Here Today... Gone To Hell!

before we get into someone saying I am wishing axl bad or he's into vr lets go back and say we are ALL axl rose fans otherwise we wouldn't be here... So lets not kid ourselves and say someone is being negative and say lets look at history.. I see tons of european dates which for some reason don't worry me, but when I think of axl being the healine of a tour I really worry that if he fucks this thing up with storming off or coming late which causes a riot that unless he reunites with original lineup his window of oppurtunity has pretty much closed with CD and new gnr..  So shoot from the hip, are you at all worried about someone who has been very flakey just coming back and not having history repeating itself..? So take your devotion to axl that sometimes blinds one and be realistic for at least this topic and express if you worry a bit..  You know after 2002 whoever is promoting them will be watching very carefully, and something can be done prematurely... It's really something to consider.. Will axl survive a world tour ?

very worried!  :nervous: Especially, without a press release from the band yet.  But being in an outport area where it's impossible I will get to see GNR live, I'm more concerned with GNR not releasing any material.

now way he is going to do that bullshit he did in 02 calling a cd workd tour with no album also hurting ticket sales.. he may just talk about cd on the european tour and play some new tunes then wait until the homecoming for the actual album..

Nope, not worried at all.

You heard it hear first, Axl will fuck this tour up....again.  If you're not concerned then you are a moron, my friend.

Nope.


I'm certain he can turn up to the shows and sing.

Nice...

You do know insulting other members is against the rules, right?

 ::)

I'm not concerned....and I'm certainly not a moron.

I know everyone is entitled to their own opinions but I mean if you've beena  gnr fan you have to have some serious concerns.. No doubt he can sing his ass off when he makes it, I'm only telling you it only takes one big time fuck up and it could end in a flash

No, seems like they really want to do these shows.

Compare the handfull of shows in Europe and Asia in 2002 to this full tour.


So I'm not more worried about the shows than any other shows I've attended.


Most artists cancel shows at one point (for being sick, natural disasters, problems with the security, ticket sales etc), not just GN'R. But let's hope this one runs smoothly so we don't have to read this kind of threads in the future.





There was a press release in 2002 and they still cancelled shows. Just because there hasn't been a press release, doesn't mean they don't want to play the shows....



/jarmo

Been a GnR fan for the better part of 20 years, now.

I'm not worried.

For  precisely the reasons you ARE worried.

I know Axl knows what's riding on this.

This IS, IMHO, the last Train to Clarksville.  He'll be on his best behavior because of that.  I'm less worried about these shows that I have been about any set of shows GnR has ever done, I think.

Im with Jarmo on this one but still GNR is not your regular band, everyone has cancelled a show here and there but Axl has a reputation you know, so im worried about that "gnr factor" but im sure the plan is to make it as perfect as possible so someone in the USA will take them.  :peace:

Definately not worried now, Im positive all the guys including Axl really want's to play these shows and get back on top of the rock world.

I am the same as you bro, been there all those years, I also felt axl was well awaire of what was riding on this back in 02.. We all know axl could have all the best intentions but not end up following through.. ?When you have a bad track record you can mess up even if it's not your fault and fuck yourself ?Kind of like the boy that cried wolf..

A question to all of those who are very confident that the shows will go as planned: Were you worried at all during the middle of the 2002 North America tour?  If so, why?

I'm not really that worried. Judging from the mood Axl has been in lately and my feelings of what is going on, i think this tour will be Really Great!!!!!!

I wasn't really worried in 02 either. I thought that vancouver was really out of the band's control so I was pretty shocked to hear about the philly show. There is more to what happened that we know right now, I hope we find out some time ??.

bro I was never more confident in axl then the night after the msg show...  :'(

to be honest, im not really expecting an album, EVER, and im not too confident on him doing all these dates or ever getting around to doing some usa dates. im just being content with whatever the internet gives me, anything else is a bonus.

During the Asian and Euro portions? No.

During the US tour? ?Yes. ?Not at the outset, but fairly quickly (I chalk Vancouver up to bad weather and an antsy venue).

Largely because they were struggling to put butts in seats in most of the venues, were not close to selling out most of their shows, and I knew they were getting a decent sum of money from CC. ?I couldn't see CC willingly bleeding the money to foot the bill for a tour that wasn't drawing. ?

And I still think the no show in Philly, and the resultant tour cancellation, had something to do with all of the above...

do you think it was a reality check to axl that he needed an album and his past work couldn't carry a  tour alone..?  I know his plan was to tour like the illusions, there's an interview out there, I would lvoe to re read it again if someone has it..

Hmmm...I'm not sure he didn't expect it, at least partially.  I'm also not sure the initial plan was to tour without an album to support them, but....well, obviously that's what happened, for whatever reason.

I think what it came down to was negotiations over finances (or renegotiations) with CC that ultimatlely killed the tour (and the Philly show).  But that's just a pet theory, on my part.

Well axl did tell kurt loder you would see cd but not soon.. tour go back do more recording and whatever else.. I know there is a better interview that described how this tour was to go.. 2-3 year tour, drop albums, etc

I mean even before the VMA performance.  The CC negotiations, and initial tour planning, happened quite a bit before that.  I think, during THAT process, that the plan was to tour the US, and have the album drop during the tour.  But, for whatever reasons, that didn't end up being the case by the time the VMA's rolled around.

I wouldnt be spending nearly $800.00 to go to Ireland if I didnt think Axl wasn't going to show up. ;)

as jarmo said, this is a full-blown tour, not just limited dates like 2002-it speaks to me that axl is serious this time. i question if he really was  in 2002.

,id be more worried about any US shows than europe anyway- i think axl has an easier time getting through those b/c he is still looked at a little better in europe than the States, and IF they come around to the States without a new album (which I doubt) i'd be very suspect about buying tickets.

look, axl may be very erratic-but he ain't stupid-he skips out on anything here or behaves badly and he gets no more chances at making money anywhere ever again. as much shit as he has out fans, bandmates, etc. thru, i just dont see him replicating it this time around. this is it.

I'm not really worried about the European gigs or any other shows abroad... Axl and GN'R have always been more "comfortable" overseas... the only thing that scares me is that they seem to be packing a lot of shows close together- and I don't think that necessarily jives well with Axl's singing/performing style... I remember being at MSG in '02 and seeing Axl performing his ass off and wondering how the hell he was going to pull it off again 20 hours later in Philadelphia... The unfortunate thing is that Axl probably has ZERO room to even make routine (i.e. legitimate health issues etc.) cancellations at this point without there being some sort of shit storm.

