Here Today... Gone To Hell!

instead of the site's classic 'This page cannot be displayed', it now takes you to GN'R's 'Artists Direct' page.

for those who don't know, this site is liscened to Axl.

yep,

Registrant:
W. AXL ROSE
c/o Big FD Entertainment 510 South Coast
Highway
Laguna Beach, CA 92651
US

well...hope the *real* website will be cool...

So now that Axl's not under Big FD anymore, I wonder who got the website?

cool.....how do you know if it's registered under his name?

This is a big deal, actually.  (Well, if I believe what i've been told in the past, anyway) - I was told that gunsnroses.com would more than likely be the official site where all the 'good stuff' happens.  I don't know if that's still the plan - but if so, definitely a good sign.  Also, that site has been dormant for a LONG time - so the fact that they've even activated its IPs is intriguing, in and of itself.

-darknemus

I don't see wha tthe big deal is .

BFD merged with Sanctuary, so that won't make a difference.

Exactly.  I'm sure Sanctuary owns the 'intellectual property' on this one.

-darknemus

Why am i suddenly looking forward to Monday?

Jonx

i hope they take advantage of this site and use it as a way to directly deal with the fans, bc gnronline is bullshit, gunsnrosesonline is bullshit, htgth is the closest thing to an official site and thats how im sure all of us have been getting out gnr news.,

They have clips for everything, they even have RIR 3 listed but no clips ... thats interesting.

so now there are 2 official gnr sites ehhhhhhh?  :drool:

I don't see anything really positive for it. ? It's a sales engine. ?Looks like they're just trying to scoop some revenue. ?

No, there is no indication that this is an "official GNR site".   It's a site that sells GNR material.

Interesting. At least it has been updated.

But why would Axl or Sanctuary update a site with old pictures of GNR?

Wouldn't it be the new members?

 ???

If they wanted to use it to sell more GNR albums they would have put it on Artist Direct about 4 years ago.

It's no coincidence that this is happening now.

Was GNR already on Artist Direct already?

It could be that the use of the domain is new, but GNR were already listed on there.

Actually, it would be Axl, with Sanctuary doing the administration as Axl's management. ?

In the past with a lot of the artists signed to major labels, the label would secure and own the sites and they'd hang on to them even if the band left the label. ?The record company would (supposedly) use it to promote the catalogue, forcing the band to start up other sites under different (and often more awkward) names, leaving the fans pretty confused and the bands pretty pissed off. ?

If it's registered to Axl, it's likely that Rose and crew set up the site themselves to avoid that pitfall, but the label probably also has its own 'official' GN'R site. ?I guess there can be a lot of deals between all the factions -- ie: Axl's own site or not, it's just easier to link it to AD, or AD has an agreement with Sanctuary or whatever.? ?

But if a site registered to Axl has old band photos, then guaranteed he's not paying any attention to it, or its on hold. ?Somebody at Sanctuary may just be following the line of least resistance, or wallowing in indecision, or (the most likely sceneario) waiting for Axl to hand down 'the plan.'? They can't have a site with new photos if they're not even confirming who's in the band, or acknowledging the tour dates.? (As far as I can tell, all info has still come from the promoters, none from the band).

hmmmmI think its cuz the address www.gunsnroses.com actually links to it now where that address was dead before.

Nobobdy answered this before so i'll ask it again.....how do we know its owned by Axl?

                   I think its wierd they have the old G'n'R picture up and all. But I can see why. Who is in the new Guns n Roses ? I know Rose is pretty much but who else is there currently ?

                    Plus sadly I doubt Steven Adler is gonna stage a return as a drummer. Poor guy looked bad on that VH1 special on G'n'R. 

Go here http://www.whois.net/ - and u can see who any domain is registerd to. This one is Axl :)

who would have ever thought that gunsnroses.com would be the official site

I think it's strange that they put up all those old pictures. I would love to see some rehearsal pictures of Robin, Richard, Brain etc (and maybe the new guitar player, if there even is one). I guess we'll just have to wait for the tour to kick off, so new live pictures can be added. All of this does make me excited about the ball starting rolling and stuff. Hope to see CD very very (dare I say the word?  :hihi:) soon.

