Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Think about all of us that ran out and bought multiple tickets(ticketmaster or ebay) and planned afairs to see them the 15th because we wanted the first crack at seeing the return, getting the news, hearing the material first, etc.. Why couldn't tehy had just added two shows instead of undercut the people who thought they had first crack ,now the true fans have to buy more fucking tickets instead of maybe just going the 15th or 17th.. ANother fucking rat race for tickets and more money spent and we got fucking tricked..
I have been nothing but positive and helpfull to everyone, but this is fucking bullshit plain and simple that are taking off work to see the other shows and missing shit that was in teh plans when the weekend was free.. Should have made the shows after not before or told all four at once.. :rant:

stop crying. ATLEAST YOU GET TO SEE THEM  :'(

Mike, why not just be happy you and some others are abe to go see GN'R in May?

yeah, and now you may get to see them multiple times...   8)

I see what Mike is saying...

I'm just concerned that GNR might cancel the 15th and 17th now. They can very easily decide that they'll be rehearsed enough because of the 12th and 14th and cancel the last two. I have a feeling that's what's gonna happen.  :nervous:

When do we find out if the new shows are confirmed?

I'm from Argentina dude, and I could offer Satan my two arms to see any of those concerts, and you're crying? No offenses dude, but you have to feel lucky... if you're pissed off, how do I and other fans from southamerica have to feel?

Be glad, you're going to be at a Guns N' Roses show. Enjoy it. We will have to keep praying and wait in the meantime.

because I bought tickets thinking those were the only shows, the first show was the 15th... If people can't see why this is wrong for some of us then I won't try explaining.. I have to take days off from work, but it was at least knowing I was going to see them first byt eh time I see them eevrything will be old news setlists news etc,.... I should have had the option to see them when I wanted not when tehy allowed me to..

people payed hundreds to brorkers because they wanted to see them first, now tehy have the third show, it's just wrong..

Hammerstein was booked after the 15th and 17th, and they need to get to Europe. SOOOO.... you either get a chance to buy more tickets to the 12th & 14th or you don't. What do you want? Do you want GN'R to cancel these ones so you can be the first to see them? Be glad you're going to anything at all. Perhaps the poor bastard you saw the other day who lives on the street saw an advertisement for one of the shows and he loves GN'R. Think about how envious he is of you that you get to go to one of the shows. Period. He doesn't. Furthermore, the 12th and 14th will really be warm-up shows compared to the 15th and 17th. By then they'll have perfected the sound, most of the songs, mic feedback areas, etc.

Many different ways to look at and respond to the way you're feeling right now. Is the cup half full or half empty? Be glad you can go for many reasons.

they probebly underestimated the amount of interest in the 15th and 17th shows and realised that they didnt have the time to do 2 more shows after them coz of the arrangements in europe,so they had to book a couple more before them.

theres just no pleasin some fukin poeple is there ?:rant:

No offense, but Mike is entitled to feel this way, and to a great degree he is right. These shows were not just added today. They probably have been in works for awhile, but I highly doubt anyone had bad intentions. I agree with him on most points, I too spent a lot of effort, grief and hours getting my tickets to the Monday night shows justas he did. Also, I asked off work today for the 15/16 so I could fly from LA. I will be at the 1st show on the 12th now, which means I might sell my Mon night floorGA ticket.

Quit crying man.....

What the little kids gonna have to do? :hihi:

When do tix for the 12th go on sale?

I had no problem waiting for a usa tour, I was like cool,at rio I would find out the news... I just don't like how after I mapped out my plans as many others did that we could had been told about weekends show that were first.. I just souldn't have went monday and weds if I knew about the other shows.. I made sure to be online to get tickets to the first shows, so now I am kind of pissed.. Plus you neevr know with ax;l, anything can happen, the shows can be gone by then..

thanks you are the only one who gets it...

Nah, I understand your flustration dude, you wanted to be there for the opener and get the surprise... and paid good money to do so. But, you're still getting to see guns dude!!!

The good news is - there are now going to be a bunch of May 15th tickets on Ebay - probably for less than $200. ?Now, the people that wanted to see them that didn't get the presale tickets can go on Ebay and pick up 15th tickets for $100-$125 a piece probably. ?And you and I can buy the May 12th tickets. ?Everyone is happy.

But I agree - it's a major inconvenience.  But that's Axl Rose.

i think its best that you and a couple of others are pissed off coz your plans got screwed than the other 7000 poeple not getting a chance at getting to see em. :peace:

Mike, while I completely see why you're pissed off, there's some of us here who can't even get to the shows. :( Damn my stupid friends who don't want to/can't go and the fact that even though I'm 19, my parents don't want me at Penn Station myself! Grr. Can't wait to read the reviews though!

I agree with ya Mike. ?If I bought a ticket for the 15th, got all excited about being among the first to witness GNR 2006 take off, then find out all of a sudden theres going to be dates before at the same venue after i bought my ticket...that would kind of suck.

I can't be the only one concerned that Axl will blow off the shows on the 15th and 17th now..or even just the 15th (the only one that i will be able to go to.)

The 14th/15th is the only night they're playing back to back, and I have a feeling that will prove to be a problem for the band.

I have a feeling I'm going to be royally fucked come the 15th!

this is equivelant to buying a rookie card then finding out the next day it's his third season...

Listen all these people that are like well at least I am seeing them, well fuck that.. You think I got to eevry show they ever play, do you think I run all aroudnthe country.. You think I cried because they played vagas or whatever and I didn't get to see them... NO I just waited like evryone else till msg. same as I would have done for after eruope..

Ohh I am sure some HTGTH studs would protect you...  :hihi:

I agree, I would be pissed too if I was Mike. ?There is something special about being at the 1st gig and watching Axl unveil the new line-up and possibly a new single.

Does anyone know if the 12th is confirmed and when tix go on sale

wel, run out and buy your next ticket being you got fucking screwed into thinking what you had was first..

I ran out to get tickets for the last two shows... yeah I always do that :hihi:

ding ding we have a winner give this man a cigar... That's the point, it's not like Im seeing some guy that tours or speaks ever, I wanted to be there to have it, instead I have old news tickets.. I'll enjoy the show but by trickery I bought the wrong tickets

4 dates at the same venue.  I hope they don't play the same set...

Sell your ones on the 15th and buy ones on the 12th...... you'll have no problem unloading the ones on the 15th.

I 100% agree with you.  I'm pissed.  I'm also pissed that I killed myself trying to get tickets, which turned out to be MEZZ2 tickets, and now theres gonna be a ton of floor tickets available.  ARG!

i like to think it would make sense for them to play back to back shows, bc when theyre in europe they ll be playing one night in one country only to fly to a different one and play the following night. so if they played back to back in ny at the same venue its not as challenging but they definetly need that confidence knowing they can perform at a high level on consecutive nights.

