8

I hope...give them half an hour..half an hour to change equipment..GNR starts at 9 and will have 2 hours if they stick to the curfew.

bullet for my valentine, only have 2 cds out, with a total of about 15 songs, i hope they dont play all of them,  a half hour for them is a good idea

This is not a good thing in any sense of the word.  They are going to be verbally raped by us. If they dont get forced off the stage I will be dissapointed by my fellow fans.

i dont mean to get off topic, but can someone explain to this curfew for concerts, i dont understand

the noise has to stop at the curfew time

Im pretty sure hammerstein has a midnight curfew, meaning shows cant go past 12 or the performer will get fined.

it now says 9 pm on the live nation page, that has to be for gnr    http://www.rondelsenerpresents.com/detail.html?eventID=219051

Umm, 9pm will probably be Bullet... There could be another opening act before Bullet (lots of bands have 2 opening bands, such as GNR in 2002). I doubt GNR will be on the stage at 9... 10:30 or 11 would be more like it.

Raven

If the curfew thing is going to be held up then i think that 10:30 - 11 start time will be out of the question with having an opener and all.  On a side note i wish it would have been Avenge Sevenfold as the opener, there the best new band out right now.

curfews dont really happen in NY. I think COB finished at 12:30 at Irving this year.

They don't stand a chance. As soon as they hit the stage, the GUNS N' ROSES..GUNS N' ROSES chant will begin!

ok take this for what you will.  I recently attended the Dream Theater 20th Anniversary show, which was being taped for a DVD.  Building up to the event, everyone was talking about the 11 pm curfew in NYC and whether or not they would break curfew.  Well, they came on exactly at 8 (rare) and played til 11:01.  They seemed to cut short a number of jams and while the show was very good, the set was much shorter than the "very special" billing would have left you to believe.  Apparently its not the venues' choice but a union regulation.  I've heard that you can be fined from 1,000 to 10,000 per minute over 11.  Pearl Jam also had issues with this curfew at MSG in 2003, playing well past 11, but for some reason the fine was actually dropped.  best case scenario, BFMV comes on close to 730 and plays til 815 ish, GNR hits stage between 9-915.  Not sayin most likely, just best case.

Bullet won't hit the stage until AT LEAST 8. The doors are opening at 7:30, you can't expect the opening band to be playing as soon as the doors open. Usually the opening band plays 45 min- 1 hr. So now you figure GNR hits the stage at 9. WRONG! They still need to get their equipment set up, so the earliest GNR could hit the stage would be 9:30. I still think it'll be closer to 11 though.

Raven

Back in 91 GNR were fined all 3 nights, and axl openly said he didnt givve a shit , he didnt care about paying the fines.

ON topic, Ive heard a few Bullet for my Valentine. They are ok. I woulda prefered A7X myself though.

Personally i hope they come on whenever they want and play as long as they want -- obviously I wouldnt want to see a truncated show or anything-- hell, trains run til 140 and start up around 5-- no biggie, chill out in the city a bit. 

huh?

Trains run all night long.

After about 2 am they run every hour or something. Its not long.

Good choice.  Bullet For My Valentine's a good metal band that hopefully will put on a good show and get the crowd excited for GnR

Trains to NJ, specifically trenton or hamilton- sorry

WTF ???????????

I'M PISSED !!!!!!!!!!

WAS MIXMASTER MIKE BUSY WITH A BARMITZVAH ???????

hahahahaha  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

are they doing all four shows?  :( Ill stay in mustangs for a few more I think!

I was at that show too!!! GOD, Bullet for My Valentine SUCK!!!! They are so the WRONG band to open up for Guns and Roses...no doubt in my mind they will get booed off the stage.

These guys are fucking hard emo music...they won't last past 3 songs, I'm calling it now

holly fuck they suck. I would rather see alvin and the chipmunks oopen then these guys.

With an opening band, its going to be a long night. Might want to start planning where we will all go for breakfast after the show. ;)

More corporate radio bull$hit.  These punks will be ignored or booed.

This just gives me some extra time to enjoy happy hour before making my way  to the venue.  No interest in watching these dudes play.

I don't really want to see them either.

They're not too bad. 

They've got a mix of screaming and actual singing.  Their songs are somewhat catchy, and they're nice background music while getting settled in, etc.

Would I buy tickets to see 'em? Fuck no.  But it could be worse...hell, it was back in '02.