Looking at the info attached to this one, this is probably the site that was leased to ArtistDirect way back when that company started out. ?It was mega-agent Marc Geiger's (and Rick Rubin) baby and was going to be this huge company handling everybody's net stuff with major merchanding, etc. ? They had made 10-year deals with a bunch of acts right out of the box late in '96, GN'R was logically one of them. ? (At one point they had a record label, touted as a really big deal. ?I stopped following it after it took a big dive in the dot.com bust). ?

Of course since that point the band hasn't had information or merchandise (to speak of).  AD is probably desperately hoping to recoup before their deal runs out in November.

Then who is gnronline.com registered to?

Interscope Geffen A&M Records
New Media Department
2220 Colorado Ave.
Santa Monica, CA 90404
US

Has anyone read the biography there ? It sure as hell doesn't say official site...

For exampla :

Heh!!? Yup, Axl's definitely not paying attention.? ;)? ?This the the AllMusicGuide bio, it's circulated all over the place.

definitely interesting....  i wouldn`t be surprised if the actual site goes online on 12th of may...

The reason there are pictures of the old band and a biography which isn't very positive towards Axl, is because the website just links straight to the artistdirect.com page which was already in existence. Almost everything they sell is related to oldGnR and besides there are no pictures of the new band so it makes sense for them to put that picture up. It seems like a lot of the detail could have come from numerous other websites which sell GnR mp3s or something, just directly copied.

Also, on that whois thing, it says the technical content is ArtistDirect, which I assume means they run the website, and can probably change it independant of Axl, although he could overrule if he heard about it. So maybe, with all the sudden interest in GnR, particulary the New York gigs, maybe ArtistDirect simply decided to link a website which they run to their own one. Of course it's also possible they simply wanted to make the site active again, in anticapation of an official website, but I doubt it, they more likely would have put up tour dates or something.

It's interesting though. gunsnrosesonline.com suddenly becomes active and puts up tour dates. Didn't someone say the logo changed slightly on gnronline.com? And now gunsnroses.com becomes active again. Maybe Axl's giving us the runaround and keeping us guessing on what the official website will be, probably just for a joke to annoy us, and see us, once again, make a big deal out of nothing.

gunsnrosesonline.com is a FAN made site from Belgium. The logo from www.gnronline.com IS NOT changed. There is NO connection between the last two.  :)

 

ill check it out now? :peace:

could you please remove that pic there??

i don?t want this board to become the next mygnr, because topics aren`t readable anymore...

just noticed no one has a sig !?  will remove now!!

thx : ok:

No Prob, I like it ! Please just dont mention mygnr again !!!!! :crying:

Thanks man!!!!  you rock


Did anyone notice that, Doug Goldstien is still the administrative contact.....shouldn't that be merck?

er, because it is a bank holiday and you don't have to goto work?  :hihi:

I have been checking this site occasionly for a few years now. My Guns N Roses poster on my wall is from the scrapped 2001 european tour - it has GunsNRoses.com on the poster.

Anyway - this site has not existed at all over the last 5 years, typing in the URL took you nowhere.

This is a pretty big development.

more coming. soon.

something BIG is happening guys very very soon so stay tuned? ::)
BUT i cant tell you what it is!!? :P
just kidding  :-X

hey Frozen what do you know pal ? ???

is it a case of  :-X   :hihi:

:o i know nothing? :-X

Soon as in tomorrow?

Frozens under gag order from Axl.

From what I've readed. Yes. Wouldn't hold my breath tho......well.....just a little bit.? :-X

 :confused:

Here's hoping. Must happen one day, doesnt it?? :beer:

Is soon the word?
See you tomorrow!!!!!  : ok:

damn right it is. just ask jimb0 he knows.