The last thing GNR is gonna do is cancel these highly-hyped shows in NYC. They are obviously doing them to get alot of press and have fans come from all over. Their stock (touring wise) is still very low in America and thus they will be judged by their European and NYC dates to as their reliability. The promoters lost alot of money on the last tour and they are not going to do so again with some assurances and a bit of a track record.

Better yet....all four shows will ROCK!  : ok:

I think all that needs to be said is Philadelphia.

Sold out show, insanely amazing show the night before at MSG, and then...a no-show.

Maybe I'm just a doubter because I was at the Philly show and saw this shit go down firsthand. I just hope I don't get screwed over by GN'R twice!  :no:

I think the band should be afforded some slack - they certainly didnt have to add extra shows to give more fans an opportunity to see them, but they did and should be applauded for it.  Who knows what the details were...perhaps these were the only dates they could manage?  Besides, Im sure you can manage to trade your tickets with somebody from the 5/12 show.

I do see your point, I wanted to see the 15th show for the same reasons, but I dont think its anything to be that upset about.  Regardless of the date, youre going to see the band in a great, small setting - an opportunity we might not see again any time soon. 

I wouldn't let my 19 year old go to Penn Station by himself either. ?Your dad is right. ?:)

I love the idea that they'll be sloppy the first couple of nights. ?These guys have had nothing to do but practice for about 10 years now. ?If they're sloppy that would be amazing.

Be glad you even get to see the band. To complain that they added more shows is severely fucked up imho.

-Gnr
+Clear Channel

They fucked up the tour with bullshit demands of Axl Rose.... trust me on this.

I'm sure they only intended to play the 15th and 17th.  The two new dates were probably added after they saw just how pumped up the fans were, and they were probably the two dates that either fit in best with a) the band's schedule, or b) Hammerstein's schedule.  There's no reason to be upset.  The notion that some trickery was used is crazy.  They don't give a crap about doing that kind of thing.

And I wouldn't worry about Axl ditching one or both of the last two gigs.  The first four shows, at a place like Hammerstein in New York, which the fans are so pumped for, and with Axl's rep?  No way.

Put yourself in the shoes of guys who don't have tickets yet (like me!).  I'm just damn glad I still have a chance.  A few days ago all of us would have been happy to know we had just one ticket to any one of these shows.

you got fucked , let everyone not see the point.. they knew there was 4 shows, they should have told the first two first then the others.. Be funny if there is nonew shows added
So yeah, you fought for first dibs on higher seats when you could have bought those floor seats blindfolded for the third now

I just wanted to have the choice to pay for teh tickets I wanted to, not have to find out later my first show tickets are now teh third show..

chinese blues man you can't even see the point... They fuckin fooled the fans,. people spent hundreds on ebay for maybe some fucking shittier seat they could have bought easily..

i am not pissed they added shows ,usualyl added would mean shows later not before.. They knew this before the sale happened

Even though I agree - I'm not whining b/c I live close enough that I can change my plans and go on the 12th instead. ?What about some of these crazy people coming from all over the place who have bought plane tickets.

Rule #1 - never book plane tickets or hotel that is non-refundable when it comes to Uncle Axl.

the point is be glad you get to see the band and stop complaining.

My deal isn't that what was the first show is now the 3rd show. I'm getting to see them and that's what matters - my deal is Axl might decide he doesn't want to do the gigs on the 15th and 17tg after all, and then we're outta luck. Its happened before, and I just hope history doesn't repeat itself.

 ?Yeah Mike,I know what you mean. It's like buying tix to an event movie (Batman,Star Wars,etc.) for the first day FIRST show....and then getting word that "Oh wow! There's gonna be a midnight 1st show instead!!" However,these tix cost much more than that.

 ?But,yeah at least we will be seeing them. I'd rather have my 17th ticket in hand then having nothing and reading on this board for days as to how fun it is/going to be. That would drive me in-fuckin'-sane.

 
 I think everyone is clear on my Philadelphia show thoughts...... :rofl:.....but,I think you'll be okay BH,as I heard on MMR (an overnight DJ said) that Tommy said at the Soul Asylum show that "Axl is much different than just a few years ago." ?Maybe he's tightened up and got his shit in order and is ready to fuckin' rock!!
 ?Let's hope!!!!

 ? MATT

Stop being such a fucking kid and understand the reality.. it's not about seeing the band, it was havingthe tickets I wanted.. I was in control of what I got, now the glory of seeing the first show is gone, that's what I wanted...

Oh if this was velvet revolver all of you would have been like that's fucking lame :hihi:

All I asked was that we had the chance to pick teh shows we wanted to and then fend later if we missed... There was no rush for the last two shows, there would have been easier selections.. There was a great exctiment about being first, that was the draw about the first show(15)..

Now I am going to buy yet another ticket.. Some of you can neevr just understand things, people have lives it's not just oh it's gnr or it's axl be glad..

that sums it up right there/.. it's not like I don't feel like I can ejoy the show, I just am pissed that someone sold me premiere tickets to the third showing, then they say hey those super hard tickets to get are now not wortht eh same..

yeah people coming from out of town that might not have had to miss work now are stuck.... people need to realise not everyone is some kid living with his mommy that has zero things besides gnr..

As long as they don't cancel any, the more the better in my opinion.

cmon people, now were bitching about being able to see guns n roses, give me a break, i dont know how these new dates affect anything, u can still get ticks for those if u have to see them first, personally i would much rather see the last show than the first, thats when everything really comes out!

Man you have no idea do you? So you dont get to go to the first show now, so what? Would you rather not see them at all? No one is forcing you to buy more tickets, it's completely up to you. Besides, I posted yesterday about 2 other shows possibly being added. So it's not like not like everyone didnt know that it was a possibility.

I dont understand why u have to change your plans? just act like the new shows were never announced, just because there is 2 earlier shows doesnt mean u have to go them, who told you that you have to cancel reservations because there is 2 news shows?   

Oh you posted that, so I should have known that.. You just don't understand, I wanted the choice to pick what show I went to, peole have went the extra mile because they wanted to witness the return first.. people are missing work, taking time off from their weekday lives to get here when they could have seen them on the weekend and not lost job time..

everyone is so care free like oh you are getting to see them.... That's fine man, I could have at least had a choice, it's fucked up to add shows before the ones they listed after people rushed to be first and booked things from a far

 Some of you can neevr just understand things, people have lives it's not just oh it's gnr or it's axl be glad..

