Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I think Axl should release the album in March. Mainly because most fans are tired of his never ending bullshit, he owes us, we are the people that bought his albums, we are the people who went to his concerts, we have given him endless amounts of support over the years and what does he go and do? He shits all over his reputation and gives us no respect. He promised us the album in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 and will most likely make a crappy excuse again when the album is not delivered in 2005. There is hope that he will release it in 2005 but he has lied to us so many times he has lost many of the coar fans trust. Thats hard to recover. Looks like Axl does not care about us. Well, I give it until Maximum June then if the album is not released by then I will stop listening to all this bullshit explanations that he has given us and he will lose yet ANOTHER fan.

I don't want to hear bullshit from you guys saying you gotta have patience and it will be released, Axl cares. Whatever.

AXL IF YOU'RE READING THIS PROVE ME WRONG AND RELEASE THE ALBUM BY MARCH.

I guess someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed :crying:. Man dont worry bout it it will be out and it will be fanfuckintastic. Have faith brother :peace:

Thanks for trying to cheer me up about this album thing. But I bet in the end of May Axl will do a interview with rolling stone and say they're are a few things left to be done. Give it till December. December comes, no album.

And that is gunna happen for a while I think. As much as I would love for CD to be released Im quite happy tryin to get boots from 2002 and previous shows. So just relaxe have a bourbon and a smoke try n get some boots and rock on untill it does come out.

Peace bro. :peace:

I am getting some bootlegs of the MSG show and RIR3 so that may keep me occupied until about May.

dude check out wttj from docklands audio (video is not good pic) and pukkelpop
best band performance imo, but not best pic quality or soundsource in pukkelpop, but axl is RIPPING on it :headbanger: 

you can alos download some pukkelpop brussel and various stuff on sladdis multimedia section on www.newgnr.com

check it : ok:

Why don't u fuckers go get a life instead of whining about the new album? It'll be out when it's out, oh for crying out loud! ???

shut up.

Thats one of the best come backs I've heard  : ok:  Dead set im not joking, its short N' affective

Thanks.

he doesnt owe us jack shit.. did he force you to buy his albums? did he force you to go to his shows? no.. we did that on our own will..

Yes, but without us he would either be:

a) flipping burgers at your local mcdonalds
b) a lousy drunk with a bad attitude
c) dead
d) living in a trailer leeching off the government with it's benefits.

or one of those who use tiime at public places with lines...

finished...soon  :hihi:

True man but thats the case i mean we are fans of GN'R so he dont have to be a drunk, or flip burgers or die coz he is a rock star with zillions of fans N' if your dedicated to GN'R u will support Axl even if he hasnt released cd or cancelled tours N' shows.
Would wanna be Axl? A person that no one really likes, N' gets called an arsehole of stupid motherfuckers that have no idea about Axl rose all they know is what they've heard on mtv from a 60 year old presenter that thinks hes 20. Coz I know I would not wanna live like that so cut him some slack man.

Rock On Axl    :peace:

what's your point? so we bought his albums and made him a millionair.. did he put a gun to your head and say that you gotta buy this album or die? or did you buy the album because you liked the songs that he made? if you're that pissed at axl and if you think that he owes us, dont buy gnr related shit.. burn your gnr shirts and posters that you have.. throw away the gnr dvds/tapes you have.. erase anything gnr related that you have on your pc.. dont buy chinese democracy when it comes out.. dont waste your time w/ gnr sites anymore.. but you're not gonna do that.. know why? because you're a fan.. axl never asked you to be a fan.. you made that decision.. why does axl owe you for a desicion that YOU made on your own?

Fantastic champ my hat goes off to ya : ok:

 :peace:

What If........  George Lucas still hadn't released Episode I?
We would already know the actors, barely know what'll be the story, already know who plays who, seen the trailer, seen some pictures from the film, some pictures of the shooting but still hadn't seen the movie? And what if that after 4 years one of the actors for example let it be Liam Neeson would left the crew because he is not satisfied with how the things work? We wouldn't know that are they already recorded all the parts with him or the crew wants to find an other actor to play Qui-Gon or simply they'll replace him in the missing parts with somekinda digital technology?
I guess millions of people would be pissed off and not without a reason.

Axl said: 'live your life' but he'll be offended the most if he has to play a concert with only a
half-house full.