 :drool:

 :rofl:

Shhhhhhhh Inferno, You're under gag remember?  You wouldn't want Axl to take away your V.I.P. passes for the tour would you?

hellzz no? :'( dont talk like that jim.

this may mean something ,but if it does i doubt it will be soon tomorrow is way too quick for something to happen i think, if they didn't put a whole site up when they changed it it will be a bit of a wait until its there

Well.... he's already pissed at you for leaking some of the tracks to other people who leaked them online.

Any ways.  So is that address for Axl Rose like his business address?   Could we like send stuff there or go there and what would happen?

Stop talkin shit like you know something

ok minty

sure mint. whatever you say.  :-X

right on mentos

darknemus posted that in mygnr but i cant find the thread. :-\
yup they either deleted the thread or moved it. i saved it here anyway
http://gunsreincarnate.bbfun.com/gunsreincarnate-about307.html

i dont get why they would put this up just to hold the place for something, doesnt make sense, why not just put the real site up when its ready?

Stop jumping on eachother's back. This is what BP (admin CD.com) said today and I quote:



http://www.chinesedemocracy.com/viewtopic.php?t=13059

So maybe.....just maybe.........something will happen....... I hope he's right.  :)

yeah.
now whut? HUh? HUH?? :rant:

http://www.gunsnroses.com/

looks like some sort of Amazon site selling music, not just GnR but other bands to. It looks non official  :hihi:

Inferno, stop antagonising.  It's annoying.

                  Prays to god its the album annoucement. Love to here it from Axl " Chinese Democracy is coming out _____ "

Either that or they've found Jimmy Hoffa.  Who knows which will come first.

when you type the url it just redirects to the artist direct website,so what's the big deal?

I?ll tell you.

It has never been useable since something happened with it back in 2001, and a big (OFFICIAL) red Chinese Democracy site opened upp.
But that was quick taken down........I guess many people don?t remember this.

There, enlighted?

Wow, didn't know that.  How long was it up for?

I remember this, it was up for about a week. When you type gunsnroses.com there was a page saying "Coming soon" with Chinese Design. But you could add some stuff in the link (such as gunsnroses.com/news ) to see the pages built. It looked pretty cool!

this is so absurd :rofl:
not excactly an ordinary band we're dealing with here, the total lack of communication with fans makes fans cling onto every little straw of home, lol :rofl:
i love it tho! : ok: only axl!

Why would they use a pic of the old band tho?  Wouldn't they wanna pic of the new band to move forward?

Well it hasn't changed, although it probably won't change (if it does) till this time in America, so that's a few more hours wait I guess.

...


it`s nothing official dude and there are no promo pics of the new band available to the public...

yeah, guess so. But it could also mean another 'redirection' another site.

I'm a little confused?

are people thinking this is an official site and the release date is about to be announced here?? ???

If so, why are they advertising unofficial product?

they are not adverstising. They redirected to the site.

Trust me..  Axl controls that site..  I think he even talked about it to some fans at a pool in Rio (2001).  I think they asked him about why he blurred all the old band members faces out in a photo on the site.. he had some comment about it.    Or maybe I'm just remembering things wrong.. it was 5 years ago.


/phoenix

well why would they do that?

is it just because it's never happened before?

could be something I guess

BigBoss from sp1at has thrown cold water on it

What he said? I can't see anything on splat.

Bigboss said:
"There will be no updates This is not an official move by GN'R"

Don't know.....who cares.... 11 days people untill they take stage! They'll surely 'talk' about 'stuff' there I imagine

 

Yeah... I hope so! :nervous:

I just wish they could put an interview with Axl like they did back in 2002. :(

Yes that was nice. We'll find out soon bro  :D Imagine reading the reviews and live blogs from NYC  :D  :nervous:

are you sure you're not thinking about the misconception that he has blurred out his AFD cross tattoo?
just a thought...

The picture thing with the old members really happened...I remember it when the site originally popped up. It was a pic from the SCOM video with everyone but Axl blocked out..ask darknemus.