As far as North America goes... I remain... and always will be scared to death.... that GN'R will be unable to complete a tour without something getting fucked up.... I think Axl really needs to stay overseas and build up momentum with CD so that we comes home he will be greeted as a conqueoring hero... and not by a bunch of skeptics and haters.

Fair question Mike. It has to be on all our minds...

anyone think he might be making tons of european dates because he's having trouble getting started with the american half..? Festivals at least there are other shows that don't put as much pressure on axl to do it alone.. Or do you feel it's build up for the states to get the word around? ?I wonder how axl will react with unruly crowds or individual fans..? Will he think twice or try to remain calm..?

If I lived in Europe and had purchased  tickets, I would be worried. But I don't, did not, and so I am not.

they key is getting the news out there bfore the crowd packs the place, gets drunks and waits around for two opening acts.. I have no problem if axl cancels a show, just give some notice.. if you fail to do that drag your ass in sick as a dog... We all go to work at times when we shouldn't be there because people are counting on us..

One month before "my" show in Sweden they will be playing in Portugal. If they don't show up then I'll be worried.

I'm not really that worried. I think it's different this time.

probably a little of both.

if im an american promoter, i dont book him until after he successfully completes his little jaunt in europe. but these aren't all festival dates-most are actually solo gigs...and how THOSE ones sell will probably be a better indicator to US promoters of what the viablity of the band is.

as for the crowd question- i imagine he'll think twice---i dont really recall him popping off at anyone (in terms of crowd members) much in 2002-seems his issues were more with the sound people, from what i recall reading in reviews by folks on this board.

Oh hell yeah I was worried. I knew that tour was going to be a disaster. No single. No album. Meaning no radio play or hype. You can't call it a Chiniese Democracy tour with no Chinese Democracy. And you can't have a nostalgia tour just on the GNR name when you're trying to establish this new line up as a band, and a new sound, but your basically just playing old tunes and not the "bands" music.

I don't think Europe will be a problem. Those shows had better responses then the ones here. He'll show for these...

Sounds like someone is pissed about the recent event and wants to spread negativity around supporters of the current band.

Well I'm not worried about it really,I mean sure they need an album out,but this would be a good year to tour,I think most people will buy tickets whether or not the album is out,but that would be cool if they did release a single or album,atleast that way people would be more willing to go to the shows,I really think there was some problems with the record company in 2002,I think Axl did want to release the album then,but maybe there was just some things that he wanted to work on or something,there's no need to be negative about this tour or whatever,but in the world of GN'R you never know what can happen  :peace:

It does not really worry me and I dont believe it will be an issue at all! To me things do seem different this time around, even though I was very excited about it all in 02. I believe the album is just about done now and its all very serious this time! I think the album will be out in May and that when the band have kicked arse in Europe they will then be ready to take on America again with the album doing all the promotion for the band and the positive feedback from their european tour! With regards to someone saying earlier in this thread about the fact that there has been no press release for these gigs really! I think that they are purposely waiting until all the dates have been announced and then they will give us a big official announcement about the gigs that will coincide with an announcement on the album release date. I think they are kind of drip feeding us with bits of info, gig announcements, axl appearences and then they will top it all off with the one big announcement to give us all the info that we have been waiting for! Mike

come on its axl rose of course there will be some cancelled show...as long as it's not a cancelled tour

As I've stated in the past, this tour absolutely HAS to come off without a hitch...There will simply be no US tour otherwise.  I am optimistic, but the fact of the matter is that we've all been around long enough to know that Axl's very best intentions often don't coincide with the reality of the situation.  He is very well aware of what is riding on this jaunt, as he was in 2002.  But what happens when he peers into the crowd and sees the first "Slash is King" sign or VR T-shirt..Will Uncle Axl remain composed the first time his monitor mix goes dead during the first verse of Brownstone?  It'll be intriguing, to say the least.

I may be a little worried about the adding of shows. That Axl intendend to do just a few shows and now it's started to be a bit out of control. Promoters and booking agencys getting all exited caving in to public demand and creating a tour Axl did not wanted. But I don't know how this works. The most logical thing I think would be if they check in with Axl every time they book a show, or even better if he is directly involved, wanting to play all the extra dates and is flattered and inspirerd by this hughe public interest. Would be a disaster if he "reads about the tour on the internet". :nervous:

Excellent point Sillything. I hope to God Axl is "in the loop" on all these added dates. He only mentioned European festivals in the RS interview didn't he? :nervous:

Not worried at all and am 100% confident the album will be out after these Euro dates. 2002 didn't go as planned and no way Axl could make the same mistake twice.

In answer to Booker Floyds question.. actually ask anyone and I am one of the most positive Axl supporters on here.. yet in 2002 I didn't take a lot of interest for some reason.. well I did.. but something in my head just knew that it wouldn't finish the the CD wouldn't come out. Maybe it was the VMA comment and I just knew it would be years not months.

I'm 100% confident this time. No way Axl would go out without knowing for sure this time.

Merck could get fired :hihi:

So, some of you guys actually think that axl doesn't know about some of these dates.

Please... :-X

i think its crazy to think Axl doesn't want to do all these shows... how could he not be involved here??!

Yes.

axl knows about these shows-this aint 2001.

It's happened before...

I don't think this needs to be an all-consuming fear that we should have... but there's always that little 10% "X factor" with Axl and GN'R that tells you ANYTHING is fucking possible... both positively and negatively... it's part of the reason they're so damn compelling... but keep your seatbelt fastened at all times. : ok:

Yeah, back then technological limitations impeded his ability to find out about his shows. The winds did not favour the smoke signals and the carrier pigeons got lost.

 :rofl:

ane let's not even get started on what happened to all those telegraph messages.... :hihi:

i havent the slightest idea why axl decided to not go to those shows at the end and canceled all those shows. But im not worried now its a new year no bucket and a new cd coming out, axl will be at all the shows he says. Im not worried one bit.

if this IS the comeback, he WILL make all the shows, his future depends on it.

If I had tickets to any of these shows I would be worried about him showing up....

to say this isn't 2001 or 2002 would be suspending reality b/c back than, he hadn't been from in 8-9 years, what makes this any different

he didn't have an album out?  he still doesn't.