Mike, I understand, it would be great to see them the first night. In hindsight they should have announced the earlier dates FIRST, then the latter two shows. I was let down completely at the Philly show. I found out about 11:15 it was off. Now that YOU will never understand. I see you post here alot saying, "Who knows, anything can happen with this band" Well, came back to haunt you eh? 8)

I know you hate this shit, but try and look at it not as "I'm not seeing GnR on the first night" but "I'm finally seeing GnR again!!!".

Good luck though, I want a thorough review of the show and band from you the following day. We're counting on you.? :peace:

Realistically, management probably had the first two shows already booked, but based on the sale of the 15th and 17th showings. ?If sales were great which they were, they would go ahead with the 12th and 14th, if they werent good, then it would just be those two dates. So what Im saying is the 12th and 14th was not an idea that was thought of today, they planned it in advance, and based on the great sales for the 15th and 17th, theyre excuting their full plan. ?Plus if they were to cancel those shows it would not look good for GNR in NY again especially since how Axl has been there for a long time, I doubt club owners wouldnt think too much of him if he pulled another stunt like in philly.

you still have the choice, you can obviously sell the tickets you have now and then buy ones for the 12th. The funniest thing is, the only people who are complaining are the ones who always have something negative to say about the band. They add more shows and you still complain, is there anything they can do that will please you?  ::)

Mike - in all sincerity, I mean no disrespect, and I understand your frustration - if it were me, I'd probably feel disappointed at the least, if not exactly the same myself. ?Even more, I came up empty-handed today, and would do anything to have scored some tickets this morning. ?I'm jealous that you're at least seeing *a* show, if not the one you'd prefer to see.

That said, your quote of "I was in control of what I got" made me smile - I think it's abundantly clear that the only one person has control of what you get with GnR, and that's Axl. ?Hell, even if I get tickets - and I'm really hoping I can come up with two - things like "will Axl show?", "will it be cancelled by the time I drive to NYC?," etc. will be recurring thoughts.

Like I said, though, I understand your point.

What a bunch of fucking crybabies we have here today!!!! Noone told you to buy tickets, and the other posters were right, there were rumors of earlier shows before these even went on sale. As for the over paying of tickets when more will now be avalible, that's your own decision. I bought one from stubhub before hand, then i got two this morning. I am never going to get what i paid for the ticket back, but no one forced me to do so. A few weeks ago, everyone was bitching because they are touring europe first, then we these aweomse shows in a small gig, and people were pissed over the presale, which was a gift that management was under no obligation to provide for any of us, especially considering so many bitch and complain about axl/merck all the time. Then people complained they couldn't get tickets. Well now we have two more shows to go to, people that didnt get them can go to these, and they again provided us a presale. We will get to see guns n roses in a setting few have ever been able to, they are back after 4 years, and above all THEY DON"T OWE YOU CRAP!!! The tickets would sell no matter what, they didn't need to help us out and they did. So shut up and stop whining before they never help us out again. I swear some of you must be 12 years old. Noone said take off work and avoid other plans. There are roughly 14,000 tickets for 4 shows in the u.s., which may be all the U.S. gets this year, so be grateful you can even go.

Well, anyone who paid hundreds on Ebay is a dummy.  Why would you do that yet when the general sale hasn't even happened yet?  That's buying a ticket from a scalper when the event isn't sold out!!!  Yeah, makes sense!!!!


I'm trying to cry about this, but somehow I can't bring myself to.  :P

I'm teasing.  I get your point.  But you are over-reacting.  The main thing here is to see your fave band in a great venue like Hammerstein perform a warm up gig with new songs.  Who cares really if you weren't the first to see them unless you just wanna brag to everyone about it?  The new songs will still be new a few days later.  It'll still be the first time you hear them so the magic should still be there for you.  And they will probably even sound better since they will have shaken off some of the rust.  The only thing you lose out on is probably Axl's biggest day of ranting about the shit that's happened the past three  years.  :rant:

But it sounds like you're buying the new tickets too.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  You will be out only $65 because you live in NY.  So it's really not that bad.

Let's put things in perspective.  I live in Canada.  I had no tickets today because I couldn't get a day off work to fly down to see either of the 17th or 15th shows.  Last night and this morning I would have given my left nut to be able to get that day off to see one of these shows.  I still have a shot and my left nut is still intact.  What a relief!  ;D

I'm sure you can see where we are coming from too.

because the attraction is it was first,.. it would be like telling some star wars geek hey those tickets you just spent a week in line for and are missing work for are the third day.. It's about being first, getting the news first.. it was about buying tickets knowing you were getting to do eevrything first... That's how I feel and people should respect that, I wouldn't have bougth tickets for work days if I knew there were earlier shows.. They could have said all four at once, whgy wait until after we bought them...? Not like they just booked the shows this minute..



yeah I am seeing axl again, that is very cool.. One day I hope to see gnr again..

yet you are the one that would never see the reality of someone's point that isn't pro axl.. I said the added shows is great because it gives us four but we should have been told the first shows first... What's so hard to get, the 15th selling point was being first show abck

gunner man another person that doesn't see the reality.. ANother just be glad you ge to go.. I wouldn't have bought weekday tickets if there was a choice..

Yeah, announce a tour like every other  band on the planet.

I feel for eevryone in philly, I went to msg I was pumped shit was going so well.. Man don't expect the reviews from me I'll be sleeping hungover.. :peace:

yeah man I get everything you say, I just was so glad I scored tickets for teh first show, now isntead I haev tickets for the third.. man it's like being into baseball going to the season opener, the third is still teh same team and all but it's not opening day..

Just for the record, I'm not complaining about more shows being added - its great for those who didn't get tickets yet, because its two more chances for them to see a show. The band and management are hooking us up which is freaking awesome of them to do as they did not have to, and in a way, we certainly don't deserve it!

But I do have to wonder why they didn't just bother announcing the 12th and 14th first. I really can't see where they were coming from on that one. Again, not a complaint, more of a curiosity really. I don't know of any other bands that have announced tour dates like that.

My MAIN worry (again, a worry, not a complaint) is that Axl decides he doesn't want to do either the 15th/17th or both of them in favor of the earlier gigs. I'm sure he knows that he can't risk canceling them because it'd be a PR nightmare, but its happened before, and with GN'R, you can't assume anything until the band is on the stage. I don't feel safe/comfortable knowing that my show is the second of back to back nights.

No kidding.. quit your whining and appreciate what you got..

ever hear of Treasure of the Sierra Madre?

But I do have to wonder why they didn't just bother announcing the 12th and 14th first. I really can't see where they were coming from on that one. Again, not a complaint, more of a curiosity really. I don't know of any other bands that have announced tour dates like that.

