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On the RIR webpage, it says "The band?s line-up for the Tour has not yet been released and is announced as a ?surprise? for the audience. "

what could this surprise be? and will we be surprised in NY or RIR?

Very exciting time to be a GNR fan !

i think it just means the lineup is unkown at the moment

Thats true, but if John 5 is with the band, I wouldn't really call that a surprise.  Now if an original member is with the band, thats a surpise.

HAHA who knows.. lets just wait.. about a month till then..

anything is possible with GnR. No one know's untils it's happening on stage in front of their eyes  :hihi:

Very exciting time to be a GNR fan !


I cant wait a month till then.. ............................................... this silence is take me nuts  :rant:

this silence is take me nuts too! :rant:

Where have you been the last 12 years? :rofl:

take me nuts man, i hate this silence! :rant:

indeed it would be a surprise if slash showed up  :hihi:

I was in Rock In Rio 3 and i was in my uncle house whem i was 11 years old seen Rock in Rio 2 ...i stop to play nintendo ( Mike tyson punck out) too se then on the television that was i have been ................................. GNR is part of my life .

It's taking me nuts also!

uh ok then. :confused:

What! You take me nuts! Mike tyson punck out was great! ?:rant:

I wouldn't read into it. I'm sure they asked for the lineup but the GnR camp refused to say. Otherwise the RIR web designer would post pics of the lineup. My guess is it's not going to be some HUGE surprise!!

john 5 is touring with rob zombie

It could be "Brian May" as a "surprise guest" performer???

Call me crazy....I think its slash.  If it wasn't big, they wouldn't say "its a surprise for the audience".  They'd just say they don't know who the line up hasn't been announced yet.  Maybe i'm reading into it too much, but surprise being highlighted and then "for the audience".  I don't know......where the fast forward button to my life when I need it!

And you can call me a total fuck head, but I have this suspicion that just won't go away that we're going to see a surprise guitarist/guest at one or both of the NY shows.....I can just feel it.

Maybe its the mexican I had for lunch though.

Slash?... who knows. and the rumour continues....

Hmmmm, well, my guess is 'A surprise lineup" will sell more tickets than "Axl and we don't know who is with him now"

Just a hunch  :confused:

Agreed, it would be something to build some hype on....but RIR isn't having trouble selling tix is it????

Plus, if theres nothing to it and Axl goes on stage with no "surprise" its only going to piss people off.  I don't know.  This is def an exciting time to be a fan though.

well if it was the third player wouldn't he be at the nyc shows.

that can probably be true..


maybe they dont get a third player either..

whats can one say..maybe only this is taking me nuts too.... :yes:

Well what do we supposedly know right now, Axl is the lead singer (obviously), Fortus has the tour posted on his website (so i guess hes in), ?Tommy has only really been hinted about being in, hes made no announcement and seems to really like his spot with SA so who knows what hes doing, and we havent anything from Robin in about a year, and nothing from Brain either ... So aside from Axl, Fortus, and maybe Tommy, we dont know who will up there

the old band will reunitied for a few songs :smoking:

i think it'll be same guys as in 2002

Axl
Robin
Richard
Tommy
Brain
Dizzy
Pittman

and the surprise will be either bucketheads return or his replacement

GNR's surprise punck out starts now takes me nuts!!  :peace:

Thats a bold statement from you Mike. :)

nice to see you saul :peace:

Surprise!!!! No one told Axl he was going on tour again.  He'll find out on the internet.

you can only pull that off once? :hihi:

The surprise is everyone who shows up gets a free t-shirt.

rock am ring mentions a Surprise and now Rock in rio is talking about a surprise

i reckon this special guest is "Slash"

the real lead guitarist for this tour!

or else they could be pulling a publicity stunt..

If it was Slash they'd say it I think

where does rock am ring mention the word "surprise"???

no no no, the surprise is that Axl is actually gonna sing some tunes. I'm way to happy with that.  :)

Where did you read the "surprise" thing in rock am ring's site?

i can dig it up if you want, somebody posted the ad for rock am ring, it goes throught all the bands playing and then mentions guns n roses with special guest!!!

he meaned a little promo vid..... it just said: surprise guest Guns N' Roses...

So Guns N' Roses is the surprise......no slash :P

It did NOT say "WITH" special guest........just "Guns N' Roses special guest"

I think the surprise RIR site is refering to is Izzy is back... don't you remember that interview when Axl said that has been talking to him lately.

I think nobody besides Axl or the band or Merck knows anything.

I guess it could be Brian May for a few shows...

