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I'm fairly un-happy about this whole new direction VR is following.

I won't be buying an album with Pharrell williams. I'm against selling out and his whoring out attitude. Its not about how many records you sell. Its about the quality of the record. Pharrell Williams doesn't get this. The guy appears on countless albums, just to get his name accross and make bank.

I saw VR live 3 times last year. And I doubt I will be seeing them again. If this is the road they will be taking, I'd advise Slash to bury the hatchet with Axl, and Start Gn'R up again.

I won't follow a band that conforms with the system. It isn't very Rock n' Roll.

Let me give you the company line from the GNR board:

"Stop living in the past, they are going in a new direction and taking it to the next level as a band. Go listen to ACDC if you want a band to just remake the same album a 100 times."

That said, I am sure VR won't be releasing a rap album anytime soon even if Pharrell is going to work with them a bit. If anything it might help spur some creativity bringing in someone totally from the outside.

yet gnr was the most commercial radio friendly band in the world... Pharell williams gets work because he is talented, you don't get work because you suck.. I think people have no idea what they are talking about, talk after you hear it..

I'm not very fond of the fact that VR is working with Pharrel; not because he is a music-whore but because his best music is barely mediocre. He did some rock with his N.E.R.D.  project which was below Linkin Park level. I'm thinking more and more Slash is in GnR especially now he's also managed by Sanctuary......I cannot imagine Slash working with Pharrel.....I dunno man, something is indeed "stinky" concerning VR......

Normally I agree with you. But you are flat out fucking stupid here. Do you know what I do for a living dipshit? Second, what is talented to you? "Drop it like its hot", over and over again? Whoring yourself out to MTV viewers.

You think hes talented, becuase you probably watch him on MTV day in and day out. So, Is Gwen Stephanie talented, or is she just a sell out for throwing up gang signs and making a hip-hop album? Even though shes white and from the burbs?

I'm fairly certain, that this guy has no idea what good guitar tone is, or how to record it.?

N.E.R.D was a fucking joke. They were this it group that no one bought into. When Carson Daily says you are the next big thing, run for the fucking hills.

I also wonder how/why Slash would approve a collaboration with Pharrel Williams? If they are somehow "jealouse" of Axl's new work, why don't they do work with some class acts (Like Axl did), but a MTV sell-out Hip-hop producer? I highly doubt Pharrel can bring any "musical breaktrough" for Velvet Revolver. I hope they're not doing this for MTV airtime and turn into a Velvet Linkin Park Project. Still, I have my hopes for Slash knowing the right way to go, It's either Guns or Velvet, but I bet either way he goes, it'll be a good choice.

I think Mike meant that Pharrell wouldn't get work if he sucked, not you.

I think Pharrell is talented in selling shit. He could make the TRL audience wanne buy Vanilla Ice's "Ice Ice Baby" if they re-released it tomorrow. Pharrel is talented in selling stuff, but he ain't no musical talent.....

exactly. There is a large difference. Somehow, I doubt 13 year old kids know the difference between talented, and salesmanship.

how much influence do you think this guy's gonna have with the strong personalities / egos of Slash, Duff, and Scott.....if he says / suggests something they question, you don't think they'll have veto power.....come on now :o

This Nashville star bullshit is getting to me also. And Scotts appearance with The douchebag from train on the same VH1 cindy Lauper special. Are these guys trying to sell more records by p.r.-ing themselves out to whoever wants them featured?

then why have him produce. Why not get Clink to produce. At least you know he'll make a solid rock album. Or John Paul Jones to produce. Josh Abrams worked didn't he? He made the muddiest sounding album of all time. And the level dropped because of it.

Well, I think one of the main reasons is Scott. He wants to be famous so bad. He's a poser; he's more famous for his behavior than his music. I mean he did write some good stuff but he switches looks more than Madonna does..... he wants to be "hot" whereas Slash just wants to rock.....

true. But then again, STP made him famous. They were huge in their heyday. Had he not drugged himself up so much, he might be living a different story.

