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Title: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 27, 2006, 11:57:44 PM
Have you ever listened to a particular Velvet Revolver song or solo and think " Damn! That shit would've sounded bad-ass with Axl's voice " ? Or great Riff,
I wonder what Axl would've done with it? Whenever I hear Slither ( Which I love ) I can't help but think about how the riff/song would've evolved with Axl's influence as opposed to Weilands?   I can't be the only one who does this shit.............someone ..........please.........


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Krispy Kreme on April 28, 2006, 12:03:52 AM
Not only VR, but Ain't Life Grand and 5 O'clock somewhere. There is some really good shit there that Axl could have made classic.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Jonx on April 28, 2006, 12:04:25 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: GunnerOne 84 on April 28, 2006, 12:09:42 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Krispy Kreme on April 28, 2006, 12:11:11 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

His mistake. Those songs rocked.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on April 28, 2006, 12:47:25 AM
Snakepit was dissapointing to me. I like Lower and Neither can I, but the rest is weak. I don't blame him for not wanting to make that the next GNR album.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Speed Stone on April 28, 2006, 01:03:51 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

it's a shame fans buy into groundless rumours like this. everything slash has made since UYI has been well below gnr standards, axl is better off without him. listen to TWAT and madagascar and better and you'll see what i'm talking about. i think slash could have made some good shit with axl again if they could only work together, slash needed axl to drive that shit outta him, but like axl said "he didn't wanna work that hard". nuff said.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: chinese69illusions on April 28, 2006, 01:16:01 AM
Yeh. I think he would have said umm yeh and put them under the tires of his car and run over them. Just like he did to someone else. :beer:


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: odd1 on April 28, 2006, 01:16:56 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

it's a shame fans buy into groundless rumours like this. everything axl has made since UYI has been well below gnr standards, axl is better off without him. listen to TWAT and madagascar and better and you'll see what i'm talking about. i think slash could have made some good shit with axl again if they could only work together, slash needed axl to drive that shit outta him, but like axl said "he didn't wanna work that hard". nuff said.

I think you mean "everything Slash has made" and if you do i Totaly agree


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: kunzerd on April 28, 2006, 01:20:13 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

it's a shame fans buy into groundless rumours like this. everything axl has made since UYI has been well below gnr standards, axl is better off without him. listen to TWAT and madagascar and better and you'll see what i'm talking about. i think slash could have made some good shit with axl again if they could only work together, slash needed axl to drive that shit outta him, but like axl said "he didn't wanna work that hard". nuff said.

I think you mean "everything Slash has made" and if you do i Totaly agree


same here. i thought VR was awesome at first, but the more i listened to it i realised that this would be an excellent album for some fresh new faces to the music scene, but from a group of seasoned musicians with over 20 years experience in writing music its pretty generic, almost "phoned in".


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: McDuff on April 28, 2006, 01:27:49 AM
Well Slash has made some cool music since he left GN'R and sure all of his stuff would have sounded cool with Axl on them,but no one can change the past,and Slash is better off without Axl


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: bookiedude on April 28, 2006, 01:31:30 AM
I've never wondered.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Speed Stone on April 28, 2006, 01:32:01 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

it's a shame fans buy into groundless rumours like this. everything axl has made since UYI has been well below gnr standards, axl is better off without him. listen to TWAT and madagascar and better and you'll see what i'm talking about. i think slash could have made some good shit with axl again if they could only work together, slash needed axl to drive that shit outta him, but like axl said "he didn't wanna work that hard". nuff said.