If Izzy was back, I would fall over dead!  I don't think that is the case, as I would have heard something about that by now (at least I think I would have??). 

yeah matt and slash are also back.... he talked to them lately :hihi:

If I get my tickets for the 15th, make the trip from PA to NYC, the band shows up, Axl shows up, and they play a glorious, full set then - regardless of who's in the band - I'll consider that "surprise" enough...cannot wait!!

maybe they willhand out copies of the first single? sure, it seems inpossiable, but it would make headlines

So if it is a "surprise" then the line-up must definately be different. That's big enough shit as it is. Then add the dream of the curly-haired chain smoker and you have a night to remember.

Where the fuck is Slash..?! And why ain't he talking about all the recent mud-slinging by both bands, since it directly involves him...?

Boy, I am with you...this is a very interesting state from RIR.  It may very well be marketing bullshit.  Like I said, it is interesting...but hard to have a surprise of any significance...if they are playing 2 NYC gigs beforehand.

It means they dont know who or if any one replaced bh.

I doubt it.

From all accounts, it seems to me that Axl must have a good and close relationship with the organisers of this event since he has been asked to perform at it four times already. These people are probably far more "clued-in" that we are on the current state of Guns N' Roses.

Lets use logic - Axl must have spoken to these promoters to organise the show, right..? (I imagine most big decisions come from him ultimately)

They must have asked him some things about the band and the music, right..? I mean, why wouldn't they..? This seems logical to me.

And since they have confirmed on their official website that he will be previewing "Chinese Democracy" with a "surprise line-up", then one can confidently presume that Axl must have given them some kind of legitimate information.

Well, that's my two cents. Maybe I'm just crazy.

There is no reunion.

Holy shit!  Izzy is the 3rd guitarist!!!   :o

I just keep thinking, could you imagine the level of bonkerness the crowd would go if Slash and Duff were up there with Axl. And then holy shit if Izzy was on board :o. That would be the greatest moment in rock history no doubt and the most memorable/untouchable moment in the history of any of our concert experiences ever!!!! Of course I'm assumeing that the line up would most likely be the sme at Hammerstein as it will be in RIR. After all these ballroom shows are the warmups right?

whatever the surprize im down '

Surprise just means they ain't telling us in advance.  The truth may be they ain't telling us in advance, because they don't know, but "surprise" sounds better than "we don't know"

:rofl: So true. The suprise might be the show starting on time ;D

Bono, I know we are all GNR fans here, but I don't think Slash walking on stage for a couple of tracks would be "the greatest moment in rock history"

Maybe not but imagine Slash, Duff and Izzy up there with Axl to open the show. Tell where and when would there have ever  been a more insane reaction from a crowd?  : ok:

i dont to see a full scale reunion, but it would be awesome if slash was the third guitarist

Maybe his going to suprise everyone by taking out his braids!

We can only hope...

It means its a suprise for the audience gnr are playing

probably..

Perhaps the surprise will be GnR taking the stage within an hour of when they're scheduled to  :o

i dont think Izzy is comming back he didnt want this back then why would he be interested now.
Slash i dont think so he has to leave VR first and there is no word from VR camp about that...oh i get it they gonna make an announcement before RIR to surprise us GNR fans . you people also keep  forgetting about the law suit. some people here mentioned DUFF might be back, where do you get this??? this is nonsense. didnt you read his recent interview???

I am the surprise.

let's get real people. there's no original member coming back.
rir site posted the "surprise" thing to get more people interested and to sell more tickets.
if an original member would join axl they would get a lot more people coming in then just sayin' "surprise", don't ya think??? so there's no slash duff izzy matt steven....
probably it's about brian may, or the 3rd guitarist

The surprise is that there is no surprise.

it doesnt matter who in or out anyway most of us would go to see AXL. after all he is GNR since day one it has always been that way. i only hope he hasnt lost his touch, i mean about choosing his music players. one think is for sure he can not find another SLASH and thats one of the reasons why AXL is taking so long to put the album out.

if slash was back in guns the world would know by now : ok:
its to big of a news to be silent all this time trust me

I think that if there will be a surprise,it could be Buckethead..not Slash..but I'm happy to go to see GNR,the return of Axl after all these years..this is the beautiful surprise.. :beer:

Whatever the surprise is, I hope it's good!  : ok:

Maybe his surprise is that the Gnronline website might actually be updated regularly!  :nervous: Ok maybe not.

the suprise is its gonna be even better than you could imagine.oh,and axl is now a skinhead aswell  :hihi:

It is probably the new replacement for Buckethead.

I heard Chad Kroger is replacing Buckethead. He's going to replicate those super-fast solo's perfectly.

two of the NYTimes ugliest men in the same band :o


 :hihi:

If ever this happens, I will snipe him.