I don't like Axl a whole lot. But at least he had some musical integrity. No matter where he wanted to go with it. He just wanted to do it. Not appear on TV all the time.

I'll tell you what, VR started rolling downhill when they decided to use Hoobastank as a supporting act.

After Matt blasted Hoobastank a few months earlier.  I'm not fond of seeing these guys on Nashville Star and Autorox and on all of these red carpet appearances.  I feel Scott and Matt in particular seem to be focusing to much on their image and current pop culture.

Too bad Matt and Scott ( in a kinda way Duff too) have become posers during the "rise" of Velvet Revolver, I guess that's just how it goes...
After thinking it for a while, I guess Axl's made the right decision to stay back and concentrate making good music instead of getting hes face everywhere.

yup

I wasn't knocking your job, said if he was shit he wouldn't get a job..

Pharell knows how to sell  aproduct, he knew something like drop it like it's hot would be the new catch prase and he'd make money with snoop....

End of the day matt duff slash scott dave have to like what they are doing..

I like seeing the artists I enjoy doing things in the public eye.. It's like teh people knocking dave navarro or the guys doing rockstar... I rather see the people I like then gawk at a pic and pray for a spoken word..

I just rather wait for the music then to knock it down, pharell wasn't there when they were creating riffs or writing the songs, who knows what part he may play..

I'll wait to hear it before a rip them or praise them ;D

I'm not certain they are "posers." we haven't heard word since they suppossedly started recording.  maybe its not working with pharrell, because i honestly cant see it working. so how about we just wait and see what is said or what happens or wait till the new album comes out before we loose or gain respect for them. if you want to judge them or their musical talent, look at their previous album. remember, we havent heard anything and they are suppossedly recording for over a week now...hmmmm 

ok. I'll get the album, that's for sure.

I really don't understand why people are turning this whole pharrel issue into such a big deal, I dont care who produces the album. If it sounds good then great if it doesn't then that's too bad better luck next time. It's all about the music for me :beer:

electricimage, stop double posting... have you heard of the "Edit" button?

So Slash plays with Michael Jackson, but once he gets Pharrell to PRODUCE a song, he's suddenly "going down the wrong path"?

Like most of the sensible people here, I will wait to hear what the record sounds like before I trash it.  It sounds like you're more concerned with the band's reputation and what you can tell your friends (e.g. "I don't like that band, they're a bunch of posers... but THIS band here isn't") then what the actual music sounds like.

^ There, I made my point and I don't need to post again right after myself.

the outcry there would be if Chinese Democracy was being worked on and or produced by Pharrell, SNoop or any1 else like that.....

Well, of course we know the Shaq situation.  And there was that Nas rumors a couple years back. ;D

axl's already dressed the part..  :hihi:

Pharrell Fucking Williams...

Could it be worse...?

Let me tell you something rght now - Pharrell will NEVER produce a rock band well. VR are going to be the new Crazytown...

I'm actually really excited about the new VR album and the direction they are taking. It appears as though it will be more groove-oriented, but I'm sure it will feature Slash's signature solos and some great hooks. I think we can hear more of a "Big-Bang Baby" sound to this album, which is totally cool by me. I can't wait to hear it.

Remember how people were saying that "Chinese Democracy" would sound like "Pretty Hate Machine" and it didn't (going by the demos). Well, I doubt "Libertad" will sound like a hip-hop, radio friendly bling album either, so take a chill pill.

Chill out.


See above.

On topic..

I'm not too thrilled with the Pharrell talk,? nothing that'll keep me from giving the record a fair listen though.

So what if they are working with Pharrell? Good for them. If you are are that closed minded, put on your "Dr. Feelgood" album and don't buy the new VR, you mullet-heads!

Great bands don't need to get gimmick producers to make something special or create a sound.  Pharrell to me sounds like a gimmick producer who is hot at the moment.  God forbid they use someone proven like Mike Clink.  I guess my point is, since when does Duff and Matt have to get a hip hop guy to develop a groove?  Maybe Adler is who they should get on drums.  He didn't seem to have a problem on Appetite with the Groove.  The name of this album should be "How VR got their Groove Back."

