Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Dark told me earlier that he saw that John 5 solo dates have been cancelled.

aww hell naah  :'(

Why is everyone on John 5's nuts... is he really that great of a guitar player solo?

He is quite good.

Here's a LiveJournal post in regards to this.  I have no idea of the credibility of the poster.

http://strigl.livejournal.com/1382.html


-darknemus

John 5 cancelled his may gigs probably because of this reason:
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=50928

His record company dropped him (or the band he plays with). Nothing to do with GNR. It's just speculation.

I highly doubt there will be a 3rd guitar player for the moment. The rehearsals are already well advanced, and the shows will begin in just 4 weeks.
Don't believe this rumour. It's just a rumour, like the Michael Angelo Batio thing. That's what I think.

Just check John5 site ?the last tour date is May 5 ?Grand Prairie, TX Nokia Theatre ?.

That post above is rather intereseting...

it doesnt say anything on hie website about cancelled shows

You gotta be shitting me  :rofl:


(http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8637/john2052036wq.jpg)

who cares about image..

I hope he dont join GNR , he dont fit in GNR . : ok:

Buckethead is better than john 5 i have no dought about this ...

damn thats a scary picture.

I didn't pay to see this guy.... I have nothing against him. He is probably a nice guy and a good guitar player, but I didn't pay to see this guy in GNR.

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lots of people.

why? what "fits" gnr anymore? a guy with a buckethead? or robins creepy outfits? or Tommys fishnet tights from RIR3? Axl's hip hop jerseys and bling bling? ?what exactly "fits"... nothing so drop it with the image shit already

you didn't pay for anything yet : ok:

His talents come highly touted thats for sure.....face it they either need a guy on equal playing level with Buckethead (spped wise) or totally redo the songs....and apparently his stuff is staying.....so a shredder it is) :peace:

and john5 is a chameleon...his image matches his bandmates.....he dresses like that cuz he came from rob zombie and marylin manson backgrounds but there are picks where he looks like a regular rocker dude : ok:

If hes in the band and you elect to go see them you did pay to see him in gnr...

His playing fits new gnr , that is all that counts.

one of the rocker pics i talked about  : ok: :beer:

(http://i3.tinypic.com/vowtxj.jpg)

The shows begin in 4 weeks. The rehearsals are aready well advanced. and there's absolutely nothing concrete.
It reminds me the Michael Angelo Batio rumour. Smells like...heum... bullshit.

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/5513/john52tn.jpg)

he looks cool, and elegant.

well, where can we listen some of his stuff ?
i remember we already talked about that guy some months ago..so...
maybe he's the guy. is he from new york ?

John-5.com

I doubt he will join, but I would like it. I've seen John twice, with Manson and Zombie, he's a hell of a good guitar player.

http://www.myspace.com/john5official

Hey guys I got great news.........


We'll know for sure in 30 days. :peace:

didn't Gilby learn all the gnr tunes in like 1 month? Professional musicians just do wht they gotta. I have no doubts that a gifted guitarist could learn everything he needed to in a month : ok:

now not saying the rumor is true but it is possible, and nesquick why are you against this style of playing so much?....Slash can shred when he wants to dude :peace: (NR outro)


For once i agree with you Mr.I  :hihi:

....the clock is ticking brothers and sisters....ticking down to armageddon

i just listened to "Sin" on myspace and he appears to be the perfect replacement for buckethead !

good choice, if it's confirmed.

Yea i think he wouldnt be a bad choice.. but hes by far the scarriest

That's nothing compared to the songs on his actual site.

He is a brillant guitar player, BUT:

- I prefer 2 guitar players at 100% than 3 guitar players at 75%. Quality and Chemistry over quantity.
- Definitely very disrespectfull toward Richard and Robin if it happens (but I'm pretty sure it won't).
- Another reason to get bad press in the media: "The GNR casting Machine continues", "GNR members come and go like socks", "GNR = pop Idol, pick your phone and vote for the next guitar player!", "GNR: the biggest job office in the music business", "you are a guitar player? you search for a job? contact Axl Rose". It would be very easy to mock GNR once again... this is so predictable.
- Don't you think it's time to see a band? Personately, I think it is time.

One word: Stability. That's the best way to succeed. The double RF are talented enough. Let them shine : ok:

Why would it be disrespectful to recruit a new guitarist to fill in on a resigned one? It would merely enable Finck and Fortus to focus on their own guitar parts. Admit it, you only have a problem with John 5 not being Richard Fortus' long-lost brother.


If people want to mock Axl, there are plenty of other excuses. Start by mentioning the studio bill and the constant delays, move on to the cancelled '02 tour and the riots... I kind of doubt these people would tear into a new guitar player when there's Axl to throw rocks at. Oh, you forgot: "Robin "Goth" Finck gets company in form of another night owl! GNR should be renamed to Nine Inch Barrels!"

NIN has a rotating live band so does rob zombie. It wont matter. It didnt happen when BH joined with brain, so who cares.

That's for sure! And it's not easy to win that accolade in GN'R!  :hihi:

I hear he is pretty good, but the dude looks pretty funny. ?I saw one of his cd covers. ?My friend actually hung it up at a skate shop he worked at and wrote something funny in caption for the boss

He has also performed with salt n pepper, wilson phillips, the go gos and K.D. Lang. He has quite a repertoire atr his disposal. He's probably easily up to the task. No idea if I believe this though. Somewhere on here I read that someone believes that the new guitarist is disguising themself as buckethead at the rehearsals. Not impossible. But one of those things that we'll probably never know. ?:beer: : ok: :peace:

John5 wear ?mask ?, its that a pre order to be the new leader guittarist for GNR ??!

