Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I don't know if its just me, but I'm kinda bored of the leaks already - maybe its b/c I completely played them out?  Not entirely sure, but I don't find myself NEEDING to hear them like I was a few weeks ago.  I think it has to do with the fact that 2 of the 4 are kinda slower songs (TWAT, CITR) and IRS and Better have some, what I would call, "slow" parts to them.  Better TOTALLY drags on .30-1 minute too long for my tastes, very weak outro.

Anyone else feel like we need a bonafide rocker or two to balance out the tracks we've heard so far?

No i still listen to b etter and CITR atleast 2 times a day

i listen to better like 5 times a day (since it leaked). and yea i got tired of them? :-*.

I agree... lol.. i hope they get spread out between 3 albums ..  :confused:... unless they are re mastered.. then thats ok.. good songs.. but realistically they are no SCOM or Estranged type songs..

There good dont get me wrong.. but i mean AFD and UYI shit has been on my playlist for years.. and never get old...

Same here. I also listen to The Blues alot. To me, TWAT is very forgettable. I never listen to it anymore. IRS is boring. Love the solo though. BH really plays off Axl's insane scream.

Yeah that solo is unreall.. love it.. now that is something i would have loved to hear more of.. too bad BH is gone... he was opposite of Slash.. but in a good way.. very talented.. brought a new flavour to the band....

I like TWAT a lot but it needs a little work. The lyrics are great and the guitar work is amazing. I just think Axl should have added another verse near the end of the song.

I think it needs alot of work. Yeah, lyrics are good, but the music sounds just a little too much like Queensryche. I like Queensryche, but TWAT sounds like something that was left off the Empire album.

It will sound a lot different when all the synth and orchestration is added.

Yeah, even more like Queensryche. :hihi: The song definitely has potential, but it did not live up to my expectations. It was one of the songs that had always been hyped, and I always was intrigued by it. Same with CITR, and that song did not disappoint.

Wasnt it always said that TWAT was about axls childhood abuse? I? thought Axl or some article made that claim. But listening to the songs and lyrics dont make it seem that is what its about or was that a different song?

not really.  I stopped listening to the couple songs that I did hear deliberately so when I got the album it would be fresh for me.

Great point Dave. :beer: You are correct. For years we heard about it being about his experiences with child abuse. I agree, the lyrics are clearly not dealing with child abuse. If it is about child abuse, it is some warped view of it.

What is a "novely"?   :P

Where did that rumor come from? And is TWAT about Steph?

Its like a film on television ....

He meant novelty and it means new and fresh.

I dont really think it was a rumour. Mentioned in various magazine articles over the years, and I think Axl has mentioned it himself in the past, but I'm not sure. Maybe the original lyrics did deal with child abuse, but he changed them.

I still love I.R.S. and Better. They haven't gotten old yet! -- My two Favorites.

TWAT and Catcher in the Rye are also still fresh.

I have definitely played out The Blues and Madagascar, but I still like hearing them occasionally.

 :-\

NO WAY..just listened to Better IRS TWAT and CITR..LOL so no not quite yet.. : ok:

Yes, it has worn off........

I wait now for the real deal.

After listening to these songs it seems pretty apparent that they were recorded at different times....with different directions. I would not be too suprised that they may sound quite even different again when the album comes out. Twat in particular seems to have a 'TSI' sound too it. The drum loop/sound effects seem new but the rest sounds very mid nineties too me. I wonder if this may have some of the old band playing on it. It is also the song with back up singing on it....we really don't know what has been previously recorded and who is playing when. Twat is the oldest demo available.

I wake up every day to twat in my pc ( I use my computer as an alarm clock)  and I have all the songs on my ipod and listen to them regularly, they all rock  ;D


ps. this thread is for haters n naysayers

Kinda sorta for most of the tunes - But CITR just keeps getting better with each listen for me. That song is sheer perfection, and quite possibly my favorite lyric job Axl's ever done.

same here.... plus the novelty of AFD and UYI1 &2 still hasnt worn off for me.

I still play my home made CD in my car. The track 'Better' is still the best thing to have come out of the new GnR. 'There was a Time' is in 2nd place with the 'Blues' taking up 3rd position. IRS is 4th and Madagascar as become less interesting. 'Catcher in the Rye' i'm not liking this song much. The song  'Chinese Democracy' sounds terrible compared with all these other tracks, and maybe this is why CD was never released back in when ever  ;)

I haven't listen'd to them in weeks and didn't bother with them anymore, still listening to the good old classic stuff though  :hihi:

I still listen to Better on a daily basis. The chorus of TWAT still annoyes me, can't exactly describe why, the rest of the song is brilliant. (just an opinion). The vocals of IRS rock, listen to that one daily too. Catcher sometimes, good track, awesome breakdown with synths in it. Can't wait to hear Democracy in it's full glory, should be one hell of a ride. Can't wait to see them over in Holland too, look at my tix every day wondering if they'l show up.? :)

and before I forget, my mom likes Better too.  :hihi:

I listen to them everyday (except TWAT) and I like em.

The song thats grown on me most? CITR - a gem

the magic is still there!

especally concerning BETTER and CHATCHER;
i mean it's unbeleivable that after listening to 2 brilliant songs in poor file quality for weeks and weeks (al over again) you can still put them on and get goose pimples...

it?s the same with madagascar and the blues; but here its "years" instead of "weeks".
so, i'm still excited...

I still listen Chinese Democracy and Madagascar. the new demos, well, worn off...  :-\

yeah, chines democracy is a pretty cool song (especally the aggro-refrain with that typicall old school axl); cd represents the punk vibe of gnr; almost same league as "it's so easy"; the studio version will be really ass kicking...

