Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I just got a replay from Richard Fortus. This is part of the email.

To answer your question, yes, the plan is still to
release multiple records over the next few years.? Hopefully starting
in Sept.? We are currently rehearsing for our tour in Europe this
summer and the band is sounding better than ever.? Hope to see you in
September here in the states.
thanks for your continued support.
richard

Ha ha, that's great.. co-incides with the info I got about an American tour.  It also co-incides with me being told that C.D  hasn't even been mastered yet. :)

Mothafucka yes.

everything is hopefully.... Poor richard must be annoyed by the same few over and over :hihi:

at the first show he will be like dave please stop emailing me.. ;)

"Hopefully" it happens ..

Nice...... : ok:

Thats fucking awsome!

Nice. ?Thanks alot Dave. : ok:

now can people stop with the Reunion thorys.....

This sorta made my day? :hihi:

What does the entire email say?

Woah.. holy shit, that confirms I've been correct in posting the whole time that the re-union rumors were a crock of shit too.

That email was sent out 4 months ago and just got ?back to me now. I have only emailed him 3 times in 2 years. And one of the times it was to give him the new songs live.

Europe in the Summer, CD in the fall with a US Tour... Fuck this could be good!

hmmm what about a single?

US tour is gonna be the fucking shiz.... but their is time for plans to change on the sownside unfortunatly

It was just wish him well in parenthood and stuff like that. I dont post personal info about the band members lives.

he hasnt heard the new songs live?

It was the remixed and remastered ones.

you know richard fortus personaly?

DUDE can you please stop talking about yourself?  we all know you're a phony trying to get attention on the internet

what did he say about them?? he likes?

shouldve asked him if they would do a northern venue ?: ok: ...... u can telll where i live ?:hihi:

Hope springs eternal

No.

Just wanted to point out that yet again.. I was right. God knows you'll all be foaming at the mouth when something appears that proves my statements wrong. :peace:

What would we do without you and your analysis?>!

 :confused: im confused.

This is great! in so excited!

what statements? everyone knew the reunion was bs..

Basically I asked him if he was excited that he is gonna have a baby soon and stuff like that. Its not gnr related and its personal info, so I left it out. Got it?

Thats not true...I was totally buying into it until Mr. Intensity told me otherwise.  I mean, he was so on the up and up when it came to the leaks.  I think this board is GARBAGE without his presence here.  God bless him.

Ha ha, anyone with a half of brain knew it was bs.. yet I'd say there was at least 15-30 posters who believed it was a possibilitiy. I also told the board an American tour would happen after the European tour. I just get annoyed when people say all the info I post is "fake" or "wrong", yet it never is....

Anyway, this is more great news!!! Dizzy confirmed rehearsals and now Richard!!!

haha, you're definitely my hero Mr. Intensity :beer:

Things are definitely looking up for Axl and company.

I just hope I get to see them on their tour for the states coming in the fall.

Don't we all wish we were as cool as Mr. Intensity?? dude's right about something maybe 3 times outta 40.  Haha, gotta love that inside information.  ;)

But yeah, great to hear that Fortus responded and is looking to release a CD and tour the US.  Finally, some good will come from the GNR camp, hopefully.

 :yes:

honestly I think a lot of things all depend on how the Euro tour goes...until then this is no different then everything else we have heard in the past...."we shall see".....

Aug/Sept will roll around and then we will hear about the "Christmas" release because the company wants to sell as many as possible with the holiday shopping{Nov-Dec}...and then next thing we know Spring/Summer '07 will be upon us...and ill be another yr older!

I want the fucking Album!!!!!!!!! ?the tour is cool but i want to hear that album!!!! I hope Fortus is right..

LOL and you've been here since the end of january

sad but true.... but im excited now!!!

i'm gonna be the jerk that ruins the thread...

SEPTEMBER?! ?THAT'S IN LIKE 7583215 YEARS! ?god damn!

oh well, at least it came from da 4tus.

someone ban this fuck, please.

Those of you patting yourselves on the back in this thread, stop wasting space. It's the internet, no one cares.

Good work dave in getting a reply... this is the first word from a band member in a while. So Euro Tour/Album/US Tour... makes sense.

Post something I was wrong about??

well,this is good news i suppose ?: ok:.thanks for posting this dave-gnfnr2k.do you release that you could go down in history for being the first person to get the official month release date for CD,if what richie says does happen.give yourself a pat on the back ?: ok: :beer:

Why are you so upset?

Nice! ?Hope this turns out to be true. ?Nothing wrong with playing the european dates before the album is released as it will serve as a great promotional tool. ?Perhaps we'll see a Sept. 19th release which would make it exactly (to the week) 15 years since UYI.

Fucking wonderful news.

Fuck yes... I cant wait... I bet the new band is gonna tear Europe apart... please european fans video video video!!!!

DUDE IT'S OBVIOUS THERE WOULD BE AN AMERICAN TOUR FOLLOWING EUROPE.  EVERYONE HAS THOUGHT THIS - NOT JUST YOU.  YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL AND YOU ARE ANNOYING AS FUCK.  NOW GO DO YOU MATH HOMEWORK OR SOMETHING.

Any "insiders" here know when we might expect a single?....

That's fuckin awesome!! Thanks Dave!  : ok:

So, you are confirming that I have been correct, thank you.

im not an insider but i would bet that it would be a few weeks before the album drops.