Concerts on Monday and Wednesday...  Could CD be released on the Tuesday in between?  :nervous:  That would be sweet!  :yes:

HAHA that might be some of the most wishful thinking i have ever seen

What's with the surprise if it's not some of the original members? On Tommy Stinson's website, the guy who handles his message board said on Friday that Tommy will be updating soon but has been busy the past couple months rehearsing with both Soul Asylum and Guns N' Roses, so it looks like he is definitely in the band. It'll be a good time, but if Axl walks on stage at Hammerstein with Buckethead and the same old crew from that last abortion of a tour it will definitely be a bit of a letdown, because those few shows weren't very good, it's not fair I guess, but there is just no comparison when you've seen them in the 80's/90's, as much as some of you would like to believe. Still, the unknown is kind of exciting and everyone loves a car wreck.

i sort of agree, i dont think buckethead would be a surprise.  i would like to think a surprise would be first CD getting a definite release date, or an original rejoining th eband

A really nice surprise would for Axl to finish this tour and a full American without any controversy.

Simple.

RIR Webdesigner #1: Hey who's in Guns N Roses now?
RIR Webdesigner #2: Not sure, it's a line-up of the new people.
RIR Webdesigner #1: Huh, how about "Surprise" lineup.
RIR Webdesigner #2: Sounds good. :smoking:


And Oh My Choking Soul, I couldn't agree with you more.. I think a completed tour with no cancellations is good enough for this band.

Sorry, I've seen both bands. I don't want to reopen debates that are just about the oldest argument in the world, but the shows on the European 2002 tour were every bit as good, and in many ways better, than the UYI shows. There's no reason to have such a patronising attitude.

hogwash! how can replacement players be better than the real deal? i saw robert plant once...it wasn't led zeppelin.

the original crew is why we're all here to begin with. Man, i'd love to see them get back together but tain't gonna happen... :(

i like the new band, at this point in time i would rather not see a full reunion, but would like to see slash along with finck and fortus

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=51210

Maybe he's the surprise.

I doubt it. Too close to the gigs.. Axl would have finalised plans for the tour well before announcing it.

i dotn ever say things that i dont think are true. i am a vary fleseble person when it comes to my thoughts about things. i think it is vary posible that it could be  slash. axl has been a fucking dick for 10 years, i think he has finaly come to grips with reality. people do get wisser as they age. but if its not then oh well. at least axl tried. no one can fit in to GNR cause no one has the attitude or look or style to play in slash's footsteps. its slash or bust to me. but if its not slash then i hope axl at least had some respect for the tittle and went out n found some guy thats amazing that no one has ever heard of. some one with some new tallent and can bring some cards to the table not some one to just fill in and play what axl says to play.

yea i sort of feel if the surprise isnt slash, then its not really a surprise.

maybe he will not have any braids.. or hip hopper bee bop jerseys.. maybe thats the suprise..

Imagine how cool the opening notes of jungle hit and he runs out wearing the bike shorts and a catchers vest!!!!!!

or if he had the assless chaps or leather from the AFD cover...

i would cream my pants!!!

What a suprise that would be..... who knows!!

lets just all be satisfied with the fact were actually gonna see Axl Rose again ( hopefully )ha

if its either Slash or Izzy back that would be a surprise other than that i dont care, but thats very unlikely.anyway in three weeks time everything will be clear...all we need is a little patience.

i have tix to the 15th, so id be suprised if he s ready to perform at back to back nights, i looked at the 02 schedule and they did alot of back to back shows, then came philly

I am a long standing card holding member of the Slash isn't ever coming back club, but over the last few weeks, i've canceled my membership. something big is up at guitar, and i really think he's back. Just a hunch, but there has been a lot of smoke on this for a while now.

he isnt ready for back to back nights if the lakers are playing... they are playing "the Suns" in the playoffs..  remember that he missed the phily show coz he didnt want to miss the lakers game.

Wow I hope your a chick after that quote..? ??? :nervous:  :confused:

1987 was a long time ago.......i think if he wore that stuff i'd cry and go home.

That and Clear Channel and the record company were getting on his case for not putting out the CD to back the tour with. Selling 7,000 tix to 20,000 seat arena's isn't profitable. Embarrasing actually.

the lakers will probably be out of the playoffs by the time the concerts come around

I saw in another thread yet another it's not really gnr post, and wanted to reply but thought it fit better here. This original member stuff has got to stop. Even appetite for destruction didn't have the first line up. Metallica doesn't have it's first guitarist, and also has it's third bassist. No one is complaining about them not really being metallica. Every album guns put out, they had lineup changes, it's really not a new thing for them, especially given the timespan between releases. That said, i think the surprise is slash, who is my favorite guitarist of gnr. but he wasn't the first.

Maybe the 'surprise' is that they'll have guests on stage.  I'm not sure who's playing but if paul mccartney joined for a song or something like that, it'd be a surprise....

since the philly show was in december, and the Basketball playoffs are in April /may/and june, would you care to create a new theory :hihi:

it wasn't a playoff game, if I'm not mistaken... it's a BS rumour but a popular one....