Hmmm, seems to be most are still digging the new tunes.  Don't get me wrong, I still think they are AWESOME songs, but I just haven't found myself going directly to the songs on my Ipod, if they come up, awesome, but I don't voluntary play them the way I do some other tunes.  I think I'm just a little disenchanted.  Call me crazy, but I thought we were close to an album release or some kind of big news/press release.  And after all the excitement with the leaks and the Axl/Weiland fued, I was expecting more.  Why that effects my desire to hear the new songs I'm not sure.  Maybe its not even a factor.  I think its more that I have just been wanting to rock out/kick ass lately with my music and I just don't find that in the new tunes too much. 

I still love the songs.. Even more now than before. I will newer get tired of them and thats a fact  :peace:

-DEA-

I still play Better and TWAT, the others two more rarely. I never really play Madagascar and the Blues anymore.

Edit: forgot to mention that I use Better as the ringtone on my cell :D

I rarely listen to the leaks anymore... The novelty is definetly over for me... Maybe because there was nothing ever mentioned about cd actually coming out....

They are all fairly poor - not gonna be first in line for an album of their 'quality'

I for one myself listen eveyday, and like when AFD came out I was hooked.

THat  being said, I also know that thier is atour coming up, and what we got are unfinished , product. BUT to say that Im disenchanted by any means is bullshit, IM NOT, Im more pumped. My faith hasnt feigned at all.

I love how people say they dont like the new songs yet they still come in on this board. ?::) Seems to me you are wasting your own god damn time. What do you come here for. This place and others are for talking about and waiting for Guns N' Roses' new album and tours to come. I honestly dont get why you people are here. All I hear is how you dont like the new songs, you dont like how Axl treats his fans, this and that and all this other bullshit. No ones forcing you to be here, just fucking leave. There are many Velvet Revolver boards and and even sub-boards where you can go and talk about the old band all you want. Wake up, the old band is over and wont be back in a long time, if even at all. Just get over yourselves.? With that said, I love all the new stuff, cant stop listening to it. I'm more pumped than ever for this record. Its everything I have been waiting for. Its the best music I've heard since maybe the Illusions.

i don't hate the new songs but i haven't listened to them in a while.... :peace:

I am not the type to listen to the same shit forever and ever...I need a break :hihi:

I listen to There Was A Time and Catcher in the Rye pretty much everytime I put my headphones on, but I don't really go out of my way to listen to Better or IRS. Still good songs, though. ?:peace:

Just in case you don't know, there are A LOT more GNR songs then just the leaks.  IF you don't like the new stuff, you still might want to come here to talk about the old ones.....to each their own dude.

That being said, I like the new songs, but I find myself wanting to listen to the old stuff more - does that make me "less of a fan"?  please.

I was bored with TWAT and IRS from the get-go.  But Better and Catcher In The Rye are still in my CD player.  I never get tired of great music, and IMO that's exactly what those two songs are.

hanna don't let some of these people get you down, they have no idea what they are talking about, like you are less of a fan for not being in love with each leak like the week they came out.. Leaks are different then normal albums, when we get a leak we listen to one song a billion times over, and so on when the next one finally hits, so then you have two songs you listen to for days upon days, and it's not even because it's so good it's because it's new music you have been waiting for from your favorite lead singer.. So then weeks become months and you see nothing come out of it (cd) and you are burnt on the tunes already.... So we had irs twat citr better, was everyone here supposed to listen to those 4 tracks forever?? Shit you take every gnr song ever done and see if there aren't 4 you never listen to anymore, that must make you less the a fan... What if these 4 new tracks weren't all new favs of yours were you supposed to just keep listening each day and acting the same as you did the first time you hear them??

You basically get one song a year but god forbid you get tired of these tracks that you listen to 6,000,000 times each... :hihi: Some act like they never heard music before....

If you are still listening great if not what the fuck is it anyone elses concern..

I still listen to the leaks on a daily basis. They're all great, except IRS.

i thinkl i am in the minority when i say that i think that twat is a great song, the verse is amazing the chorus is quite good but building up to the outro i think it is great. everyone raves about citr and i like it too, but no one seems to mention the fact that it is a bit disjointed in areas, although still a great tune.

i think the actual mixes of these songswill be absolutely killer. people think that better and irs are "better" because they are better quality leaks than the rest (or is that just me??), i think the quality of CITR is a bit crap, but the song shines through.

whenever the "finished" version of TWAT appears with the orchestratioj kicking in, i think folks may change their mind...

dave

I hear ya bud, loud and clear.  None of these dudes bother me, I just think its soooo funny how some of them are so adamant that these new songs are better then ANYTHING on AFD! hahah.  Really funny.

Honestly, I have been listening to Avenged Sevenfold non stop for a month - I hope the new GNR kicks half as much ass.  They're going to be playing at Hammerstein in May.....I kinda want to go, but I doubt my poon friends or my girlfriend will be interested in going.

this dude likes avenged sevenfold more than the new songs  :hihi:

I'll admit, I'm listening to the tracks less...but not because the 'novelty' wore off- I wanted to take a break from them before i start listening to nothing but guns a week or so before i go to dublin :beer:

but hey man, if they just aren't grabbing your attention, cool. everyone's taste is different. only demos anyways.

shock - someone likes something else besides GNR!??!?!  WOW! haha  :hihi:

Not even that I like AX7 more, I've just been in the mood for faster, harder songs.  The leaks are just kinda slower then what I've been in the mood for lately.  I'd much rather play jungle or PC then any of the new songs.

i still listen to them everyday at least once. I love the new songs and i like them much better then the old songs.