I wonder who picked these kids?  All of those little Emo bastards are annoying.  I hope it wasn't Axl who picked them.

damn, i feel like i'm the only one who really diggs this band  :hihi:

I was listening to their EP for weeks, and got the album too, i know the ep by heart, haven't listened to the full cd that much really but it's cool!

and i would definatly buy tickets for them!

And yeah, i like a7x too  ;D

So, IMO Axl has good taste, it's the new generation coming up! you can call it emo, but i'm not emo and i don't fucking cut myself but i like the music!


much better then the techno and RAP CRAP that's dominating our MTV, TMF and JIMTV!!!!

My little brother does that cutting bullshit. 

BFV were supposed to open for rob zombie a in la a week or 2 ago.  They didnt for some reason.

They were kicked off the tour.  Someone in the band kept posting rants about Zombie (they were never allowed a dressing room, Zombies a prick, etc) on their website.  It got posted on Blabbermouth and Zombie kicked there asses off.

Rants?  Sounds like this band and Axl might be a perfect fit.   :hihi: ;D (note: I'm joking....)

these guys really suck balls. i have no idea why they are opening here. they are already scheduled to play other gigs on the SAME dates as the gnr gigs!!! They are gonna get booed off and fast...

I was kinda hoping that there wouldnt be an opener but these guys arent too bad, guessing Axl must dig them or they wouldnt be opening all these shows for them or not?

I watched a video on their site and they suck elephant dick!!! On the ohter hand I'd blow someone if Juliette and the Licks opened :drool:

see above comment re: the band... reason i can see they are on the bill is that they are on sanctuary...

Bullet for My Valentine isn't rock, they're emo/hardcore bullshit. This is such a bad choice for an opener. Like I said before, they won't last 3 songs in...and whomever else said the Guns and Roses chant will start...right on brother.

As for times? Doors at 7:30, I say Bullet will play (if they last) from 9-9:30, and you'll see Axl take the stage at 10-10:30.

I never heard of a curfew in NYC...Prodigy played the Nokia until 12:30am when I went to see them

http://www.bulletformyvalentine1.com/ look pretty cool. One thing is for sure, their web space pisses over the GnR site from a great height  ;D

From reading what I can find on the subject (which is all anecdotal...from a Prince concert report, Bob Dylan Concert report, and a couple others), I'd say it sounds like the "curfew", if there is one, is 12:30 (including encores).  That seems to be the general "pull the plug" time that's mentioned.

Regarding Bullet for my Valentine, I actually think they are OK!!  Some of you, it seems, are never pleased.  I definitely think that young metal bands need to be given a chance!  The guy's are writing, and playing their own songs--as opposed to most of the current bands who cannot write or perform!  Let's give bands, who are trying something new, a chance!  Give them a few more listens--I think they are alright!!

You're on a GNR board. ::)? Of course alot of people on this board aren't going to like an Emo band.? It is a vastly differnet sound.? I have a huge passion for music from the blues to some European Metal and Goth, but I don't like Emo like others here.? And I think we are in the majority.

What do these guys compare to....soundwise i mean :-[

They can produce some great riffs.. Polished old school metal sound at some aspects.

But Emo.. and emo blows so the GnR crowd won't take long to start the GnR Chants.

i'd say that at least its decent music to mosh to... but how many of us will actually mosh even if we usually like to? (i usually love to mosh).. im pretty sure we'd wanna save our energy for singing with and screaming our heads off at gnr  :hihi:

how bout when bullet's about to go on, all us board members all at once scream HEY FUCKERS, SUCK ON GUNS N FUCKIN ROSES!! and keep chanting guns n roses til they get disheartened enough to go backstage and cut themselves?  :rofl:

my thoughts exactly, except for the screaming. ?It'll be just 30 minutes of music people, don't let it ruin your whole night. ?

Are there better picks out there? ?Yes (Buckcherry, Silvertide, A7), Are there worst picks out there? ?Yes (MMM, and heaven forbid Hoobastank). ?

well I'm betting there will be seats on the floor so you may not get to mosh :-\

does anyone know if the hammerstein serves booze??

I would think so. Most small venues around here do.

They do.

There's wet bars on the floor, and, apparently, on each of the mezzs (it used to be you had to truck down to the floor to get drinks...no more). ?In addition, I've been told there are actually waitresses, now, in the balconies, for some (most?) shows serving drinks...not sure how common THAT is.

Not sure exactly what they serve. ?I'm a beer guy, myself, with an occasional Jack and Coke bent, and I can tell you that, from my memory, both were available, if a bit pricey (and no, I don't remember, exactly what the prices were).