Honnestly, he is an awesome player. But I'm attached to the concept of "beeing a band".

John 5 is a freakin genius. He would be a great choice presuming Slash is not an option.

what a crock... what about Richard breaking that "chemistry" of Paul and Robin from 1997-2001, how come you aren't pissed about that?


Note the 1 month period where richard learns all the stuff he needs to

and how can this be a band when Tommy is playing solo shit and SA gigs everywhere and Dizzy touring USA with Hookers n Blow and Richard in Europe with nina and Pittman doing Zaum stuff and Brain doing drum clinics and Robin doing whatever he does and Axl living in NY while the band rehearses in LA. I mean come on...this is hardly a "tight" band.

they are a bunch of hired hands. that is it, a backing band for Axl.

so again why the hate for these kinds of players?

well they shouldnt. I dont care what he looks like if hes cool and can rock the shit out of shows then who cares!

John 5 is a very solid and versatile player.  I was secretly hoping he would be the choice of replacing the truly irreplaceable Buckethead, who is a friggin' genuis guitar player.  (I was very sad when he left GnR -- if his tracks remain on CD, you will hear that he is the ingredient that elevates this stuff to a different level.)

What a coincidence. I was just thinking about shaving my eyebrows off and putting red lipstick on with a paintroller.
Just kidding.
Assuming Buckethead is still out (his tour will be over 4/23) I wouldn't mind this guy joining the band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAI4s8SLe8&search=john%205%20guitar

judging by the end of that segment i'd say he'd be fine replacing buckethead - at least they'd be able to keep the hog bitch stompa solo piece in the shows.

I wouldn't break my heart if they only had 2 guitarists.

I think both Richard and Robin will be able to handle solos needed. I'm not that big of a shredding fan myself and don't think it suits the style of music they play with the exception of 1 or 2 fills. To all the people who are now going to tell me to go listen to the end of the nightrain solo... well.. I'm not that keen on that. He does have some good tricks on it, but for the most part I think it's not that amazing. I think Bucket was good when he played something melodic, but I won't really miss him.

glad buckethead's gone.  he's such a clown.

I think they'll do just fine with two guitar players. But at this point, I don't care if Paris Hilton joined GN'R on Ukulele, just get a third player, if that's what they want, and get things going. John5 sounds great. He can sure play. If Axl has invited him to join GN'R and he in turn has accepted, then that means CD is closer. Great. No complaints here.

John 5 would be a great choice; he's one of the few (relatively) well-known players who could match Buckethead, he's got a convenient window of opportunity to rehearse the songs and he's got a distinctive image, for what it's worth. Hey, at least he isn't a cheesy-shredder like Batio, yeah?

As long as he ditches that Telecaster for a Les Paul. Man, I hate Telecasters. Fuckin' twangy planks...? >:(

SG

i saw him live with manson in 2001. he 's pretty psyched on stage
cool guitar player. then again, robin , john ...

I haven?t heard him play, but don't mind him joining from looking at the pictures : ok:

I have to say - I think Guns N' Roses need 3 guitarists. If you listen to the solo on 'Better' there is no way in my opinion that Finck or Fortus could handle that. I'm just listening to some of his stuff right now and he is perfect. He is very fast and very precise. His image is a bit goth-like but he still can play and that's the main thing. I heard recently that GNR management had approached him but who knows.

Anyway... Peace x : ok:

http://www.myspace.com/john5official

 : ok:

He's married to Aria Giovanni? Thats as much rock n' roll as you can get.? :hihi:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/AriaGiovanni.jpg)

I seen him play with Marilyn Manson and he fucking rocked!! The guy gets really into it and gets the crowd going!

A few of my freinds were there who were'nt into Manson much, but commented on the guy at the right hand side of the stage - "that guitarist was pretty cool".

No offence but some of you really are daft. The bloody albums been WRITTEN around three goddam guitarists. The outro of Madagascar HINGES on three shrieking lead guitars. Parts of other songs call for rhythm and two leads. There are gonna be songs even more dense and complicated than TWAT which aren't gonna work with just R&R.

Now I've been behind the new band 1000% from the start but let's just get a few things sorted:

Axl made a big point several times, especially in the 2000 Rolling Stone interview that the main reason for the delay was that nobody came into his radar that would replace Slash in the right way.

The songs have ben recorded with the three guitarists all performing different functions. They've all brought their own stuff to the table. People here are suggesting those three parts are gonna be divided and watered down between R&R. That's ridiculous.

Robin is brilliant at what he does, but he cannot replace Slash or Buckethead. He cocked up the November Rain and Blues solos every other night on the tour, not because he's weak but because that's not his forte. After he left for the NIN tour, Bucket came in and the project undoubtedly went in a different direction. When he came back Axl didn't lose Bucket.

Bucket is the guy who would steal the show with the November Rain solo and his incredible Nightrain solos. He's Slash's replacement. R&R are great, we can hear their work on the demos. But Bucket will be ALL over the album and R&R are not going to take the goddam TWAT 2 minute solo and do their own completely different version in live shows. Guns & Roses are gonna play their album live, not some watered down version of it.