Great news, thanks dave for sharing! ?: ok:

I like the "the band sounds better than ever" part. ?:D

I've still gotten no word on that, but can tell you that I was told a few weeks ago.. "no demos have even been mastered yet."

However, if one demo was slated to appear on The Da Vinci code I would assume it would have to be mastered within the next month.

I have a question.... why the devinci code? does it have any significance to the album and what demo would they pick?.... hopefully a new one

I can't help but wonder if this is a case of "addition by subtraction".  That the band's chemistry is better because Buckethead is not around, and therefore they sound better. 

I'm not knocking Bucket.  I love him as a player, but it's obvious that he wasn't tight with several members of the band, especially Robin and Tommy.  Even Richard has said he hasn't spoken to him since he's left.  I think that in the end, all the talent in the world doesn't matter if you're not a cohesive unit.

Ali

I would just say wouldn't one think all your hopes and dreams will be told at rio?? How can this tour happen without axl speaking about the album in a concrete fashion?? Glad he responded to you dave with such detail, but I will just wait to hear what axl and only axl has to say at rio just cause anything and everything always happens...

It's just an old rumor, but surprisingly the band or management won't knock it down and say "no, it's not happening".. so the rumor has hung in the balance for months on end.

I'd say Madagascar would fit perfectly.

Sweet hope its not a lie.

I don't think Richard would lie.. he seems to be very genuine and the most fan friendly out of the new line up. Davegnfnr2k is also a very reliable poster.. I seen him here for a long time.

thanx u dave  ;D ;D ;D ;D
will see ya in sept!!!!!!!!!

Good news. But anyone moron could have said that there will be an American tour after the festival run, Mr. I. I have yet seen anything that would back up your claims that you have sources.

Thanks Dave for e-mailing richie boy.

No album before the Euro tour.

Probably a mistake, unless there is an announcement and/or a single.

Why not?? they are playing festivals yeah? no need to for an album yet if they are not doing a headlining tour....

Actually reunion sounds more promising. Axl has played the waiting game to his advantage to try and work things out in hopes Slash and Duff return. 2002 was an eye opener. They have tons of time between now and September to re-record and add anything to the album. Until i see the line-up or an official line-up is announced i think its wide open right now. I can't imagine the new band playing the same old AFD setlists as was in 2002. Now Slash and Duff with Axl doing the old material would seem fresh. They also can't play a ton of new material or CD will not be a surprise at all. Might as well leak the whole album now.

if the album doesnt come out before,during or shortly after this tour then w ewill be down the same road as 2002.....the road that leads to nowhere.....

and if we end up there I will mail in my resume to the company and try to get merk fired so I can tell Axl myself to stop doing stupid shit like this and just lay low until YOU ARE READY to release the album....then he can tour all he wants...but whatever

your a jack ass... did u just read what Fortus said???

ok you keep hoping for a reunion when most people now dont want it... you keep livin the dream buddy!

Nice words from Richard ?8)

if they play a few new songs excluding the demos weve heard then they wont need an album out before the tour starts.but if they play mostly old songs then itd be 50/50 wether this would work in favour or against them.but im sure if poeple who havnt seen them before go to see them this year and they sing twinkle twinkle little star they would enjoy it.

I'm not excited anymore. I'm tired of lies.

Well, Da Vinci Code is gonna be pretty huge. So will CD.

yea but if they play other new songs excluding the leaks then what? We dont even need the album cause we'll have it already!...and to me thats not the way I envisoned this album. Whats done is done. Fine. But if they are gonna play some more off CD then whatver. Not fun for me. I wont complain but whatvever I guess..idk....If the album has 15 or more tracks fine..but 13 ...not good....or if they do in fact release 10 extra tracks along with the album fine...its all confusing to me....but from now till Sept is only 5 months...so ..as usual time will tell....

perhaps those leaks wont be on CD.... that would be my guess... I think they are older songs that wont even make the album....

So another tour will begin without an album. ?What great fucking news.

Shoeboy

personally i think that only better and maybe T.W.A.T will be on CD

back! back to the negativity pit with you!!

you know everyone of those people were like we are going to get an announcement cool your jets this isn't 2002 again blah blah blah and now everyone is like cool the album coming out after the tour..... There is no wrong in people's eyes... Remember the oh it's only march there is plenty of time left..... I thought you guys wanted a single and said it was going to happen, or the album was going to come before the tour, some major announcements... I know it is what it is but some of you are just satisfied with whatever because you love the band... At least YG says how it is

Because some guy on the internet claims he got an e-mail with no proof whatsoever?

Thanks Dave! Just as I thought.. warm up Euro festivals and gigs before the big launch! Great news  :)

and whos in gn'r??? fortus and the rest??? and who the hell is the lead guitar??
thnx  ;D ;D ;D

"no demos have even been mastered yet."

If that's a quote from your "source" then they're just as stupid as you.  No one masters their demos.  You master your final track.  Any "insider" would know the lingo. 

Also, I'd bet the soundtrack for Da Vinci is already mastered and being pressed as we speak.  Soundtracks usually are released before the film these days.

Keep your eyes peeled at the record store boys and girls.  Or online.  If there's a track on The Da Vinci Code, there's a good chance it could be the first single, JUST before RIR.  Eh, eh?  That would make some sense.   Get it played on the radio during the summer months, hyping the U.S. tour.  Kudos Dave, that's a good scoop. 