What is so negative..? is this your firstt ime as a fan of anything involving axl.. It's called being realistic.. What do you want everything wrapped in sugar... It has nothing to do with what recently happened.. i could give a fuck, that's between them not me..

well not very much. i think this tour will be different than the last one. and you know, you can never predict what's gonna happen, especially in GNR world.. and if a show will get cancelled, so what.. there's no gnr tour without cancellation. of course i dont wish anyone who has been waiting for so long to see them, to stand behind closed doors... but i think he will make at least 99% of the shows this time... this is the start of chinese democracy, and he's not going to ruin it...

since im not going i wont be very very dissapointed but i want him there

No i'm not really worried, I've got a feeling he really means it this time and that there is a 'plan' in place. I think it's safe to say at the very least the european tour has been planned for a little while now, it's clear in the RS interview from January that he knows he will be performing live this year. The only problem I can see right now is the Download festival. Unfortunately it's early on in the list of tour dates so the band might be still a bit rusty and they will be playing in front what could be potentially be a very hard crowd to please. With Download traditionally being more of a metal festival anyway I'm not sure how well Axl and his piano will be received. Hope I'm wrong though. Of course an actual album newly released might tame the crowds a bit  : ok:     

im not sure but was very disapionted last philly no show. :rant:

i'm not really worried about it, but i won't be surprised if shows do get cancelled. it is GnR ya know.

Part of the excitement of GN'R live is the anticipation is knowing the risk you took in buying a ticket.
You could have an Axl meltdown, walk off, or a no show, riot, get yelled at, ect.

I just hope if he does cancel anything, there is at least a few days notice.

worried as hell. 

I agree to some extent, there is some excitement to the madness.....but thats easy for me to say since I have never experienced a GNR no show.

I don't think he'd poon out at MSG.  We were too good to him last time.

I agree with you there. I can't see this tour as anything else except The Comeback... the beginnings of it at least...

I think he'll call in sick on Mondays and he'll be late for Thursday shows and he'll simply skip all the Saturady shows. This will go on for about a week and then the tour will be scrapped. :P

Serioulsy I have doubts. I have huge hopes as well so I guess we'll wait and see.

You can never be sure about anything in life, but I'm really hoping he will show up, I havent seen him since 1993, so for me it will be a very rare and special moment, and as much as I love the old band I want to give the new one a chance, and I have to see them live to be able to make an honest opinion about them.

Im so psyched to see the video from the first show but i wont be traveling overseas to make it. The internet will bring Axl to my bedroom? :-* :nervous: :crying:

Yeah, I'm shit scared,

(to hear his voice and be disapointed that's the first thing)

But like some of you, I'm scared that he brings back his old bad habits... like showing up late or not showing up at all...

On the other hand, he knows that if he is fucking up things one more time, promoters will never work with him again right ? :no:

Think I'll be scared until I see him onstage ;D

The fact that extra dates are steadily being booked seems positive to me.

Like they're confident. A nice little tour is taking shape here, and if the plan is to do this tour as a precursor to a CD release and US tour, I think thats the right way to tackle it.

A) announce release date
B) Do European tour, gain momentum, garner more press,provide some band cohesion, hopefully picking up some solid reviews whilst winning back some confidence in GNR as a realistic and reliable touring entity
C) release CD
D) tour US


that would be smart.... and hopefully...

E) come to Australia and NZ Big Day Out 07  :drool:

remember people book shows and tours with best intension, no one wants their tour to blow up in their face

You'd have to optimistic to expect all of these dates to be fulfilled. There are so many things that can go wrong, and Axl and the other band members are going to have to deal with a fair few hecklers.

It'll be a major achievement to get through the tour with no problems along the way.

Am I worried about them not showing up? Of course I am.
I've had tickets for 5 GnR shows in my life between 1991-2001, and 4 of them got canceled.
Now I got tickets for both Stockholm and Oslo.

If they dont show up this time, I'm gonna burn my entire GnR collection...

But when that is said, I do believe Axl and co is gonna come through this time around and give us some awesome shows.....

-Eirik

One question: what's the name of the tour? Chinese Democracy World Tour 2? Round 2? Or what?

we will find out once its offiically announced, might just be world tour 2006 or something

The 2006 Leaks Tour

'People will hear music this year' world tour  :hihi:

well, i hope he no-shows at the show you have tickets for so  you can get a 1st hand feel for the excitement : ok:

I had my share in Philly

i'm a betting man, so i look at it this way...

if i HAD to bet $$$ and choose one of the following:

A. GnR play all 14 shows

OR

B. GnR do NOT play all 14 shows

i'm playing the percentages and going with choice B.  :hihi: 

This is his last chance. Fuck it up and its over. Doesnt matter who is to blame for the 2002 tour..it will in the end fall on Axl no matter what.

He will show up now. Good and ready. Dont worry.

If he dont and cancells the whole thing, Ill eat my GNR shirt.

I am. mainly because everything is going in so small scale, no official announcement or anything? just suddenly theyre reporting concert dates...
Just feels like they want to keep everything in a very small scale.

I still don't get why no one is promoting the tour dates?? I mean who the fuck announces all those dates then doesn't even speak of anything? Not axl not the band not management.. Guess everyone is worried about slash coming by axl's house :hihi:

yes I know gnr or axl or however it works is really big in europe and reputation can be selling the tickets, I just think it would be cool to see the band doing something or cd talks.. This should be a big time for these guys who have been waiting forever, get the band together and lets do something already, speak

well, if you take the % of shows that were played vs scheduled for the 2001/2002 tour dates, I predict Axl will play 6 of the 14 scheduled dates......

luckily, I'm in the US and won't be tempted to buy tix.  I sure as hell wouldn't fly across the Atlantic to go see them.  Imagine, flying all that way just to have him no-show.

I say that b/c some chick flew from the UK to see VR on NYE at the Starland.  I wonder if she'd do the same for the nuGnR :hihi:

If it's a comeback tour he better be smart enough to have a album out.  If he doesn't have CD out it will kill the band. 

how come no one is curious as to why there are all these tour dates and we haven't even seen a offical lineup yet or  a band poster to hang for publicity....  Is the management and axl going to promote this this only on reputation of gnr from the past?