You're getting WAYYY to technical if you think Slash wasn't the original guitarist. Plus I think he was, prior to him they were Hollywood Rose. I may be wrong on that, but again that's all just technicalities. In the end, Slash is the original guitarist, and the lineup on AFD IS the Original GNR. I don't need some kid who was 4 then to tell me otherwise!! :smoking:


I agree with the that this reunion shit has to go, but so does this Slash stuff as well. The odds are highly against him being back in, but we'll find out May 12th.

since the night before he was in Manhattan, i was always under the impression he was partying in NYC and didn't bother showing up

maybe the surprise will be he shows up to all four shows, starts on time, and plays a 3 hour set, and VR opens for them ;D

Do you honestly believe that Axl would just not bother to show up?
When in his past have we EVER seen this?

You're being sarcastic right??  :yes:

In a word, YES....but i think he'll make it to all the NYC shows......Axl loves NYC :love:

The suprise is axl will have long flowing hair again like rio 3 and he'll be in his old bike shorts and boa, should be awesome.. ;D

no... please give me an example....

rather not see the biker shorts with extra pounds Axl's carrying these days

i dont think axl will miss any shows, i mean all 4 are at the same venue, so its not like he has to travel anywhere in between , or its not like hes getting off a plane and goign right to the concert

You know, it amazes me that this rumor still makes the rounds....

It's not true.

I have no idea why people still talk about it as if it is....the "good story/urban legend" factor, I guess.

Gee... The very last concert that admitted ticketholders.  In Philadelphia!!

You're getting WAYYY to technical if you think Slash wasn't the original guitarist. Plus I think he was, prior to him they were Hollywood Rose. I may be wrong on that, but again that's all just technicalities. In the end, Slash is the original guitarist, and the lineup on AFD IS the Original GNR. I don't need some kid who was 4 then to tell me otherwise!! :smoking:


I agree with the that this reunion shit has to go, but so does this Slash stuff as well. The odds are highly against him being back in, but we'll find out May 12th.

Yes, it is getting techincal saying slash wasn't original, but it is true. Tracii guns missed a show and slash replaced him. Not trying to discredit slash or his contributions, just tryin to make a point to people who think this isn't really gnr, as some on the board do. Part of the actual name comes from tracii guns, so how come nobody says it's not gnr without him??? And for the record, just to make you feel that much older, i was 2 when this happened, not 4.

Id say the original GNR are the members that are on AFD, UYI is also original bc Matt Sorum appeared on two albums + Dizzy.  But for people who are like its not GNR, my response is, its not the GNR you remember, but its still GNR.  Look at it as a sports team, the Knicks were good with Patrick Ewing, Oakley, Starks, Mason .... now they suck, i mean they completely suck with who's on the team now, but theyre still the Knicks.  The current line up of GNR isn't as bad as the Knicks, and the Knicks dont show up to play everynight either.  All I'm saying is this current GNR is the only version that will be playing this year.  And if they play on the 15th when Im there, thats the only version I care about

Tracii Guns sucked ass & so did LA Guns. Tracii, unlike Dave Mustaine, didn't help write any songs of AFD. Plus Dave Mustaine (who I do not like) was in Metallica for nearly 2 years, HUGE DIFFERENCE. Just because he was in it for a few weeks doesn't make him a "GnR Original".

The surprise will more than likely be the introduction of a new guitarist... I highly doubt it will be Slash. They seem like poison to each other, so why would they play together? The most anyone can hope is that one day they'll meet and make up. Slash may jam with the band. That's about as close to a "reunion" as we'll ever see.

And Robin rules! Just thought I'd add that ;D

you have to be joking about traci guns, I mean come on gnr did nothing with him ,they were not known they had no record deals .. I mean if I start a band as a kid and two months later the band that I make it and do all the song with is formed that is the real band..

I was not trying to make the claim that guns was a vital part of gnr, only to show that you need to look at the bigger picture. Slash was undeniably the best guitarist they've had. But to claim it's not gnr because he ins't there simply isn't factual. Izzy had a huge hand in the writing of many songs, yet noone claims the illusions tours after he left wasn't really gnr. They also replaced their drummer, but again this doesn't seem to matter. I love Slash's work, his attitude, and his stage presence. If i could pick anyone to be lead guitarist, it would be Slash. However, even if it isn't going to happen, it's still guns. People want that vibe that the appetite era gave them, and i understand why. But that feel was already starting to decay when illusions hit. They weren't poor anymore, they were bonafide rockstars, and attitudes change. Axl started canceling shows, playing havoc in the studio, even then it really wasn't a band in the sense that they were for appetite. It wasn't a tight knit group anymore. Guns n roses is what it is today, and that's how it is.