Da Vinci Code soundtrack is being released on May 9th.  No songs, just the score.  Just like every other soundtrack rumor for the last 4 years., this one is bullshit.

what do you mean by "just the score"

I think they need a single and an annoucement to sustain this tour. With nothing to discern this latest 'comeback' from 2002, the media will rip this band apart and Axl could wig out again, no pun intended.

No album
No single
No announcement


No credibility

The music from the film.

Interview was just the score plus SFTD, so that could happen again.

Not sure why i'm a jackass....seems to me one persons opinion is as valid as anyone elses. Its not as if Fortus gave us the official timeline of events. Sounds like he made the statments with his fingers crossed. He also stated that the band sounded better than ever. That could meen a hundred different combinations of people. Since the Lies album we have had several changes and it has gotten more inconsitent as time wears on. It so inconsistent they can not even devulge officially who's in or out. So you little penis puss pool i will keep an open mind to whatever happens.... nothing will surprise me. Until we get something offical we are all maggots feeding on the scraps of rumours and supposed offical emails and inside scoops.

Well I stand corrrected there will be one song on the soundtrack.  "Celice" by Martin Terefe.  Its on IMDB.  Any songs would be in the credits, the credits are uploaded to IMDB via the studios.  You people want to believe this shit so bad it's pathetic.  There will be no GNR song in that film.

Catcher in the Rye for the movie Chapter 27 which is based on the murder of John Lennon makes more sense as a soundtrack to be associated with. I'm generally against soundtracks anyway. But Chapter 27 and CITR makes sense.

DaVinci Code track list.  NO GNR!

 1.       Dies Mercurii I Martius
2.     L'esprit Des Gabriel
3.     The Paschal Spiral
4.     Fructus Gravis
5.     Quodis Arcana
6.     Malleus Maleficarum
7.     Salvete Virgines
8.     Daniel's 9th Cipher
9.     Poisoned Chalice
10.     The Citrine Cross
11.     Rose Of Arimathea
12.     Beneath Alrischa
13.     Chevaliers De Sangreal
14.     Kyrie For The Magdalene

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=72062&labelid=41557

Now let's end this.

Now where does it say that none of those songs are gnr songs? Not saying they are on it but it doesnt give the artist ofthe songs.

Some movies have a score.. and a soundtrack.

But, I tend to believe there won't be a track from gnr on either.

Well, judging from that, maybe its #10 or #11.  Axl loves to collect crosses and 11 has Rose in it.  Eh, I'm just chewin' the fat, I hope no one takes this seriously.

Shit, leave it to Axl to decide half way through the mastering that something could've turned out better, thus they head back into the studio to "fix a few things" and 3 more years pass with us scratching our heads.

...inside information... :hihi:

rock n' roll

I thought the music for DaVinci Code was postponed until July?

Or am I thinking of a different movie?

It wasnt even being mastered man.

It's never reached the mastering stage.

ping

You'd have to assume that with the whole band together for the first time since late 02 that they would be jamming most the new catalog and deciding which 12-15 songs they want to appear on Chinese Democracy. Although, I assume most of the tracklisting responsibility falls into Axl's lap, I'm sure he takes into consideration what other band members think about the work.

promising,  but more of the same really

yeah, I wouldn't believe it even if Axl's ass said it.  It has to come from his MOUTH : ok:

Mr. Intensity,

What's your sense on the guitarist situation? Robin and Richard alone or have they added a third?

If CD is to be released in September, how about this scenario ... Since GNR is playing 18 shows in Europe, they play mainly old songs with some songs they didn't play in 2002 like Civil War and Coma, they also play CD, The blues, and Madagascar, and they play one new song a show.  By the end of the tour they will have unvieled 18 new songs that are supposed to be on CD.  Then come September we already have our singles, get CD, then for the 06 US tour, the play mainly new stuff with the old classics.

No, they have to play new stuff in Europe - didnt one of the press releases (Download?) state that he would be performing CD?

that would make for the best album year ever! :o
chinese democracy and a new dylan album in the same fall :drool:
let's hope it's true!

Since Better, IRS, CITR And TWAT were leaked I am assuming for new songs they will play CD, Madagascar, the blues, TWAT, IRS, CITR and better. They could even add in the first single if t hey wanted.

How can anyone be happy that Richard said, " hopefully September"? ?That sucks. ? That means no CD this summer, it means GN'R will do the same set, and if all goes wrong( which there is always a chance) the album will be delayed again. ?I think this is horrible news. ?I don't see how they can tour without something new out. ?I think it is dumb. ?I hope someong from the band reads this and smacks whoever is in charge. ? :rant:

go away and never return.

FUCKIN KOOL AS HELL !
BRING IT ON ''''''

its isnt dumb.. its good news that "hopefully september" we will have the CD.... Its good to hear the band is rehearsing and sounding good.... It doesnt mean they will do the same set.. where the hell did u get that from Richards email??? or you just pulled it from your ass.... you dont see how they can tour without something new out??????????? they did in 2002... who says there wont be anyting new out?? Axl said you will hear new music this year... maybe you will have a single, or a download or new songs at the shows... Quit crying like a little bitch...

I've never seen someone post before that knows so much about nothing.  Go fuck a rope.