Now, bearing in mind that guy's post about meeting Bucket at a signing and him supposedly saying he didn't quit and that he was fired and didn't know why Axl said what he did in the RIR4, explanation, ?the best possible scenario would be for Axl to buy Bucket a warehouse of Leatherface dolls and apologise and beg for him to come back. I personally think the whole Bucket leaving thing was very fishy, regardless of what Tommy says. If Better and TWAT are a good reflection of the whole album, then Buckethead fucking owns the album.

I know loads of old farts still can't get past the idea of the Guns guitar player being a street bum with his hair in his face and looking the epitome of rock cool, a fag end permanently lodged in his mouth, but the majority of fans from die hard to casual really embraced Bucket during the 2002 tour and he could've been a perfect foil for Axl in terms, giving the media another personality to focus on, great magazine covers, the mysterious element....and it would really give Axl the last laugh in terms of "Yeah, you were right all along; this band IS a freak show. But now our freak show is No.1 in 48 countries and we just stole the show at the Grammys. Try taking the piss now."


But since Bucket ain't coming back, the best we can hope for is a guy good enough to play his parts and who has some personality and chemistry with the band.

And to the guy who will inevitably say "The best case scenario is Slash returns!!!!!".....that would REALLY make the last 8 years of work by Tommy and co. seem worthwhile....

i'd love to see john5 in gn'r. i have ozzfest's dvd and he plays with rob zombie, the guy is smilling all the way thru. he seems like a very nice guy and a great guitar player.
i've also seen him live with manson and that was a lot of fun also.

Spot on?  : ok: ?Most of the new songs would sound crap with just two guitarists, John5's style of playing fits so book him!

Bullshit. I think you have never picked up a guitar. Any teenager at Berkley Music School can play what Buckehead plays on "Better". It's not that difficult. In fact it's pretty basic. He just plays it fast, but believe me, there are tons of guitar players who can play fast. Oh yeah and about Fortus, the guy starts playing guitar by learning Jazz... Jazz music is much, much more difficult than anything "shredd". And if you have some 02 video bootlegs, Fortus was able to really speed-up sometimes, especially on the second part of Paradise city or the Outro of "The Blues" and "Think about You".

However, playing with the right vibe and the right feeling is much, much more difficult. That's not what you play wich is important, but the way you play. With a little training, everybody can play the Slash Sweet Child Of Mine solo, but nobody can play it the way Slash plays it, with such a feeling, vibe and sense of placement. That's where the genius is. Same for Knopfler, Page, Clapton etc...

Wow, I didn't realize David Bowie had found the fountain of youth.

:)

Seriously, that pic looks just like Bowie from the Ziggy Stardust days.

The guy IS incredibly versatile.  He's played with lots of artists, in lots of varying styles.

When someone, earlier, called him a chemeleon, they could have just as easily been referring to his musical talents.

You say you prefer 2 guitar players and it would be disrespectful to Fortus and Finck to get a third on.? Yet you'd want Slash back in a second.? Face it nesquick.? You just don't like John5.? If it wasn't the case you wouldn't want Slash as a third guitarist as well.

john 5 is way more capable to replace BH than slash will ever be :P

i've never said I don't like John 5, where did you read that? I rather say? he was an awesome guitar player. I'm against the 3 guitar players idea, because I think it's useless. It is not needed. John 5 or anyone else, it's the same. Not needed. Now Slash is Slash, he is the exeption. The door will always be open for him because he is the greatest and he made GNR as much as Axl. Fact.

John 5 would be the perfect choice, IMHO.

Stylistically, they need someone who can play BH's solos, John 5 is the man. Plus he has the credentials and resume.

If John 5 does join the band this could mean three things:
(1) He will redo all of BH's solos.
(2) He will pepper "Chinese Democracy" with a few licks but BH's work will otherwise remain.
(3) He's just in it for the tour.

I think option (2) would be the way to go. That way he'd be more than just a "hired Gun" but the album wont have to be totally revamped.

Why does everyone care so much about John 5, ?Buckethead 1, some Mantia dude or some other weirdoe who spends 5 hours before the gig trying to be Kiss look a like when non of the freaks aren't GNR till today's day but are hired musicians who are the to replace the unreplacable - Slash, Duff, ?Matt, ?Gilby and Izzy!? ???
REMEMBER (!), ?last official GNR records have been TSI and LIVE ERA ('93 and '99), ?anything post thse guys DOESN'T officialy exist! : ok:

if anyone still doubts john5's skill as a guitarist steve vai called him "an incredible guitar player", figure that counts for something!

from what we've heard in the new songs. if they want to keep the same parts on better for instance, they do need John or a shredder. Finck doesn't shred, and neither does richard. the song has some fast sweep picking all along and John could do it properly.
slash couldn't :P

You are correct sir. Something  people don't get!

John 5 is the one guy who can not only replace Buckethead, but can also take the guitar playing to a whole other level in GNR.  I really hope that this is true.

Listen to that: http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=157Z2JG9KAO900VIEL3CC79TAO
yeah yeah, Richard and Robin aren't able to speed...yeah yeah...guess who's playing so fast? a clue: his initials are "RF", not "BH". surprising huh?
So you still think only Buckethead or John 5 are able to play fast? Riiiiiiiight. Well, wrong analyse.

Axl has already all the talents GNR needs. It's already there. Stability. That's the best way to succeed.

He also played in the David Lee Roth Band circa 98. One of DLRs better, more rocking solo albums.

John 5 would be perfect for the New Era GNR  IMO.

Izzy on rithym (haters may call it GNR again - oh I forgot Slash).
Finck & Fortus on lead.
solved.