Dude, I get what you're trying to say. Trust me. You just have to understand that there are some people here who will never accept this as GNR. They are stuck in 1988 and are happy about it. They don't realize that even if all the original members reunited it would still be a very different band than what it was in the AFD years.

Assanine Reunion rumors will always be around. This is GNR and some people can't deal with it. There's no sense in debating it. You'll have better results with a brick wall. After five years I should know? :hihi:

it's guns n roses because Axl has the naming rights. but anyone with half a brain knows it's not reallly guns n roses.

i mean, c'mon already! doesn't mean Axl and his new band won't rock 'cause i'm sure they will. but tain't gnr.

if paul mccartney decided to start touring under the beatles name, would that be the beatles?
 ???

Really, the only thing 95% of the people care about is if Slash is going to be playing with Axl and would consider that a reunion... I'm sure it would be nice if Izzy, Duff and Adler were there, but for the most part, if Slash showed up, I doubt they would really care one way or the other about the other guys not being there.

exactly man.. With these people axl could get anyone adn it would be gnr, he has the rights to the name, that's not what makes gnr..

I understand your point, i dont think this is the same situation though. The beatles actually broke up, and halted all operations. Guns n roses, didn't (and still haven't) released anything for a long time, but the band didn't split, it became a revlolving door, with different members leaving at different times, and new members coming in to replace them. I agree with the post that if slash and only slash showed up, most people would consider that a reunion. I would also like to point out the chilli peppers have had a few guitarist changes as well. I think it is the nature of the industry, very few bands have original lineups at this point, if they make it this far.

Thanks for getting my point misterID, im glad someone can look at it from two sides.

Well now you're getting more on track. I agree with you here. Some people may be hoping to see the originals as a group of 28 year olds tearing it up.. Axl's 44 now, not the same live, not the same new lyrics. He probably won't be writing about drugs sex & alchohol anymore. I'm cool with the new lineup, hope it's mostly the same from 02 (Robyn, Tommy, etc) I'd still like to see BH in. I'm guessing he may not be back, but who knows.. I give it a 33% chance he's still in it. The only bad thing could be if it's an entirely new cast. Then Axl might as well hang it up.. THAT would be disaster.

GNR and The Beatles.... You can't even compare the two. Please. The Beatles NEVER replaced a single member (it started with Sorum). They were around for a lot longer. Released more albums, and more influential albums than GNR. And the big thing is they broke up. GNR never did.

Stop trying to compare them with every classic band you can think of. We still call the Cure The Cure and King Crimson King Crimson even though only the lead singers remain.

I think we see eye to eye on that pasnow. If he shows up having just hired a bunch of random names, it all becomes a sham at this point. At least many of the people who are supposedly in gnr have been there for a good number of years now. I really like what stinson brings to the band, he seems to be a stabalizing force. Hopefully at worst what we get is the same lineup as 2002, though i can't stand buckethead, even though he is a great player.

you can say revolving door but the band had been inactive forever... The band was over when izzy left in my eyes,.,.. I still love axl, but I think this could have been called something else..  it's like now if there's a new third player I guess he's gnr too..  To me gnr is the ritz 88, that is gnr, the guys who worked on afd, the guys who will be inducted...

 :beer:
same here.

Stop trying to compare them with every classic band you can think of. We still call the Cure The Cure and King Crimson King Crimson even though only the lead singers remain.

Would you still call The The The The :rofl:? :rofl:? j/k

It will be Gnr to me if they release an album or two. Without a record, they are just backing musicians for Axl. However, with a record and song writing credits, they become Gnr...albeit Gnr part two....but still Gnr. They are a pretty rock and roll bunch of guys and quite frankly are more fuck you than the original members at this point. Duff is clean and sober....Slash is pretty cleaned up. Tommy Stinson and Dizzy are definitely not clean and sober. Tommy is rock and roll to the bone. To be honest, they are much more in to the rock and roll lifestyle than VR-outside of Matt who seems to act like a 20 year old kid at this point. Axl is still boozing it up pretty good as well. If they would just release a good album, they will be more than worthy of the "name"....for whatever that's worth. :-* As far as suprises go, I think there will be a third guitarist but have no earthly idea who it could be.

I wouldn't compare this situation to the Cure.  Robert Smith has always been the Cure - and many of the "revolving" members have been in and out of the band over the years.

I agree that Axl & Slash are Guns N Roses.  Izzy played a bigger part than most people realize in the songwriting - but really Axl & Slash are GNR. 

That said, I still think of the current incarnation of Pink Floyd as Pink Floyd - even though Roger Waters left the band 25 years ago.  However, I don't consider this current version of Queen as Queen without Freddie.  OK, now I'm confused.