Use Mike Clint, you mean like Motley Crue did with "New Tattoo"? Which is probably what some people here want to hear.

Richard, I don't know a Mike Clint, just Mike Clink.  Duff and Matt tend to build shit up more then what it actually is.  Question is, will VR still be a hard rock band, or is this going to be their "Get a Grip,' album.

VR is a joke. good day. ;D

Not much sense in posting in this section then... ::)

No offense to your good self or Mike Clink for that matter but he hasn't produced anything too interesting since AFD. 

I loved his work in '05 with The Glitterati but that's about it..

VR will still be a hard rock band, come on they are not going to turn to a hip hop group! lol its funny to even think about it.  he's just a producer, that doesnt mean hes going to be rapping on every song or something.  just wait till the album comes out and we will see how it is, then make all ur opinions.

ever heard of kiss my ass? I doubt people are going to read a post twice to see if i edited it. Didn't think of that did you, you wanna be moderator hack.

And I could care less about the VR rep. Stop assuming and pretending like you are the smart one here. You aren't making things better.

the Crue is a hack band.

OOOPS. Double Post...

i ask myself nowadays, if slash and duff were eventually going to go in another direction, then why the fuck didn?t the stayed by axl?s side, they would have made some madonna kinda like albums, some pop crap and they would have surely gone back to hard rocking after some failures, but they would be together........

so now, where are the musical differences??? ???

Ever heard of chill out?

You should have.

By "Get a Grip" you mean VR will go for the cookie-cutter singles and candy-ass baleds? Good lord, let's hope not. But I don't think that will be the case. I think it will be an awesome album. I hope it comes out this year.

so he goes hip-hop. hes like a ferrari without a driver.

all this does is reaffirm my belief he is nothing without axl.

it's funny that you say that and have slash as your avatar

I think Slash should go back to his Snakepit era, the second Snakepit album is amazing........ i recon another one with a better singer would do really well! It was a fair effort without Axl!

Jonx

slash wasnt sucking pharrels dick for songs when i got the avatar, smartass.

Slash sucks Pharrels dick :o I guess that's the going rate for a producer these days. :rofl:

slash is a fucking joke now, stop giving him the attention he is so desperate for and let him witness axl's talent take over the world once again. nuff said.

that and a nice snowblow kiss.

Maybe Mike Clink wouldn't be the perfect choice but someone like Rick Rubin would. He's the perfect rock producer. I mean he has done amazing things for the Peppers, Jonny Cash etc.....he knows how to capture the essence of a band....

The truth, unfortunately is, they should give Matt Sorum the booty and replace him with some "groovier" drummer.? If they do wan't a "groovy" sounding album. Matt just sounds like a machine (ie. UYI tour drum solo, Down on the Farm TSI, Civil War UYI tour, Rocket Queen UYI tour, just to name few)
Though I respect Matt for songs like November Rain, Estranged, Don't Cry, Coma and Breakdown...

Axl can totally convert his look to Hip Hop, can have rumoured to have Shaquille O Neil rap on the album and Axl can go into a bar and request just one song and that is 50 cent - In Da Club, everyone is cool with that.

But when VR anounce they're having pharrell williams as ONE OF MANY producers who's going to contribute, people start losing respect for VR then?

That just isn't fair.

He may look stupid, but he can bring some good music.
You don't think Axl's been bashed about hes looks and stuff? Atleast hasn't sell hes soul to MTV.

you are such an axl ass kisser, god you never do anything but bash anyone who was an ex member and say how much axl is the only one who can do anything.. These are supposed to be gnr fans on this board :hihi:

Why does everyone think that the Pharrell collaboration will mean a hip-hop record?

how are they a joke? Didn't axl use moby, other producers,  and many session players...

Speed stone you are the type that just bashes, you are definetly one of those people that don't buy the albums of the ex members but you have a say... With the way you praise axl in every other post and bash the old gnr there's no way they had anyu chance with you to begin with..

