Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Sorry if there's been a thread on this I couldn't find one.

Just been listening to the new songs and I honestly feel they could have some serious success if/when they are released, knowing how frustrating it's been for us fans waiting for new music and then hearing how good the new music has the potential to be I can only imagine how hard this has been for the guys in the band. They've sat on this material for so long knowing how good it is and how successful it could be and yet it's never seen the light of day, which must be incredibly frustrating for them. Having all this material recorded and ready and then listening to the radio and knowing how much better your music is than most of the stuff on there, but for whatever reason it's not being released must be torture for a musician. I think all the guys in the band that have stuck this out deserve a lot of respect and hopefully they won't have to sit on this material much longer  :peace:   

yeah I am suprised they sat this long, but it's not a band it's session players hired to help axl create his ultimate album.. it's no difference then ozzy after sabbath just axl kept the name.. Just like BH could leave anyone could and it would go on.. They work on their things full time then come backw hen axl needs them.. A band has much more say, axl has all the say..

They're obviously not hired session players if they go out on tour. Just because they have no say when its gonna be released does not mean they have no say at all. Nine Inch Nails is a band that is all hire. Trent writes and records everything and then hires people to play it. Thats obviously not the case with Guns.

whatever you feel man, I know what it is... What band has zero material out and do all solo works, what band is never even seen together.. They aren't a band they are just pieces of a puzzle that fit.. Hired guns there to help axl create something...  I agree it's not the same as NIN's but it's not  a band..

I think that whatever the band members may or may not feel in terms of frustration, it's directly related to exactly how much each of them has personally invested in the band, in terms of time and contributions. ?So many people have contributed to recording this album, many of whom are no longer or never really were in the band, that it might not be quite a frustrating to them as it might appear from an outsider's (or in this case, a fan's) perspective.

Being hired to play someone else's songs is one thing, but actually helping to write and record part of an already-infamous album is something quite different. ?I'd imagine that, the greater the contributions, the greater the frustration and anxiousness that surrounds the new tour and eventual release.

A master's degree lesson in patience for those guys.  The fact that they stuck around all these years shows me that the material is just that good.

When people say Axl owes the fans this cd and tour, I say Axl owes the guys that have stuck with him.

In my world everything happens for a reason and the timing of this thing taking off this year seems perfect to me.

Guns N' Roses ARE a band...just not your traditional band.

I tend to agree and for me they are not what I'd call a true 'band', I used the term band simply because it made the thread easier to explain I wasn't trying to get into a band vs hired musicians debate really. All I will say is that once CD is out I suspect they may well become much more of a 'band' due to media pressure for them to be seen or interviewd together as a band. My view is this band needs an album without one all they really are is a glorified tribute band but I still feel these guys deserve some credit and respect considering how frustrating these past few years have probably been for them.

hired guns? . . . ha ha. they are a band whether you like it or not : ok:

Well, its not a normal band.  :hihi: I'll give you that, its not a normal band, but to say that they have no say and all of that, I wont agree with. Axl gives all the freedom to come up with the riffs and music. Its not like Axl is forcing to play only what he hears in his head. And the people that are in the band will tell you the same thing.

I'm not saying that you said this, but one thing that I hate is when people call this band the ever changing line-up. Cause its not. After Duff left, the last original member, it has been pretty much the same. Tommy's always been there, Dizzy's always been there, there was Josh, now there's Brain whos never left, Chris Pittman has been there since at least '99..he's listed in the Live Era booklet.  Robin's been there, left once and came back. Buckethead was there since 2000, obviously we know what happened there....then there's Paul, who was never gonna be a permanent member and now we have Fortus who has never left. So in reality, only 2 members have permantely left since the creation of the NEW band.

Oh, COME ON!

wrong,the original Guns N' Roses were a band,these guys in GN'R now are not a band they're hired musicians,sure they're great but they're not a band

WEll they arent full fledge members and can easily leave and someone else replace them. Axl is the only GNR member and one man cant be a band  :P

In music, a band is a company of musicians, or musical ensemble, usually popular or folk, playing parts of or improvising a musical arrangement on different musical instruments.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_%28music%29
 :hihi:

Good one, Frozen  :hihi:

Just cuz they get checks doesn't mean they're not a band. 

believe what you want,I don't care really,anyway the real fans know the truth

I know what you mean though

Just "hired" people? Then please, explain to me how you know that? We don't know what they are doing and what they're not doing as a band, so, I wouldn't say anything when I don't have the slightest clue about it.

Don't come with an argument that goes something like "They are never together", because you could say the exact same thing about the old band, from late 1991 they didn't work as a band anymore.

I'm absolutely not going into a "Old GN'R vs. New GN'R" thing here, if anyone wants to know, I'm just saying.

and who are the these "real fans"? please enlighten us.

I think he means the people who share his point of view

I love the old band.  Without the old band I wouldn't be following this new band.  And people who have a problem with me saying new band, listen to Axl at RIR3.  He himself says "The New Band"  But I'm not going to judge the new band till I hear CD basically.

As far as "bands" they are both bands.  They have just come together and stayed together in seperate ways.  I doubt there are many differenes between the Illusion Era Guns communication and The Chinese Era Guns Communication.   

Best post I've read all day....

everyone has their own definition of what a band is, this is not what I call a band.. Anyways when you get into more then second line of replacements that have been in the band as long or longer as some real gnr players and you have zero to show for it, no material and tommy has been in since 98 and no one knows this.... It's hard to get through to some because tthey want gnr to exist so bad they think anything called gnr is gnr, or anything with axl is gnr...

Off that I feel for the guys, I'm sure axl promised them a hell of a lot sooner and they have had to wait.. They had to bite their tongues so they could be able to be apart of their material one day.. You know how stupid tommy must feel being asked day after day for years about cd and having no clue or the rights to say anything about it or his "band"
I mean cause bands only the lead singer knows anything, in a band the players aren't allowed to say anything :hihi:

I just cannot understand why people won't accept it!

               The old Guns n Roses were a true " Band " in the sense they toured , did interviews and released music. By the Illusion albums however...things changed. Slash and others claimed the album was produced nearly like how the Beatles did the " White Album ".  With the band truelly not being togethor at all.

                    I really can't judge this G'n'R yet. They have done shows as a band. The clips of them at Rock in Rio seems very cool .