Either way - who cares?  AXL ROSE IS BACK!  I don't care if he calls himself the Backstreet Boys - I'll be there for sure.  And it's not like this band isn't good - Brian is probably the best drummer Axl has ever had..... and Robin ain't bad either.

I would agree with you, but for me, I think its pretty disrespectful to call a group of guys backing musicians who have been working in this band for the last eight years. I think they deserve to be called GNR.

Agree...but how much work have they really done? Nothing to show for it...arrrgghhhhhh....I am not the one who won't put out their music...that is disrespectful.  >:(

if 2002 worked out and had CD been released 3-4 years ago, and had it had the commercial success we all anticipate it will have ... no one would argue about gnr not being gnr.  This is an oppurtunity to make their claim to gnr, they need to step out play the shit out of these four shows, go into the europe tour with a lot of steam, play the shit out of those shows, drop CD, the tour in the US in the fall.  If all of that goes to plan, theres no debate who the real GNR is and for the haters that never want to acknowledge that, they ll atleast be like those fucking guys can play.

Painfully true :-\

The sad thing is, if they would release the album, single, video, (with a song like Better for example) they would generate so many new fans that it wouldn't really matter about who thinks which line up is really GNR.... This line up would BE Guns N' Roses. Period.

True. :beer: Have a good weekend...time to step away from the computer for awhile.

I wasn't comparing, I was making an analogy. MY opinion is you cannot have an entirely new lineup and think of them the same way.

Ok, no classic comparisons - what if slash, duff and matt had the naming rights, got scottie and called themselves Guns n' Roses? would that work for ya?

fuck i mean how many singers did van halen have like 3 or 4

Bingo! (Although the Floyd thing still irks me w/out Waters)  :beer:

I'm pretty sure VH had 3, and yeah, if the VR guys had the GNR name, i don;t know that anyone would buy it, so i guess it goes both ways. The lead singer always gets the most attention. But a lot of bands have had replacements at some point or another. I still think we may see slash someday soon, but that's probably just wishful thinking.

And this was my point about comparing bands:

How about this. Slash could call this band whatever he wanted if the rolls were reversed. If he called it GNR it would be GNR... Because he's actually in the band. I'm not. So its not my place to say its not GNR. I'm just a fan.

I wouldn't be interested if Axl wasn't a part of it, but it would still be GNR.

The bottom line is - until this current incarnation of GNR releases and album or goes on tour and plays 80-85% new material - they are going to be considered "backing musicians" or a "cover band". ?The last tour, they really only played 4-5 new songs (Blues, CD, Maddy, OMG & Rhiad once in a while) and played 15-16 classic GNR tunes, including all the hits. ?This is why people say what they say. ?

When Sammy joined VH (ugh), they played almost entirely new stuff with one or two of Sammy's solo songs and one or two old VH classics (Panama I remember). ?They didn't tour for 2 years with Sammy Hagar singing Ice Cream Man and Big Bad Bill trying to act like David Lee Roth. ?GNR's last tour was all "original lineup" hits with Robin & Buckethead copying Slash's solos. ?THIS is why there is laughter and ridicule.

Buckethead didn't copy any solos... he reworked everyone to his style.. and made some of them better.. such as nightrain.

Point taken - there was some ingenuity and variation to BH's playing - but it was still essentially the same song with a similar structure.  My main point is - they need to be LEADING with the new material for the naysayers to quit this chatter about this not being the real GUNS N ROSES.  Personally, I like hearing the old stuff too - but I'm just saying that would quit all the chatter.

definetly agree with the bucket/nightrain being better. ?Another way to look at it is this, TWAT, Better, Blues, Madagascar, and IRS are not only better then VR songs, their more diverse, emotional, and epic. ?Im not saying VR songs are bad, but the GNR new songs are just better. ?However non of them have been officially released.

I don't remember ever chiming in on this subject, and I'm sure one of the mods will get this thread back on track shortly. So here's my two cents. This new band is Guns N' Roses. It still has a couple members left from the last original GNR albums (the Use Your Illusions), and it still has more than a couple members left from the last original song ("Oh My God"). If the band had fired Axl in 1996 and his replacement was Scott Weiland, Velvet Revolver would be GNR. If every band member but Adler had quit one by one starting in 1990, Adler's Appetite would be GNR. Of course, as much as I like the current incarnation of GNR, it's up to each listener to decide what he considers to be good music. Post-Bon Scott AC/DC does nothing for me. It's still AC/DC though. I can accept that.

I look at it different ways being a life long fan ,I believe no one man is any band, at least not gnr for me.... I think owning a name and being that name is two different things.. I mean I wouldn't feel it was gnr either if duff and slash owned the name... The best thing to me would had been to put the name away and let axl do something like ozzy.. The band may not have broken up in one clean sweep but it did slowly... Wether it was ego, drugs booze creative differences or whatever it ended imo...