Madagascar, The Blues, and TWAT I could listen to forever.

The rest have suffered from me playing them too much in such a small time period.

Once I get the album though they will be like new songs again, so I'm not worried.

TWAT and IRS are amazing.  Twat is definately in my top 10 from GnR.  I don't know why people don't like IRS, it is the vintage GnR sound.  I listen to them daily also.  Novelty has not worn off for me at all.

Did I say any of these songs were better than any of the old Guns songs. Fuck no, so dont put fuckin words in my mouth. All I said was that this is the GN'R board, where we talk about the new band. There is a place on this board to go and talk about the old band, go and find it. You guys are acting like these songs are pieces of shit. They are definetly the best songs I've heard since the Illusions. I still listen to the old GN'R music more than the new stuff. But the thing is, I can make them co-exist. I just dont automatically say that the new songs aren't that good because you know, my precious Slash isnt playing on them. You guys are pathetic, Slash hasnt been in the band since 1996, I think its time to move on. And believe me, the leaks arent the only thing I have been listening to. I listen to all kinds of music, I was just listening to Dr. Dre not even an hour ago. So dont fuckin assume things about people you dont even know.

I haven't gone nuts listening to them.. I didn't put them on my ipod and I didn't put them on any burnt cd's, I only have them here at work where I listen to them through headphones on my down time.

Axl probably changed the lyrics because the whole abuse story was a fabrication.

I used to listen to each of the songs at least twice a day.  I've refrained lately though and actually haven't cued them up for about a week now.  Not because I'm sick of them though.  I have Sirius radio and there's nonstop commercial free music on 24/7, not to mention Howard Stern.  If I had to listen to regular radio though I'm sure I'd still be pumping the leaked tracks nonstop.  I'd like to keep them somewhat fresh though in case the album ever comes out.

i hardly listen to them....still waiting for the big guns

What the fuck are you talking about dude?  I think you've been listening to "out ta get me" a little bit too much.  Douche.

What do you mean dude? Well, if you read your post, then read my response to it, its not that hard to understand. Maybe you should go back to 4th grade so you can learn how to read again.

Dude you are a f'ing clown.  When did I say i didn't like the new songs?  When did I say I want the old band back?  When did I say I liked Velvet Revolver?  When did I say I feel "mistreated" as a fan?  Did I even mention I wanted a reunion?  oh wait, lemme guess...you're just some attention seeking dipshit who thought he could stir up some trouble by talking all tough behind your keyboard.  You are telling me to re-read my post??? DId you even read mine to begin with?  hahaha.  The best part is you say not to put words in YOUR mouth!??!?  Your original response has NOTHING to do with what I was even talking about - the point was I'm just a little bored of the new songs.  Where you got all your nonsense from I can only guess.  Did I even address you specifically??  paranoid loser.  :rofl:

Did I even address you specifically in my first post. I was talking about people in general who say they dont even think the new songs are that good, that they arent impressed, or they are disappointed with them and how they dont measure up to the old songs. So your the one who started it. I wasnt even talking about you, until you called me out. Then I was just restating what I said in the first place about the people who always complain. Then you and whoever else that other guy is started making it all about you two. Dude, just jab it cause I'm sick of talking to you.

Funny coment about out ta get me"  hehehehe .

wicked funny!!!!  ::)

here's a big problem in general with the new gnr, nothing to do with their abilities or anything like that, it's their inactivity and no album releases... usually when you are into a band in the present they are out and about and you get caught up in the excitment of the times..? The old gnr wouldn't have been as fun or massive if they weren't around during their music... These songs are years old and we have boots years old but no band out there , that is the problem and another reason to lose interest at certain times..

to many of you new gnr is some big band that has been around for years making good music, to the rest of the world it's a band that hasn't even started yet.

It's also rather tiresome when various friends or co-workers go on about how their favorite band just released a new album and it's simply amazing, or how they just got bloody amazing concert tickets for there favorite band....

Meanwhile for us Gn'R fans it's like "score! Axl went to a bar on the weekend" :hihi:

But anywho, Pearl Jam is releasing their long-awaited album on my birthday this year...maybe Axl will do the same? :)

I dunno but your posts are completely played out (737 in like 2 months?  come on)

I can agree with that. Thats where most of the frustration comes from with the fans. If we were informed on things, then we would be at each other's throats all the time. Sorry to the people that I have been fighting with, but I was in a bad mood today and with the frustration with GN'R it just put me over the edge. It was an off day. I dont know, I just have to stick up for Axl, thats one of my things.

Better still wows me every time, but I am definately ready for more. I think the leaks kinda gave me something to hold me over and now I can wait until the tour and album.

i really can't get bored of any of them. I mean of course when i first got them i played them non-stop and now i play them less frequently, but boy when i do, i still can't help but smile and think how much this album is gonna kick ass.....

when i listen to them i still find it hard to comprehend that i am actually listening to a new song sung by AXL ROSE!!! and that these are from the recording sessions for CHINESE DEMOCRACY.

it still blows my mind when i think of that, and yes the songs themselves still blow my mind.  : ok:

mike lets say AFD didnt exust but lets say the Illusions were GNRS first album....and now its the same situation but  WTTJ SCOM and PC were leaked ur telling me u wouldnt be that much into those songs because the band was inactive?

The novelty wore off a bit for me after having listened to them constantly for about a week.  A couple of weeks of not hearing the songs at all cured that.

They are great songs, but I find that anything I listen to too often will lose some of it's hold over me.  That's only normal.

I know when the novelty wears off a bit we all want more new songs, but it's been a pretty damn good year getting four new Guns songs, and they range from great to brilliant.  This is the most we've gotten at any one time since...1991!