LMFAO

You know so far, Richards emails have been more accurate then anything Tommy ever said from 02-04.  Richard sort of become the new mediator between gnr and the fans.  i mean he was saying they would probably tour in 06 back in the middle of 05 and we were like this is bullshit, so if he's hinting at CD coming out in september and a US tour, we should still take it with a grain of salt, but so far hes been fairly accurate with what he says.

Deja vu..........1991

You Could Be Mine debuts on Terminator 2 in May or so of 1991.

GNR start a spring/summer tour then release UYI's in Sept. 1991.

YCBM did not make any soundtrack because I'm sure I would have bought it just like I bought that Romanian cd in 1990 that included Civil War.

As far as new songs being played during the pre-US tour shows, they can play 6 "new" songs and get by until the Sept. release.

The crowd wil be familiar with CD, Blues, Mads and will go balistic when Guns plays IRS, TWAT.....Better and maybe even one or two songs that we have not heard yet.

I doubt we'll hear CITR as Axl said that will be on the second cd.........but even that song may make it to the first cd because of the favorable response from diehards.

Thanks dave......very fitting the relentlessly positive poster gets the inside info first. ?Think about it man......nearly 6,000 pro new-GNR posts.........well done!

Yeah, it was great Dave got that reply first.. he's been here as long or longer than I have I believe.  :smoking:

Did you email Richard as well?? what did he tell you?

My sense tells me they will add a third, but I have no fucking clue who. :peace: That imformation is being held very LOW to the ground.

I heard it was the guitarist from Corrosion of Conformity...

I think the most important part of "hopefully starting in Sept." is "hopefully." ?Far from a firm release date, but believe me, I'll take it. ?I'm all about hope.

It could be earlier too

Holly shit!!! Optomisim!!!! I havent seen any posts with any optomisim on a GnR board for years!!! but quite true! maybe it will be out before that!!!

Good stuff. Beats the shit out of the automatic replies  :)

I'm happy alot of you are excited about this but I rationalize more with the posters who are skeptical about this. ?First of all, September doesn't mean jack as a timetable. ?The only timetable this band has right now is their confirmed tour. ?Without something set in stone (single, release date) by June 1st, I don't think there are any real pressing needs to get CD out by 2006. ?

And as many have said in other threads, why wait 15 years for your album to release, only to play all the new songs at a live concert for people to download shitty bootlegs 4 months before? ?This isn't going to happen, as it already would have taken place in 2002 (besides the four new songs). ?So the poster assuming that it is going to be the same old setlist, well, imo he is dead on folks, no need to bash him (Axlfreek and Leesix) for his opinion that makes sense, and has a prior 2002 setlist to back his claim. ?

I posted a few times before what I was told..

"Chinese Democracy will not have a set in stone release date months before the release. The mastering, production and distribution will take place very quickly in an effort to prevent more leaks. The cd will sort of arrive on your doorstep, with nothing more than 1-3 weeks notice of it release."

You can believe me or not, but that's what I was told.. and it makes perfect sense.

We dont know what the timetable is and for you to say that "The only timetable this band has right now is their confirmed tour." is a load of rubbish! we dont know what the timetable is and for Richard to give a month and talk about a US tour is great!! ?Maybe that is part of thier timetable, it makes sense...

What makes you think that all the "new" songs from 2002 or the leaks are going to be on CD??? ?He could put out an album with 13 songs you have never heard before... ?So playing those songs wouldnt "give the album away" or whatever... ?

those songs and demos are old news... he wont play the same setlist and im sure he has a timetable other than the europe concerts......

thanks for sharing the reply dave : ok:

less than 2 months till Dublin 8)

Why dont you just fucking tell us who your sources are...and we'll believe you if we want to.

You are a breath of fresh air....its a realistic unemotional response to the info given. No one has been given anything more than a tourdate and a hopeful email response by Fortus. If that email did not have his name attached to it , it could have sounded like a 1000 different rumours we've already heard.

Regarding people such as leesixxrose who can only respond by bashing others....he is obviously a weak and demoralized individual. He can only feel strong behind the safety of a computer. He is a sad pussy fart stain in society...desperatly wanting to be liked but knowing in his heart he will always be despised.

dude stfu it doesnt matter who his source is, just leak the mixed tracks.

Thanks for sharing this little tidbit.. But fuck this, I give up, here's my membership. I've waited for a decent album since 1991, and I don't think spring of 2006 is asking too much. The Fall?? The Fall? ?Sorry, that's pretty much the worst news I've heard all day. That sucks. What are you people getting so excited about. Have you ever seen the SNL skit on Star Trek fans being beserk... "For God's sake get a hold of yourselves."

 I'm not trying to be a typical HGTHH "hater" but I quit. Thanks, it's a great site, but this "band" blows, and feel free to question me, just remember I gave him a 2nd chance after he failed to show up in Philly. If CD comes out, I'm cool with it. If not for some time, I have afew of the leaked tracks, not even all of them but it's enough. ?I can't wait for the VR album, I think it comes out in June. Go Slash!! :-)

:crying: you yelled at me...You do have a point though : ok:

yeah i did? ;D But you dooo have the mixed tracks right? :o

The timeline makes sense to me.

Which probable means that it will not happen.



We will proable be close to September . Then we will hear about it being pushed back till Nov/Dec,then it will be march 2007 and on and on .