My MAIN worry (again, a worry, not a complaint) is that Axl decides he doesn't want to do either the 15th/17th or both of them in favor of the earlier gigs. I'm sure he knows that he can't risk canceling them because it'd be a PR nightmare, but its happened before, and with GN'R, you can't assume anything until the band is on the stage. I don't feel safe/comfortable knowing that my show is the second of back to back nights.

Realistically, management probably had the first two shows already booked, but based on the sale of the 15th and 17th showings. ?If sales were great which they were, they would go ahead with the 12th and 14th, if they werent good, then it would just be those two dates. So what Im saying is the 12th and 14th was not an idea that was thought of today, they planned it in advance, and based on the great sales for the 15th and 17th, theyre excuting their full plan. ?Plus if they were to cancel those shows it would not look good for GNR in NY again especially since how Axl has been there for a long time, I doubt club owners wouldnt think too much of him if he pulled another stunt like in philly.

And I get that. ?Be glad you're not me, though, and still trying to get two tickets to any of the shows.

All this quoting is getting to be too damned long...

Burning hills, i know how you feel, i have tix for the 17th. However, i think the press is going to be all over these shows considering where they are, and that it's the first ones in the tour. He needs good press from all four shows or he can probably kiss any attempt at an american tour goodbye, especially knowing clear channel is promoting these shows.

How about peole try this on for size.. I bought four tickets from ticketmaster today because that was part of the plan of helping other to see the first show because we didn't want real fans getting jipped or shut out.. So myself bought those tickets and there were people shut out and now they haev tickets from me for regular price and will be handed over to them at the pre party at mustangharrys... So don't get on my fucking ass like I'm crying or some baby shit ,I bought extra tickets because i knew it would suck to be shut down, or someoen out of state or someone not with access to PC because he might work construction or not have a credit card.. So I spent the money to help others who now have seats for the first./third show; So let me bitch and moan a bit, if I had the option I would have bought the extra tickets to help others for the 12 instead...

It's not just about seeing the band, ?it was also about helping my fellow forum bro an sis, so at least think why I might be upset..

dont get mad, GET GLAD ?:beer:

I'm sure Axl knows and understands that. I'm not disputing that. But, it won't be hard for him to go "Well, fuck, I just played on Friday and Sunday, I don't feel like playing tonight. There's always Wednesday."

I highly doubt the Hammerstein would be disappointed if he showed up 3 out of 4 shows. They can always use the reasoning that most people are going to multiple shows and that missing one isn't a big deal because they'll just be going to the next one. That isn't the case in my book - I can only afford/make it to the show on the 15th, and it would suck if they axed it in the end.

Well man I might have one extra for the 15th, if so come to the pre party, that was my plan teh whole time

you ungrateful fuck!!! your egoistical personality shines through, even through your everlasting and blatant negativity! think about the MILLIONS of fans worldwide who have never seen nor will never see guns n' roses live, you haven't only been to shows before but you are going to TWO this summer! show some fucking gratitude you selfish bastard! this really pisses me off, i just lost any last shred of respect i might have had for you.

That is the first thing that ran through my mind

I refuse to believe at this point with the band Axl would or could afford to just get up and decide one day to cancel any of these shows!!!

I think for a band that hasnt played together in 4 years,overall this is too much right now. ?I only hope its not at our expense for those you have tix to the 15th and 17th shows. ?So time will tell how committed they are. ?If they want to make the most of this current GNR band, they wont cancel any shows, get CD out and keep touring, which pretty much was the plan in 02, just to tour. ?Even robins letter last year was the plan is to tour and to tour. ?So maybe everyones taking this current chance seriously, i just think its too much at one time .

I agree with alot of what Mike said. They knew these shows were gonna sell out damn fast and we all expected more shows to be added but I have never seen more shows added at earlier dates. Not informing fans that the additional dates would be earlier in the month was poor judgement. Mike is no doubt happy to be seeing Guns but like Mike, I thought when trying to buy for the 15th it was going to for Gn'R's first show in 4 years, not their 3rd. ?I'm super pumped to be going(yeah I got tickets now, forever indebt to Mr. Intensity 8)) but it would;'ve bee nice had the enw shows been added after the 17th or at the very least we should have been informed of these shows before today because they were obviously planned well in advance. the bright side is that by the 15th all the kinks will be worked out and the band will be hititng on all cylinders. Slash and Duff are gonna need a few shows to wear off the VR rust. :hihi:

That is what most people are saying but with Axl's track record it's hard to stay 100% positive. ? On the flip side..Neemo and Backslash were saying that by Monday the show should be awesome cux they will have warmed up for 2 nights. ? ?As great as that sounds I am still scared :nervous:

well good luck to eevryone for tomorrow's tickets... I was pretty mad when I saw new dates, just understand that.. I am anxious like evryone else, but I was efven more anxious because I thought I had first show tickets

fuck off already, you're such an ass that could never get it..? Like I need the respect of an asswipe..? ?Big fucking deal not eevryone is going to see them, do you think I wa crying when they were going to rio first..? I was just like cool something we'll get news then

yeah it was ego fuckstick

I am giving three tickets to forum members

i some what understand it alittle, if they announced that the first shows would be on the 12th and 14th, (fri and sunday). ?then added 2 more shows monday and wednesday. ?it would be alot tougher to sell those shows out. ?so they first announce the 15th and 17th, which sold out, now we all know the 12th and 14th are goign to sell out just because of the convience of the dates. ?again this isnt something that was thought of this morning, this probably was planned in advance.

being disappointed when you have tickets to a fucking guns n' roses show should be against the law. it just goes to show what kind of people you are.

how i am an ass? or an "asswipe"? you're the most ignorant old person i've seen. you fuck off, i'm not gonna sit here and argue over the internet, i'm done with your pathetic ass. good day.

why can't you understand it's about being told you are rushing out to buy tickets for the first show and it's actually the third.? I am anxious to see axl rose, I'll be happy to see gnr if they ever reunite

I'm so old, i'm 29 :hihi:

Understood but besides just the first show thing...forget about that. ?He will be doing a show sunday then monday, who knows if he will blow off monday's show...you just don't know with Axl...that's why some of us are having a hard time with it. ?Plus it's been a real stressfull week with this...this was sorta the last thing I think any of us wanted to see...but I am glad for people who didn't get tickets will now have 2 other chances.