I remember that too. It was just up for a very short while and not lal links on the site worked.




/jarmo

Exactly that:

gunsnroses.com is owned by the band, and is officially administered by them (and/or their management).

gnronline.com is owned by the label, and is officially administered by them.

I believe the artist direct site, as it stands right now, is more of a place holder than anything else.

The site has been dormant for years (literally)...not even having a resolving IP address.  Essentially, it was an address that pointed to nothing.

I don't think it can be a coincidence that it has suddenly sprang to life after all this time.

Anything will do !!!!!! :peace:

What else is weird is that everythink on that site is old gnr even in the listen section you can hear interviews from Slash from 1994-5. Yet under tickets thats the only real place related to the new guns where you can buy tickets for the 15th/17th new york shows (why just them two and not the other two dates?)

Still another 11 days probably before we hear anythink, oh the suspence  :hihi:

Couple more things:

1) I read what Big Boss said over at sp1at.  Everyone knows I like the guys over there, but....it just makes no sense that this wasn't signed off on by Axl and/or management.  I can't believe AD would, of their own volition, pull a 5 year old site addy out of mothballs, resurrect it, and redirect it to their content, all without some sort of approval from the owner of the site...web admins or not.

2) I've seen some people wondering about why it's going to the AD page.  My guess (and it's only that) is that it's a redirect for a purpose.  They wantedt to ensure that the web addy could successfully resolve "someplace" during testing, etc, before bringing new content live.  Most web developers do the same sort of thing prior to taking a site live.  Sort of a "dry run" of sorts.  It also could (depending on how things are set up) gauge some of the spike traffic that occurs after bringing the site back to life.

The site, itself, is about 7 years old, I think.? It's been up on AD forever, but hasn't been updated in about as long.

The "tickets" section is an RSS type feed, I think...which means it just does a search on shows with the artist listed and links to them.

lets not forget big boss is full of shit sumtimes. :D

Yeah you're right.? You had to type in gunsnroses.com/index? and it showed some type of menu with chinese stars as the menu bullets.? ?Then you clicked on pics and the SCOM video pic showed up with all of the members faces blacked out except Axl.

the pic where they are all sitting down?

No, the one where they are all standing up and playing.  It was an image from that.

all part of the mystery that is the new incarnation of guns n' roses... the day will come when we will have all the answers, and we will be very proud to have stuck by axl all these years! have faith in axl! :peace:

Hey have you tried that site in awhile.  Now it isn't redirecting you to that one site it was yesterday.  What the fuck is going on?





Hatts

It's taken me to the same site as yesterday.

umm... yes it is. It is still Artist Direct

I can't get to the page, actually.  AD is apparently blocked here, at work.  I did notice that YAHOO and GOOGLE (search on gunsnroses.com) actually are now returning the page as a search result...which, again, may be another reason to get it active prior to going live with new content, if that is there intent:

hmm i guess it's just not working for me.


"Slash is in my ass.  Go home fuckhead!"-W. Axl Rose


That rocks i have never heard that before.


Hatts ;D

So is there supposed to be some sort of update today?

Lets see....

BP at CD.com says yes.

Big Boss at Sp1at says no.

So, as with all things GnR...your guess is as good as anyone's.

:)

There is really no reason for them redirect it to AD as some sort of short term step in the process of bringing it up as an official site.

Except to generate sales through AD (medium/long term thing.)

I don't see why we'd see a temporary redirect.    But hey, I could be wrong.  To me it looks like AD agreed with someone at GNR/Sanctuary to generate some revenue.

I think that BEST case is that we'll see new tour material on there, once it kicks off.

Darknemus says yes.?

Today? The day is allmost over? kinda?

Can't be much longer.... 11 days.... can easily live thro that  :D

its only 12:04 pm. so  :hihi:

aah yes, different time tables. Damn, I thought everyone lived in Holland.  :hihi:

well there's different timezones you know ;)
but in LA time it's like 10:15am ain't it? still early morning.