Impossible.  Mastering could take weeks itself.  You either have no sources or they don't know what they're talking about.

Where did I say mastering would take 1-2 days? Where did I say Axl would announce a release date BEFORE it went into mastering? Key point is the process will all be done swiftly. The cd isn't going to be mastered, then mass produced, then have an announcement come, you'll get C.D two months from now.... why do I have to spell everything I say out for people.

Mastering is not a long process.

I know, Tool mastered a cd in 1 day if I am correct.... but I mean the guy is going along the lines that I stated the mastering, production, and distribution would take 3 weeks. I DID NOT SAY THAT.

True ,but this is GN'R we are talking about.

Fortus is Axl's slave ?he doesn't know anything about the release of the album. ?I bet you he doesn't even know what songs are on the album. I'll go one step further and say he hasn't heard all of the songs yet. ? He is not GNR he is a hired gun ? he is nothing. ?When are you fools going to stop believing shit. ? Chinese Democracy will not be released this yr and ?may not even be released next yr. ? We are being punked by Axl. ?This is the biggest punk job ?in the history of mankind. ?Axl makes Ashton Kutcher's punk jobs look amateur in comparison. ? ? ? ? ? ?QUIT BEING SUCKERS



 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

I know you didn't say that. I wanted to mention the length of time it takes to master because many here think it would take an enormous amount of time, which it should not. Maybe it's because of how long Axl takes to do everything else, I don't know.

Let's put it this way. If you hear it's being mastered (and it's true), it's a good thing.

Richard is the most fan friendly "hired gun" as you may like to call him. If he stated that then he obviously believes it to be true, I'd have to agree though that you are probably correct that he doesn't know the C.D tracklisting yet.. because I don't think even Axl has decided thus far....

I just hope i dont get him in trouble by posting this info

Can't blame him for being excited, he probably remembered you from mailing them those songs, so he figured he'd choose you to give a reply too!!! : ok:

Sorry, but it confirms no such thing.  Slash is awesome, but along with playing lead he can't also play rhythm and drums at the same time.  All the reunion talk centered around Slash replacing Bucket and Duff replacing Stinson.  Fortus, Brain, and Finck were pretty much always assumed to still be in the band.  Out of all of those guys, Fortus' job would likely be the most secure.

So Fortus confirming that the band is in rehearsals does not rule out a reunion...it plain and simple just means that he's in the band and that he is rehearsing with them.  Who exactly he's rehearsing with is unclear at this point.  To date there has been no smoking gun that proves a reunion isn't going to happen.  To those who just know it won't, I challenge you to prove it.  You can't.

I'm not saying that it will happen, I just don't make bold claims either way when I have no way of knowing for certain.  I do know one thing, there have been a lot of things pointing to a reunion.  Maybe they are coincidences, maybe not.  I usually don't believe in coincidences, at least not when they become frequent.

Anyways, it just seems like you're trying too hard to prove you're an insider.  Every post you make is about justifying something you said before.  I think this is why you take so much shit.

Just for good measure I'll say it one last time...

Slash and Duff are not in the current incarnation of Guns N Roses, nor will they be playing on the impending tour.

Mr Intensity no1 cares about your views on every rumor. We all know the deal around here. Only some people believe every rumor that comes down the pipeline. Even so, we dont need you telling us whats true and not true. Its annoying. You act like you know something. You dont. Your a wanna be. And its getting old. So can you please stop?

So in other words you have no proof one way or the other.

Is there even something you can offer us that would qualify as circumstantial evidence?  Because there is plenty that goes the other way.

I admit to not being around here for very long, so I haven't read your earlier posts on this matter.  I hope they had more meat to them than the one I quoted.

Slash said he has not quit VR. Gnr management said the rumors were not true. Fortrus said the band is rehearsing (he is talking about the 2002 band minus BH not with slash and duff).

what more proof do you need

Dave, thank you for posting that mail. It's awesome. I really really hope that September will be the month and I'm really happy for the American fans that there is talk about an American tour.

Mr. Intensity, please start a thread where people can bash you. I really don't care about your opinions or 'inside information' as long as you cannot provide a reliable source. And it's annoying that this good news is overshadowed by your 'I told you so', 'this is exactly what I was told' comments, without really saying anything we don't already know or could have guessed for ourselves. So, please do me a favor and fuck off.

Be prepared to wait..........

Naw.....really?

twiddling my thumbs now.

Hey SLCPunk...George Bush is a nigger!

when does davinci code come out anyway?

May 19th.

They keep living the dream! hoping for a reunion... you shouldnt have even posted the email...

Dude your right!!!! do we know each other? how do you know me so well??? do we drink together???

I thought they weren't allowed to speak about when cd would come out.. Are the emails to richard not supposed to be about when cd comes out?  I don't know what ot believe anymore ,tour starts in may album comes out in september.. Why aren't they even promoting the album early to draw more fans for the shows (unless they all sold out) or at least putting out a single so you at least have hype and know a tracks..?

Da Vinci No No-de     
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Monday, 10 April 2006 
The Da Vinci soundtrack is lining up to be an all-classical affair, with no sign of Guns N'Roses.

James Dooley, who appears on the soundtrack, thought we we're fooling with him when we asked him if Guns N'Roses had any chance of appearing on the soundtrack.