Beer and all your favorite hard booze will be in the house. But you only need a Mr. Jack Daniels.

They don't suck THAT bad......

And they sure are better then CKY and a fuckin' DJ......

i think velvet revolver should open for GNR.

I think the devil will be wanting long johns for that day....

:)

Bullet For My Valentine is not emo, they're metal.  Emo is crap bands like My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy.  BFMV is a metal band that's more influenced by Iron Maiden than they are by any punk bands.  So, if you dislike BFMV please continue voicing your displeasure, just don't label them emo because they aren't  : ok:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalcore

I'd say that's a good description, providing you need to label them.

Who cares who opens?

I dont know though, dont boo em off stage... just kick back, listen, and enjoy. Your seeing Guns N' Roses right after for gods sake!

That's the truth.  Bullet For My Valentine's quite an upgrade from Mixmaster Mike and CKY

does anyone actually WATCH opening acts?  i sure dont.  i'll be at mustang harry's drinking some man pops during Bullet For My Valentine's performance...

sometimes these opening bands can surprise. GNR at MSG in '91, the opening act was a semi-new upstart band most, at that time, hadn't heard of.

that band was soundgarden and they rocked. : ok:

Just downloaded The Poison (album) by Bullet For My Valentine to see what they sound like. Hmmm...

Vocals: There's a hint of Green Day about them
Drums: Fast, GoooD!
Guitars: Seem to blend into the overal sound too much.

Overal: Not bad  :beer:
Overal: They sound quite manic, almost in a Slipknot way, although i don't like Slipknot as the vocals don't work for me and the boiler suits are just too much of a gimmick.

cool more drinking time :beer:

FYI for those who aren't from NYC - there are no chairs on the floor at Hammerstein for concerts.  They have a full bar; drinks are somewhat expensive compared to outside of NYC.  Maybe $8 for a Jack & Coke in a small plastic cup, probably $5 for a can of beer.  That's pretty much average for all these types of concert venues in the city. 

As far as timing - if doors are at 7:30, I would expect to see the openers at maybe 8:30, with GNR set to take the stage at 10.    I don't plan to walk in before 8:30 - at the earliest.  Another side note - Hammerstein doesn't allow re-entry AT ALL - that means no walking outside to smoke, & you can't smoke inside (theoretically, of course). 

Thank God I quit smoking

Who cares. No one will give a shit. I could sit through a 9 hour Yani concert if I knew the corn-rowed one "with a whole bunch of new songs" was following afterwards. :drool:

It's music. It will be loud. There will be alcohol. Good to go. : ok:

All 3 Stones shows at MSG on the recent tour ended just before 12, so I guess the curfew there is midnight. I think it varies from venue to venue - clubs and bars can have music much later into the night. I also heard a couple of years ago, though not from anyone official, that the fine is $10k/minute - this was when The Stones played Roseland in 2002.

It says on the ticketmaster site that BFV are going on at 9pm so I am thinking 11pm for GNR...10PM would be sweet!!!!!!  But I am gonna bet closer to 11p

Where does it say 9? Am I missing something? I only see 7:30pm. I'm not being a smartass, I just really don't see it. Can you post a link?

It also says on Ticketmaster that Bullet for My Valentine are playing the Chicago House of Blues on May 14th at 7 PM central. So unless they can teleport  to NYC after their set ends at 8 Eastern time I would take anything Ticketmaster says with a grain of salt.

Bullet for my Valentine, supporting Guns N' Roses, are fucking brilliant.  They have some awesome guitars... the riffs are ALL brilliant... they have a very talented singer... the whole band just are so fucking tight.  They're on tour with GnR for a reason.  Guns N' Roses hasn't ever just whacked some shitty band on for the sake of it... I bet you Axl Rose is a fan.

Anyway... got my Download tickets! w00t!

Sure? http://cc.com/detail.html?eventID=219287

Ahh. I went through Ticketmaster, all they have listed is 7:30pm for doors. I see what you mean on livenations site though. Hmmm, I'm definately going to lose the betting pool now I guess!

Exactly my thought process.....

Though I would NOT sit through a 9 hour Yani concert, no matter who was going on afterwards.

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Roseland has a "hard" venue curfew.  They'll fine you and, at some point, pull the plug.  But THAT curfew is one the venue imposes.  That I know for sure.

We all know that once's Axl's on stage he's king. He still has the 'power' to do whatever he pleases. No worry about curfews. You'll all be fine in NYC! Can't wait to read your reviews / blogs!