Yes but John 5 has gigs with his current band all the way up to the middle of May - no time for rehearsals or learning new songs!

That solution would be fine. But another LEAD guitar player who suddenly comes and takes the lead in an insolant way like "Robin, Richard, go away, I'm John 5 the Lead guitar player, I'm the Star"... no way. It would be very arrogant. A band is like a Football team. The team as a whole is more important than the add of individual talents. That's the way I conceive "a band" and more generally music. That's why Nirvana was so popular for exemple... just an exemple. And believe me, Kurt Cobain was far far from beeing a so called "virtuoso" on guitar. Beeing a "virtuoso" is not important. That's not what makes a band beeing "a band". And this is not something you can buy with $$$, contracts and all this shit.

can someone explain to me how likely this is to happen, or what kind of a source there is for this? how is this not just another "michael angelo" rumour with no real backing?

Actually if Axl asked Fortus or Finck to learn how to shred after Buckethead left, they could easily do that. Two years for a professional guitarist with the right amount of practice is enough to learn how to shred. I personally know a couple of guitarists playing in local cover bands who can play as fast as BH, so Fortus or Finck could definately learn too if necessary.

Supposedly those gigs are in the process of being cancelled (so says something earlier in this thread) and that gigs are being removed from venues web sites.

How likely is anything to happen in the GnR world.

It's noise, at this point.

The noise is getting louder, for sure, on the subject but it's still just noise.  And it likely will be until either a) John5 denies it or b) he shows up on stage at the Hammerstein.

and where does the noise come from?
i don't write anything off when it comes to gnr, but does it come from anywhere credible or could it be just another message board rumour?

The noise come from SP1AT.

Oh dear Lord the man is playing through Crate. ?John, play through anything, just not Crate! :no: ?

But Buckethead doesn't just shred -- he's an incredible guitarist and I suspect he does a lot more on CD than merely "play fast."   It's silly to argue that Fortus or Finck (in particular) could simply convert themselves into the kind of player that Buckethead is.   F&F are totally different players and are just not in the same technical league as Buckethead, and neither is Slash -- and I bet F&F and Slash would all fully concede that.  No sensible person who knows anything about guitar playing could argue otherwise.  NOW, if you want to talk about "feel" or better fit, that's a separate issue.  I don't disagree that pure technical ability alone does not necessarily makes you the better player for a band.  For instance, I think David Gilmour is brilliant and plays beautiful guitar leads, but he is not very technically adept (he admits that).  I think Adler was a much, much better fit than Sorum for GnR, but there is no doubt that Sorum is the better technical player.  But to argue that Finck or Fortus can simply mimic what Buckethead can do is crazy -- they can't, and that's why I would wager large sums of money that there will be a "new" third guitarist when GnR go on tour.  Any takers?

By the way, I think John 5's finger-picking and twangy style could bring something really interesting to GnR.  I sure hope he is the replacement player.

Look, here is how I see the whole thing:
- I don't think there will be a 3rd guitar player in the near future. The New York warm-up gigs and the European Tour will be a test to see if 2 guitarists (Rich and Rob) are enough. After the Tour, they will all come back to America during the summer, analyse their shows, and see if the band works fine like that. If they think an additional guitar player is needed, they will hire one, if not, they will stay with 2. I think it's a possible scenario and it would be the best one for me.

Last thing: Don't underrate the Keyboards. You can do a lot of work with 2 keyboards.

The album is done, whom ever they get will just be the touring guitarist for CD album.

there better not be keyboard solos in GnR....I'll be pissed :rant:

From a bunch of different places, actually.  Most of them are cited in this thread, somewhere.  But this particular buzz has been around for awhile, and is now building in volume.

Which doesn't mean it's anything other than a message board rumor.  It still could be.  It's just a particularly rampant one, if that's what it is....and it's not just being discussed on gnr boards.

Yeah, for as much as I liked Van Halen - I hated the "keyboard album"

Nesquick,

I hear your concerns... BUT, by all reports John 5 is one of the most humble and respectful players in all of the business. When Manson decided to go in another direction with the lead guitarist slot... he was completely CLASS about it and has said nothing but nice things about Manson in the years since. He's also 100% drug and alcohol free.
I really don't see him rocking the boat all that much... and I'm sure he would have ample respect for Robin and Richard and what they bring to the table.

I think he could be a great stabilizing force on the band... and maybe even for Axl.

Plus, the dude can FLAT OUT PLAY.

Great hire if they can get it done...

IF the rumor is true...

GnR is quickly becoming "The Yankees" of the Rock and Roll world.  With John5, they'd be fielding a freaking team of All-Stars, for gods sake.

I wouldnt go that far.

the Damn Yankees?  naw... they'd need the Nuge for that.  :hihi:

i downloaded the John 5 album last year, its pretty good  : ok: i would have brought an original copy only the chances of the record shops in my area stocking it are pretty slim  ;)
(http://www.thefactory.propagande.org/images/chroniques/john5-vertigo.jpg)

Jonn 5 has worked with Manson, Zombie and others, he would be a great fit in gnr

she is hot  :drool:

Really?

Look at their line up.

All accomplished musicians..every single one.

All of them have had success outside of GnR.

All of them have subtantial writing and performing credits to their names.

if afleck can get his asslicks, how come i can't, shit, goddamn bitch, i'm rich, i can't understand this!