I think you mean "everything Slash has made" and if you do i Totaly agree

yeah, quite the type-o there! :o
edited it now, thanx for making me aware of it


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on April 28, 2006, 01:32:41 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

   He asked slash to work on the songs and slash refused. Axl later asked about them thinking slash worked them up and slash said they were used for snake pit

Here is another thing. The more you listen to the new gnr songs they better they get, the more you hear the VR songs the more mediocre you realize they are.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Speed Stone on April 28, 2006, 01:36:36 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

He asked slash to work on the songs and slash refused. Axl later asked about them thinking slash worked them up and slash said they were used for snake pit

Here is another thing. The more you listen to the new gnr songs they better they get, the more you hear the VR songs the more medorice you realize? they are.

vr was always embarrasing.
and the fact that axl even gave slash's shitty material a chance, proves once and for all the team-player axl is, contrary to common belief.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Appetite4democracy on April 28, 2006, 02:50:43 AM
SET ME FREE WOULD BE GOOD FOR AXL


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: CDesigner on April 28, 2006, 02:58:01 AM
SET ME FREE WOULD BE GOOD FOR AXL

that's because it's a rewrite of it's so easy.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: AXL 20 on April 28, 2006, 06:41:06 AM
he would dump ;ike 85% of 'em for the sake of the bands new direction


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: estrangedpaul on April 28, 2006, 03:31:28 PM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

it's a shame fans buy into groundless rumours like this. everything axl has made since UYI has been well below gnr standards, axl is better off without him. listen to TWAT and madagascar and better and you'll see what i'm talking about. i think slash could have made some good shit with axl again if they could only work together, slash needed axl to drive that shit outta him, but like axl said "he didn't wanna work that hard". nuff said.

I think you mean "everything Slash has made" and if you do i Totaly agree

At least Slash has released something. Axl hasn't released anything, except one weak song on a soundtrack. And your saying Slash is the one who needs Axl! No Way!

Axl did play five other songs live of which only two were any good, Madagascar and The Blues. Madagascar is a very good song and would have been one of the strongest songs on Contraband, but the Blues is weaker than all the ballads on Contraband. The three other songs probably wouldn't have made any of Slash's albums since GnR.

Of the leaks, Better and Cactcher In The Rye are both very good, but You Got No Right and Slither are better than anything Axl has released so far.

Of course, nothing Slash has done compares to old GnR, but until the new GnR release an album, nothing Axl does without Slash will compare to old GnR either.

Incidentally, I find it hypocritical that in a rolling stone interview in 2000, Axl said he orginally wanted to release a traditional rock album, but Slash stopped him. Yet later Slash said Axl was the one who rejected the Snakepit album, which was a traditional rock album. And it's not because of the quality, because Axl later wanted it back. Just one of the many contradictions of Axl's views.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: estrangedpaul on April 28, 2006, 03:35:29 PM
SET ME FREE WOULD BE GOOD FOR AXL

that's because it's a rewrite of it's so easy.

Wha? If you had said Dirty Little Thing maybe, but Set Me Free? Nothing like it's so easy


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: pollyblue on April 29, 2006, 07:57:16 AM
axl would've thrown them away because they're to weak to be gn'r songs. vr sounds nothing like gn'r.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: metallex78 on April 29, 2006, 10:49:20 AM
Incidentally, I find it hypocritical that in a rolling stone interview in 2000, Axl said he orginally wanted to release a traditional rock album, but Slash stopped him. Yet later Slash said Axl was the one who rejected the Snakepit album, which was a traditional rock album. And it's not because of the quality, because Axl later wanted it back. Just one of the many contradictions of Axl's views.

Yeah, who knows what the real truth is... ???

I still think it's so stupid comparing nuGN'R and VR, when both (at least what I'm hearing) don't compare to original GN'R, I wouldn't say one is better than the other.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: estrangedpaul on April 29, 2006, 12:26:42 PM
axl would've thrown them away because they're to weak to be gn'r songs. vr sounds nothing like gn'r.

Neither do newGnR.