Nope... I give the new songs a whirl everyday, more than once.  It seems to me that I find a new part here or there, and finding those new parts really adds to the experience of the song each time I hear them.

I can't tell you, this is a seven year layoff basically with a hint of life in 01-02... If albums actually came out that would be different, these are leaks from a band that I never see..

Im totallybored of the new tracks, but im not bored of Appetite, Lies or half the Illusions songs. That suggests to me that this new album isnt really gonna hold my attention for too long before I crack out good old Mr Brownstone again.... All the excitement I had when I heard the leaks have long gone and Im back to square one.

At least theres variation on those albums not just 'Oh my girlfriend did me wrong 15 years ago' Get over it Axl mate.

You know, I'd really like to say something right now, but I'm gonna just keep my cool.

CITR has only just started to grow on me and is slowly making its way to my favourite of the four.

I agree with your post man.... The new songs are good but i cant listen to them over and over and not get bored.. i could listen to AFD over and over...

Yeah the songs about the girl from 15 years ago are pretty gay....  Nikki Sixx even said that too.. he said something like "Axl needs to stop being such an EMO fuck and kick ass again"....

I have to agree with Mr Sixx on that... I hope Axl has some ass kicking songs that dont involve a bitch from years ago..

maybe for some people being wowed is a lot tougher these days.. I look at myself today and when I was a teen and I was into way more new bands back then... metallica bon jovi aerosmith vh motley crue etc could have released albums back then and I would have bought them ,but today I probably wouldn't even care.. I'm still a fan just not as excited these dayws as I once was..

Back when I was big into gnr I was into the entire band, today it's a more axl because he's the one I know best out of the new band so that can be a reason too... To a point it's not like a "gnr" album is coming out it's more like an axl rose album is coming out so that kind of lessens my excitement too, it would be like any individual gnr effort it's just not the same...

Leesixxrose and MikeGiuliana - its nice too see that I'm not the only one not looking at this New Guns with 'Rose' tinted specs!

Maybe if we looked at it more for what it is 'An Axl Rose Solo Project' then I, personally, might be more impressed.

But maybe its not - I dont see how Axl by himself has any right to headline huge festivals which suggests to me there has to be a reunion in the works. (Almost) everyone on the Download forum agrees that he is not worthy of these slots. Im not saying that I wont be at the front this year weeping tears of joy onto my big spliff when Mr Brownstone kicks in, but Ill prob have my eyes closed pretending the real band are there.

Will we ever see the new album? Do I really care any longer? Tool is out in 3 weeks and I'll stake my left nut that will be album of the year - not some 'piano rock' by a guy who again and again shows disdain for his fan base.

Its a great shame for me really to consider what Guns couldve been, but at the end of the day, the world keeps turning.

Flame me all you like, constructive criticism is healthy!

Cheers.

Seriously then, why the fuck are you here. Thats not constructive criticism. Thats just you saying your not impressed, you dont care and all this shit. You are the type of people I was talking about yesterday. No one's forcing a fucking gun to your head saying to be here. If you dont think Axl is worthy of headlining festivals, then you are damn wrong. Axl is and always has been the biggest, most popular member of GN'R. That never would have changed. So tell me how he is not worthy of headlining festivals. Maybe your just mad because Slash or any of the other members arent capable of doing it. Just because he hasnt released a record, thats not really a justified reason. His past work proves he is worthy, you guys act like all Axl did was write lyrics and sing, but I know for damn sure he always had a big influence on how the music sounded, especially on the Illusions. How is Metallica worthy, all they have done is release shitty records for the past 14 years, but as long as they are I guess, the quality of the music doesnt matter. People like you make me laugh, you just waste your life on a message board when you dont really care about Axl's new band and you dont care about the cd. Whatever...

he never said he didn't care about Axl or CD....it's just the new songs aren't the whole entire existance of the world to everyone....they are good....but they'll be better on the album.

and what is wrong with preferring the old band...to each his own : ok:

Actually he did say that. Here is his qoute "Will we ever see the new album? Do I really care any longer? Tool is out in 3 weeks and I'll stake my left nut that will be album of the year - not some 'piano rock' by a guy who again and again shows disdain for his fan base."

I dont care that he prefers the old band, I too prefer the old band. But I can still think the new music is really good without taking away from the old band, and still know that Axl is worthy of headlining festivals. And the new music isnt my whole existence, I listen to many types of music, not just Guns N' Roses.

well, to tell you the truth, I'm a bit more excited for Tool than CD at the moment....At least I know with 100% certainty that Tool will release a record...in May of this yaer....on the 2nd of that month :P

does that me I won't be ecstatic when CD finally hits shelves.....no....other bands exist besides GnR....does GnR even exist? Nobody knows....not even GnR members, they always say "you know just as much as me" WTF!!! that's scary talk...cuz we know virtually nothing :peace:

I wasnt talking about his interest in Tool, I like Tool. I was talking about what he said before the Tool comment and what he said after the Tool comment. But I guess you just ignored that. And did I not just say that I listen to many types of music, not just GN'R. Whatever I'm done with stupid thread.

no i didn't ignore it...he obviously cares a little about GnR....he's here right??!! i took it as just frustration talking..it happens

chill out dude :peace:

I don't know if Axl is worthy.  Sure he fronted one of the biggest bands in the world between 1987 and 1993, but what has he done since then that justifies his band being a headliner of festivals today.  If the band were to continue to have an impact on the world for the past 12 years, maybe it would be a different story.  The accomplishments of yesteryear sure mean something, but I certainly can see why music fans of today would argue that six years in the spotlight doesn't qualify one to be part of huge musical venues of today.  Especially if those six years happened a long time ago. 