Slash is a huge Nine in Nails fan so I don't know what you're talking about

I rather try something new with Pharrell than Rubin who automatically go to if you want to do something different. Choosing Rubin as your producer back in the day was cool but now its not as fresh

Hello! Where have you been in the last 12 years? Where has Axl been in the last 12 years? He's done nothing and it does tell that who wasn't the heart and soul of Guns N' Roses. Axl collaborating with people from Moby and Critter to Shaq and Lionel Ritchie is 'improving', 'a unique experiment', 'evolving' and 'getting better'... oh, I almost forgot: it's also very artistic. But if Slash & Co are up to do something different then it sucks, they're sell-out and they are nothing without Axl. But...If they don't change, only rock, then 'they can't move on' and ' are nothing without Axl'. Fuck this shit. I'm not happy that VR's working with Pharrell, but I hope it'll turn out to be good. I hope Axl's album will be good. Stop this fucking tribal war.

I remember from several months ago a article saying that Brenden Obrien (soundgarden/STP) would be producing the new record.  I think this is a very good possibility, with Pharrell joining in for a song.

As far as Velvet Revolver are concerned, they're going to take a different approach for their sophomore album. Instead of working straight through with one producer, they'll work with several.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1528687/04132006/velvet_revolver.jhtml

you must have reached axl's throat by now with all the crawling up his ass you've been doing :hihi:
why do you even visit this part of the board if you hate the members that created your favourite band so much ?, do yourself a favor and stay on the other side : ok:

How can you judge something you haven't even heard yet?  I am not a big fan of Pharrell, but Slash isn't going to venture too far away from his roots.

I don't really care for what's cool.....I want the best music wise and I do think that Rubin can do that better than Pharrel. Pharrel is a hyped up producer who does the same trick over and over again. And he ain't that fresh anymore; his sound is rather whored out if you ask me.

yeah but a rock band of the calibur of VR working with Pharrell is something new and should be interesting. Rubin would want to kill all Slash's solos. He prefers simple solos

How can you assume Slash does not like Industrial?  I have Slash's Top 10 albums of all time that he did once for Kerrang. Where he places NIN's The Downward Spiral in his top 5 albums ever! (can't remember exact number now) but it was there amongst Beggers Banquet ect.

Just because they are using someone you would not expect them to use, does not make it crap before you hear it.   It's a brave step but unless you want the same album again ... then it could be THE right step.  I'm thinking Always on the Run, Rocket Queen, Fix (music only!), they are funky riffs, but Slash doesn't sell out on them, he stamps all over them... Duff and Matt have mentioned Prince as an influence on some of their writing... now Prince, when he wants to, can rock like a mofo. 

I hope they stay brave and dont give in to peer pressure, hope they make the album they want to make. Even if i don't like it - i hope that they have the balls.

people just assume that because slash left gnr he isn't into anything that axl likes.. Pretty fucking stupid to think that way..

why can't people, at least wait to hear the new music... Scott duff matt slash dave were writing tunes way befor ethey even tought about pharell

I haven't heard Slash's hip hop song yet..? Could someone send it to me?

I know for sure no one here is stupid enough to think that just because someone produces a song that they haven't heard for VR that it's going to be in a different genre, because that would be down right nutty.? So I'm assuming Slash's hip hop song has leaked.? Could someone send it please?

I know STP is not  industrial, but to me Contraband  sounded closer to STP than Guns, and Slash did fine. So I think he likes all kinds of influences, although I agree that he is, at core, a rocker, and will not stray much from that.

exactly!!!! thank you mike, that is what im trying to say.  hear the new music, then say what u think about it, you cant make opinions on music that you have never heard