I have to say I'm a bit dissapointed.  I bought a ticket to the May 15th show and made arrangements to get work off and fly in from LA to see it.  The element of surprise was very exciting.  However, and the energy of the band was guaranteed to be high because it was the first time they'd performed in over 3 years.  Now it will betheir third show in 4 days, at the same venue.  I'm sure the show will be great, but the anticipation and mystery surrounding who will be the third guitarist if there is one, what new songs they'll be playing, and all that is gone because I'll already know in advance.  If I'd known about the shows on the 12th and 14th, I would've gone to those shows, and I would have seen both of them because they're both on the weekend

I'm just glad to have f*ckin tickets.

I don't think he'll be blowing off ANY shows somehow.

I'm not gunna complain about more shows being booked , c'mon more shows are a blessing obviously!! But c'mon , it woulda made more sence to get the 12th and 14th dates set up FIRST & then announ ce the 15th and 17th dates!

I feel bad for those who bought tix to see the FIRST "comeback" show and maybe hear new material live "first" only to have these dates slapped in their faces.

But again , the more shows the better!  : ok:

Where is all this uncertainty about Axl coming from? ?Everyone seems to have this big fear that the smallest thing will set Axl off, and it seems like media bullshit to me. ?We've got no idea what happened at Philly but I'll bet you anything it wasn't cause Axl didn't feel like it or cause he wanted to watch a Basketball game. ?There's no way they are going to possibly say, hey we committed to these four shows but we don't need to rehearse anymore so lets just blow these next two shows over. ?

I have the feeling alot of people are getting sucked into this perception that Axl is so unstable that if someone looks at him the wrong way the whole show is going to be cancelled.

I'm not too disappointed, mainly because I'm planning on attending the show on the 12th. ?I'd feel pretty pissed if I was planning on attending both shows though... best case, just trade tickets so you can see them early and late

The uncertainty comes from his history obviously...no doubt there may have been good reasons for his cancellations...maybe not...whatever the case it still makes me nervous...and I have to agree with everyone else who feels disappointed that wanted to see the first show and now it's the 3rd show.   I wanted that first time they take the stage energy also.

man, how about the people who showed up at the concert and the band never did?  Thats something to bitch about, not adding shows.

To sum it up, more shows = good
more gnr= good
No shows = bad
cancelled shows = bad
no gnr=bad
axl not showing up= bad

now i hope that clears it up, the only bitching i wanna hear from now on is "fuck, i went to the show and they cancelled it"(well i dont wanna hear that) other than that We have no reason to complain. and i am not a teen whos mommy is paying for this, i too have a life and a job and the fact that 2 more shows were added did nothing to affect my situation whatsoever, its not like they moved the shows or something.

excactly.

Wow. Some people sure have easy lives if this is something to complain about. Jeez...

That's so wrong Speed_Stone. In my case there is no way I can make the show on the 12th or 14th but, BUT if I could have made those shows and they announced them after the fact I would also be a bit ticked off. The idea of seeing Guns' first show in 4 years was what made the show on the 15th so appealing. That's why I tried so hard for tickets to the 15th rather than the 17th. now add in the fact that those of us who live out of town(Alberta, Canada in my case) has to take time off work for the shows on the 15th and 17th. Had we known there would be two shows on the weekend alot of people would have likely tried for those tickets. like I said earlier NEVER have I seen shows added at earlier dates than the original dates. Gn'R management as well as the promoters had these new shows planned well in advance, don't kid yourself. To not announce them sooner was a bit decieving. ?I am overly pumped to be going on the 15th and like I said I wouldn't be able to make the shows on the 12th or 14th anyways but I'll admit when those two shows were added I also felt a bit jobbed that I was now going to the 3rd show. Plus hey the show on the 12th is a Friday night. Who wouldn't want to go to that show instead had they had ?the opportunity or knowledge of it.

I honestly don't care about being the first to see them back, but it would have been a nice bonus.  I just want to see them and I'm concerned now with 2 shows before this that something will piss Axl off and I won't get to see them on the 15th.  Its not like its unprecidented.  I don't understand the people on here saying stuff like "oh he won't pull a no-show because it'd be bad press for the tour", Axl is a brilliant musician but he's completely unstable.  He doesn't give a fuck if there's bad press, unless someone gives a bad show review and sets him off.  I'm glad there's more of an opportunity for people to get tickets but I feel like it might be less of an opportunity for anyone with tickets to actually see the band.

Think about it for one second... what history. ?St. Louis, Montreal, Vancouver, Philly. ?These are the only shows that Axl had some part in cancelling. ?The other shows are either the consequence of the above shows being cancelled or were cancelled with lots of notice. ?Of the above shows, two of them were cancelled in the middle of the concert due to technical difficulties/fans riotting and were beyond the control of Axl to stop. ?Vancouver was cancelled by the promoter without any say from Axl and Philly is anyone's guess. ?Why people are imagining that Axl is going to just cancel two shows cause he doesn't feel like playing is beyond me. ?I've never heard of Axl giving anything but his best at a concert.

No-one with tix to the 15th can honestly say that they feel 100% comfortable knowing that its the second show of back to back performances. I really hope Axl comes through for us all, and I know that he will - but history makes me always have that sliver of doubt in my mind...

Wow! Do you realies how naive that sounds. Axl has a long history of not showing up or walking off stage minutes into a show. Where have you been? it's not media bullshit. Missing shows without explanation means there was no acceptable explanation. Axl has done it far too many times in the past for people not to be a bit concerend. I've travelled before to a show that never happend so hell yeah I'm concerend with a repeat of Vancouver in New York.

Well said!! 

If Axl doesn't show on Monday we'll be reading about MikeGuiliana handcuffed and dragged out of Hammerstein by several police officers following one of the worst riots since the Los Angeles 1991 race riots. HAHAHA!!! :hihi: ?:hihi: ?:hihi:

also people, u gotta realize that the room could be booked for other stuff too(private partys, etc..), the fact that tickets were selling is the reason they added the shows and the 12th and the 14th were probably the only dates they could get in.  I know that avenged 7fold will be playing their the 19th and the 20, and who knows there could be a million things going on at the hammerstein on the 18th and between the 21st and the 26th.  Its not like the place is empty every day theres not a concert, I believe that(as i stated earlier in this post) the success of the presale is what caused the new shows(obviously) and the only dates that made sense were the ones they picked, probably because there was nothing else going on there. Now lets stop the bitchin and start prepin for what will be the 4 most incredible shows the hammerstein has ever seen, and we will make sure of that!!!

Who cares if they added two new shows.  They're playing again and that's awsome.  I would love a album announcement though.

I'll fucking freak also if the show on the 15th gets axed. I'm not in the mod to have back to back Gn'R gigs that In traveled long distances for be cancelled last second. ?Driving though the mountains in the worst snow storm/road conditions I have ever seen was enough let alone the thought of flying to New York for yet another riot. Been there done that.