We hope it's done!  :hihi:

The rumor is its mastered, that is why axl was in NYC so much.

all these bitches must be together on the internet, as close as i'm ever gonna get to hittin' them from the back, and shit, when it comes to that, i hit harder from the back than everlast when he's fucking lethal in his fucking ass!

He ain't ditching the Tele - it's his own signature model made by Fender, to his specs.

Pilferk,

I definitely agree that there's somewhat of an "all-star" feel to the band- but I don't think it's a "Super Group" by any means... not sure if that makes sense or not... but, I think a lot of thought has been put into putting the band together and everyone's there for a purpose... it's not just like Axl sat at home and said "Give me Eddie Van Halen on lead guitar- Krist Noveselic on bass, Tommy Lee on drums... and let's put Trent Reznor on the knobs for good measure." Some thought and research obviously went in to come up with the names that they did. They're definitely independently accomplished, but aside from Axl, these aren't household names we're talking about here...

he is an amazing player

but why axl likes to hire freaks ?!?!??!?!?

why axl.... why....?!? :'(

thats what I was going to say, I'd rather someone that looked normal. But whatever, its the Axl show now.

lol :hihi:

go cut your mullets and drop your leather jackets, this is a new era and it's gonna ROCK! :smoking:

Doesn't anybody get it? ?Axl's a freak now... he doesn't want anyone in the band to be more sane than he is.

"And ought to find someone that belonged insane like I do"

i hate mullets  :rofl:

seriously man.....im not asking the 80`s to be back....but you dont need to be a freak to ROCK!!!

Hey man, don't diss mullets... Captain Planet had a mullet, and he rocks!!!  :hihi:

But yeah, even though I don't want to judge any of the guys by appearance, I'd rather for someone who isn't gonna wear more make up than a $5 hooker to play with the Gunners.  I mean, wasn't Guns N' Roses about stopping the whole make-up and hairspray image movement?  The music is more important than the image.  Always has been with GNR... that's probably part of the reason Axl wanted Buckethead out; because his image took away from his actual talent.

You want normal looking or talented?

I'd take talented, personally.

I don't much care what they look like, so long as they can play the fuck out of their instrument of choice.

I know. But it's still a twangy plank.

SG

there is a lot of guitar players that can play the fuck out of gnr songs...my point is
with so many options ..why he hired freak??

dont get this wrong i think the new band kick ass.. but i want the whole package
i dont want that the look of a player cares as much (to the regular public) as his/her hability to play the instrument

take buckethead case... we all know that buckethead is an amazing player...
but take it to the level of average teenage that watch mtv..or anybody

buckethead was more "famous" because he had a mask and a bucket of KFC
than the greatest player he is

Well said Pilferk. I think people put way too much emphasis on looks. I really couldn't care if Axl hired a dog-eating, lesbian, green-painted transsexual, as long as he (she?) can play, I'm good. Although, it would be interesting to see a dog-eating, lesbian, green-painted transsexual playing guitar  :hihi: j/k.

Really, I think people tend to judge a book by its cover, and that's quite sad. I was quite shocked when I saw Bucket for the first time. I never even heard of the guy before, so I had no idea what kind of guitar player he was. Now, I really enjoy listening to my 02 bootlegs and Bucket's parts have a lot to do with that. If you don't want to see the looks of the guys in the band, just close your eyes and listen  : ok:

Because the "freak" was the best candidate for the job?

with the ammount of people that plays the guitar, can you say that is teh best candidate?

this guy can play the fuck out of his instrument..but like him so many others (some freaks ..some not!!!)

Can I say it?

No, because I didn't "interview" them.?And I'm not a member of the band. And my opinion on the subject, as such, isn't relevant.

But the band and Axl DID interview them.

And whoever did that interview DID think they were the best candidate for the job.

It's not ONLY about playing their instrument well.? It's about musicianship, chemistry with the rest of the band, and, yes, playing the fuck out of their instrument.

And I doubt, highly, that "look" was even a secondary consideration.

That's the point.? I doubt image was a consideration.? They just brought in the best candidate they had to choose from.

telecasters are great guitars, but in this case i think a LP is the guitar for the job. but don't worry. John5 has tons of guitars, he's using the telecaster now cuz it fits what he needs to do in the bands he's in.
if the job requires something else. je has plenty of les pauls and other guitars to use.

The new band works on material with 3 guitarists for years, the albums tracks are based around 3 leads and you say a 3rd touring guitarist is not needed. But the door is always open for Slash even though he had no interest in doing the kind of music we've already heard and wants to stick to basic riff-rock, even though he would have bugger all in common personally with Tommy, Richard and Robin who all have comparatively bookish, learned intellects and probably wouldn't identify or get on with Slash at all?

Yes and no...how about the All Star team of "highly respected-within-the-industry-musicians-with-little mainstream-name recognition?"

axls not really hiring freaks just people with they own image, and john 5 has played many places just looking like a rocker since leaving manson, so the goth scary image was just for a period, if he joins gnr he might change his mind

as for the others buckethead i think was just trying to compete with slash :)

When was it officially confirmed that John 5 will tour with GNR this summer??? 

It's still speculation at this point.  John 5 canceled his solo dates and Sp1at has mentioned that John 5 might be considered for GNR.

I did not think so. 

i would like to know sp1at's basis for this speculation.