Meaning it's only 9:13 in LA.

Oops, sorry.  Thought it was 12:13 on the East Coast.  So it's 10:15 in LA.

I don't believe he did.  He indicated that he thought that if anything was going to happen it might happen through the gunsnroses.com site.

I NEVER saw him indicate that there were changes coming today.

It's currently 1:15 on the east coast.

It's currently 10:15 on the west coast.

That being said we have 3 or 4 more hours of the work day on the east coast, and 6 or 7 more hours on the west coast,  for something to happen, if anything is going to.

Anyone got the pic that the site used ?

As I said.
That whole site-thing has been circulating once, and I?m sure someone has it on their computer...

No one that I've found...

And the way back machine (ie: The internet archive) doesn't even have an archive on the site, ever....

I *MIGHT* have those images archived somewhere mixed in with all the gnfr.com stuff I have.  I'll check when I get home.  Doubt it, though.

-darknemus

okay, relax howard. i assumed he did. relax. breath.

The activation of this web address has nothing to do with management.

Excitement killed.

Thanks mysteron....does that mean that Axl himself activated it? or it has nothing to do with GnR at all...

I'm relaxed.   Two weeks from now I'm seeing GNR!  I've VERY relaxed :)

it's been activated by Artist Direct, indeed... AD is reported as "tech contact" on the gunsnroses.com registration details

com' on Mysteron, give us something... anything will happen in the GNR camp till the NY / RIR shows?!? :peace:

Well, in February of 2004, Mysteron posted in this thread:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=3065bc4f0e379697afb5e1f16da206c8&topic=10660.0;prev_next=prev

Specifically referring to someone attempting to cybersquat gunsnroses.com - that case was filed in 2000.  My guess is that GNR won that case because you have this somewhat well known posting in 2001 over on guitarsite.com

http://guitarsite.com/newsletters/010219/16.shtml

That posting refers to the links (now dead) that had, among other things, the band pics with everyone but Axl blurred out.

So, make of this what you will - but unless something's changed with that domain between 2001 (when, btw, the WHOIS listed ArtistDirect as the technical contact, even then) and now.. (and I can't imagine GNR would 'sell' gunsnroses.com.  And if they did, ICANN rules would require the WHOIS info to match the legit owner, regardless).. I think there's something to this.

My opinion only, of course.

-darknemus

Found another post in regards to the website.  This time from Usenet.  It has the original WHOIS info that i'm assuming Jeff Burgar registered the domain with.  (Before GNR presumably took it over via the lawsuit in 2000)

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr/browse_thread/thread/948a7ab425d78ea1/8b7dbc55c2071a71?lnk=st&q=%22Jeff+Burgar%22+gunsnroses.com&rnum=1&hl=en#8b7dbc55c2071a71

Notice it was Jeff Burgar who registered it at the time.  The guy is apparently a well known cybersquatter and pretty much loses every case that someone brings against him in regard to claiming back their domain names (which is why I'm assuming he lost the case to GNR - I honestly don't know for sure if he did or not.. still researching)

-darknemus

old too i think.
http://www.blistering.com/news/newsdet.php3?ID=724

So, on the other hand www.gunsnrosesonline.com changed again?. I totally lost track - wasn't that the site that had the new logo first in high res, what lead to some speculations?

wow check out the site now, it's totally different!

I'm totally serious this website is really different. check it out now!

Nice!

Looking now.. That is slick.

As I said. But - what do we know about it?

edit: Hell. it's pretty.

so let me get this straight. This *might* be official?

Don't know:  gunsnrosesonline.com links to gnronline.com as "official site #1" and to gunsnroses.com as "official site #2" ?

But it doesn't say anything about itself. :confused:

It's just so odd - The site is super slick and detailed... but still a mystery. And that artwork is hella nice.

www.gunsnrosesonline.com is NOT official. It is a FAN made site from a dude from Belgium

The site your looking at is 'old' design. Meaning he had it there before. And yes it looks great but it's not official

In all threads before, the conclusion always was "not official".