OK, ?don't get me wrong...
'If they are jelaous of Axl's new work'...
'Axl had some integrity'....
The planet I live on has heard Axl's latest work in 1993...
If on your planet Axl released several albums since then and they sound fine, ?OK.
What exactly is ment by Axl's integrity?
His ability not to record an album in more than 14 years ?or something else!?
VR have last made an album in 2004 whilst Axl doesn't even had a band (I don't count hired musicians cause the number of people passing through that band since '93 is somewhere between 76 - 94, ?or more?) since '93, ?VR have just finished a tour six months ago.
Yes, ?there are plenty of producers being out there, ?yet, ?if the record is good, ?there is little an producer can do to make it even better, ?if the producer is bad - no producer in this world will make it good.
I am sure that there ain't a producer who hasn't made a terrible record despite his abilities.
For example, ? IMO, ?RHCP's 'By the way' ?was so bad (despite the fact that many fans adored it), ?that no producer could make it match my taste. ? Other than the title song, ?I hated that album.
On the other hand, ?I loved both Snakepit albums and Neurotic Outsiders although they all had a different producer (just like Nirvana or Smashing Pumpkins 93 onwards till the awful Machina).
If I was asked, ?maybe I would have Jack Douglas produce it. ? He made phantastic Snakepit II + he produced many great artists incl. ?John Lennon and his Imagine.
If more dancable means Imagine or Pit II, ?GREAT!
On the other hand, ?I am not very familiar with Pharell dude that is there to participate with the band cause

a) I am from Europe
b) I hate r'n'b/rap/hip - hop
However, ?we don't exactlly know what parts VR want to use him for. ?They may explore some idea but in the end it may turn up the greatest rock album of the decade or something.
Lets give them a chance and then judge.
Oh, ? one more thing...
Please don't call Duff, ?Matt or Scott a poser while making Axl the counter side in the same sentance.
Axl is the biggest poser in the rock scene in my eyes and the weakest link in the GNR chain.
C'mon, ? calling people posers while Axl is walking around in the fur coats since the end of 80's!!!???
Calling people posers while Axl's flying back and forth across USA tring hard not to miss a catwalk!?
Victoria Secret pre Valentines party...
Everyone should do what they like (except wearing fur coats), ?but don't give such a guy as example of rock n roll lifestyle.

Although Slash may have loved some NIN album does not mean he would write and perform that kind of music.

I can understand that people may think it's stupid to pressume that it won't work and I hope that it will work but I haven't liked anything Pharrel did until now. So I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and will wait and see but I'm a bit sceptic about it.

well we havent heard any new songs from VR yet so i think its a bit too early to criticize. 

To me this is the equivolent to Axl and Lionel Richie.

Only problem is the Axl Lionel Richie wasnt true and this is.

this is painful.

WHy in the fuck would a rock band team up with this guy?

They are absolutely 100 percent selling out and I am extremely extremely disappointed.

There is no logical reason. How many good rock producers are around today? How many more capable people, with capable and new ideas.

The fact of the matter is that this guy really has no credit. Sure hes produced a bunch of hip hop, but was anything that good?

The idea is stupid, plain and simple.

what if vr put out 5 records in 10 years, are they allowed to do anything they like with any people they know unless they are "rock"... I mean slash alone has worked with everyone fropm lemmy to ac/dc to michael jackson to blackstreet../.. I think it's silly to just rush in adns ay they sold out because they are older and want to maybe use  aperson they know in the industry... It's not like they are 25 still adn teh biggest rock group in the world.

I just want music ,if we get something every two years I don't mind some collaborations as long as they are still hard rock.. Weiland has always been out there with style...

I don't know what to say being they were writing songs while on tour and before they met weiland doing music... WHo knows what's in store just because pharell is there..  Doesn't mean they will be doing beatbox..

Selling out is a stupid concept. How can anyone say someone is selling out, how do you know if its not just something an artist wants to do. Thats not completely relevant to VR's case, nobody knows what they're going to do with Pharrell. It wont be hip-hop, it wouldnt happen and I take the album being groovier as in the same vain as 70's aerosmith, led zep or even Always On The Run type things. Its ridiculous to say some of the things ive read in this thread when noones really heard anything from any member of the band. If their in pre-production, they could still be gathering idea's.

Also whats to say this Pharrell guy isnt a rock n roll fan just because he produces hip-hop?