I just know I don't want to be at the show where the venue cuts stage power....... I've had a hard enough time getting my wife on board with me doing all this time in NYC, I don't want to hear her reaction when she sees the riot on the news.

GNR played at MSG in '02 without any curfew problems. I wouldn't worry about this...

What time did the yfinish at MSG in 2002?  Didn't they actually go on stage on time?

This is a venue specific curfue, and if the website is correct they won't be hitting the stage until somewhere near 11:00 PM. If what we hear is true about a 12:30 venue curfue then there could be a problem. When have GnR ever played a 90 minute show, and how many times have they ever gone on stage at the advertised time?

I just went to their website and checked these assclowns out......all I can say is good luck boys, the GNR crowd for these specific shows will be merciless.  Other then the Sanctuary connection, who in their right fucking mind thought this would be a good idea?  Just play house music for 4 hours ala the Las Vegas shows.  These guys suck, and it could get real ugly after 2 or 3 songs.  CKY made more sense, and that is a fucking stretch......................

i would think this all would be planned out in advance. (ie- in the contract gnr signs with the venue it would make reference of any curfew). i really wouldn't bother worrying about this.

ps- i also downloaded some bullet songs to check em out... the guitar work and drumming isn't bad. vocals are ok. i'm scared to go to their website cuz i imagine they look like typical annoying generic rockers...

yes, they actually went on at like nine sharp, curfew wasn't an issue. that said, during the UYI tour at MSG, they played both nights I went 'til like 2am...

MTV posted news about Bullet for Valentine opening at the Hammerstein shows.  It mentions GnR, followed by "Axl and his band will perform..."  Seems a bit snarky, if you ask me.

Also, further down the page it mentions Pink covering "Welcome to the Jungle."  Ugh.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1530056/20060503/nirvana.jhtml?headlines=true

Jesus, & I bitched about Sheryl Crow.  Pink?  Really?   :P

Pink indeed.  I started reading, and it has something to do with a film about a tour of hers, and that she covered WTTJ as part of the set.  Whether or not she's actually recording it, I can't say, as my eyes were bleeding by that point.

i really hope i never hear pink's wttj, sheryl crow's scom was horrible.  even when cover bands play gnr songs they suck.

Hear, hear. 

Actually, scratch that.  *Don't* hear.  Ever.

Now that I will have to disagree with - on one of my trips out to LA last year, I found a GNR cover band I really, really like - Hollywood Roses.  They put on one hell of a show, & they sound damn good.   : ok:

PS - they're on MySpace, if anyone is interested!

noooo kill pink and those valentine for bullets? ( what a name ha! ) these bands today are so annoying but well, it's fashion and the kids love them!. in order to motivate kids to learn i have to teach songs according to their tastes  so, I've had to stand for 1 hour to The Rasmus and James Blunt with that song...you're beautiful ..you're beautiful ....... :crying:  :hihi:. hell, i wish i could teach....made in hell from Judas  :rofl:

I actually think Bullet For My Valentine is a decent band, much better band than most other new bands that are out there today.

Plus I would much rather listen to these guys open than having to listen to CKY and Mix Master Mike again  ::)


Although, what should be done is scrap the whole opening band thing and just have the opening boob fest with some good rick music playing over the speakers  :beer:

I'd really love if there is no opening band at all.  Almost anyone is going to suck and everyone is going to be very impatiently waiting to see if/when GNR hit the stage.  Just let us stand there in peace at least and not subject us to noise.  Maybe Axl could put together some of his favorite songs to play over the PA during the wait.

CKY and Mix Master Mike (although I like some Beastie Boys stuff) were painful.

Not everyone would be painful to watch. I wish Bullets and Octane were opening, they kick hard.

I'd just like to know if Axl is a fan of Bullet for My Valentine and that's why they're opening, or is it just another record company thing.

has anyone noticed that if you check their official website that the NYC shows are NOT listed on their tour page. And also that they have other dates set for that weekend in other cities, not even in New York State even until Buffalo in the middle of the week

http://www.bulletformyvalentine1.com/website/html/tours.php


so is it known actually that BFV will be opening for GNR for all the GNR shows, if at all?

Both ticketmaster and livenation have it listed. I'm sure they're opening.