But damn, it looks professional. And there is space left for interesting stuff.

Hmm... that's all I can say. If they were to have a new official one this is what it should look like lol.

No it's a fansite

gunsnrosesonline.com is fan-site (it was said some million times)

i dont think is from the GNR camp. if you read the biography you'll now why.

It's getting to the point that this needs to be a sticky on the main GNR page here. 

indeed...

Mysteron i got another question.

How come Doug Goldstien is listed as the Administrative Contact when you do a domain search?

 :hihi:

and the only belgian i know to run a gnr fansite was belgiandemocracy.com , and that dude gave up years ago!!!
sorry, but i don't think it's someone from belgium (unless of course, it is me :hihi: IT ISN'T btw!!!)....

Easy answer:

Because no one has updated the registration/who is info in a dogs age.

You don't have to....as long as you continue to pay your renewal fee....you can leave the old info there and never change it.

thanks pilferk....that's what i suspect too....but thought I'd ask anyway : ok:

Ok, we need to be clear here, folks:

www.gunsnroses.com is owned by Axl Rose. ?It is officially the band's site.

www.gnronline.com is owned by Universal/Interscope/Geffen. ?It is the labels band site.

www.gunsnrosesonline.com is owned and operated by a Belgian fan. ?It is a fan site! ?You can confirm that with a quick whois check, among other things (combing through the way back machine/ internet archive).

Yeah, gunsnrosesonline.com even uses Belgian Name Servers.  The site is hosted in Belgium, apparently.

-darknemus

that doesn't say anything about who owns it does it??

I really don't think it a belgian, doesn't anyone know him??? isn't that strange for such a big fan, if he made this site, he must have made some other gnr related art???

i dunno, something smells fishy (and your mom is already gone  :hihi:)

www.gunsnroses.com seems down.... at the moment......so is chinesedemocracy.com........? Or is it just my server or something.?

It?s working fine! As always!

But GUNSNROSESONLINE.COM is whacked........really whacked right now.
Take a look.

gunsnroses.com came up fine for me.

I emailed him a LONG time ago (in late '02 or early '03) and got a response.

The registration information has not changed in all this time.

Even then, he had been mucking with Flash content on the site.

You could try to email him at webmaster@gunsnrosesonline.com  I'm pretty sure that was the email addy (or something like it) that was up oh so long ago.

Registrant:
   Domains by Proxy, Inc.
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   15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
   Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
   United States

   Registered through: GoDaddy.com
   Domain Name: GUNSNROSESONLINE.COM
      Created on: 19-Oct-02
      Expires on: 19-Oct-06
      Last Updated on: 19-Oct-05

   Administrative Contact:
      Private, Registration  GUNSNROSESONLINE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
      Domains by Proxy, Inc.
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   Technical Contact:
      Private, Registration  GUNSNROSESONLINE.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
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   Domain servers in listed order:
      NS1.BENESOL.BE
      NS2.BENESOL.BE

Yup, and look at the domain servers.

Same place they've always been.  Belgium.

The fact he used domainsbyproxy when he renewed his registration doesn't mean all that much.  Lots of people do, now, with the new regs.

If you're talking about the email addy...the contact addy I gave was one I remember being ON the site, not in the registration info.

yes i was thinking about that.  ;)

Yeah, I remember it being webmaster@gunsnrosesonline.com or admin@gunsnrosesonline.com

Something like that.

And it was listed on a link at the bottom of one of the home pages, I think....like a contact link.

Though it could, also, have been through the forums (which existed back in '02) and his profile there.

Do Belgian people not have Internet access?

www.gunsnroses.com.br

"featured news: More Promises From Axl"

not the "article", but the update at the site.... sorry, but this site is official for the band togheter with gnronline?  ???

It's not .com.br, dude! :P

But I saw that on ww.gunsnroses.com. Nothing much, just the billboard article.

oh yeah, is gunsnroses.com
my mistake

That post makes no sense whatsoever.