Let's be realistic here.  I think Axl's great and I think Guns N' Roses is great, but to be honest, today's music fans don't know a hell of a lot about him or the band and don't care if they ever perform again.  I accept that.

maybe this is easier to explain, usually when you fall in love with a band suring the start those are the people you follow, you may look forward to seeing the entire band not just the singer, hell it could be anyone in the band you like best... so now go ahead to the present you still love axl, you still love the gnr name and hope it does good but for some that may be where it stops.. Maybe before you wanted to see slash duff or steven or izzy live in addition to axl... Now you have guys axl picked using the same name, so as I said you follow axl you follow the name gnr because both meant a lot to you and still do to this day, but you are not as excited because you may not care or be into anyone else in the band now..Long story short your old interest may have been a 3 out of 5 now it's 1 out 0f 7 or 8 (depending if the third player is there)... Last I just don't get as excited for any music as I once did.... I was a fucking gnr fanatic years back... I'm looking forward to new music some coo shows like I saw at msg but I'm not looking for the new wheel..

Maybe its age (not that I'm THAT old) or just plain cynicism that is the reason I'm not still super excited about the leaks.  Like Mike G said, I too used to be a GNR fanatic years ago, and there are still times when I can't sleep b/c I'm so excited about what CD could be (when I saw them at MSG and when we got all the leaks...) but in order for something to truly keep my attention these days it has to wow me like nothing else in the world has....and the leaks just don't do that for me.  They're good, but theres other stuff out there that is good too (which is hard to believe since 90% of music today is pure trash). 
I used to be an insane sports fanatic too, but as years go by I find myself caring less and less and not getting so emotionally involved.  I guess your priorities just change?  My Steelers won the superbowl and I thought it would be the greatest night of my life, but to be honest I wouldn't even put it in the top 10.  Even typing that shocks the hell out of me (maybe b/c it was a shitty game, I don't know).
I guess my point is - i loved the leaks when we first heard them, but now they're just 4 other songs on my ipod that while they won't get the skip, they won't get an "oh my god, I must hear CITR!".  I hope Axl can still wow me.

To touch base on what the recent talk has been, I think when someone/something continues to disappoint you, you still get excited about it, but you've learned to not put all your eggs in one basket.  We've waited for sooooo long and hoped so much that no matter how good CD is, it'll never ever live up to expectations.

I'm a little tired of the leaks, but that's only natural.  It would probably happen with any 4 songs you listend to repeatedly day after day -

Even more so for us, I think, because we've been waiting so long, that when it finally came, we over-played these leaks. I lived on the Illusions for about 3 years straight, so I've still got a ways to go with these before I " shelf " them..............

One song which will never get old for me in Rocket Queen on the Live Era CD... wow.. probably one of Axls best performances of all time .. he nails the vocals better than on the AFD recording.

I've heared CITR more times in the past month, than I've heared Estranged in my entire life.
and I still listen to it.
My playlist is short.
Better(Instrumental), IRS(Instrumental), TWAT(instrumental), CITR

and I LOVE the instrumentals. the vocals only get in the way. they are fabulous.
Actually I don't want CD. All I want is all the versions they came up with so far for TWAT or CITR.

if the whole legend about TWAT is true, I really want to have it all.
first the Zakk version, then the Robin version, then Buckethead + Robin, and now the latest they came up with.
same goes for CITR.

the legend of twat, I'd love to see the entire history of the twat,.. The twat began in 1995 and was messed around with a few times along the way then it blossomed into something special after each guy worked his magic on it :smoking:

zakk never played on any gnr songs if i`m not mistaken.....  at least i`m pretty sure he didn`t record anything...

back in 95 I know i read that him and slash were playing some stuff together... I remember later how axl described a giant snake and dinosaur .... I know something happened but I don't know what, but the rumor was zakk was joining gnr back then

slash n zakk :drool:

as far as i know they just jamed together... and later zakk didn`t want to deal with axl`s legal stuff and left....

I thought it was some mix up ,like zakk demanded something or axl thought he wanted something..  I know there is an interview out there.. Either way zakk would have never waited this long..

i agree, he wouldn`t have waited that long... but maybe he would?ve made axl release the damn thing... or just spend his time on different stuff, like tommy or richard....

i doubt it, but it`s speculation anyways.... fact is, zakk would?ve been a great addition for gnr :peace:

Good point. I hear most people become insensitive as they grow old. Maybe that's why some people here just hate anything newer than the 80s stuff and even want to bring back the last century where their sense is not outdated.   :hihi:


Not at all.
Apart from Better, rhiad and silkworms, the new songs, leaked demos or live ones, were not novel kinda stuff to begin with. many of them are still fresh, which are my favs.

Better and I.R.S. (It's been over a year now...) still feel fresh.

TWAT needs another verse, as someone mentioned earlier in the topic. It'd probably be my favorite newer song if the last 3 minutes had some lyrical variety. It's gotten a little old.

CITR has gotten somewhat old, despite that I've only listened to it about a dozen times.

The Blues and Madagascar have gotten old.

R&TB and Silkworms get better as I keep listening to them.

OMG has grown old, but it's still worth a listen every week or so.

well I know slash and himare buddies so that might have helped... Maybe zakk could have grabbed axl and said release the motherfucker be a man for axl not another hired yes man..

Sure the novelty has worn off--but they are still great songs.

i listen to the songs (better,catcher,twat and irs) almost everyday as their on my pc,my mobile phone,my mp3 player,in my car and on cd in my house.but i do go a couple of days not hearing them and when i play them,its like i missed them if ye know what i mean

I use better, and cd as my ringtomes, and I never get tiered of them.