I mean look today, you have a band that started to start in 98 with tommy and robin session players, other players for oh my god, then people left others joined (huge fortus) your rio lineup is different in 01, the 2002 tour lineup was different then rio and now the 06 tour will be different too.. You have a band around for about 7 years and you have like 4-5 weeks worth of shows, ?and afew bootlegs.. Without the net you wouldn't even have access to know the band like you have.. No albums & no new music, not really what I think of as the greatest band as some claim..

Personally without the name the draw wouldn't be the same, and the patience from the label wouldn't be there nor would the mega bucks to spare, so axl kind of got help from keeping the name...

I want a reunion one day but I don't expect afd gnr or anything from that era, I just think it would be cool to see the people who actually made the band big instead of people sliding in coasting into positions others made.. Gnr has sold 90 million albums world wide, how many of those came from these new guys so far?? NONE!! They might release their first album as this new band and not even have the guy on guitars in the band- bh

many people today just feel whoever axl has and as long as it's axl it just is gnr.. ?years ago maybe you liked others in the band as well.. For me the shows will be great, but my anticipation years ago might had been to see sevral members, now it's just axl, anyone could be on the stage with him today...

I bet some young punk is saying rodgers is queen not freddy :hihi:

bottom when people ask me what concert am i going to see in may, i say im going to see guns n roses, nothing more to it for me

I say I am seeing axl rose and his new guys... I usually get asked if it's gnr they knew or axl's band.... I told one person I was going they asked me if it they had gotten back together...

so for you then, this isnt guns n roses, you see it as an Axl project with a band?

it?s simply the truth, face it people, i have posted this in other threads, this just isn?t GN?R,? is axl?s proyect, he didn?t have to keep the name to succeed, he would have done it without the name, i think he should have called it something else.

as simple as that, wether we like it or not........ anyway we would still follow axl, am i wrong??

i dont compare the two bands, theyre obviously different, the original line up is the one that made the GNR name mean something.? but this is guns n roses, tommy, richard, robin are members of guns n roses. ie think the new mustangs look like shit compared to the most previous body style, but theyre still mustangs, and i like mustangs so i accept it.? this is guns n roses, its the only guns n roses band thats touring.? its not an axl rose solo project because the members have contributed to the songs we ve heard so far.? besides in 1997 duff and matt were still a part of the band even though they quit that year, say they didnt quit then does that mean today the lineup is axl, duff, matt, robin, and fortus.? would that make it a more acceptable gnr lineup? To me, most people, not the people on this board because we re all knowledgeable guns fans, but as mentioned earlier, slash is what makes people say it isnt gnr.? if slash joined gnr then no body would give a shit who else is in the band.? im saying this latest line? up is guns n roses, its not the guns n roses that put out afd and uyi, but it ll be the guns n roses that will put out chinese democracy, and its the only guns n roses that will be in ny for the 4 shows.  change is inevitable, no matter what the situation is/.

Who really cares what the name is? What does it matter anyway? It's all marketing trick, if it was Axl and the same exact lineup going out and touring under a different name and playing the exact same music they are now, it wouldn't make the same money, so they call it Guns n Roses and sell out everywhere they go... it's just the commercialization of a brand name... if Velvet Revolver had called themselves Guns n Roses and put out the exact same album they would've sold 3 times as many albums. It has nothing to do with anything except a poster to put on your wall or a t-shirt to wear.

you are really hard man, such hard head, whatever man, if that makes you happy

i think the name does mean something.  i ve wanted to attend a gnr concert for as long as i can remember, i was probably way to young when the original line up toured, but nows my chance to see guns n roses. 

as i said before, whatever man, if that makes you happy

right on, bro. funny how some people seem to get offended at this simple fact! we all still dig axl, regardless!

and if slash came back i still wouldn't feel it was GNR (but it would be an enormous leap in the right direction). Need at least Duff also to start feeling it...

very true, im sure no matter how we look it, we re going to have a great time at the concerts

Axl brings the attitude...the energy that surrounds the night when the band is in town....the possibility of a cancelation or all hell breaking loose....he is rock n roll.....it sucks when it happens but thats how he is....thats y theres this aura about him...thats y the tour in 2002 was sold out even though there was nothin to promote....on the other hand slash and duff bring the stage presence...the completeness...every1 has a niche....but when it comes down to it axl is guns n roses...u cannot replace the attitude....the unknowingness of what this man will do next....we know guns n roses as this fucked up roller coaster ride that has many fans on it....we put up with a lot of his shit...i guess thats y we are drawn to it...cuz we put up so much....anyways....my dream...which i think will never b a reality....would have the curtains rise up and have slash come out....just to c them both...rock out on nightrain...or my michelle...or fuckin jingle bells.....whatever c ya all on the 12th

goin to the NY shows?  What does your ticket say?