Because we're used to this stuff. And who knows, maybe there are going to be some surprises as to who will be playing for them.

how can you be use to it, how many last time comebacks does axl rose make with a new band without any albums with tour dates?

It happened before (2000, 2001, 2002),. And how do you know it's the last time comeback?

We're still a few months out, but I agree, the lack of promo shots/posters etc. sort of implies that Axl's resting on his laurels, which the die-hards know he isn't.  But Joe Public?

do you really think after this long lay off axl is going to just play a few shows then disappear.? I mean if he doesn't do something this time around with CD he is bound to just loose some band members.. In 01-02 it was different, that was the fuck up, this time CD has to come out

Yeah but he didn't do any shows in 2000.

I just figured they would all be dying to play and be out and about talking singles or the album.. I keep forgetting axl owns the gnr name and has the luxery to be lazy about promoting being the name will do all the work.. Maybe it's just different over seas..

Because...GNR doesn't play by the rules or does things in the way that traditionaly bands go about promoting, album releasing and so forth.   It's hard to answer questions like these.

gnr :hihi: you mean axl..? It's supposed to be a new band making it on their new songs and shit, not just saying gnr will be somewhere and letting the name do all the work.. Not everyone heard leaks or knows the lineup.. I just think it's being started off poorly

I mean Axl..but with him comes along the GNR band.   That's exactly what it seems...he is letting the name do the talking.  These are festivals so he is prolly banking on the fact it will be packed anyway.   I bet he starts promoting when he goes out to headline.

I agree with everything you are saying, one would just think something about cd or the new lineup would be going on... I know the shows will do great and axl will get butts in the seats just because gnr is listed on the bill.. Maybe I just don't feel the excitment.. When people are ready to tour after huge delays and no albums they are usually pumped and interviews are flying around.. This is so blah.

Agreed!!!  It's kind of sad to think how damn excited we all got at 2 second clip of Axl at the Soprano premiere.    Damn we are soooooooo starved :hihi:

2 seconds, I've seen still pics that were longer :rofl:  being we live in teh usa maybe the approach we are use to is just not the same .. just so much is riding on CD for axl personally.. I mean at this point who cares if slash was over your house, give a damn interview about music and tour plans.. I mean if I didn't belong to this forum I wouldn't know anything about what was going on, especially all these tour dates popping up around the globe

Its very simple...they are not done booking/confirming some other tour dates. When that is completed Im positive we will get a press release regaring the tour and the state of GNR....

who cares about a band poster? All that stuff will happen when they do promos for the album. DO you think a pic of this band will sell concert tix? And from what Im seeing most of the shws are selling quick. SO who cares? The europeans know the state of GNR, and they are ready to support the new band...

I will worry about Axl and GNR when they hit the states. If they do another singleless/albumless tour again, then that sthe most idiotic thing they can do. SO I doubt theyll do that.

The press release will take care of all of your "concerns"



No1 is saying anything because there i snothing to say about albums and singles at this time. Its very simple logic.
If the GNR name is such a big help, or all the help this band needs how come it dodnt help during the 2002 tour? Cant have your cake and eat it too...

WHEN ITS TIME TO PROMOTE CHINESE DEMOCRACY THEY WILL PROMOTE CHINESE DEMOCRACY....that includes, interviews,pictures,press releases, tour schedule, single,albums,video.....its a very simple thing.....down the stretch we come

I don't think he's resting on his laurels in response to the lack of interviews, band photos, etc.  Management knows that the "aura" and "mystery" around Axl Rose and this new incarnation of GNR is at an all-time high.  I believe Management intends on milking this mystery around GNR for all it's worth.  But all of this mystery won't mean a damn thing if there is no album and Axl doesn't show up or shows up late.  There's too much music by great bands out now and nobody is gonna put up with it.  Look at 02 for examples.  As much of a fan as I am, I'm not going to a show if he pulls the same crap he did in 02.

Guess what? You already got your wish, it happened to me in '93.

Oh, and sicne you're being mean about it;
 You were in Philly '02? Ahahahahah.
Just kidding.

unless someone gets ill and the tour has to be cancelled i don't think axls going to want to blow this chance, hes going to know this one has to be the big one and if nothing comes out of it he might lose his last chance to dominate the world of music again as people will just lose interest in him, hes got all the hype up about him now and all of a suddon they are touring again, hes not going to waste this oportunity they might release another greatest hits first but im sure this tour will be a great success and end with cd on its way :) maybe even before the tour ends

I think Axl will play most of the shows ? and he will cancel some. I think he will play the first half of the shows ?and ditch the second half . If Axl releases the album during the tour and the album is great and has positive feedback ? then he might complete the tour. ?It all depends if Axl is in a good mood. Remember all it takes is for something to upset Axl on May 26 (one day before the first show) ?and this whole tour is over. ? Hopefully the album released date is announced within that time and the single is well received, because if none of this happens ?this tour will not last more than 5 shows ? ?mark my words. ? ? Touring is kryptonite ?to Axl . ?

Am I worried? Hell yes...

I wouldn't spend a thin dime to travel overseas :no:. Axl has a TERRIBLE track record, and zero respect for his fans. This is the same turd that failed to leave in time for the Montreal show, and after that...fail to show in Philadelphia. ??? 2 ARENAS "FULL" OF FANS...COME ON. He has not been very reliable, and nothing seems to point toward a more respectful person at 44. Although, I will be the first in line to buy CD if it hits shelves, and I will go see Guns in Cali, I will not however buy a ticket before the day of the show...will get 1 in the lot.


Going to see some old lady in the desert is not going to fix what ails Axl. He is a childish, self absorbed, disrespectful adult who has "yes" men all around him. He pays to make sure of that...these are not opinions, these are facts.

my question is..how many of this shows are gonna be broadcasted pro-shot on T.V..? How many pro-bootlegs will we have after this tour?  :beer:

well, and my question is how many of this show will really happen. I smell problems :P

I didn't mean like a poster you hung in your room, just something official that lets someone know who;'s in the band, let them know what gnr is going to be there..  The name thing you said about 02 just isn't the same in the states..  It carried shows in nyc. Even if something with zero publicity put 10k worth of people in the seats with zero actitivty in ages that is something else.