Remember the original GnR were primarily a hard rock band, there most famous album was hard rock, and VR are way more hard rock than newGnR


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: slashisvr on May 01, 2006, 06:16:30 AM
i wounder about it all the time, on songs like sucket rain blues, dirty little thing, slither, set me free, headspace i think axl's lyrics and energy would have made them songs bigger and better than what they are, but the musical side of things, i think slash has done very well since he left GnR, he's had good songs, solid albums, which his guitar parts are great throughout, maybe the song was weak in other areas but slash has been a great guitarist through all of them


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: speed-stone on May 01, 2006, 06:21:04 AM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

it's a shame fans buy into groundless rumours like this. everything axl has made since UYI has been well below gnr standards, axl is better off without him. listen to TWAT and madagascar and better and you'll see what i'm talking about. i think slash could have made some good shit with axl again if they could only work together, slash needed axl to drive that shit outta him, but like axl said "he didn't wanna work that hard". nuff said.

I think you mean "everything Slash has made" and if you do i Totaly agree

At least Slash has released something. Axl hasn't released anything, except one weak song on a soundtrack. And your saying Slash is the one who needs Axl! No Way!

Axl did play five other songs live of which only two were any good, Madagascar and The Blues. Madagascar is a very good song and would have been one of the strongest songs on Contraband, but the Blues is weaker than all the ballads on Contraband. The three other songs probably wouldn't have made any of Slash's albums since GnR.

Of the leaks, Better and Cactcher In The Rye are both very good, but You Got No Right and Slither are better than anything Axl has released so far.

Of course, nothing Slash has done compares to old GnR, but until the new GnR release an album, nothing Axl does without Slash will compare to old GnR either.

Incidentally, I find it hypocritical that in a rolling stone interview in 2000, Axl said he orginally wanted to release a traditional rock album, but Slash stopped him. Yet later Slash said Axl was the one who rejected the Snakepit album, which was a traditional rock album. And it's not because of the quality, because Axl later wanted it back. Just one of the many contradictions of Axl's views.

bullshit. this whole post is pure bullshit. "axl wanted it back"?! look at axl's standards compated to slash's! besides, the blues alone knocks the whole contraband album into embarrasment.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: COMAMOTIVE on May 01, 2006, 10:28:11 AM
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bullshit. this whole post is pure bullshit. "axl wanted it back"?! look at axl's standards compated to slash's! besides, the blues alone knocks the whole contraband album into embarrasment.
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I think you're missing the point of the post my friend - No one , at least I don't think anyone, is doubting that the Chinese Dem. Album will blow away Contraband, but
there are definitely some cool riffs / guitar moments on Contraband, to say the least. All we're saying is that they could've been even BETTER ( no pun intended)
with the ole' Axl touch

Later


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Super-Ecwfan1 on May 01, 2006, 09:41:56 PM
                  I always heard that Axl wanted to stretch and go in new directions and that Sorum , Slash and company didn't want that anymore. That they got tired of Rose's strict handling of what they wanted.


                       The VR album is ok and has some good riffs but Axl woulda made " Slither " into something completely wild if it was a Guns n Roses song. I have to say....the CD album by G'n'R just shows more from what tracks we've heard.


Title: Re: Ever wonder what Axl could've done with Slash's VR riffs......
Post by: Krispy Kreme on May 05, 2006, 11:38:50 PM
I think Axl would have done a Snakepit and rejected them all!

Jonx

Didn't axl try and change his mind on that once it was a little too late? Same with some of Gilby's songs?

it's a shame fans buy into groundless rumours like this. everything axl has made since UYI has been well below gnr standards, axl is better off without him. listen to TWAT and madagascar and better and you'll see what i'm talking about. i think slash could have made some good shit with axl again if they could only work together, slash needed axl to drive that shit outta him, but like axl said "he didn't wanna work that hard". nuff said.

I think you mean "everything Slash has made" and if you do i Totaly agree


same here. i thought VR was awesome at first, but the more i listened to it i realised that this would be an excellent album for some fresh new faces to the music scene, but from a group of seasoned musicians with over 20 years experience in writing music its pretty generic, almost "phoned in".

I cannot agree. Given the pathetic state of rock these days, what VR was to make a really good (not classic, but very strong) rock album. It  was  done quickly and before the band jelled. But still they were popular  on tour and sold  a ton of albums. Nothing "phoned in" about their live performance, as anyone who has seen them can attest.