I hear CITR AT LEAST 20 times per day.

Oh gosh, I stopped listening after like a day.  Ask D, I wasnt overly impressed.

This had all the makings of Burn Out written all over it.   We got the tracks and it was euphoria for a few weeks but since there is no momentum with this band...it just burns out after a bit.    Hopefully it will pick up again and I still do listen to the songs but not like I was when they first emerged.

it feels like they're a year old. hopefully we get some new bootlegs after the nyc shows? :drool: that would be fantabulous(?).? which track that leaked do you still listen to? that ofcourse HASNT gotten old...
for me its "better". (play that shit loud on your speakers :yes: :yes: )?

edit: but dont get me wrong i still love the songs  :love:

umm i think the appetite and illusions stuff is getting old

I tottally agree. We need some new leaks perhaps "seven" maybe we could persuade axl to either let the CD out early or get more leaks from some insiders? : ok:

Yes...Better is a fuckin' awesome song.
Is gonna be a huge hit !

nah, still new to me ?:confused: ?:P

I really haven't worn them out too much, I put them on no cd's and I only have them on my ipod that I have about 300 songs on for when I work out... so I usually only hear them at random.

I do have them all on my work comp however and listen to them from time to time!!!

None have gotten old to me yet. :peace:

Not even I.R.S?  cmon...

Actually IRS has grown on me the most.. I used to not like it that much.

I've been listening to them since they were leaked and they still own. TWAT amazing, IRS sounds like vintage GnR to me, Better, could be slightly better but rocks, CiTR flows nicely and is a catchy tune. 

Thats pretty close to what I think. As for wearing them out, I think I almost did when they first leaked and then I settled down a bit. I still listen to "Better" at least once a day (usually) but I spread the others out so I don't get sick of them.

I at least listen to Better once a day, mixing in the others in as well, but I always listen to Better  8)

I still listen to Better and CITR all the time and IRS is starting to grow on me now. I like TWAT but I just can't get into it for some reason.

they aren't old to me yet.  better rocks, and CITR is awesome (esp lyrically).  twat and irs are always fun too

listening to songs 5,000,000 times does that :hihi: :peace:

Good music never gets old, it just gets better with all the shit that is released now days!

 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I love the leaked tracks personally. Its gets me pumped for new G'n'R material. Youtube.com has " I.R.S" and ?" T.W.A.T" in a video by a fan. Its f-ckin fantastic by the way. If that guy is here and you did that...awesome job.

 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have to say the track thats making me really ponder what the hell Axl is thinking is a track i found called : Just Another Sunday. ?Jesus....thats bad. I can see what he was going for but I just can't feel it.

Just another sunday was recorded somewhere in the 80s. What you said about that track is probably the reason it never made an album. Just wasn't good enough.

                  Thank god. I found it and it had " Chinese Democracy " on it. Of course I just heard it for the 1st time ever so I had no clue if it was a new leaked track or not.

I listen to Better many times each day and TWAT and IRS a few times each day. CITR maybe once.

They were perfect.. just enough to keep us going until this upcoming tour.

Im really glad nothing else leaked. There is no need to leak anything now with the tour coming up.

Old? Oh no, I still listen to them every day! Besides, we do have quite a lot to choose from: IRS, Better, TWAT, CITR.... I don't listen to IRS much, but CITR and Better get a bit of time each and every day  : ok: I am waiting for those NY boots though. I would love for them to play Better live. Wonder how it's going to sound without Bucket (nope, still don't believe he would be back).

 ? ? ? ? ? " The Blues " is a good track. Anyone heard that one ? Its a real old one. But I always enjoyed it.

I like them all.
They haven't got really old since they are so different from each other.
But then I still listen to all the old stuff also, and I never have gotten tired of it.
 :peace: :beer:

Blues is one of my favourites too. Always try to sing along with that one, but I can't carry a tune (sorry for fucking up your song, GNR). I have it on my MP3, but I can't remember which show my version is from. I think I have the Boston one  ??? Anyway, I prefer this version over the one in RIR3 (okay, nevermind .... that just bugs me, takes me out of the song). I hope they'll play it again.

Hm, I wonder which GNR track has gotten old over the years for me.  ???

The Leaks are getting old?!  :o NEVER

The night when the news broke that tracks leaked, I spent hours trying to find the best quality leaks I could get, demo and live tracks. I burnt them onto a CD and haven't stopped listening to them since.

The best of the best songs though? IRS, TWAT, Better, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy

I've slowed down listening to Catcher, Blues...I love those songs, but there are better offerings.

And of course...I only listen to SilkWorms to remind myself that everyone makes mistakes  :love:

I'm the exact opposite in a way. CITR is just now growing on me, I feel like you do about TWAT towards this song. I like the shorter version of TWAT overall (about 5mins) but I still love the tune though. CITR is growing on me more everytime I hear it, but I still only listen to it like once every other week or so.

We don't need any more leaks, we need a CD in our hands for cryin' out loud!!

I only listen to the leaks. at least 20 times per day.
I love em. I gave em to many people, and most of them are amazed.

On the new edition of "Talking Metal" (episode 54), they report that Dizzy said everybody in the GNR camp are very pleased the fans like the leaked demos, but that those versions are NOT those which gonna appear on the record. The final versions will have will be different, probably re-worked and re-recorded for some of them (maybe all of them). I think it was just a little preview, a test. And the feedback was positive.
Personally I have the feeling the Buckethead stuff may not be on the record, and that the final tracks will have different solos. That's just the feeling I have, and that's also what I wish obviously. After all, that would be logical. Now Buckethead may be on the record, but I highly doubt he will be all over the new record. That will not be a Buckethead record, those who think he will be everywhere are wrong I think. I think Robin will be everywhere, Richard will have his good times too, maybe Axl will play a couple of rythm and a few solos too + Brian May (maybe).
But overall, I think the record will reflect the current line-up, not the line-up of 3, 4 or 8 years ago.