You could be right about they already know in europe abou tthe band situation, it's quite possible.. The people there follow gnr much closer??  Just not here thought.. Amazing how ine band can be huge or remain huge in one section of the world while another knows nothing about it..  I always hear about robbie williams even though I don't know who he is, yet I hear he is huge overseas, or Oasis is a huge rock band in the UK (well that's what I read) a band that had  afew hits in the usa. but no one knows anything about what they are doing now.. Fucking weird how certain bands are followed so tightly in different parts of the world..

I just rather axl chat about these things then to hear about what slash is doing..   I think it would hav ebeen cool to give somewhat of  arelease time for cd overseas to know you are seeing a band that is definetly going to release material, plus it's a new band at least a single or video would be proper before they take the stage from rio on..

Well, if Axl keeps refusing to take this band seriously and not taking any band pics for the public to identify with them, then thousands of people will be yelling for Slash, Duff,etc.  He is promoting this tour using pics of GNR from the 80's/early 90's, and its not going to help things at all. He will probably get so pissed at the slash chants, he'll just walk away from the whole tour. He's done it before, and can do it again.


Something similar might have been said in this thread. I havent looked through this whole thread. I figured it would just turn into a Guiliana Lofton bash, so I hadnt bothered posting.


I decided to go ahead and add another dose of reality to the discussion. :hihi:

Good point. They book a big Euro tour, and the only places talking about the tour is HTGTH, Sp1at, and a few other forums.

I'm not worried at all. I went to London and Leeds in 2002. No worries at all.

I'm going to Lisbon and Madrid in 2006. No worries at all.

If shit happens, well shit happens, I'll see Portugal and Spain, 2 very beautiful countries. Not to mention Rome on the way back...

But I'm pretty sure that this time, people will get to see GN'R, and most of all listen to new music.

would be nice/cool but its not affecting ticket sales in Europe. They are selling fine.

Its not so much that Europe knows the GNR sitation better than people in the US. I think the GNR situation is well known by the average rodk fan worldwide right now....its more of the European fan being more supportive of Axl and this new band. The European sows will sell out and be no problem.

I agree. We all want a press release regarding the single,album,tour,band etc....theres no doubt we will get that soon.....but at the same time, if Axl has something to add to the old gnr situation then I would like to hear it....but ultimately I want him to be focused on this new band and album

Your acting like its over and the shows are next week. We will get a press release dont worry. Let eveyrhting work itself out first. The people are gonna go whether there is a press release or not so its not a big deal.

Although, I dont think it makes sense, the band can get away with not having a single/album out for the upcoming Euro tour. But if they try that when they hit the states I think it will be the most idiotic thing they can do...and I doubt theyll do it...CD is right around the corner....

Who are you to say Axl isnt taking this band seriously? If he wasnt taking this band seriously then we would have had 4 new gnr albums right now. He would be releasing album after album just to use the gnr name without dedicating his focus n the music. Thats not taking the gnr name seriosuly
 What are your credentials? Besides being MR reality...You guys are acting like little girls with this band pic stuff. Of course it would be cool to see some pics. But we are not gonna get anyphotos until the promos of CD come. Its not that hard.

People are well aware of the band situation. People know, especially now, that the band they are gonna see is minus Slash and company. If Axl was so worried about the Slash chants then he would address the situation or issue a band pic. Its not a big deal. People are gonan stir things up at a concert whether theres a pic or a tv show about new gnr it doesnt matter....

I think you just need a messageboard reality check

Since all you seem to be able to do is be a fucking smart ass whenever you say something to me, I'm not even responding to your posts anymore.


Dont even waste your time replying to this.

ok

It wasn't being mean, it was being sarcastic ;D

there's a difference :hihi:

I also don't find Axl's unpredictability exciting :o

if/when I pay $100+ for a concert ticket; the least the band can do is show up for the show

Otherwise, I'd rather spend my money and time elsewhere

Axl's not the only one that likes strip clubs :rofl:

I know someone made this thread, cant find it.

who here, HONESTLY, is not worried about Axl making all of these shows? the back-to-back nights are scary, i really hope this all goes well, but whats different this time around compared to 2002 and 91-93?

I think its a bad move by management.  There's NO REASON to play back-to-back nights. This band is HUGE enough in name, it doesn't need to "tour like crazy" to build its name.



of course, i hope this kicks ass. im just worried.

Even The Stones do back to back shows as well as U2.  Back on the last European tour GNR did back to back shows.  I'm sure Axl can handle it.

The perils of rock n' roll decadence.

It is a little nerve racking... that being said... they haven't exactly been the most active band the last few years... and having shows one right after the other does give the band the chance to bounce back from a bad night (and the resulting shitty reviews) with a kick ass performance the following night... if they can keep the schedule... they should be a pretty well oiled live machine by the end of this summer...

i feel you bro, i am worried about Axl touring so hard as well, i'll never bee sure to see them before i actually do see them, you know what i mean..

btw how exiting is that huh, it's actually brilliant! You get like two in one, first a fucking thriller drama, is Axl gonnu show??? Then a beautifull show, probobly the best one you've ever been to?? or if none of those, a classic gn'r riot!!

That said, i honestly think they are touring so hard for a good reason!!! Hopefully CD will be out sometime while they're out there and then they(gn'r) are going to need all the publicity they can get, which they'll get...

I mean, i think the hype is huge now, but is it going to be a fuckin' storm when the album drops, you bet.

im not anti-axl...i love the new music...what was played live..and the demos...
but i have my thought about axl finishing this tour at his 40's

well you can say rolling stones can do that at their 60's..but in the case of axl is different
you know that when he is unconfortable he can cancel a show...

i don t know guys..what do you think ?

but after the failed tour in 2002..i have my doubts.....  :confused:

I have all the confidence in the world during the european dates, but I have all the worries in the world when it comes to the states... I also believe something that could be byond his control can cause a premature pull of a show or the entire tour,... If axl is still the same it will be difficult for him to get through this tour unscaved

?????????????

Axl didn't have much problem with the 2002 dates in Europe and Asia.  But as soon as the band came to the US, the American media began taking their swipes at him; soon enough,  delays, cancellations and tantrums sprung up.  Axl seemed to lose focus at times, walking off in Detroit, turning up consistantly late for shows, then forcing a fateful confrontation with Clear Channel after MSG.

The band needs to keep their eyes on the prize, finishing the tour and releasing this album.

Me too!!!

Actually, I think they would tour all around the world before tour the USA!