Blame Gigger. He is full of shit . And I didn't appreciate the way he talked to me. The fact is that he met John 5, though he was a cool dude, and now is making propaganda on GNR boards to get him in GNR. But He has no proof. Not even one. It's just speculation. He behaves like a tabloid journalist.
For me it smells like the Michael Angelo Batio rumour. Take it for what it is: just a rumour, and most certainely a false alert. Last thing, don't take too seriously what "Talking Metal" says, I used to like listening to them, I though they were cool, but they gave many many so called "exclusivity" that were completely wrong. I don't listen to them anymore: They don't know more than we do. They just give false hopes and speak about things they don't have a clue about.

I won't believe the John 5 so called "information" until I see it on the news section of HTGH. The day Jarmo will put it on the news I know it will be a credible information. In the meantime, it is not. End of story.

Dizzy can come out front wearing one of those keyboard guitar gizmos like you find in Toys R US. He could really shred some keys...


(http://www.made-in-china.com/servlet/showdbimage?compatible=true&tid=2&fid=0&lan_code=0&cache=1&id=dmQxLBaFYEVy)

You've been around long enough to know to take these rumors with a grain of salt. ?Love them or hate them, Sp1ats mantra is the same. ?But I'll admit, Gigger was a little harsh on ya.

It would be Rotfl N' Lol :D

BTW I doubt that John 5 would play with GN'R :]

I've just been listening to some john5 solo stuff since first reading this thread. he does sound like he'd be a credible replacement for bucket. wether he actually IS is up for speculation, but it'd be good i think. as good as RF+RF are they are two people, not three people. You think Axl would just play anyway without a drum part? still rumours are rumours. Tommy stinson told me in person when the album would come out, that was new year 2005! (I met him supporting Jesse Malin in leeds, you can or can't believe that if you want. It was discussed when i first posted the news -first post y'see?)

Bucket fans were not too happy with John 5's solo material: many of them found it derivative of Bucket's work.

  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: KV, that is just too funny.

I like John, good player and cool guy in general.

That said, I'm not sure if a role in a 3 guitar rotation playing songs he had no part creating is that appealing of a gig at this point in his career. 

Might not be that smart of a move for Axl either, he catches quite a bit of flack for Finck as it is and the addition of John may just stir up the industrial wanna be pot again.

Thats a really good point, Falcon. People should take that into consideration when they hear all this stuff about him being in GNR.

Accoding to Blabbermouth, yeah I know who the F are they, John 5 quit his band to join Rob Zombie full time. 

This probably means that he is not available for GNR.  Zombie is touring until May 5.  That leaves 10 days for them to rehearse with him. 

Doesnt seem plausible to me.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=51099

http://www.robzombie.com/tour/default.aspx

John 5 with Rob Zombie http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=51099

Now gnrfnraxl, gigger and all those fuckers at Sp1at are full of shit. I was right, they were wrong, and from the begining. John 5 not in GNR. Next time, instead of spreading their bullshits and insulting people who don't believe them, they'd better give their source and stop saying that RUMOURS are INFORMATIONS.

Rant Off. It needed to be said? >:(

Nesquick, I dont agree with alot of the things you say either, but I think Sp1at was way too harsh with their comments towards you. You are one of their more loyal posters, and the comments they made were way out of line. If thats how Gigger felt, he shouldve sent that to you in a PM.

I watched the video of him, he was pretty darn good.

When he said "This song is called 'behind the nut love'" I laughed my ass off, spraying my computer monitor in the process.

John's been with Rob for nearly a year now, what on earth made anyone think/wish/believe he'd leave that gig in the first place?

They didn't like when I told them "there is no source to this information". They really, really didn't like it and started to insult me... nice guys!
You know what? Sp1at has no credibility for me anymore. They went too far. This is just a tabloid board for me now. The real deal is here, it's HTGH, credible informations are here.

Here is a part of the PM Gigger sent me yesterday when i told him it was bullshit: "I am 99.5% certain it is John 5."
Guess what? it is not!

Because a bunch of people keep saying they have inside info and eventually some of them will finally pull something credible out of their hat. They will just keep naming people until theyre right. All these people want "credibility", and this kind of shit wont stop until they think they have it. Yeah I read it Nes. What they said to you was really below the belt. The thing is Nes, there aren't any sources. All these sources exist inside people's imaginations. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The only posters that have any credibility are Mysteron and darknemus. The rest can take a long walk off a short pier.

I also look at that site as a fraud.. to think gigger has had the audacity to call me "fake" when in fact his site is incorrect 80% of the time.

yeah...anyway let's forget that story. They even want to ban me from there now. So to sum-up, I was right, I was insulted and now to finish they want to ban me. This story is simply incredible.
Anyway, let's forget those guys, they don't deserve any respect anymore. It's over. They are not serious. They are tabloids.

Nesquick, has John 5 made public statement today denying these rumors, I openly admit I haven't been able to get ANY info on the guitarest situation. In my opinion it's a bigger secret than C.D's release date.

So it's basically wishful speculation with no logical thought let alone factual basis. :yes:

NOBODY knows if there will be a 3rd guitar player. We don't know it. Sp1at, or no Sp1at. Nobody knows at this stage exept the band. So I think it's pretty arrogant to see some people claiming "I know who the 3rd guitar player is, i'm 99.5 % it's John 5" "I have special top secret information, you must believe me". If you give your source, fine. I you don't, then I have the right not to believe you.

Exactly! I'm still waiting for the "Tiny Tim resurrected to replace BH" rumour. :rofl: :rofl:

Honest to god, NOTHING would surprise me as far as the third guitarest goes.

this has got to be the most rumoured band in the history of mankind. i bet the reason why axl doesn't go on the internet anymore is that he was laughing himself into a seizure every time he entered a gnr message board and hence was destracted from his work.