I think Axl can be a prick from what we hear. Simple. But I love his music and I know that he has an amazing talent and I want to see him make an amazing record.

Im a huge Slash fan, I'll admit he's my hero and I follow him in VR alot more than Axl, but just because Slash isnt in a band with Axl anymore doesnt mean I have to be like alot of ppl here and hate the ex-members or hate axl. So as opposed to writing stupid fuckin threads like this, grow up and make some decent conversations with fair points. Its so easy to write stupid shit on the internet when there isnt someone right there to ask for a real opinion.

As stated before, I'm not too thrilled with the Pharell talk..

Although...

I've heard many calls for Rick Rubin in this thread, so...

Let's put this into historical perspective.

If memory serves me correct, Rick's first real producing gig in early 85 was a home grown version of The Beastie Boys "Cookie Puss".? Within 2 years he'd produced full ablbums by Slayer, LLCool J, The Cult, Run DMC and the aformentioned Beasties. 

See where I'm going?

Food for thought... :yes:

I don't think VR will become a rap group. Not to worry.

We think alike. I was contemplating trying to explain to everyone who wants Rick Rubin that he broke in producing rap, lived with rappers, had a rap label, etc, etc............, but figured they still wouldn't understand. VR has never given me reason to doubt they know how to make great music, so I'll wait to hear the collaboration before wigging out about Pharell.

When all else fails, I say get Mutt Lange.  Gauranteed to be huge then. 

wow. It sounds like it's Jon Bon Jovi and C.C. DeVille sitting behind the computer on multiple usernames. Slash doesnt have to prove anything to any of you. He already has been doing it since 86-06. He can stand there up front of a green screen and smoke with some gay little rapper grabbing his scrotum and jumping around on the screen and i think it would be good since it is slash, and ntehr eis always a mute button. he is a hero, same with Axl and Izzy and Duff and Steven. Even Gilby and Matt and Dizzy. This is a GN'R/VR forum. If you don't like Slash or Axl I suggest you sit down and do something productive rather than bitch about people who are 1000x more talented and 1000000x more succesful than you or me.

This thread reafirms my belief it shouldn't have been started in the first place.

totally agree, axl works with stupid people, and he gets no critics, now, slash and VR tries something different and people stupidly make comments

Pharrell is in his own rock band.   : ok:

yeah, cause lord knows axl never gets blamed or criticized for anything...

Yeah, I understand what you're tryin' to say but the difference is that RR has done amazing work which proves he can do it whereas Pharrell has just mediocre pop-junk to back him up. So there's a huge difference here.

this isn?t closed yet???   :-\

but is there any reasnos why he does..? Look at everything that has unfolded since gnr broke up from 1999 till 2006, you can't find anything wrong that might give axl negative press..? Even a person who doesn't follow this can see the light..

But the thing is, people Axl has worked with, have actually proven they can do something. In this case mr Pharrel has done mediocore/bad hip-hop music.
This IMO just leaves the option that VR chose him for publicity in mainstream (MTV audience) eyes.

lol and slash doesnt do simple solos now?

They are not conforming to anything they are just trying new music.  Who cares?  You should try all music don't stay with one style.  It get boring otherwise.

just wait till the album comes out, and listen to it, then judge it whether you like it or not.  how can you like or hate something that you never heard.  you dont know whats it going to sound like.

I'd like to see someone else play the solo's to Headspace and Dirty Little Thing with as much speed AND style.

Funk > Epic Masterpieces.

OOoo an album of 20 Epics... Sounds... Boring?

Empty room. Booze and shit all around some lady fans and thats the way VR should write and record a fucking album. Low down and dirty rock n roll is what Slash needs to play again.

You cant be serious can you? WHo exactely is cool with all that? Some fans on a gnr board? Axl, his look, his alleged directions, his band, etc have been bashed for the past 6 yrs. WHats unfair now bitch? Whats unfair is that for the most part unless the album is mindblowing people will bash for the simple reason the tophat isnt playing on it. WHats unfair now? The fact that Shaq simply just came in and jammed with the band for FUN gets misconstrued as him being on the album.

