Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I was just wondering if anyone knew when the last time was that GNR played a venue as small as Hammerstein.  What an intense run of shows this will be. What an oppertunity. I still wonder if this is some sort of dream....zzzzzz

Vegas obviously, before that i guess it would be the two warm up shows in NY before the UYI tour kicked off!

Jonx

There were 3 warm up shows for the UYI tour and they were San Francisco, LA and NYC.

                         I've watched Extreme Championship Wrestling at the Hammerstein Ballroom , and its a small venue. But you are right..its gonna be intense ! That place has a charge about it. Those 4 shows will kick ass.

My one hope for Hammerstein is that the fans on the floor don't squash each other. Last thing we need is for people to get smothered and have to leave the show (ala GNR Live album)...I think people are gonna go nuts at this show, I plan on screaming my head off, but I really hope people are a bit curtious to their fellow fans.

Furthermore, NO FRIGGIN MOSH PITS. Throw your arm around your neighbor, jump up and down, and welcome one another to the jungle, but for fucks sake, can we not have a pit those 4 nights? There is no reason to beat one another up...I love heavy metal, and I've been to plenty of shows, and I can't understand what people get out of walking away with a bloody face.

Anyway, there you have it...

some people will probably mosh. you can't stop it, and you kinda have to expect it in a general admission area. best you can do is to try to stay away from it.

i'm betting on some fights breaking out- i hope i'm wrong. i just think that EVERYONE will want to be right up front, and eventually some punches will get thrown.

i rarely buy gen. adm. tickets anymore. i prefer to actually be able to watch the show, not having to watch for crowd surfers ( ever had someone come crashing down on the back of your neck? it ain't fun!), and not having to worry about that moshing shit.  I guess maybe i'm just getting old?

I'd be shocked if anybody moshed. Las Vegas was a respectful and calm affair as far as that was concerned. You gotta remember the age of many of the people attending.

Hammerstein is a nice venue and like SLC said, remember the ages of alot of the people that will be there.

Ages yes, but don't forget where you are. This is New York...we NYers boo opening acts off of stage, fight for no reason, and mosh to Kelly Clarkson. We're a savage bunch

You're not the only one! Nowadays, I'd much rather sit up in the bleachers & actually watch the show than be down in the mosh fighting for my life. It's almost like the older I get, the less I'm into large crowds in general. Be it baseball games, concerts, whatever. Crowds suck.

I saw gnr here in Vegas, and the crowd was good, not too bad, so everyone could enjoy the show, unlike last night, when I went to see Avenged Sevenfold, I was in front for the first 2 songs, then had to get the hell outta there and watch the show from the side, great show though

I highly doubt the floor will be violent, remember these shows sold out stupidly fast, the audience is going to a mature crowd of devoted fans who are there to SEE the band,  not the usual pit goers who get off on the fact that they are able to get close to sweaty men and touch each other up. There are also going to be alot of people who got tickets through other channels, "contacts" etc.... no doubt they will have got the best tickets in the house, and they will be on the floor!

Watch 2002 tour bootlegs, i dont see any movement on the floor, a shame but that seems to be the way most American audiences go these days. This isnt going to be a RATM type environment where the whole audience is f**king insane for 2 hours, all moving at once etc!

People will want to remember this!

Jonx

I don't know that I want the crowd to be calm, lol, I just don't want people to be fucking idiots and mosh. I'm not an old dude, I'm only 22, but i can't stand it when people just start shoving each other for no reason. I don't know, people get off on that; not me.

I want the crowd to be active, and trust me, regardless of how long GNR play, everyone will be wide awake. But please, let's make a pact right now. If you see some doucebag trying to incite a pit, shove him to the back or in a corner where he can't bother us, the hardcore fans, who are there for the music, not the fights.

Well I hate push pits. 

Dude it's gnr not hatebreed relax crazy peeps. 

The Only semi pit part they have is that better part any ways.  So if you see some one doing a mosh pit, get in there and kick him in the face so his nose breaks.

I LOVED being in the front at the Vegas shows, but after being seriously injured at a Buckethead concert during the toy give out I'm not sure I want to fight for the front! I may stay to the side or even the back! Thanks again to Chris from San Antonio for protecting me at the Vegas show! :yes:

i love small venues, always have always will!

Remember though, in 2002 at the arena shows there were chairs which prevented this. I'm hoping along the lines of everyone else..alot of good energy in the crowd, but not having to constantly defend your space or worry about getting hit. With the scarcity of tickets, the slightly older than average age of the crowd for a "metal" show (I'm only 22..but I dont expect many kids under 17 there), and with the style alof of GNR's old songs, not to mention their new ones, I dont see it being an issue. As others have said I'm paying out the ass fly to NYC and see this I want to REMEMBER it. Pits can be fun, but only at a concert where I know I'll be able to experience the band again and where the music is better suited for it.

I have floor tickets for a NYC show, and I just hope the crowd doesn't start pushing or something like that.

When I saw Velvet Revolver in 2004 at the Kool Haus (again, a small club venue), it was crazy!!? I was front row, but within a minute, the crowd surged so hard, that I found myself in 15th row, barely being able to stand.? I had to get out of there quick, or most likely, I would have been pushed to the ground, and trampled on.?

I say there should be a girl's only section on the floor.? Some guys get so rough... it is crazy.? It is like I have to fight for my life to have a good spot at a concert.?

