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Hey guys-

First time poster but have been visiting and reading for 5 years now. What do you guys think of Billy Howerdel being the alleged 3rd guitarist? I know he did some work on the live era cd, and apparently, at least according to an article Maynard gave in France promoting the new Tool album, he basically has said that A Perfect Circle is done. Just a thought.

I have no clue who that is. 

He's the A Perfect Circle Guitarist and founder. If you read some of the notes on Live Era you will see him in there. If anyone has ever seen A Perfect Circle Live, you know how good he is.

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he used to be a sound engineer for GnR then he quit and formed A Perfect Circle with ex-gunner drummer Josh Freese and TooL frontman, Maynard James Keenan.

The guitarist for TooL confirmed that APC was finished in the latest edition of Guitar World as well

I dunno what Howerdel will do i was wondering that myself....maybe he was on hiatus from GnR until Axl got his shit together :hihi:

He doesn't have a Buckethead style, but He can play a guitar pretty well.

duhhhh, i never even clued into that possibility...i was thinking he may go back as a sound engineer.....but he's had lots of cool experience touring for a big band hasn't he.....interesting idea :yes:

There is also an interview from a couple of years ago when A Perfect Circle was touring in which Maynard basically bashes Axl for having Billy Howerdel working for Guns and not having the forthought and ingenuity to see what a great songwriter he was. I remember reading, on this board actually about 5 years ago, there was a rumor circulating that he filled in a lot of the guitar parts on live era in the areas that needed a little more production. He left and started A Perfect Circle. This was also around the time when Josh Freese was in the band who incidentally became the drummer for APC.

I thinki have the magazine with that article : ok: I'll see if i can dig it out if anyone wants to read it : ok:

bbilly is great but
1. he doesnt have the style that is needed by the 3rd guitarist
2. he wont do it... he left cuz he was bored.. he doesnt wanna be in the shadows again, after APC
3. axl wont call him after he quit as engineer

i know, after A Perfect Circle released Emotive in November 2004, Maynard said that Billy Howerdel was the main man behind that record. He wanted to test things before starting on his "Solo" project. I dont know if Billy was going to make a new band, or just a solo thing. But i remember he said he had some plans on making something else.. There is also a couple of songs Billy wrote for a Video Game. Its pretty hardcore, and he is a damn good guitarist. I think he could have layd down a really cool sound in GNR. On the videogame soundtrack he plays damn great! Maybe he is a better "shredder" then we know...

As far as I know, APC isn't done. Where did you guys hear this?
I know the band is forced to take loooong breaks while the Tool (fucking awesome) thing is happening, but I never heard anyone say APC was done for good.

What Maynard said in the interview i read. Was that A Perfect Circle had released theyr 3 albums they had on contract. And that he did not belive that they would release anymore albums, but the would maybe do 2 - 3 more tracks in the future..

on the other hand. U never know with Maynard. Dident he say something like "there wont be anymore Tool albums, coz the world is going down in a couple of years" or something like that..  :rofl: He sure is funny that little devil..

Billy is an awesome guitarist. I wouldn't mind seeing him in GN'R. I mean, look what he's done with APC. Those albums are great! Also, included in APC's
"thank you" section of the first album you'll find Axl Rose.

Tool Guitarist Adam Jones says it in the latest edition of Guitar World : ok:

I have an old article(2002) from Guitar One that says he was GNR's guitar engineer then went on to become their guitarist. It also says that the songs from the first APC album were actually songs that Axl rejected(and Billy was getting bored) so he left with his songs to start APC.

Thanks for the info., Nytunz &Neemo. Kinda sucks if there's no more APC, but hopefully that means more Tool.

I guess this clears up Howerdell's schedule up for a while. If he doesn't join G&R, maybe Axl will join APC! :drool:

Yeah i think it sucks too Throatake I thought EmOtIvE sucked....kind of a shitty album to leave things off on IMO :-\

Also Josh Freese is touring with NIN right now isn't he?

Emotive, although a great word, was a suck ass cd. One great song though (Passive)

Howerdell is great and I will check out anything he does in the future.

I also didn't know Freese was touring with NIN. Nice. What's that, the 2,000th band he's played with? :hihi:

yeah he's been around....but I'm not sure if he is touring with NIN....i read that he was...but I'm not an NIN fan so I dunno if it is true or not.  Maybe one of the multitudes of NIN fans around here can let us know :peace:

I believe he is...which he should because Dave Grohl made  up the parts to the new NIN cd, so I'm assuming they need to get an equally (or more) talented drummer to perform them live : ok:

billy didnt wrote the songs for GNR.. he was only the enginner of the record..
also the majority of the songs were written in 95-96... 2 years before he started hangin with GNR
he left gnr.. cuz he never wanted to be that long in gnr.. after all he was rite... cuz he could have stayed 6 more years waiting axl finish the record...
i think he made the rite decission.. cuz APC rules!
also he is the one who worte all the music in APC... maynard writes the lyrics and he the music...
mer de noms... was completed musically even after the band was formed

Hmm. Howerdel would be an interesting choice. I'd be happy enough with him, and he does at least have some history with Axl, unlike many of the possible picks for guitarist...

SG

where did he say that? I must have missed it.

In the interview somewhere....I can't find exact page #....I lent it out to a freind :-\

I think he is the most logical choice if Axl can get him. And I'm not even saying for a long term basis, but maybe just for the tour. I mean think about all the money being thrown to the other guys in the band to be on stand by and at Axl's call. If I was Billy, even with the amount of money I'm sure he already has, if Axl threw 1-2 million at him to tour for a year, that would be tough to turn down. It would also get him more exposure to different types of people who don't listen to A Perfect Circle, and obviously help fund his solo stuff. He really is the only one not being heard from in the group.(APC)  Josh is touring, White is touring with NIN, James Iha supposedly is going back to Pumpkins, and Maynard has Tool. Billy is also a guy who likes to tour,(said so on a Radio interview here in Phoenix when they were on the Lollapalooza tour) and I don't think his solo stuff will be out for a while. Good chance for him to go on the road, and I think with the current incarnation of Guns N' Roses, with all the musicians being proffesionals, he would get along great.

I think i got that interview.. Just give me a sec, and ill post it..  : ok:

billy wouldnt work with gnr at all..
i also prefer him doing other music.. to have 2 bands that rock the house... gnr and the new billy's band lol