The only non-classical piece of music in the film is A-ha's 'Celice' which does not appear on the soundtrack.

sp1at.com

Your shallow....your not hard to figure out. Anyone who reads your posts can quickly realize you live a hollow life.

If CD is going to be released in september, they could easily release a single in june... : ok:

Dave.. Thanks for posting that!  : ok:

Regarding the discussion you all are into, I dont know what to belive, who's in the band, Slash Duff reunion, release date of C.D. all that stuff, I have decided to do the most logical: Stop speculating, and just wait for a official press release, or just go to the fucking concert and see myself who is playing with Axl, and who's not. It's actually pretty simple...   ::)

Thanks again!! Coz were all here to discuss me!

September still feels like a horribly long way off to me. A finished version of one of the leaked tracks should be released as a single ASAP, or even all of them as an EP. I continue to listen to all four tracks regulalry and will surely be tired of them by the time CD comes out.

true, but easily never seems to happen. Once rio happens all questions should be answered

No way! November is the month  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 :drool:

i can't fuckin wait till rio and hear the fucking maniac speak!!!!

we just want a little bit of hope!!! everything i here i take with a pinch of salt until there is some sort of official announcement!

45 days man.... 45 freakin days.... I just keep hoping i dont log on during the next month and see that hes cancelled again... he did that in 04 and that sucked big time.

thanks for posting that mail dave : ok:

the first news after a long downtime......

and mr. intensity, please stop forcing your insider position on us. it`s cool if you have some sources, but it`s not about that. you`re acting like a smartass here and most people don`t like that. nobody cares if your predictions were/are right or not. basically, most people here could`ve guessed the same things as you did.....

my impression is, that with each post you do, you`re trying to prove that you know more than other people....

In the email he mention the word "HOPEFULLY" and "HOPE"
So this can't be 100% confirm.

I do wish this gonna happen but I think the management should issue a press release SOON

i'm guessing if all goes well with the european tour, an announcement and a single will be released in august. the record label needs some certainty regarding this band's ability to tour and promote the album.

surely the amount of money they have pumped into this they will release it regardless of axl being able to complete a tour.

For the life of me, how is this good news? Seriously, Fortus has given timeframes before and nothing has happened. What a joke....an ongoing dog chases it's tail game. Always sometime far off. Touring again without an album is an utter joke. I don't care if the tour starts in Greenland....they need a record. So when this Euro tour implodes like the last big jaunt they went on.....back to the drawing board. This Euro tour just smells like a big cash grab. Axl had 3 and a half years to finish 12-13 songs and still hasn't done it.  :rant: :rant:

this is the worst news i've heard all year. touring without an album is such a great idea.  :crying:

Well, at least it means something. It means that we won't have to wait for another year or so to have the CD. At least, not the 1st one anyway  ::)

I do think it would be wiser to release the album in June or early July.

Let the album sink in over in the US whilst the tickets are on sale. At least that way maybe people will be wanting to see the new Guns and Roses due to their "debut" album rather than going to see Axl because he's Axl.

unless it comes from Axl I don't want to hear anthing b/c they've been making comments like this for a few years now

A few years? They have been talking about a release date or timeframe for 7-8 years. Be it Doug Goldstein, Axl, or any of the other people involved. Unbelievable. :(

Given the Da Vinci Code soundtrack track listing is now "out there"...and it looks to be exclusively the Zimmer score, that rumor appears to be unlikely, at this point.

Oh, and demos will never be mastered.  Finished tracks will be, but not demos.....

I think he meant over the next decades  :hihi:


Anyway, I just hope TWAT and The Blues are in the first record.

Right, I'm talking about when it IS mastered.

See?

Exactly.  I have seen "hopefully" since 96.  I'm sure Axl will do some interviews when the European tour starts.  Then again. Axl was saying "hopefully" when doing interviews the last time he toured.  I'm not trying to be negative, But unfortunatley these statements about CD is the "circle of life" in the GNR world.

Anyone remember their touring just prior to the release of UYI? ?Anyone remember the set lists?

Here's a sample from June 5th of '91 (courtesy of gnrontour.com):

set: Nightrain, Mr. Brownstone, Bad Obsession, Welcome To The Jungle, Double Talkin' Jive, Dust N' Bones, Don't Cry, Civil War, I Was Only Joking [Intro] / Patience, Drum Solo, Guitar Solo, Godfather Theme, Rocket Queen, Pretty Tied Up, November Rain, 14 Years, You Could Be Mine, Only Women Bleed [Intro] / Knockin' On Heaven's Door, Live And Let Die, Estranged, Bad Time [Intro] / Sweet Child O' Mine, Paradise City

Count the number of songs from the UYI albums in there. ?I get 12. ?Out of 30 tracks, granted, for the UYI albums.

Now, keep in mind, Axl has said he has almost 3 full albums worth of material....so we may actually get to hear SOME stuff from albums 2 and 3 in the set list mix (ya never know).

My point is that GnR has a history of playing lots of new material prior to releasing the album which it will appear on. ?

Keep in mind that was before the internet.  Alot of bands refrain form trying out new tunes at concerts these days due to bootlegs spreading all over due to the internet. 

Good point Thorazine. Also, we don't know the tracklist for the album. TWAT, BETTER, IRS, CITR, The Blues, Maddy, CD, etc may not be on the first album. We have no idea right now what will be on the record.