I'm sure these thoughts have been said before but I just have to make a point about something. I guess this is my year of becoming a veteran GN'R fanatic I joined this camp in 2003/2004 and I'd always liked songs like Paradise, Sweetn Child, and Jungle, but never knew who it was. Now I've been coming on boards since then and I didn't know the B.S. that came with GN'R at the time. I logged on and read stuff about a new album and was like, wow! great timing my new favorite band is releasing an album soon...........2 years later We've all got nothing to show for it. I shouldn't be bitching though because people have delt with the wait since Around 1992. (i excluded TSI cuz thats not a proper release)I love GN'R people because Iu think they have made the greatest music of all time I think there better than Zeppelin, Sabbath, The Beatles, Pink Floyd all of them. People always argue with me and say oh Axl sucks, Gn'r is a fag band, Buckethead is gay. I believe in Axl and know he's still capable of performing because of MSG 02 the guy was explosive! I'm just beginning to doubt the whole Chinese Democracy thing. Then in 2004 I thought the wait was at least postponed with the Velvet Revolver CD.......wrong! I've heard people say that it's one of the better albums ever, I totally disagree, the VR album was almost a complete dissapointment to me. I was expecting not AFD but an album where everytrack kicks ass. I don't know The point of the matter is I'm really starting to doubt my favorite band. And for everyone who is gonna say Axl doesn't owe me anything guess what, he does. He owes at least a statement beside that the progress is going well we need to here a projected time of release or that the album isn't coming out at all. He owes it to us as his loyal fans. ]Axl Stop dicking with us
................Form your opinions about thyis but don't hate me because I have my own.

I agree with what you said about VR (i tried liking the CD but it just sucked).. but "Axl" Really doesnt owe you anything ..he doesnt owe Any of us anything.

He owes a explanation. If he said there was going to be no album eyars ago then fair enough, but he has left fans dangling.

Hey, your a good man...but i would like you to stop kissing my ass  : ok:

What do u mean by this is your year of being a veteran fanatic...???? explain please : ok:

So bittersweet, this tragedy wont ask for absolution
This melody inside of me, still searches for solution

WTF?

What's your point anyway? Axl owes you an explanation? Not really...

Anyway, why not wait until the tour starts? Do we need your whining just weeks before there's shows happening? I'm sure a veteran like yourself can wait a little longer... ?: ok:




/jarmo

an explanation or him owing you something :hihi: You'll get the same few who say axl owes you nothing blah blah blah.. I think he owes the fans an explanation ,look at how quickly they responded for the shows and he has given the fans jack shit.. Most of his present sucess is due to his 15 year old work.. He's been promising cd for ages, did a cd tour in 02 and fucked that up, he's been speaking of it since the late 90's...

This thread is a lost cause anyways man, you'll expect real answers and all you'll get is the babying of axl how he can do whatever and all the years people have been here waiting is your choice..

Slashdelonge: Random, but that was funny as hell. Pretty much everything you say online is funny and I think you liven up the board.  : ok:

Jarmo: Who are you to say that Axl doesnt owe us anything? We are by far the most dedicated fans of any band, EVER. Im excited about the May shows, I cant wait to see how they turn out, but I respect this "veterans" point.  : ok:

Oh I see your post count is low, Welcome to the forum kid.  : ok:

One can even say all of it is.

Dont mean to get off topic but his count isnt low... as a matter of fact Jarmo banned him a few weeks ago becuase he was very annoying... Jarmo should remeber ... but i agree he livens up the board just not in the best way

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=28782.0

Allthough you're saying that you're a veteran fan, you still don't know what being a GN'R fan is about. It starts with falling in love with GN'R. Time to time, like in a relationship you really fuckin' hate what happening, but if you stick to it, it will be worth sticking up for. GN'R and Axl especially is notorious for not being main-stream as it goes to treating your fan's well.

This goes for you who are going to a GN'R concert for the first time this summer... He'll be late, accept it. He'll be every thing you want him to be... Trust me. He won't ever be the idol people want him to be, accept it, or quit being a fan. He won't ever owe anything to you, cuz he's Axl Rose. Once you've reached his level of stardom, you don't owe shit to anyone, deal with it...

Cheers, ?:beer:

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt axl once say something like "im only doing this album for me"
I feel incredibly grateful to Axl for creating and sharing music such as Estranged, Coma and now TWAT as it has been a major influence and motivation in my life. I am a fan as i want more of this great music, but also to show my appreciation.

Yes thats true but he did say he wrote the song madagascar for the fans on one of the tours......... He might have had wrote the majority of songs for himself but i think madagascar was written for them

Gnr-revolution, whats your beef man!?...dont start crap with me ever again.