Just be cool :smoking:  If you are moshing or doing anything like that, take the other person's feelings into consideration.  If you see that they're not liking what's going on, just stop.  Besides, I don't think GN'R fans go see GN'R just to beat the crap out of other fans.

Yeah this is a great oppertunity. They might not do any more small venues after this again. 

Maybe. That's too bad. They should still do smaller venues from time to time to shake things up.

It will probably be packed in the front.  That is just how it is.  I was at concerts where I wasn't even touching the ground at times because I was getting crushed. heh  I hope it isn't like that but it probably will.

I am also hoping the floor is not a mess, but people trying to be respectful and enjoy the experience.  I too want it to be electric but it never needs to get violent IMO

I am hoping for no moshing, but you can never be 100% on such things, so I grabbed 1st mezz.  I was front row for U2 @ msg and when the crowd surged, it was a bit rough.  I held the rail and locked my arms to keep from being crushed, kept the girlfriend in front of me.  The crowd was excited, but respectful.  Regardless of the musical differences, I am hoping to see similar behavior at GnR. 

A girls section for the floor though? Do you have any idea how many guys would be dying to get in there?  Oooh, baby...  8)

Axl would probably get pissed off if he saw people moshing and getting pushed around. I have a clip of him going off on the crowd during the UYI tour when they were throwing fire. He said something along the lines of "I"m not here for anybody to get hurt." Not sure if that's the kind of mood they want for their first video, if they're even filming it there.

does anyone know how many people are there in each section? like how many does the mezz levels hold ?

Ideally, since I have floor  ;D, it would be about a third of capacity for each section (MEzz1, Mezz2, and Floor)..but I'm assuming that the Mezz sections will hold slightly less....maybe a little over 500 each..leaving about 2,000 for the floor. Anyone who's been to a concert at the Hammerstein before have a good gauge of this? If you were there before for ECW or another event besides a concert it might be hard to tell since the set up would be fairly different.

I was at Hammerstein for 311...the Mezz sections have chairs and probably sit about 400-500 people in each section. The floor is big.

GN'R crowds have never been that big of moshers anyway. I have been worried about this also. Cause I go to a show to watch the band, not to worry about being hit everywhere. I think the Tacoma show was general admission in 2002. Thats what it looks like from the MTV Report, and during the heaviest part of Paradise City they werent moshing or anything, just jumping up and down with their hands in the air. So I'm sure there will be some movement and stuff, but I dont think there will be any moshing.

I just don't see someone moshing to Madagascar or November Rain.  Granted, WTTJ and PC will be played as well, but that it more like head banging than beating the shit out of each other (something I never understood why people would want to do).  I'm sure it will be intense though and very rough up front.  Everyone wants to be up front, so you better be prepared to stand your ground.  When I saw VR in Pittsburgh it was nuts once you got up front, I felt I was being crushed to death and had a hard time breathing for alot of it.  I expect this to be the same if not worse.

If theres gonan be moshing it will be somewhere towards the back of the floor. The closer you get the better off you are. just dont fall and get crushed

i was at a VR concert at roseland ballroom and was on the rail and it wasnt too bad. At times you can feel the pressure but it wasnt so bad. There was only 1 or 2 times where i thought about leaving. I expect it to be a lil more hectic when people see Axl but it shouldnt be too bad. Im gonna tryit for the 12th and see how it goes....

I was at that show. That was hands down the best show I've ever been to to in my life...they kicked so much ass. btw, May 12th will be my first guns show, so it could beat out velvet revolver.

best part of that night? Living Things getting booed by the crowd and trying to incite fights

What? Is it better the closer you get?

i dont go to many concerts but from what ive seen most of the moshing tends to take place in the back.
The gnr crowd is not much of the mosh type so if it happens it will be towards the back.

The only downfall of being in the front is the constant pressure from the people behind u. If you dont mind people literally on you then you should be fine. Im gonna try to be on the rail so my problem will be the rail. my forearms will have to be the buffer.

The Vr concert was great from that spot. I cant imagine how its gonna be seeing Axl and the band a few feet from me. That will numb any pain.

the moshing is usually 4-5 rows back. The first 3 rows you're getting crushed, elbowed and kicked but don't expect much of at these shows since a lot of diehards will be there

Rules for the GNR Hammerstein concerts:

1. No Moshing
2. No cameras and videotaping because if you are the guy that upsets Axl and if he leaves early because of you, you're probably going to die

and

3. Chant "Guns and Roses" louder than Bullet for my Valentine can play their instruments...this will force that crappy band off the stage and make more time for GNR :smoking:

Actually, it will more than likely just ensure that we wait just as long...with NOTHING to look at on stage.

I doubt it will goad Axl into going on stage any earlier...it'll just leave us all sitting (or standing) around with nothing to do.

Again, BFMV is decent background noise to settle into, and not annoying enough (like CKY was) to distract you from conversing with your "neighbors" or friends.  And they're better than the damn PA system playing canned crap on a cracker.

Take it from someone who has seen this band live...they suck. Furthermore, the PA is a great alternative to seeing Bullet for My Valentine.

let's take a poll....watch Bullet for My Valentine on stage...or have the sound guy BLAST maybe some Stone Temple Pilots out the PA

good question... idont know  but yeah it should be good