I can.  But then again, I'm an eternal optimist.  Not to mention the NY press would eat Axl alive if he blew off one of these shows, I believe.

-darknemus

If all 4 shows go off without a hitch (which I'm not convinced is going to happen yet) - I would like to see them do what the Black Crowes did when they did a week-long stand at the Hammerstein last year - a totally different set every night. That way it makes each show unique so that it doesn't really matter if its the first show or the last, you're guaranteed a unique show no matter what!

excellent observation!

wow, just heard about this.  I would be dissapointed if I had tickets for the 15 and 17th also.  Since the last date I had tickets for got cancelled.  But then again, I still believe in Axl.  Some might say I'm crazy.  :rofl:

wow mike... your constant complaining about this band never ceases to amaze me.  They didn't HAVE to even do this pre-sale for us.  Some people who would die to go to just one of these shows, don't get to go to any!   Be happy with what you have.  I'm going on the 17th, and I'd love to see the other 3, but I live in Arizona, so thats just not possible.  I still consider myself lucky for getting to see Guns this year. 

i personally think it ll come down to just waiting and seeing, theres 25 days till the 15th, thats not too far away. so he ll either show, or he wont. ?does anyone know his history of playing on back to backs, other then the philly show?

ps they will be rusty as hell on the 12, the 15th could have the potential to be a real dynamite show too

People need to stop complaining, its Guns n Roses. You are all forgetting that Axl is once again dealing with Clear Channel, you can bet all your money that they have learnt their lesson from 2002, the contract that Axl must have signed with them must be a legal masterpiece. He wont cancel, he cant cancel. And to be quite honest im kind of pleased that i have tickets to the 15th....... im not trying to have a go at anyone going on the 12th or the 14th but this will probably be the 2nd or 3rd time the band will have played together as a complete entity (if anyone doubts this please go and listen to the 2001 Vegas bootleg Axl states that he only went to one rehearsal before the show, the band are in LA, Axl is in NY). Not to mention the fact that if you believe the current rumours they STILL dont have a 3rd guitarist, or if they do, the guy has only been learning the material for a few days. The band wont be as tight as they will be towards they end of their hammerstein stint, and hopefully by the time Rio rolls around, they will all have clicked and be fucking amazing!

So everyone stop moaning, each date has its advantages and disadvantes, you are still seeing a rare thing.......... you are all seeing Guns n Roses play in a small intimate venue. You are seeing the start of something!

Goodluck to everyone hoping to get tickets!

Jonx

Thank you Jonx, people look at this great thing and still complain. I have tix to the 17th, can't wait. Loses no luster to me at all.

I do too.. I personally think the final night just might be the best  : ok:  as it was on the 2002 tour.

The show hasn't lost its luster to me at all by any means. The chance to see GNR in a theater doesn't happen too often, and I'm still psyched.

Only bad thing is the element of surprise is gone, and I may avoid the forums that weekend anyway so that I can still go into Monday's show not knowing anything so that it'll all be news to me regardless.

As I said, this all depends on whether Axl shows up that night or not, and I'm not going to be convinced until he's onstage.

I agree with Mike here, to an extent.  I'm not whining, not ungrateful, I just feel a bit jolted for the folks that felt like they were experiencing the unique rush of an official unveiling of sorts.  It's the second night of a back to back and the only date with no rest dates in between, which history has proven is not a very reliable formula for Axl.  The band may be firing on all cylinders come the 17th after 3 shows under their belts and a day of rest, but if he decides to show for the 15th, there's a good chance that he'll be fatigued and his voice will be shot considering the fact that hasn't toured regularly in a long while...And again, NOT speaking in absolutes here, but I certainly empathize.

Let's keep in mind that the 2002 MSG show was their third show in four days too, so maybe that's a good sign for those of us going on the 15th :hihi:

Fair point, my good man!

If Axl blows off even one of these four shows, then its official commercial suicide, and he can kiss any hopes of a comeback goodbye. But, again, this is Axl and nothing is ever written in stone.

Axl's not blowing off any shows... in case you can't tell this was planned.

The shows going on sale first were obviously the weaker dates available.. Monday and a Wednesday.

They knew we'd all go crazy and those would sell out in minutes. Then what better to add shows on weekend days Friday+Sunday when more people are free off work.

Axl knew he was going to play four dates most likely and he committed to them. I am sure Axl is just as excited to get back on stage as we are to see him. I am absolutely stoked that I know for sure I'll be at two of these shows. Ohh well, if I don't get to see the 3rd guitarest unveiled live.... I'll try my best too though..

Stop worrying he is going to cancel out dates, you're being paranoid. :peace:

I am an Aussie and I would give my left nut to be at the 2nd or 3rd show and wouldn't even care if it was the 17th show.
I can see your point though to some degree.

there will only be 1 back to back on the 06 europe tour, but alot show off show off ... which traveling will be done on the off days, so im sure that willcause ?more fatigue then doing back to back shows at the same venue in ny, besides he needs to these back to back shows the 14 and 15th, because one if he isnt that sharp the NY crowd will love his willingness to go for it, two he ll need to work on stamina and see if he can perform at that high level on consecutive nights.

thats what im saying !!!

God you guys are such crybabies..When did GNR say the 15th would be their first show?? what about the people in Rio who thought it would be the first..what about Philly, they have reason to bitch.. You just (stupidly) assumed it'd be the first... Deal with it, enjoy the show and shut the fuck up!!

Not for anything, but wasn't the 2002 tour planned as well?

lol @ people flying in to lisbon from other countries because they thought they'd be catching the first show :hihi: :rofl:

Well, you can argue that they never said the 15th wasn't the first show, either. It works both ways. Like I said, I don't care about that as much as making sure Axl shows up. That's my main concern for the 15th. Yes, it was all planned, obviously, but that hasn't made the difference in the past.

And I was at the Philly show, so I have earned the right to be skeptical!  : ok: :peace:

Yes...really stupid to assume it was the first show considering that it was the 1st show as of this morning....when they went on sale....

something was fishy about the 2002 tour, it seemed that it was never well received, always on shaky legs, axl wasnt confident about CD coming out ... those are the vibes i picked up. ?now im getting a different vibe, everything that fortus said so far has been true ie tour in 06, tommy and dizzy never got anything right.....so the dates are a surpise to us, but not to management or axl, we were shocked when the first added the 15th and 17th, now we re shocked again in a different way, bottom line is we believe in gnr in 03,04,05 when nothing was goign on. now theres alot of action, lets have alittle faith and its not like we ll be waiting for the unknown, the 15th show is in 25 days, thats nothing ... i believe it will happen, but we just have to wait and see

See, that's the thing. It shouldn't be a game of holding your breath until the band hits the stage, and as much as I love the band and support this band (Hey, I kept the faith after Philly - do you know how hard that was to do?) that's the one thing that drives me up a fucking wall - why must there be an uncertainty as to whether the band will play or not? Does any other band have these kinds of issues? Look at the stones, these guys are 20 years older than Axl and honor all of their concert dates..with GN'R its a crapshoot, always has been and always will be.