Axl may like hip hop, techno, etc but his roots are rock.   And as evident in the new songs he sticks with the rock but does it in away that makes it sound modern and has multiple influences. And most of all...it works!
When was the last time you think Slash and or Duff sat down by themselves all alone and listened to a rap album because they wanted to for their own craving? Probably never.

the reason people are calling out Vr is simply because they talked abut being this straight ahead in ur face down and dirty senior citizen rock band. So now when they announce they are changing their direction and philosophy people raise an eyebrow...

me personally i could careless if they use pharrel. If its good its good. But all I know is that if Axl annouced that hes using a rap star to help with his album, all you tophat disciples would be bashing the fuck out of him...and you know thats true. Hip hop braid wearing wigga wanna be starts now!....i can see it all....but thats ok because when all is said and done your all gonan find out for yourselves that Axl will deliver the best ROCK album in quite sometime. In your face, old school,modern,new school rock....with a little bit of everything. and best of all without talking...just walking the walk..

but hey atleast slash...and now vr are active : ok:

^^dude, axl's been threatening us with this album for the last 6 years.  just like with VR, i'll reserve jusdgement on the final product until I hear it.  If, that is, I ever hear it : ok:

But I am going to see one of NYC shows, so hopefully he plays some new stuff.....from what I've heard of GnR's new stuff, a few songs are great, some of it I would skip over if it was on a CD

Here we go again..

Old vs. new, Axl vs. Slash.

Moved or locked, take your pick.

This is different.

Shaq wasnt contacted to collaborate with Axl.

Shaq is a fan, Axl is a fan of Shaq's, Shaq was in the same studio and stopped by and was just fuckin around. It was never a serious collaboration.

But When VR go and get the flavor of the month to try and produce a hit they start falling into the WANNABE category and not the so called "dangerous rock band" they proclaimed to be.

Pharrell sucks and is a poser and this makes me sick.

amen!!! my feelings excactly! well put.

Devils advocate would say this is no different than Axl reaching out to Moby when Moby was "the flavor of the month"..

what month was this?

Whatever month Axl sought him out. : ::)

Being they have been in the business for so long and slash has worked with people like michael jackson and now lenny kravitz aboard too how do you know they aren't friends too..? Wether you like the people or not it is possible with clive davis and all that these guys do know eachother or with slash's ways of being with people who aren't just rock.. How do we know pharell isn't a fan of any of them?  No one can even say what is going to happen

seeing duff and scott( who i like less and less all the time) on that Country show really rubbed me the wrong way......

why? lol, i thought they were great!

it was just so not rock n roll....

i mean come on..... you know its true

I wouldn't lose any sleep over this, these guys do have other interests in life.. I love rock but I do like other avenues of music

Think about Aerosmith and the re-make of Walk this Way with the rappers (forgot their name). That worked well and spurred Aerosmith's comeback. Not that VR needs a comeback, but the point is that cross-fertilization of music styles can work and be successful.

I've always hated Aerosmith for that, they do everything to be succesful, whatever they have to do for it. Whatever happened to making good music, sell or not? Yeah, with VR too, it can be succesful, but what about the "real fans" who are in it for the music(not the ones who speak to cellphone while "listening" to music)?
Too many bands nowdays goes on just for the succes.

i don`t like how you`re calling gnr commercial radio friendly...

mtv didn`t want to play gnr in the beginning and they didn`t really have any radio friendly songs except for scom and don`t cry i think....

and well...  i like the fact that VR is going  in another direction with their new record (if it actually comes out....). i was seriously dissapointed with contraband and i hope they`ll do better this time around. 

however, i guess they`ll dissapoint me this time again :-\

IIT WILL NEVER HAPPEN FUCK SLASH!!! The new band is better then the old finck and richard are fucking awesome together and tommy is the best bass player ive seen in a long time. This just shows that axl made slash!  Slash sucks with out him and cant write shit with out axl by his side. While axl is selling out shows and everyone is talking about him, thelatest news on slash he filed for a divorce.