Well, the last time GnR was scheduled to do back to back shows; the remaining 2002 tour got cancelled

I rather have the album before the tour, having it second worries me.. ANything on any given night can do a 180 on plans

I honestly don't see a problem with Axl completing this next tour. ?I realize he is not as predictable as we'd sometime like, but Axl still likes making money...as long as money is there and CC isn't trying to re-negotiate his cut (as was speculated last tour), I think Axl will have no issue with completing a successful tour. ?I know he has plenty of money, but this is a great time in his life to pad his bank account for the remainder of his career. ?Plus, if CD is well received, I would have to imagine that Axl is going ?to want to share it with the world. ?From what I have heard of the demos, I am confident Axl will deliver a strong CD, a good show for Europe and then mount a successful North American tour as CD hits the radio and builds quite a buzz.

I though this many shows was kinda wierd and maybee a bad idea but I have faith n Axl Rose and his ability to preform all these shows

I think you might be right, I just have been following axl n gnr my whole life and a leopard doesn't change it's spots/... The tour can fail and not be axl's fault.. Can anyone say Nov candian 1st show where the venue pulled the plug premature.. Either way that was 1 strike against axl..  I personally hope this time he gets toplaces witht eh band at least a day earlier.. To much riding on this to be taking the last flight..  Axl is alos the type that on one certain night an unruly fan can catch him in a relly bad mood and then hell can break loose..  Remember with axl showing up doesn't mean the night is a success... Only after PC orwhatever new closer is it ok.. :hihi:

I really hope GNR completes this tour, but who knows. ?I think 18 dates is too much to ask of a band whose lead singer is consistent on his appearances, a band that played about 20 shows in 01,02, there is still no sign of CD coming either. ?I think CD is the x factor to what will make GNR successful again whether the complete the tour or not. ?If they complete it and theres still no CD, I think people will be like who cares, however if they complete the tour and CD is released relatively soon, then everything will be a big success.

I remember rumours after msg was that he pulled the plug himself... That he saw what he needed and knew when the time was right it would all be good..

I think its very important for this band to do everything they can to re build the GNR reputation and to build upon their own reputation.  Outside of the 5000 members on this board, the current line up is relatively unknown, and the one person most people recognize, buckethead, isnt in the band anymore. so its important these guys get out and get themselves known.  At the same time, I do think back to back nights might not be the best way to go about it.  Releasing CD might help though.

I don't think that it was the case. CKY apparently alluded to a problem with Clear Channel; from what I have heard, there was a request by CC for a substantial flat fine everytime the band missed a show. Axl objected; CC called his bluff.

He may complete it but I'd say there's a 99% chance that more than 1 show will have "issues"

Legit


Im very nervous about the tour. My gut feeling says we have to get an album before the tour, but Im still very worried that one day ill log onto htgth and the dates will be gone

man, in some of those other countries, if axl were to pull his shit an end up causing a riot, his ass would be locked up for awhile. Let him fuck around in Ireland. Dave Mustaine learned the hard way you don't fuck around there. Maybe if Axl was held accountable for his actions in the USA he'd be less likely to act like an ass in the states.

I don't think every instance is Axl's fault, but he's no alter boy. The whole Vancouver thing- It's the first night of your first tour in 9 years, you make sure to have your ass there in plenty of time. Doesn't he show up to do soundchecks?
Look at it through the venue/promoters eyes. Here you've got a guy who is known to not show up to shows sometimes, showtime isn't too far away. People are arriving at the arena,again showtime is approaching, and the star of the show isn't there!!What the hell are you supposed to do? Do you take the chance of letting thousands of peoiple into your building, end up having to cancel the show and then people are super pissed- kinda like the philadelphia incident, and then the riot is inside your building.

Axl just needs to show a little respect in order to gain some respect. it's earned, not just given. i respect him as a great musician, but as a person, he has alot to learn about respect towards others (i.e. YOUR FANS!). this showing up late (if at all) shit is for the birds.

i'll be surprised if there are no cancellations on this tour.

hasn't this been discussed like thousand times since 2 weeks?

I think these dates that are planned will go off without a hitch. North America is when shit seems to hit the fan :-\

Sure there is... GNR may be a huge name, but to ALOT of people, its not who they grew to love(why should it be, we're ALL here because of the old members)...So I think Axl has to play in front of many people as possible, to prove himself and this band worthy...  I think it a great move in the fact that many people will get their socks rocked off....  Bad in the fact that Axl may cut out...

But why not do back to back nights?? Axl talked about touring for a LONG time when the album comes out... This will be a good way to get ready for the long road ahead..
     
As for manangement, they see it as money for making the album....

Axl will not complete the tour. I hope that I am wrong.

It is due or die time for Axl. He will complete the tour and I hope its a sellout for every show. I also hope the guys get a huge amount of respect from the press.  The only way the shows will fail if we loose a guitarist, or Axl looses his voice.

There is so much riding on this.  The record company has spent so much money on the cd, they're probably willing to do whatever is needed to make Axl comfortable and happy.  Wasn't there a rumor that Axl had a therapist with him in '02?  That's probably a good idea.  Someone to coax him into hitting the stage and talk him down when he starts to feel too much pressure.  Because the media and the haters are going to apply huge amounts of pressure.  Axl is a human being, and some people get a sick sense of satisfaction when someone fails.  I dearly hope that the tour goes off without a hitch and the cd hits number one when its released.  Axl deserves it and the fans deserve it.

Well it was not the press or if it was Axl shouldn't listen to all of the shit people have to say about him,if he uses the press as an excuse then that'll be really lame  :peace:

That maybe true but regardless, the tour didn't become unglued until it reached the States.

just about, and i'll pretty much agree again- axl will probably have no problem getting through europe-the ultimate test is the North America-he just cant fuck around this time and will probably have to take a rawer deal from whoever promotes them this time here, and he'll have to deal with it and live up to his end of the bragain or his credibility as a concert draw will go from a very low number currently to zero.

yeah I know what you mean,I guess tho Axl can cancel a show whenever he feels like it,it's his life  :smoking:

Yeah, but hopefully, they?ve learned how to play "Patience" this time around. Or rather replaced it with something else... : ok:

yeah I know what you mean,I guess tho Axl can cancel a show whenever he feels like it,it's his life? :smoking:

If he that's the case, than he shouldn't even bother going on tour.  The money people gotta pay for concert tickets these day, fucking $100/show.  The least the band can do is play a full set and not bitch about it.