If the show on the 15th does get axed, I better find out before I make the 2 1/2 hour ride to New York.

You know better...I was in Philly...we won't know until chairs start flying...

im trekking up too, however i have family up around ny, but it would certaintly be convienent if we were to find out it was canned before we got there, but it doesnt always work that way

Too true my man - too true.

Yeah, I have family in Binghampton as does my girlfriend, but I doubt either one of them would want me and my friend dropping by at 3 AM looking for shelter!  :hihi:

I dunno, but back in 91 I saw back to back GNR shows at MSG, DEC 9th , 10th...........wasnt a prob.

i ve been saying all along, if this version of gnr wants to be taken seriously, they need to perform as a band thats hungry, bc this line up hasnt really given the fans anything to cheer about, their most memorable performance was followed by a no show and cancellation, so they need to step out and sweep these 4 dates in ny

If your pissed off and want to sell your tickets for the 15th or 17th let me know. I need 1 pair, I don't care what section. Please...

lol, i don't think anyone is ready to sell their tickets yet..we're just a bit suspicious as to how this is all going to play out now, is all!  : ok:

i hope for those of us who have tickets on the 15th, dont have to become part of that thread that was for people who were so close to seeing gnr but for whatever reason it never happened

I hear you man - been there/done that once already and I don't want history to repeat itself!

any other band back to back wouldnt be an issue, but everythings an issue with gnr, maybe its why we support them so much, who knows


im also going to stay away from any sites during that weekend, so everything will be a surprise when i go, the setlist , new member? .. everything ... even if they show lol

I'm still skeptical about these new dates, honestly. Ticketmaster still has no mention of them yet, and the new pre-sale password came from a different address than the other shows. Who knows.

If Axl doesn't show on the 15th, I'm through with this band for good.

If I don't get tickets to any of the other shows, I'm not sure I could wait until the 17th to be surprised! I'd want to, but ultimately curiosity would get the better of me

i didnt even get a new email concerning the new dates, but it doesnt matter, i cant really afford to buy two more tickets, so its the 15th or bust. ?like i said earlier though, these dates are a suprised to us, not axl or the band

Mike,

  Don't sweat it.  It's Guns N' F'in Roses man!  In a small venue no less!  I've been posting for awhile mentioning how jealous I am of the European folks being able to get the first tour in years.  These shows give us something in America.  Be positive.   :peace: 
  When I saw them in Boston, 2002, it wasn't the first or last show...just then best!  (in my biased eyes  ;) ) 
 

Now we're complaining about more shows?

of course, its mikeguiliana.  He's been doing this for years.  Nothing is ever good enough, always something to whine about.

unless of course your name is Slash, then you can do no wrong.

It's not just him, alot of us have been voicing our opinions and are dismayed.   We are paranoid GNR fans and some of us really wanted the first show and we are afraid of anything going wrong with the back to back situation.  It's been a stressfull day and this was a shock well at least to me.  I know this was rumored before the sale of the 15th and 17th shows...but I guess most of us thought it was exactly that..a rumor.   

They should annouce a show on the 10th next week...just for good measure.

I won't say anyone is wrong or right to feel how they do - it's their own reaction based on their views, so it's right to them.  You won't be able to argue anyone out of their own inner feeling(s).  That being said, I think mike will be at least a smidgen less upset as soon as the first notes are played at the show he's at. 

Don't let it ruin your day, man.

I know this is getting a bit off-topic but if anybody was at the ACC in Toronto they know that it felt like a riot would break out any moment. They cut off beer sales and random fights were breaking out all over the arena. There was also a considerable police presence....nearly two hours after Mixmaster Mike's set GNR hit the stage. Travelling to Toronto is one thing, but there are alot more expenses involved in going to NYC...although I would enjoy it even without GNR I would be pissed to make this huge effort just to have them not show.

people complaing should be ashamed, really.  :-\

Just be happy man. Axl is obviously gonna take his third return seriously by booking all these dates. It doesn't matter if he would book 8 more dates in the Ballroom. It's gonna be very fucking special to see this man out and about again either way.

I'm not really complaining,  I'm psyched for the show.  It's just that I wish they would have scheduled the 12th and 14th shows first, then the 15th and 17th.  There is something about being at their first show back that was really exciting to me.  Not to say I'm not still excited, but hey, I'm spending a lot of money to fly from LA to NYC, stay in NYC for two nights, taking three days off from work, and for all that I would have liked to see the first show.  As long as GnR takes the stage the night I'm at Hammerstein, believe me I'm happy, but I'm not going to lie and say I wouldn't prefer to be at the show on the 12th  :smoking:

Just be happy GNR will be back on stage - Yes, there's the romantic notion of catching the first show. But considering the 4-year layoff we've had to endure, I'll take what I can get.

And furthermore - Who's really all that shocked? "Fucked up" is the first phrase that comes to mind when I think of the world of GNR, and considering what went down in 2002, these new shows aren't anything worth dwelling on negatively.

Have a fuckin cry. Guns aint been to Australia in 13 fuckin years, and when they do show up I wont bitch about going to a show coz they played the night b4 or some shit. Atleast you get to see em man so wake up.



 :peace:

thats an understandable attitude.  :yes:  but 'this is fucked up how dare they fuck the fans over like this' is IMO being ungreatful for all the trouble they went thru to even do the pre-sale.

People will always find something to complain about.

First it was "No word from anyone, no album..."

Then it was "Europe before the US? WHAT THE FUCK?"

Then it was "We won't get any tickets, we need a pre-pre sale"

Now it is "I WON'T GET TO SEE GN'R FIRST"...

GROW THE FUCK UP.

I'm with you there dude.

Some people always find something to complain about.

Axl and co. can't do anything right.

I "was" excited about seeing the first show back

But I'm also happy more of you will get the chance to just see GNR

I'm still excited about seeing what I'm seeing.

Just wish they put the 12th and 14th tickets on sale fist, but I ain't gonna bitch.  At least this way I'm not camping out for multiple days waiting for the 15th show.  Good thing I'm busy the 12th any way. 