I know it's just a rumor, but I like John 5. He's a good guy...  he'd be capable to fill the possition. God only knows who WILL, but still...

As much as I'd like to start a Trey Spruance is the new GNR guitarist thread - I think I won't because it would have the same merit in the "wishful thinking" category - this all seems to be speculation

from blabermouth:

Former MARILYN MANSON Guitarist JOHN 5 Leaves LOSER To Focus On ROB ZOMBIE

- Apr. 17, 2006

Island Records made the decision to drop the band LOSER when founding member John 5 (ex-MARILYN MANSON) opted to leave the group and maintain his position as the guitarist for ROB ZOMBIE. "Being the founding member of LOSER, my decision to leave was not an easy one," said John 5 in a press release. "I've been juggling two careers both with LOSER and ROB ZOMBIE for over one year now. I found it impossible to be in two places at once."

With the success of ROB ZOMBIE's "Educated Horses" 2006 tour and the new dates added to the trek, it became impossible for John 5 to promote LOSER properly. In discussions with Island, John 5 suggested bringing in a replacement guitarist for LOSER's live shows. Island Records was in opposition to the suggestion as that is not "what they had signed on for." Consequently, Island Records chose to drop the act. "I understand the decision from the label but feel it could have worked out for everyone involved," John 5 said. "I wish Joe, Glen and Charles all the success they deserve. They are amazing guys and deserve their shot."

There is currently no word on when ? or if ? LOSER's already completed debut album will be released.

I'd be skeptical of him dropping out on the eve of the tour ;D...Dean Menta fillled in admirably for FNM though

Trey in GNR.........that opend a whole new door to me :o :o :o :o

i dont think so, but hell that would be nasty!! :drool:

Only 80%? I'll take that as a compliment.? :hihi:

For the record, I maintain that John5 will be the new guitarist even in light of recent press release. If I'm wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong but only when proven wrong.?I guess we'll find out May 15th. :beer: : ok:

Nesquick - I'm glad you posted my PM here though, that's very noble of you. I've got a good series of PMs from you about Slash and GnR but I'll refrain from posting them, hence why they are called Private Messages.? :rofl:

Gigger didnt write this blog right?

John 5 in Guns N Roses?
I think he would be the perfect addition to the new GnR. I have seen him play live with Halford (Two), Manson and Zombie. He also played with David Lee for an album. Amazing player, great stage presences. Check out his "Vertigo" album. His band, Loser, was supposed to be touring in May BUT I am told by bookers they are canceling the tour. Most clubs have removed them from their website. This could free him up for a few weeks of rehearsal with GnR before they hit Europe in late May. Speaking of Guns n Roses... The leaked demo tracks sound amazing. There is a song called, "Better" that is one of the best rock tracks I have heard in years. IRS is ALSO Killer. People sometime forget what a great songwriter Axl Rose is. He has written some of the true rock classics of the past 19 years... and it sounds like more of them are on the way. For more on John 5 and GnR listen to the recent Talking Metal podcasts.



BUT AGAIN - I know nothing official on John 5 or GnR... no one does. Dizzy Reed said recently on WMMR that he doesn't even know what is going except GnR are playing this summer. It is all guess work my friends.

BUT I was told by someone on the Rob Zombie tour that GnR management had contacted John 5.... I was not told why they were contacting but you would think it might be about playing guitar for one of their artists.



If not then that could  be here he got his info from.

I didn't write that - and it's not where I got my info from although it was interesting to see it mentioned independantly to what I was told.

what do you mean ? Scott Weiland is the webmaster ?

 :hihi:

I think we all accept that the leaked tracks came from the GNR camp to build up excitement for the tour dates. And considering those tracks, especially Better, heavily featured Buckethead and are likely to be played on tour, I'd say it's 99% certain that Axl had a replacement ready for him months ago. I don't see the point in keeping it a secret from us.

I don't know if John 5 will get the gig or not... but I don't put much stock into the whole... "I need to focus more on my Zombie obligations..." That's just an attempt to put the best fucking spin possible on the fact that his band got dropped....

Maybe Axl could lure him over with a record deal for Loser...

does this thread have any real basis...? Just asking I don't feel like going through it all..

i dont know about him but his wife got a lot of talent :drool:

Nope.  None.

Nothing other than the fact that his schedule after May 5th is suddenly free- and he's probably one of the few people on this earth that can step on stage in two weeks time and perfectly replicate all of Slash's and Buckethead's solos.

PS I can't remember if this was mentioned on this thread or over at Metal Sludge... but apparently John 5 played the Paradise City intro at a Zombie show last week... maybe he was just joking around b/c of all the rumors... or maybe, as Axl would say... IT WAS A SIGN.

My schedule just freed up after May 5, whoa!  Maybe it's me!

Hell, Eddie Van Halen isn't doing anything these days.  I'll bet he's the new guy. : ok:. 

Eddie can barely tune his guitar these days...he's to busy getting hammered.

Axl hitting on his new guitarist's wife could be a bit problematic......  :hihi:

You don't know how she's earning her money, do you?  :hihi:

It's Tony Iommi!

yeah, let's grasp at straws   :P

Might as well!

This whole thread is just that.

I'll add a few to the wish list. Maybe one of these picks will pop up in the imagination of a phantom source.