Ticketmaster also updated the Chicago show on the 14th....cancelled and moved to august I believe.

http://images.adrenalintrip.net/uploads/809395594-0.jpg

"i AM a tough emo guy! I AM I AM I AM!!!! I'm sure i'll win over the gnr fans..just look at my 'angry' face! "


god help us.

they're opening up for gnr several places in europe too. i'll give them a chance.

I dont know anything about these guys, but I sure as hell feel sorry for them. If they dont impress by the second night, the word will be out on the web, and the crowds at the last two shows will probably run them off the stage. I like hearing new music, so I hope they at least put on a good showing for themelves.

They'll probably be run off the stage on the first night.  Noone is interested in seeing them and I doubt more than a select few will attempt to take them seriously.

Bullet should pack it up today, Sunday, and not even bother showing on Friday. They suck, I gave them a chance when they opened for Rob Zombie, and they're totally unimpressive. new GNR fans like myself won't stand for them, and old school GNR fans certainly will have no tolerance for these emo fruits

I'll give them a chance. After all no matter how bad they might suck, they are better than what I could do. If they dont cut it though I'll spend the rest of their set checking out the cast of characters in the crowd.

Agreed!  I don't want to waste my eardrums on them.  I'll stuff my ears with cotton until GNR takes the stage.

It its a band thats sucks even more then vr does :nervous: :nervous:
why do they have to open :crying: :crying: i wish guns would just start to play at 7:30-2am

BFMV is annoying...AFI has a new album coming out, Axl should have got them, they rock. Or he could fly over Pete Doherty and Babyshambles and make it the most dangerous show ever.

There are a ton of bands worthy of opening for GNR... so we're stuck with one that's subpar

bullet for my valentine's music definetly doesnt impress me.  it would be cool to have weezer or a7f, but the good news is guns n roses is playing after

Yeah, it's one of the few things we have going for us!  I would have liked Silvertide, but then again, most GNR fans want no opener at all.

Silvertide opened for VR when I saw them but I missed Silvertide cause I was at the VR meet and greet. I heard they're great live though.

I saw them with Van Halen before they released the first album Show&Tell - They were awesome, but I wasn't interested in them at the time because I just wanted to see Van Halen.  Since then, I've really grown to love them.  They've been compared to GNR on several levels, moreso from the Appetite era, but I think they can definitely hold their own and will make a good mark in the future if they can penetrate through all of the overproduced shit music of today's "rock n roll" spectrum.

right....you're not paying for the opening act..theyre just a diversion for while you swig booze : ok:

BTW ever been at a show where the crowd's run a band off stage? it's quite possibly the funnest thing ever ;D

GNR 2002.....Palace of Auburn Hills...........CKY got run off stage after they got in a shouting match with the people in the first row............even Mix Master Mike didn't get booed off stage!

i thought cky were crap at madison square garden when i saw them but i would rather watch them than bullet for my valentine.

http://www.myspace.com/councilband

stop that link posting dude!!

 :o SILVERTIDE opened for VR?! THAT'S AWESOME!!! I wish I was at that show, what state was that in and when? When I saw Velvet Revolver for the first time was before the album came out in NYC at Roseland Ballroom where the Living Things opened and got booed off stage.

I saw them a 2nd time at Jones Beach where Hoobastank opened and they blew chunks too

And then I saw them a 3rd time at Starland for New Years Eve 06' where some strippers opened up...and they sucked as well...not literally though

But I saw Silvertide open up for Motley Crue at Jones Beach and I had no clue who they were and they blew me away. They have such a good 80's hard rock sound to them.

Well bullet are getting a real gift coz they will never play to a bigger crowd again because thay have the little problem of being......a shit band!!!! >:(

I saw VR here at the State Theatre in Detroit. Silvertide was opening but my Sony rep came through and I got to meet Slash, Dave, Duff & Matt before the show so I missed Silvertide completely. The guys were SUPER nice so it made it for it and I have an autographed poster to show for it so I guess I'll catch Silvertide some other time!

That's awesome dude. I have a sony rep as well and I've interviewed bands like mudvayne, flyleaf, and anti-flag, but I'd trade that all in the meet the guys from VR. That's so cool.

Aw. I want a Sony rep.  :(

Honestly they were some of the most down to Earth, coolest dudes you could imagine. I was shocked. My brother and I actually mentioned to Duff that we'd read he'd finished up school and so on and he seemed really flattered that we knew that and seemed really proud of it.

Bullet for My Valentine's guitar work is sick!  The vocals are so generic though.  Only their guitar work sets them apart.  Still better than CKY and Mixmaster Mike though.  And BFMV are better than Avenged Sevenfold.