Good for you with the money and time to travel around the country attending Every GNR show, that's gotta be nice.




I think that a lot of people went all out on ebay and shit to be able to see the 15th for the 1st show reasons and that does suck that they got ripped off by scalpers and misinformed by everything else

I completely agree - how quickly some people's attitude towards the band/management can change.  I was incredibly lucky to get a ticket for both nights and because I'm flying from the UK, have no way of changing plans and trying to get tickets for earlier.  But, am I complaining, no, because I'm finally getting to see the band I love in the type of small venue that I thought I could only dream about.  So what, if it's not the first show - as you said Christos, what about all the people who thought RIR would be the first show - are they on here complaining?  Some people can't appreciate what they've got.

Something I learnt a long time ago about supporting GNR was to appreciate the unpredictability - and yes, I've been on the receiving end of a cancelled show.  Axl is the greatest frontman in the world and I, for one, appreciate the fact that he will only go on stage when he feels able to give 100%, whenever and wherever that may be.  If I want safe predictability, I'll go and support someone else who is happy to run through the motions each night.

Oh and just a thought for those who are putting so much store in seeing the first show - ever considered that GNR might play a West Coast warm-up or two before NY - just as they did in '91?  ;D

Roll on 15 May - I can't wait.   :peace:

cyllan

remember out ta get me rant from the ritz where he's saying about people telling you how to live your lives and how  to act, etc?? Well you people are telling me that shit and I don't need it either... I may have come on strong and the same few nobbers came in to run and tell me I was crying or whining because it's guns n fucking roses or just be glad you have a tickets... Well I say I am very glad I have tickets, but also fuck what some of you said.. Many people voiced their opinions agreeing with me and have the decency to understand the fact that 2 warm up shows were announced so people scrambling to get 2nd mezz tickets for the 15th could have no easily gotten floor level instead. People like myself bought tickets not only because of who the band was, but also because they were under the impression they were seeing the band first.. Stop acting like oh it's gnr just be happy, fuck it, if I was under the impression that I was paying my own fucking money to see something first then I have every right to be upset if they decide to false advertise and slip two shows in before the ones that were supposed to be their two warm up shows..

Yet you people are heartless. maybe the people that wanted to see the first show wouldn't have traveled if they knew they had tickets for the 3-4th shows... People were coming near and far not only because it's this band, but because they wanted to be the several efw that got to see this band in their return, maybe catch some news first, hear the material first, hear about cd first, have that nervous energy in the band, and so on....

So really stop fucking acting like anyone is bitching because everyone is glad they have their tickets, it's just they should have announced the first shows first, is that to hard to get... Would it have killed them to say the 12th and 14th are first (weekends shows, remember jobs people, remember people have kids like myself)..

Instead of being a bunch of it's gnr be lucky why not say hey man you have a point they shouldn't have added shows prior to the others.. They could have 15 shows every night at the hammerstein and I would be extremly happy, but don't announced the last shows first and have people going nuts for opening tour tickets.. Some of you people are selfish because you think just because it's axl rose and shit that anything is acceptable... people have lives and things revolver around events, having to break off things that didn't have to be is fucked up...

and jim bob no everything slash does is no  acceptable, unlike you I'm not  afucking kiss ass, if he does something fucked up I'll be the first to say it.. If velvet revolver did this you'd all be saying that's fucked up, what aboutpeole flying in that thought they had first crack, they only sold it this way because they were afraid of not selling enough tickets, they are jealous of axl :hihi:, they pulled a bait n switch... Now the false advertising the management pulled is just not right ..

Listen they fucking know the die hards ran out for tickets for monday the 15th and some ended up with the 17th, well guess what they know now that another pre sale will happen and those same die hard who wanted to be first will run adn buy tickets for the 12th too... It was a real bait n switch and people who bought multiple tickets because they were under the impression that was the first show is just wrong,...

1) they could have just announced the weekend shows, then ADDED the last shows..
2) they could have announced all four at once....

But stop acting like they can do no wrong and all anyone does is complain.. Instead of the first show I have a 3rd which is a back to back night (14-15th) Also stop saying axl would never mess up this because of his bad press in the usa... has it ever stopped him before?. Anything that could go wrong can go wrong

Again I am very happy I got tickets, I will try today for 12th tickets, but if I had known I would have saved a few days work on the weekends.. I didn't say anything bad about the band, so stop saying that shit.. I am mad about the  shows being slid in before.. You just don't get more shows at the hammerstein, they were booked by the band already, just give everyone an even playing field.. Announce the shows in proper order

cmon people stop being such babies about this, If GnR came to Australia and did 10 shows id be glad to just see one whichever night. Trust me that there are some huge GnR fans all over the world who will not get to see them live ever.
  So stop your bitching and be thankful for what you have got.  :peace:   : ok:

does everyone from aunstralia miss the point... If they were playing in australia and I lived in nyc I wouldn't even be like oh I want to go to see them there or if someone was upset about shows being switched just be glad you are going.. I would understand your point and see what your frustration was about... If the warm up shows happened in cali or florida I wouldn't be sitting around wishing I was going same way I wasn't wishing I was going to rio.. Like most I was just glad to know they were touring and news was on the way..

So I am glad I have tickets to any of the four, I am just letdown because I went crazy to get tickets for teh 3rd show instead of the first which was how they made it.... For anyone to say they ran out and bought tickets to see the first show an dthen by night you find out its going to be the third would be a letdown to anyone, there's more to life then just saying hey I got tickets, it was about the decency of knowing the shows in proper order...

A good deal of people traveling would have done it on the 12th or 14 instead of the 15-17th so at least have compassion for some and stop always thinking because you're seeing axl makes everything right..

I didn't cirlce the globe in 2001-02, I patiently waited for msg and that was it... And if they added a second show before msg at msg I wouldn't have even cared because it's wasn't the band's first show since 02 with many unanswered questions...

man I am happy, I'm glad I'm getting to see axl and company.. I am just let down that the tickets that were made out to be first are now third is all, and it would have been easy for me to get better tickets for the third show if I knew there were two others before.. That's all I'm saying,. I will have fun, but today I am going to try and get 12th ticks...

I also bought four tickets for the 15th to help a few forum fans who were shut out, seeing them first was special to those people too.. So don't think I am selfish, I wasn;'t only thinking about me... I would have bought four tickets to the 12th instead : ok:

It's just that we've spent 9 pages for complaining.

I understand your frustration, maybe if I was in NYC I'd feel the same.

The thing is that it's not the time to complain, we're getting what we've been wishing for years.

Anyway, since this was just a personal thought and nothing will come out of this thread I'll lock it cause it's only a matter of time before someone starts the insults...