These are the type of posts which will influence me to keep saying "I told you so." :peace:

I think we'll all be here salivating at the mouth for someone to post the RIR setlist if they don't have Rock N Rio available on pay per view in our local areas.  : ok:

One would think Axl is going to make some type of comment on C.D and the status of the record.

I still think we'll get a finalized press release once all the Europe dates have been scheduled too, although I'm not sure the status of C.D will be addressed in it.

I'm going all alone to RIR now :crying:
Most of my friends considering going on the 27are still holding for official news before they buy RIR tickets, and most of them don't want to ear "GunsNRoses the cover band of GunsNRoses", as a friend of mine calls it, everybody wants new music and not even the leaks played live will do. I don't know how's the ticket sales going but they risk a half ?empty concert world televised, in the opening of the tour if theres nothing new to hope for.
In terms of rock RIR it's probably the most poor summer musical fest's in Portugal this year and the most expensive one. With the exception of "GNR yes we're still fans, call us crazy", i don't know one single person chosing that day of the event.
To me this news from ?Fortus, are very sad, altought i'm thankfull someone is talking.

If they play IRS, Better, TWAT, CITR, The Blues, Madagascar, CD and Rhiad, there would be already 8 "new" songs. Maybe an extra couple of new songs we don't know yet... It's enough to make a great show, with a setlist with both new and classic material. Maybe they'll play the single too (wich it would be a very good way to start promoting the album).

Mr. Itensity, let me say something: I was told that they will play The Blues. Yeah, I'm an insider now. I'll say "I told you so" later because everything I'll say it will turn out to be true. :hihi:

Everyone loves "I told you so" posts. No wonder your so popular round here.  :rofl:

Dude, its rock n rio.. that festival is going to be jam packed and NO MATTER WHAT line up Axl puts up on that stage the crowd is going to go fucking crazy when it hears the opening chords to "Welcome to the Jungle."

Ever wonder why you were banned a few years ago? A hint: your act got boring and annoying.




/jarmo

My acts never consisted of anything but replying to people who start stuff with me... find me one post where I've been impolite to someone without being provoked?

Come on, it's your "attitude" like I told you in a PM.

"Look at me, I knew about this before you did, I told you so!  :peace: " or "I heard so and so leaked, did you hear this rumor? Send me the tracks!  :peace:".

How many times do we need to hear that? Once was fine... Then the board went down and once it came back, you kept going on and on about the same stuff.... Time to move on?




/jarmo

Well, which would you prefer Jarmo... that I take the criticism, then when something is posted to prove what I originally stated I simply say "look, I told you so." Or would you prefer I use foul language and just bash the people who doubted me? I have never went into anyones thread and tried to get a rise out of them. If it is my behavior that annoys someone, then when they bash me, I just behave the same way in order to annoy them further. I find it hilarious that one member in particular stalks my email address, to know that I have ruined someone's day that much is quite comical. I have never stooped that low to online stalk someone. Yet, I am being threatened to be banned? Doesn't make sense.

you don`t get it. we neither need, nor want people like you on this board!!

edit: i forgot to say one thing: get a life!!

Back on topic.  : ok:


September seems too far away to "worry" about. I'm just looking forward to May at the moment.  ;D




/jarmo

Take the hint Intensity.  You've never once provided us with something that would remotely verify you as an insider.  You broadcast common sense statements and when it's for certain that they're true, you take credit as an insider.  Every other post of yours is about how great you are or how you knew this forever.  In other words, knock your campaign of self-importance off before the mods do it for you.

I think the picture will be A LOT clearer in May as well, which is why I am looking forward to it. By then we'll have a full tour schedule, an idea of what songs will be played on the tour, we'll know who the new 3rd guitarest is, and hopefully we'll have more concrete info on the tracklisting/status of Chinese Democracy. ?:yes:

I can't get rid of this "nasty" feeling that you know a tiny bit more than we do.......especially since the last "downtime" we got leaks.....I was honestly expecting something this time.......

i don`t care about a US tour by the way :hihi:

 but CD in september isn`t such a great idea imo. june/july would be much better...

it makes this tour look like a joke...  hopefully they`ll hurry up to get a single out there in june soon after rio. but since it`s gnr/axl i won`t bet my ass on it :peace:

perhaps a september release was the plan from the beginning. i still believe a two show reunion was planned a while ago. according to that theory, they would`ve released GH2 in march/june and CD in september.....

I would be happy with a new single in may before the tour to get the ball rolling for the album in sept

It just seems like everyone is scared to give an actual date or realistic timetable.. I'm not talking an email from a member, I mean merck or axl rose.. Like saying something not cryptic just fact..

I don't think it was ever in any doubt that they would play The Blues since Axl said its his favourite and it has the lionshare of votes for favourite new guns song on the message boards.

I wonder how/if the song has evolved.

P.S Mr. Intensity, I've beaten you to it. I've heard that the setlist includes "Set Me Free", "Slither" and "Fall To Pieces". You've heard it here first. Watch this space.

i said "soon after rio" in my last post, but i fully agree with you. we need a single before rio : ok:

maybe richard said september, although june is planned at the moment :hihi:

The fact is no one wants to commit to the album's release date.... I just find that odd tour coming a past tour came n went... Not just one thing like cd is definetly coming at this time...