I don't really believe Axl owes anyone anything. If he decides to never release CD, well, that's unfortunate, but I don't feel I'm owed it. Anything you buy regarding a band - t-shirts, CD's, concert tickets etc. - that's your choice and it doesn't mean the band owes you something in return.
However, I am completely baffled by the fact that in the age if internet marketing, the exposure it brings, fan communities, street teams and so on, Axl has decided to not utilize this relatively cheap, yet powerful, marketing tool to keep his fan base updated on GN'R. This is, of course, Axl's decision, not mine or yours, but I am still perplexed by Axl's neglect of this. Had he done what, say, Trent Reznor does: regular web updates, song samples, web cams in the studio, band related pictures every now and then, then I'm sure the 2002 tour attendance would have been improved and people would still "know" who Guns N' Roses really are. It would take 5 minutes to jot something down on a note and give it to management and the post it on a website, it would benefact GN'R, but again, this is Axl's decision, not yours, not mine. It would be cool as hell, but I don't feel I am owed that or anything else.

The only thing Axl owes me is ... nothing. But I sure would appreciate it if he released Chinese Democracy before my time here. I really want the album so bad it hurts. But Axl could have just as easily realised some fucked up album with the GNR name attached to it...and my love of GNR would have forever been crushed. But I will gladly take no new GNR album over a bad one. After the UYI's and TSI I was actually very happy the old band parted ways and Axl became free. I have hope now with these leaked tracks that Axl was right, and that it will come...and it will be worth it.

The only thing Axl owes me as an O Fucking G GNR fan, is to not release a fucking embarrassment of an album with the GNR name attached. That's it.

If Axl doesn't want to talk then so be it. I don't want to talk to 95% percent of the people I have to deal with. I generally don't like having to talk so I understand.

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 :beer: to that man

But thats his decision... he may just want to keep suspence raising... maybe he wants to show everone a little patience.... lol good plug...... but i bet he has had chances to write notes to the public many times but its his choice not to

You should be banned just for saying that  ;)

i agree that axl should atleast give an explenation... but it'kl probably come in a whole...

axl has been teasing his fans...
what about what he said in RIR3? ill be back next summer with a whole bunch of new songs.... he never explained that....

he never explained why  he did no show in 02... wich he really should...

dont you think?

I do not post often but felt the need. I was there for Axl's very first tour in 87 when they backed up Aerosmith. I have had shows cancelled that I have had tickets to. I am not bitter why should you be. You choose to listen to Axl and his music. Did he ever promise us a specific date yet for chinese democracy? No he did not so he has not let anyone down on promises that have not been kept. It is fan speculation that your dissapointment stems from. Also if I where you I would be a little more patient all signs seem to be pointing to a release sometime this year. Try being the fan from 1986 who is as hard core as I am. But still know I am OWED nothing. We have all been giving great music in the past and feel there is great music yet to come in the near future.

Axl doesn't owe us anything, but also in return, we don't owe Axl anything.

It works both ways.

Great thread...i give props to the user who made it.

I have a feeling you will be banned, and soon is the word... ?::)




/jarmo

Sometimes people say things in the spur of the moment when they are pumped up...

like Axl probably did think he would be back to Rock N Rio with a bunch of new songs when he had a bunch of adrenaline running on stage...

Axl probably did think Cd was close to being released in 2002-2003 when he said "soon".. when a bunch of cameras were in his face and he appeared on the mtv awards....

Axl says stuff on spur of the moment sometime.. you people fucking jot it down in a notebook and think you should be allowed to hold him too it.

The fact of the matter is he'll release it whenever the fuck he wants too, he doesn't really owe anyone but himself shit.

The only explanation I can see people possibly wanting is the fans in Philly for the no-show..... but it's my belief Axl was put in a bad situation and refused to meet a lame demand by C.C.. it's also my belief C.C knew that show wasn't going to go, but was using the fans as leverage to get Rose to meet a ridiculous demand... clear channel should make public what they wanted from Axl and why the show was cancelled... they should do the explaining. Axl wasn't in a hotel room watching the lakers that night... people who believe that was the reason for the no-show are idiots.

i agree with axl not oweing the fans anything, but at the same time it was the millions of fans buying the gnr records that put him in a position were he is today, with his millions, mansion, and cars.  im confident he ll release it when he s ready ... if ever, if not then no big deal, CD being released isnt going to lower gas prices or anything.  Im just glad I have a chance to see my favorite band next month, so the only thing he owes us is showing up for his fans that paid to see him.

say it just were a moment thing, should we then just ignore everything he says and it isnt true?

i mean, i understand both points of view here, but i mostly thinks he should say SOMETHING!