Kim Thayil
Robert Cray
Vernon Reid
Justine Frischmann
Stevie Ray Vaughn's corpse


This thread is identical to the "Who should replace Buckethead" thread in Dead Horse. Its just 100% speculation.

haha vernon reid. good one, dude.

According to the latests Rolling Stone, Derek Trucks (from the Allman Bros) is playing with Eric Clapton this summer, so hopefull that will kill that rumor the Talking Metal guys have been spreading.

they just post what they hear dude.....and at least they have a bit of connections, so don't get upset about it. I'd rather hear rumors and speculation than nothing : ok:

How about Marty Friedman or Al Pitrelli both of Megadeth fame...both are good Choices IMO :peace:

uh...sorry, but no one can possibly be a bigger freak than buckethead...c'mon...the mask, the kfc bucket - john 5 may wear makeup, but at least he shows his face and doesn't look in dumpsters for things to put on his head.

oh...and it's spelled "doubt"....not "dought"....did you even graduate high school?

Oh shit, I didn't even think about that one but.....

Angus Young might be new guitarist too!

I am full of shit?  Is that right?  Well then I really need to hit the toilets then.  You litlle bastard.  I never claimed that john5 IS the new guitarist of GNR.  I HOPE HE IS.  Big difference.

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damnn damn damn ,that's his wife.. Aria giovanni.// She's an excellent actress I've seen all her works :smoking:

I think I should be the new guitarist actually .. I dont have alot to do this summer , I have about 20 guitars and I even have a mask!!! I'm sure I'd fit right in!!!

Pick me!!

My tour with gnr starts now!!

QUute frankly, while i'd like it to be j5, at this point, as long as the dude can pick up the songs in a month and not suck by the time the tour starts, I'll be happy. : ok:

Maybe if J5 is in the band he could play November Rain without completely butchering it.

I just saw John 5 play with Rob Zombie at the Myth in St. Paul.  It was a great show.  J5 would be a great choice!  As a joke near the end of the show the band kicked into "Sweet Dreams", then stopped, switched to Poison's "Nothing But A Good Time" then stopped again, before starting a Zombie song.  I think J5 playing "Paradise City" a few weeks back was just more of this band having fun, not really a secret hint of things to come.  It'd sure be cool though...

Why is this thread still going? It's based on nothing but a rumour.......there's just as big a chance that Slash will play than John 5

No, Mark Strigl from Talking Metal wrote that blog.

It was Strigl's speculation AND his statement that he knew GN'R management had contacted John 5 that started the curiosity about this situation, at least for me.

There's nothing fraudulent about discussing the possibility of someone joining the band, especially when it's been reported that he was contacted by GN'R management.

Ali

I don't think the RIR official website would call it "a surprise" if it were John 5... I mean come on... he is not really famous. You call something or someone "a? surprise" when he has an aura, when he is famous, when it's something big. This is not the case of John 5 (to tell you the truth, I still don't have a dawn clue of who he is, or barely in picture). I think if it were John 5, Nobody would care and nobody would call it "a surprise".
Anyway, I think it could be Izzy on 1 or 2 songs...who knows...wait and see ? :P

That's about all we can do is wait and see....and you're right nesquick...could be anybody

keep dreaming dude!
and J5 is famous.. at least more relevant and famous in today's music bussines than izzy

yeah...I mean imagine the thing: "Ladies and Gentlemen, he is the surprise!"....and then you see John 5 walking onstage...2 claps in the public...people looking at each other..."john who?"...and then....silence...riot. :hihi:
nah, I don't believe it. I think it will be someone famous : ok:

The surprise will be Axl performing again :hihi:

Suprise, Beta is the new guitarist!  :D

Rob Zombie dates now extended beyond May 5th.

The first show is in NYC (and I cant wait to be there!!!!) so....the third guitarist will be.....


BUMBLEFOOT!!! (BEST RUMOR LAST YEAR).

Hey, why not?!?!?

 ;D

If thats the case he needs to leave that ugly-ass bumblebee guitar at home.

who is bumblefoot? Sounds like he should be playing at kids parties, not with guns n roses

bumblefoot tours europe this summer but he has conflicts with GnR dates :-\

25 MAY Moscow, Russia  Apelsinclub  All ages show...
26-28 MAY Moscow, Russia  Druzhba sports hall "MusicFest" Festival
30 MAY (to be announced...)     
31 MAY Brussels, Belgium Le Botanique (Witloof Bar) w/Youri De Groote
01 JUNE Paris, France La Sc?ne Bastille w/Metal Kartoon
02 JUNE Nantes, France Le Floride   
03 JUNE Brest, France MJC/MPT Harteloire   
21-24 JUNE Raleigh, NC Raleigh Music Academy Guitar Workshop, w/Greg Howe
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4-9 AUG G?teborg, Sweden Freak Guitar Camp Guitar Workshop, w/Mattias Eklundh
17-18 AUG Mexico City, Mexico World Trade Center "Expo Rock" Festival 

Ron Thal. This was a serious rumor last year. He disclosed that he was in talks with GNR.

stop biting my jokes and close this topic unless it has any truth to it, thank you.

Foolishly, as it turned out, because Axl doesn't like people actually keeping their fans informed. For daring to, y'know, try and quash rumours that he'd actually joined GN'R and clarifying the situation, he was summarily dropped by GN'R. More evidence, if it were needed, that Axl can be a right twat at times...  ::)

http://www.myspace.com/bumblefoot <- there's a video on there. He's quite Buckethead-esque.

SG