If not, Axl can just stay in his hole on the Hills and keep re-recording CD,

i'm confident. axl will show up where i am. ha!

I have two tickets for the 12th but I wonder is this really gonna happen, its all to good to be true warm up shows in nyc,a summer tour in europe; its almost to good to be true..... ??? :smoking:

i hear u ... i have tix to the 15th, but all that means is im going to be in nyc at the hammerstein, its anyones guess if gnr will actually be there

so true gnr-now.

Of course they'll show.

If they don't, Axl's career is all but done...

I have tickets for the 14th, and i'm getting kinda paranoid that they might feel that one warm-up show was enough or whatever. But I have faith in Axl and I don't think he'll let the fans down on this tour.  : ok:

word. you cats on the 12th i think are safe. the 14th, i'm hoping, will happen (back off bitch is sure to happen mother's day!). i'm going the 15th too but really worry about this date the most. hopefully, axl holds the gigs to an hour-hour 1/2 each. he can't bang out 2-21/2 hour sets at this juncture...

he'll be there. like a previous poster said, he's done if he bails!

enjoy! : ok:

Look at it this way: He's already in New York - it's not like he can miss a plane or get held up at customs or something!

Yeah, and the Knicks aren't in the playoffs, so there's no worries of him attending a basketball game instead!  :hihi:

Ok, I'm sorry, I had to do that... it didn't actually happen, it's just fun to joke about.

I really would like to think he wouldn't bail on his fans, especially in NY since he's spending so much time here, I think Sanctuary has an office in NY, and I doubt club owners in NY would show their generousity to Axl if he bailed on the NY fans.

I would expect these shows, and for him to at least make the festivals in Europe, if not the few solo shows as well. I can't see him fucking up his chance here, because if he starts bailing no one is going to support a full u.s. tour, which has to be a goal of his at some point. I think he may be on good behavior for a while.

On behalf of my non-refundable plane tickets, hotel room, and me, let me say, "there's no way they'll cancel/no-show this time out. ?Too much time away, too much at stake in light of the last go around as well as all the European dates that are booked. ?It's just too damn important," even though, deep down, it's a concern. ?Given the music/leaked tracks, my faith in all things GnR has been significantly restored, and I can only hope that lessons have been learned from the last attempt out, and the 12th will signal the triumphant return of a GnR that is here to stay.

He won't cancel these shows.  Here's why: the audience for all these shows is not going to be some people who just think of GNR as some novelty band who sang "Paradise City", at least for the most part they won't be, the audience at all four shows (especially the first two) will be some of Axl's biggest fans.  These are the people who have been waiting over a decade for original material to come out.  The public itself is not all that interested in CD.  He knows that only the diehards are the ones who will go out that morning or whatever and buy CD.  Hence, the fans were given essentially first dibs on tickets to the NYC shows.  If he doesn't show up he's not screwing over some jackass who probably wouldn't buy CD anyway, he's screwing over his hardcore fans.  He cannot afford to miss any of these shows.

Can I just say that if I have to suffer through another night of people throwing cups of beer at my head & cops in riot gear, I will be really fucking annoyed.  Once was MORE than enough for a GNR no-show.  I have my doubts, as I agree it seems almost too good to be true, but I guess we just have to cross our fingers & have faith until the 12th!   : ok:

It is going to happen. I wish I had purchased tickets and was going. Those who are, are lucky. Enjoy.

I have a ticket to the 15th and I'm very worried.  I'd really like to trade it for a 12th ticket.

i never lost faith, but i'm certainly worried. this isn't some normal band we are talking about here, we're dealing with fuckin' axl rose! :nervous: anything could happen, who wouldn't be concerned? i have faith that he will make all the shows this time though. he simply can't afford otherwise in terms of his future career, seeing as he will be losing many a fan if he cancels. would be sad to see. i'm feeling more and more certain he'll be there, as time draws closer.

No, I don't think he'll be at any of these shows.. that's why I bought tickets to 3 of them. :hihi:

i have always looked at having tickets to a guns show like being in the lottery. im in, but im not automatically a winner. hence why i bought tickets to two shows. to increase my odds.

They will happen...........

same here :hihi:
not your every-day band, is it
and i love it ;D
history in the making, baby :beer:

why are you questioning if axl appears or not?

did he ever miss a show?

oh... nevermind

he'll be there : ok:

all we can do is cross our fingers.... im so excited!

Are you planing on recording these shows? Please do it and share it.  : ok:


 :peace:

axl should miss one of the shows- thats my suggestion :peace:

well,i bought a ticket for budampest show 59 E,i gopt viza for hungary 35E,i got hotel reservation 65E and i spent for oil to budampest and back 50E.Payement in Serbia is 250E

And my suggestion is you stand at the front doors of the venue and you explain to people who have spent their money and waited patiently that Axl doesn't feel like showing up and that your glad he hasn't, see how well they (don't) take it? : ok:

the formula is easy this time around:

show up x playing a good show + releasing the album = slam in the door of the music world and return as No. 1

or

not show up x not playing a show at all + not releasing the album = no more chances and GNR is over


i go with the first one  : ok:

I hope he doesn't show the next time you go to see them.  This way, you get to feel the beer and soda thrown in your face and get to duck the chairs as they fall from the rafters ;D

But hopefully, you aren't able to dodge them and get hit in the face first by a beer, than by a soda, and finally bashed in the face opening a huge cut on your eye.... :hihi:

I almost forgot about the people throwing chairs from the top - yeah, that was fun...

10+ hour drive for me......they better be there. On the other hand, my friends as I have come up with betting squares as to what time they will actually take the stage and we do have a "No Show" square thats already taken!

I truely believe they will happen and they will be a HUGE success. I have 0 doubt.

I think he has battles most of his demons and won. I don't expect many albums after CD whether it be 1 album or 3. I think that will be it for a while.

Same here, too much riding on them and so many booked for it not to happen.


I've got a 10 hour train journey, a cancelled holiday to Greece, a lost ?130 desposit and ?250 pound hotel room riding on it  ;D

Dude, you are hard-motherfucking-core. They had better let you backstage, you deserve it.

I would love to hear you got to meet him. I hope you have a great time!