In that Opie and Anthony INterview Duff talks about going back to the roots of Rock and Roll....and trying to get some early Stones type of writing goin' on....I dunno I love Slash, Duff, Scott....Matt to a lesser extent and Dave's past a cheivemnts are pretty impressive too.....I'll never lose respect for these guys...but maybe we should wait to hear the material before judging : ok:

the thing is ..... i heard contraband...

i`m a really open minded guy when it comes to music, so i`ll give them another chance : ok:

                    I liked VR's 1st album on some things. It was a good album but my dislike for thier decision making is causing me to grow away from them. I can't understand how Slash would want a more dance feeling in the songs . I know he's jammed with Micheal Jackson and others , but it just feels wrong for this band.

                    Its like VR's selling out faster than we can speak. Wieland and McKagen are on Nashville Star ? What the fuck ? My mom watches that show and seeing them there made me grit my teeth.

                       I'll play the new album at F.Y.E but I'm not expecting much sad to say.

Falcon u got the facts on mixed up dude.

When Axl was gonna work with Moby it was before he was mainstream and world famous. it was before his big album *cant remember the title but the album he did the song with Gwen Stefani*

So this isnt the same thing even though I wasnt big on that either.

Still have u actually ever heard Pharell?

He isnt rock at all, he does these synth computer bleep type hooks throughout the whole songs and its just really bland.

If they wanted to do something hip hop, they shouldve got with Missy Elliot and timbaland. those two make very futuristic/original sounding compositions.

dude, you couldn?t be more wrong, what made guns n roses a big name back then was the five guys that started it, not only axl, true axl is a rock n roll icon, but he wouldn?t have gotten that far if Izzy and slash would have written so many songs, don?t be blind.

Tommy best bass player? in what world do you live in? and finck and fortus are not that great.... don?t get me wrong, i follow axl in everything he does, but not to the point where i get too blind to see, that this new line up is not as good as the original, believe it or not, wether you like it or not!!!!!

And slash can really make somethign nice, the second VR album might be just better than the first one, specially when i know that most of the material will be slash?s creation.

Uh, hardly.



Moby was a force on the worldwide music scene as early as 1992, working with such artists as Erasure, Brian Eno, The Prodigy, Pet Shop Boys and The B52's long before Axl ever gave him a call.

And again for the record, I'm not thrilled about the Pharrell talk. Beyond that I'll avoid the close minded approach, maybe give it a listen before I dismiss it and rush to judgement with cries of sell out..

Dont get me wrong, Im sure Ill probably love the Pharrell combo but its still sellin out no matter how great it is.

the pharell "combo"? do you mean "collabo"?

I see where you're coming and respect it, I just don't think "selling out" is a relevent term in this situation.?

I find limiting one's collaborative choices under the guise of keeping musical intergrity much more of a "sell out" than trying someone that might be considered too mainstream by a certain sect of the a quick to judge fanbase.

ok well now suppossedly some of gnrs songs have a "hip hop beat" , but im sure thats fine and everyone is going to love it right?   

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=29670.0

but pharrell and vr? thats horrible right?

Actually, it wasn't Aerosmith that approached Run DMC but Run DMC that approached Aerosmith about re-doing walk this way, so to say Aerosmith would do anything to be succesful in this specific case would be inaccurate. 

As classicsgunsfan said..  The whole thing was Rick Rubins idea and the song was on a Run DMC record. Also, Aerosmith may have done soem questionable things in there 36 year career..  But they don't do everything to be "successful"..  There last two releases were just the opposite actually.. One was a pretty kick ass Blues cover album composed mostly of songs that no one heard of and it was great... Their last release was also pretty cool. It was a live disc with some rare tracks on it... And their last tour was just insane playing 90% songs from the 70's....

All this bickering goes nowhere. How about you listen to their first song/single/sample that they put out and decide if it's for you or not? It's pointless to bitch about a sound you've heard they're trying, but may or may not even materialize. Doesn't matter who is producing as long as the songs are good.

agh get a life pets