Guns N' Roses?

Thats what I thought. 

great point

OK, so essentially to you, all Guns n Roses is, is Axl Rose. Fair enough.

Duhhhh, ummm, yep! That's what it READS. Axl owns the rights to the name, guy.

He can run fuckin' Hansen out there to back him up and he could still call it Guns N Roses. Don't make it Guns N' Roses!

Jeesh!

well its certianly not your band to be giving a name to.  Its Axl's.  He can do what he wants with it.  Your personal feelings on the issue in the end mean jack shit.  Its Guns N' Roses.

Sheep

Its not being a sheep.  Its called accepting the way things are!  No amount of bitching or whining is going to change a goddamn thing.  The band is called Guns N' Roses, that is the name of the band.  Calling them anything else is simply inaccurate because they are Guns N' Roses.

lol this thread has gone way off topic, but thats alright. ?are we all agreeing on this: we support ?axl, robin, fortus, tommy, and brain 100%.?

Likewise i don't give a rat's ass what you think. It's guns n roses by name only. How can this even be debatable? They haven't even put out a new album! I can legally change my name to Elvis Presley, don't make me the king. Oy!

we obviously care, bc if we didnt we wouldnt go crazy and have tried to get tix to these shows.  so if we support these guys, we have to support them and respect them as guns n roses

and dizzy and chris  :peace:

i don't think its going to be slash with the law suit and what not. I think maybe Izzy or Gilby

Gilby would be cool! awesome guy!

It's an interesting topic. I think in most bands Axl would be a big enough front man to carry a bands name on his own, however I guess unfortunately for him the original GNR lineup included one of the most iconic guitarists in music history which means whenever the GNR name is mentioned people associate with it both Axl and Slash.

I have some friends who are not naive when it comes to music but when I mentioned the upcoming shows they all said 'Is it the old lineup?' It's what the public wants I'm afraid, the old tracks still have a massive amount of popularity, I have never yet been on a night out where SCOM has not got a cheer if it comes on. The fact is until this band can release an album under the GNR name the public will continue to think Axl/Slash when GNR is mentioned.

For me I will always follow Axls music whatever his band is called it would not really matter to me, just as I have followed Slash and Duff in VR. Between them these guys were IMO the greatest band in the world and for me always will be, and I will continue to support their current projects. I would take a reunion over anything they could do individually but until/if that happens I'll buy CD and the next VR album.

Is just Axl GNR? Not for me no but whilst he makes music I'll continue to buy it whatever the name just like the rest of you ?:peace:

Guys, it's obvious we support him. Damn, Axl's the best frontman i ever saw! I can't wait for the shows. But i have my opinion on "the band's name"... some agree, some don't. Small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. All that matters is Axl's back!

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cheers,

I do agree with a good deal of it ,I mean it is much more profitable and easier to headline if axl calls it gnr rather then billy bailey and some dudes.. It's much cooler to say I'm going to see gnr then seeing axl even if it is one in the same today..


I look at seeing new gnr as seeing vr, I am seeing guys from guns n roses, some without the name, some with it... I am just excited to hear axl sing my favorites and maybe hear somew new tunes in a personal setting

gnr in teh public eye will always be axl n slash... It's tyler perry jagger richard page plant thing

so true, it would be a giant leap, but still not gnr..

I understand the kids who say this is gnr, it would be like getting into van halen after dlr left, would you care about dlr as much, it's who you grow up with..

I still support the new band but it's not gnr to me..

why would i think this is guns n roses, by many claims axl can find anyone and as long as he uses the name it'll be guns n roses... Even people not still into gnr know this is not gnr.. I just support axl, but I'm not going to see gnr.. These guys could pass me in the street and I wouldn't even know it..

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I understand the kids who say this is gnr, it would be like getting into van halen after dlr left, would you care about dlr as much, it's who you grow up with..

I still support the new band but it's not gnr to me..

It's not nearly the same thing, no one grew up on this music, there's no album... the majority of the filesharing has been rather recent and they only really had one tour... I agree with your other points, but how can anyone even "care" about this band besides Axl aside from their solo projects? And even that is debatable since there was a thread somewhere on here with a picture of Tommy Stinson and the Replacements and no one even knew who they were (ya know, only one of the best bands ever)

best possible surprise is axl sporting a new tat on left buttock saying " we love you jarmo" ;D ;D ;D ;D :rofl: :rofl: :hihi:

the best surprise would be not to see axl in those long jearseys and those hateful pants, with thse big shoes, awful, maybe moredecntly dressed  :hihi:, i mean he had that fashion he should try something new.