With all the bullshit I've been through for this (one show for me) to get tickets, change my schedule, take vacation days, book flights, then change flights, book lodging, change the lodging twice, I really haven't had much time to worry about them not showing.   :-\   

That being said, I have confidence that 4 four shows are going to happen.   : ok:

I think we're all going through alot to make these shows. I hope that if there is some sort of snag (*really* late start time) that the crowd doesn't take it out on the venue or the workers there who have nothing to do with it.

Discuss

hasn't this already been posted?

Yes and Yes. Clear Channel will have learnt their lesson from the 2002 tour, the contract that Axl would have had to sign will be an unprecidented legal masterpiece, he wont be able to not do the shows!

End of topic!

Jonx

This time around, he wouldnt book the shows if he is planning on not doing them. He knows he cant afford another 2002.

No.  I don't think he's going to do ANY of them.  He just wants to tease the fans.


What a fuckin' dumb question.

Nope, I don't think he will. I think he just wanted to have a bit of fun and make a fool of everyone.

What kinda question is that, anyway?


I'm looking forward to seeing this thread locked.

I think Scott Wieland is going to fill in on half the dates

oh man where are the mods?? ???

^ On Vacation?  They need some time off sometimes

An AC DC cover band will show up instead of GNR  :hihi:

Of course they'll show up.

He'll show up :yes: He ain't stupid. If he doesn't, his career will go to oblivion :nervous:

great topic this one... ;) I don?t get why some of you think this is a stupid topic... I think we all got to be worried... if we?re planning to go to any of the concerts...
and guess what? lol I?m a bit worried u know? :( Of course that we can always think, the obvious, that if he doesn?t show up it will be the end of his career but again, what about 2002? Why did he do it? Did he prefer to going out at night, like he?s been doing now rather then performing to us? Cos if that?s what happened I hope he has changed his mind now. I really don?t see the point of a performer not showing up in his concerts...  But why is he not with the band, rehearsing? God isn?t that so important? Imagine going to a concert, if he shows up indeed, and he can?t even sing?  And if you are going to any concert of this tour I think you should be worried too. however, im not all pessimist. in fact, i?m the one who wants to go to RiR this year and whether u believe it or not it?s been like hell for me to find someone to go with me lol. I?ll explain... many of my friends (we?re pretty young, I?m 17) simply or don?t like Guns, or not even bother about them or worst some don?t even know who they are. Well, I could simply stay at home, watching the concert on TV but I just couldn?t stand it. Now comes my brother, he?s a great fan of the old GN?R and for him they just don?t exist anymore. For him, it was Axl who ruined the band and he can?t understand why he carries on with it... he thinks it?s stupid to waste like 53? to see an old, fat, with baseball shirt and ridiculous dreadlocks axl rose who does not even has a band as they?re changing all the time. Maybe he has the opinion of many of u, but as a fan he decided to give it a chance and we are both going. We haven?t bought the tickets yet cos we?re waiting for the NY concerts feedback as they?re very important, I think. lol guys I hope u understand my point of view and my worries... btw, you?re so funny, I?ve been visiting this forum for two months and I always laugh reading your posts... ;D : ok:

crosses toenails so he does show up

PSS to skies above : please.

I have no doubt in my mind that they'll show up. The time they go on is whats makin' me worry!

I really hope he does, thats a lot of money wasted otherwise

Life is to short to worrie about things all the time. Just take one day at time. I'm 100% sure theses shows will take place. 

Axl will show up, no doubt.  He knows what's riding on this, and also it seems that he's in good health and has been seen going out more times in the last 3 months than he has in the last 10 years.  According to the GnR camp, both the Philly and Vancouver shows could have happened, the only people who know the truth are the promoters and the band.  But no matter what happened then, I think that Axl realizes that there's a lot on the line and that he needs to show up at these dates

welcome to the forum, we all hope axl shows up but as a gnr fan you can never feel certain of a thing :peace:

All I can say is this: I believe.

pssss :

when the crowd waits for too long, they drink too much beer and smoke too much pot.

Then, they get excited and pissed ( drunk and pissed off) and it goes TROUBLE

I am not moralizing, i am just saying that axl is always the one blamed for everything, so could it be a good idea if he gave everyone a lesson of....timing ?

I just watched St. Louis '91 again last night and I was thinking about that whole thing again. Really, there was NO REASON for the crowd to do what they did at the end of that show.

Sure, he could take the fans into better consideration and maybe the pre-sales were the first step. Who knows, we may even get the worlds first 'on time' GNR shows too!

Oh if you only knew how i hope this happened.

Not because of us waiting , but because axl always gets blamed for everything and he takes it upon his shoulders to let eveeyone think what they want, but deep down, it's very unfair on himself.

Also, although i was young when it happened, there is a possibility that that st Louis incident was due to a nutcase. There are some about.

One male in particular. Cannot go on about it. He is here. And scary.

I? totally agree with you. I was seriously injured at a Buckethead concert during the toy give-out when some idiot rushed the stage and practically dislocated my shoulder. I posted about it on the Bucketboard and some of the people there posted the rudest comments!

Oh poor you !

Areyou okay going to concerts now or did it scare you ?

At pukkepop, i saw the cutest two little boys in the front row, and i prayed to god someone removed them before the concert started because i didn't feel too good ? ( instinct i guess)

And bang, at soon as our star walks on stage, i faint because a fight had started 12 rows back and people pushed and i almost crushed. Luckily, some fench fans lifted me and put their arms under mine and held me strong. i am very thankful. Very.

I also missed the entrance because i couldn't breathe anymore. Shame. I was going down, towards people's feet. I took a large breath in and managed to keep my control, but i was very panicky.

People on boards can be right idiots, can't they ?

I am going on the 15th and 17th, I'm just not going to fight for the front. I am little nervous but NOTHING can top seeing AXL LIVE on stage! :love:

I get you there !

I am going on the 20th of june in Paris.

I don't think i will go up front and will try to get a seated place because i now have a baby son to think about and cannot take risks with myself.

I bet your baby is adorable! Have fun in Paris!

Oh he is !!!

I didn't think maternity would make me as happy as currently am. Being a mum is what i needed. I have lost years being stupid and wondring if i could, if this or that, and too many ifs made me lose too much time.

Have fun on your dates too !!!

flakey funny you should say that huh.im not sure what to think or hope anymore with tours.