It's called an opinion and who are you to say I can't express my opinion just because it differs from yours?


Keep thinking Axl owes you something, I'm sure it'll make you feel better. ?:P

The rest of us have realized that it's no idea to keep whining about something as stupid as that. I didn't pay for the album and therefore I'm not owed an album.

If you're a fan of the band, I bet you're a fan because you like the music. That doesn't mean Axl owes you stuff like new releases, press releases, photos, fan clubs, shows or birthday cards.


If Axl owes you all kinds of things, what do you owe him? Or is it just a one-way thing? Axl owes you, but you don't owe him/the band anything?

Some fans seem to doubt everything Axl has said in recent years. Don't you think you owe him to actually consider he might be telling the truth instead of calling him a liar everytime he actully says something?



It's so much easier not to even think in these terms.... Drop the thought of artists owing you, see how you feel afterwards. ?: ok:





Not really. He could retire from the music business and start a career growing oranges. It's up to him.

Fortunately there's a tour scheduled for the summer so I guess the orange growing career will have to wait.? :hihi:






/jarmo

HAHAHAHAHAHA Oranges .... Where did u come up with that....??.... but on a serious not i like what u said about the not buying the cd therefore he doesnt owe u ... its soo true..

So Jarmo...care to explain why the Dead Horse Trigger Finger isn't working on this thread?

I was banning and posting.....  :hihi:



/jarmo

Damnit! I was hoping Orange Growmocracy saw starting NOW!  :hihi:

I agree with you overall. I also understand the point that it would be cool if Axl at least told the faithful what might be going on, but in the end he actually doesn't owe anyone that.

Lets hope this time itll last huh jarmo.....

Jarmo: Dude I dont feel Axl owes me a fuckin birthday card, he tells us that there is an album coming, and I want that album because I like Guns N' Roses, they are my favorite band. I think it would be nice if he gave us a statement, somehow i find a way to get thru my day though, maybe it's because I DO HAVE A LIFE. Even tho u are pointing towards the fact I dont. Whatever I dont give a shit.

GNRrevolution: Dude Im pretty sure I can still see some cum on your upper lip, and some shit on your nose. That HAHAHAHAHAHAHA made you look like a moron and it wasnt that funny, at most it was a giggle. Oh yeah, and that Slashdelonge kid you kept getting banned that was real cool. real cool, im glad your a moderator.

By the way dont fuckin ban me, because I like this board and most of the people on it, and I contribute to conversation and dont kiss ass. Im allowed to have an opinion and respond when people are assholes to me for no reason at all.  : ok:

finally, you realize what this board is all about...ARGUING!........THAT IS ALL U DO AND IT IS WRONG...JUST GET A LIFE, GROW A SET OF NUTS, AND WEIGH 95 POUNDS.

one thing he owes to his fans and that is to show up for the concerts. making people wait 4 hours or not show up at all thats very disrespectfull. these are just basic manners.

If anyone that's ever been in GNR had basic manners, the band would've never been formed or ensured for so long.

Dude they sold 85 million albums... there are less than 6000 people on this board.  There are a shitload of people that bought and own albums and are content.  For the people on these boards that think we are owed some sort of tribute for liking the music of a band, they are insane.  I realize the magnitude of the follower's love for the band, but, in all seriousness, wouldn't it be best to handle the situation with some dignity and respect? Spouting off 150 words about why are are owed something by Axl Rose is juvenile and petty.  Let a sleeping dog lie.  When the album comes out, it comes out.  Don't live your life by controversy.  It's unproductive.

Dignity and respect now you are just trying way too hard to sound mature, Axl should say something but dont worry my life and the life of all the otheres that think axl owes us an album after mentioning it 10 years ago wil move along.

Geez, this "owed" topic has been done to death in the past 3 years. I don't understand  why repetitive threads like this one  live and other original threads started (by me) are deleted. Gives one pause as to  the motivations and politics of the mods.  ???

axl doesn't owe us shit.

I been saying that for years.

as have i.

So I guess it goes like this:

READ OUR LIPS

AXL ROSE DOESN'T OWE US/YOU/ANYONE SHIT!