We don't know, plans change everytime. They said it last year, but the truth of today is maybe not the truth of last year. Don't take what I say as a fact, I don't pretend to own "the truth", I just give my impression. Maybe he will still be on the record, but much less than some people think, especially since his departure. Why would the band make him shine on this so important record if he screwed-up the band?
We may have the answers in 13 days.

We never know. Demos can develop quite a lot.

nonne of the new songs boots and leaks are old yet. i play them every day and am not sick of them maddy kicks ass!

I always thought that too, but I'm hoping that things have changed since they made that statement. As for the 13 days, I'm hoping for that to be so as well!

No. We need Chinese Democracy.

The leaks are old ? ???

What will you think a few months after CD release ? It makes no sense.

And as Steve McKagan said, we don't need no leaks, we need the album.

I started think about that too. It's like you waited what almost ten years to hear anything then you're sick of it already??

                      I wish Rose would finally decide to release the album. I can understand if these Demo's will change when the final product comes out. I remember hearing a lot of Audioslave's 1st demo's and they were good. But the final product had some changes. And hell....one song from thier demo's never made it to a final cut !  Which sucked because that demo was fantastic.

I heard VR was the same way but I never heard the demos. I personally hope that Better remains close to what we've already heard. TWAT and CITR need to change a little and I wouldn't mind there being some addtional lyrics to IRS, I just think the chorus repeats WAY too much IMO.

Having said that, I hope they're all on the final cut of the album. That is unless those rumored "big guns" they've been holding back are much better!

Then don't listen to them everyday if you think they're old.

You know what gets old?? ? ? ? ?My mom? ?:D


 :P


on topic: I agree with jimb0 and by the way..... I love the drumbeat in TWAT. Never gets old to me.

I dig the hell out of the drum beat but the begnning, but the breakdown in the middle w/ the piano that leads back up to the drums kicking in again is incredible to me!

I like the part in TWAT where it begins, but I don't like the part where it ends...that song should go on forever that's how good it is

none of em's gotten old cuz i hardly ever listen to em.. as a matter of fact, i'm on a GnR-fast until the show on the 12th.. havent listened to gnr in 2 weeks.. and not going to until the show.. so i dont subconciously compare the live to the studio magic

the production and final cuts of all these songs will take these songs to another level.....

Even though Better is damn near studio quality, I can't wait to hear the finished one just for that reason. It'd be great to get the finished studio quality track and just let it BLAST from the stereos!

The leaks are still good to me but instead of more leaks I'd like to see the damn cd finally come out.   I've been wanting to hear Prostitute so long that when it finally appears on Chinese Democracy (if that remains the title)  I'll probably be disappointed.  The longer this goes on the harder it is going to be to meet the expectations we fans have.

i still listen to them, but not nearly as often. used to be everyday, now it's 2-3 times a week. I've been getting alot of other new music lately ( pearl jam, tool, godsmack, soil, rhcp, etc....). i'm ready for CD to come out. i know i'll listen to that for about 2-3 months straight.

Madagascar is one of the songs that'll never get old.? its a GRRRRR8 song? :hihi: i wanna hear the studio version so bad? :crying:

hellz yea  :beer:

To tell you the truth when the leaks first came out I wasn't too impressed by them.  But over the past week or so I've been listening to GNR's newer material a whole lot more and I'm really liking what I'm hearing!!  So, no the leaks haven't gotten old for me.

This is one of the problems with leaks. Some will be tired of the songs even before they're released....




/jarmo

i listen to TWAT almost everyday, and it will never get old.  cant wait to hear the studio version. 

old?! hell naw! ;D
i could listen to gnr all day, i have been starving for new material for over a decade so finally getting it and then growing sick of it within 2 months would be outright stupid! : ok:

i havent really grown sick of them i just think we need more shit, like maybe a finished tune (single) or something

yeah like i have been hearing for the past six years, "omg we need a single i'm certain we will have CD within 2 months otherwise fuck axl, and hey i'm still a fan", just be happy will ya ya ungrateful fucks. :beer:

very true  :beer:

Not for me, I haven't even heard Catcher in the Rye yet.  Speaking of which, if someone happens to have a copy lying around...

Couldn't have said it better myself! : ok:

Most of the music nowdays is shit (excuse my french), I'm just glad gnr are still goin cos most of the bands i like have split up.

This is why no one shouldve listened.

If people had nt listened they would be more fanatical rightnow.

Its like hearing some leaks has really took some of the luster and mystique out of the wait.

I think I'm the only one here who haven't heard them,  :hihi:
I think I've heard small parts ,but that's it  :peace:

Don't get your knickers in a twist, frozen  :hihi:

i cant seem to find those

                              Its on www.youtube.com now. Type " New Guns n Roses " into the search and you can play the video. A fan made one of that and Madagascar mixed in with concert footage of Rock in Rio,MTV and various other images ! 

They're only old, because you liked them so much and listened to them non-stop for a couple months. : ok:

i pitty those of you who have listened to the leaks that much :no:

I only listened to them one time, honestly i forgot what they even sound like.  It will only make the album's release that much greater for those of us who didnt download the leaks  :beer:

What's a knicker?

knickers- underwear I think.

i was gonna ask da samething.

Is that like getting your panties in a bunch or something?

think so. mandy's trying to confuse us americans.

I believe there will definitely be bootlegs. Hell, the Rock in Rio show is typically televised.  So at the very least, we should have a perfect audio copy of that performance.  Anyone preparing to Tivo and share that mother?

agreeing.
THey would probably get old to you f ou listened to them like nonstop for like months.  But to me. I"m obsessed with IRIS XP
And THe blues, managascar and all the other ones i can't name right now. Uhm nope still haven't grown old to me :peace:

Agreed.  But the leaks would have been a great way of creating a buzz if they had just released the cd fairly soon after.

IRS is still good.
Catcher In The Rye is really boring though.

Just because us Americans are stupider than the rest of the world doesn't give them the right to pick on us

I still love them all and think that finished songs on a CD will sounds even more incredible

I don't think so.  Better is one of the most interesting songs I've heard in a long time, it's a really complex piece of music.  IRS is a rocker that's grown on me more and more, I don't think any of the songs has grown old, not for me anyway

Yeah, I get bored with a song only after about 10 listens. With Better, on iTunes, my play count is 176 and counting. I can't get enough of it.

i still listen to better about 15 times a day  :'( fuckin incredible song. and twat like about 5.

Just previewed a bit of Maddy live from Boston, and all of Better for a co-worker today at the end of lunch.  Very impressed.  It's so cool to see the head-bobbing on a first listen.  Better is so fucking catchy it's scary!

 :beer:

I can't wait to be at the "Miracle on 34th Street!"   :beer:

Im really hoping better will be released as a single because I really think loads of people (not necessarily rockers) will really take to it although I could see alot of club type places mucking around with it and ruining it. The song will hopefully be able to draw everyone to buy the CD. My little bro even wants it on his computer and he doesnt even like Guns N Roses

Hope I'm not cramping anyones style by bumping this thread, but its been over a year since the question was posed:

Do the new songs still hold up? Are you still listening to them as much as the day you first heard them?  Do you find yourself listening to AFD more then the new tunes?

The new tunes are great.

But I do think some of the novelty has worn off a little. But that happens with any new album from a fav artist....you love it cos its so new and so familiar at the same time...and then it just becomes like a good friend.

Myself I find i'm listening to more of the rockers from UYI these days. Like i get my AFD fix at the shows and boots, and then I'm getting the leaks for the ballads....but I feel the urge to crank like "perfect crime" and "right next door to hell" pretty often!

I wake up to AFD every morning my alarm goes off. ?That's been the case ever since the leaks came out a year and a half ago or so. ?I listened to the "new songs" a bunch when the first "came out", then again this May. ?Not as much any more. ?I still like them just as much, I just wish we'd have the official versions sometime soon.

You bet they hold up, and once you see them live they are even better.
Saw both Melbourne shows 15th & 16th best song for me was Chinese Democracy on the 15th that rocked and was absolutely the highlight of the shows for me. Madagascar, The Blues and Better were fantastic live aswell. Better was my highlight until Chi Dem came on, that song was just so powerfull live it blew me away.

Can't remember the last time I listened to Appetite, been listening to the new tunes too much :hihi:

I listen to the the new songs way more than I listen to Apetite, after all it's a 20 year old album. Some of the leaks I've only heard for 6 years : ok:

I don't listen to them much anymore, probably out of not wanting to ruin it when the album does actually come out.? As for hearing them live though......IRS totally owns live.? It was probably my least favorite of the leaks, but hearing it live..it has so much more power and drive to it.? I didn't think Better came off too well live at the show I was at, but still good nonetheless.? IRS was simply awesome though.? I hope the final version is tweaked to the live versions energy.? Chinese Democracy was also really great live.

Appetite's not even gotten old for me...  Neither have the Illusions or (some of) TSI...  The leaks are the only thing keeping me hanging on!  Honestly can't say I'd be paying attention if I hadn't at least gotten that little taste of the new stuff...

Yeah, I can honestly say I've never been sick of ANY GNR song because I heard them too much.  In my opinion there's no such thing as hearing a GNR song too much.  I still love all the leaks (listening to them right now in fact), but I like to pace myself.  Haven't listened to them in over a week, I've got some catching up to do.

For me, the GNR I listen to is usually the GNR I haven't listened to, lately.  The other day it was UYI II, and I don't know what I'll get the urge for next. 

But I still listen to the new tracks, fairly often.  I have them in a playlist form (kind of how I might put them together, on an EP  :)), and I play them from top to bottom.

1.) Chinese Democracy
2.) There Was A Time
3.) Catcher in the Rye
4.) IRS
5.) Madagascar
6.) The Blues
7.) Better

Like my other GNR "albums," I go through spurts.  Some weeks I might play the list every day.  Then I'll occasionally go into a self-imposed leak exile, usually because some fucking rumor has me thinking the album might drop, and I don't want to "spoil" it.  I hadn't listened to them for a long while, until the most recent round of leakage.  But at that time it increased rapidly, again. 

I haven't listened to the new songs in months.

Not that I don't like them, I just want to have as fresh a listen as I can when the album finally comes out. 

Been listening to Live Era and UYI 2 a lot lately.

I agree. I used  to listen to Guns  every single day. Now  I go in cycles. I will go several weeks without, and then listen  to Guns for a  month straight,  nothing else. But to be  true, the same old  songs, every show, gets  old.
I like the new songs, but there are not  that  many. The novelty has not  worn off,  and I eagerly await  the album, but  I need the whole  album, not just a few songs  that may or may or may not make the cut.

I havn't gotten tired of the new stuff I listen to, but I don't listen to all of it. Better and TWAT are still under my 25 most played on my ipod but I don't even have madagasar or the blues on my ipod.