In  gnr nothing is set in stone, things change.

I'm just pissed because Sept. is so damn far away! haha... well it's better than waiting for years I guess.

I still think anything is possible. There is such a thing as disinformation.

Yeah, if you think logical...

Take the S and the E and P from september and you'll have T, and what comes after T?
U...which is pronounced in a similar way as the start if the word "June"

Haha ;D

just sounds like reasons to say oh we never said cd was coming out..

Both times the server was acting up....

If you were hoping for something other than the issues being fixed, then you were hoping for too much.



/jarmo

"Stalking"? That's amusing. Try googling. Maybe took 5 seconds out of my day.  : ok:

PM me and I'll tell you what I do for a living. Then we'll see if you ruined my day or whether I've got more important things to do.

This is a hobby for me, this whole GnR forum thing, it seems very important to you. Although obviously you are going to use a 5 second googling of your email address (which is part of your profile) as proof that I take it too seriously.  :rofl:

Oh and for the record, you being banned makes perfect sense to me.  :hihi:

Hahah, I know.....sort of tongue in cheek...... "last time the server went down we got leaks, what will we get this time?"

And I'm really happy the board is up and running again since Mygnr got old real quickly.  : ok:

a set list full of oldies might still be well worth the concert fee but like your friends I don't see it would be worth the  expenses and time for air travel. I'm wavering.

But this letter doesn't say they are not playing new tunes, does it? ???
just some people here are assuming so.


thanks for sharing dave.

Sorry, I forgot to put the sarcasm there.

Oops, it happened again! ;D

Yeah, but the fact is you "cared" enough to search a google database for my email address or posting activity from that name. Then you post that screen shot when you had no clue I was actually ridiculing the guy who owned that site.. me and a group of others who post at another site www.facethejury.com went there often and ridiculed him, primarily because he was a pedophile who set up a FTP site to trade girls nudes pics who were ftj posters that he was too much of a douche to obtain himself, he had to hack photobuckets. I called all people on that site who were mods "The Nude Nazi Army." Anyway, this is a hobby for me too bro, I am at work as well chief. : ok: ?Never once have I been concerned enough over a poster to check their profile information or even google search to look and see if they post on other forums.. to me, you sound kind of creepy. You're definitely a man who like to take his internet seriously it seems.

My guess is this is a pic of you after you found out I posted on another site and found info you were going to try to use to make me look bad.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/thegreatm00se/Internet_business.jpg)

I don't believe anything about "Chinese Democracy" until it is safely playing in my home stereo.

And you didn't "care"? Cos this post defending yourself certainly took you longer than me googling your name did. My almost 300 posts in 18 months make it pretty clear I take this stuff seriously, huh?? : ok: And with regard to checking your profile info, it's something I naturally do due to the nature of my job, but lets not talk serious stuff, you seem more suited to name calling and insult hurling. But hey we can round in circles doing this petty crap all day if you want. I gotta be honest with you, you're getting boring.

Anyway, if you wanna try and claim some sort of victory on the basis that I take this stuff too seriously then go ahead, that's not to say I'm not gonna stop calling you every time you act like a ****. The fact that at least 80% of this forum wants you banned speaks for itself. I got better things to do with my time then argue with an idiot who seems to have made up some alter ego that gains him that extra attention he needs to get through his life.? :rofl:

Jarmo, I've no doubt you'll do the decent thing, I'm just surprised it has taken you this long. What happened to the Nazi moderating team that people used to go crazy at?? :hihi:

The Guy in the picture looks like Lukas Haas.

I know gigger.

He's no Lukas Haas.

:)

Sorry, off topic, I know.  But I couldn't resist.

Phew! :rofl:

Well, I assured Jarmo I wouldn't lash out at anyone, nor bother anyone unless I was provoked, and I haven't. I'd assume he as well as other posters equates your online stalking to be as bad as me being "annoying." Believe it or not chief, there are at least 4-5 people here I care enough to im info to and they know I'm not full of shit. I'll admit I have purposely been annoying at times, but I have never lied to this board about anything. Can we both agree to refrain from insults now and let this topic remain open since Davegnfnr2k started it and it has relevant info in it.

Thanks.

I have an idea.......

Why don't we give Axl, Merck & co. the benefit of the doubt this time. ?2006 has been GNR packed thus far compared to yesteryears.

The release of CD, imo, will be unprecedented.

We'll probably hear about Septmeber from here on out. ?Then out of nowhere, the cd will be available on itunes where the market has shifted. ?Everyone has them....especially those paying the money these days for new music......the kids. ?Well actually their parents. ?Teens today are getting Itunes gift cards for all gift giving occassions. ?

They spend their time downloading and loading their their ipods as much as they chat on IM. ?Actually they download as they chat on IM. ?CONSTANTLY!!!

I see CD just popping up unadvertised on itunes. ?Then an announcement fo the release of the actual cd merely weeks in advance. ?I can even see a release on the Friday before the set-date.

Who here thinks Axl wants his hard work pirated?? ?Who here thinks Axl will want the company to go out of their way to avoid thieves taking advantage of the most anticipated record in music history??

As far as Richard's info...my guess is that it comes from the tiem the band has spent together recently while rehearsing. ?It makes sense that Axl sat everybody down and said, "here's the plan"......."by Septemebr at the latest".

I'm guessing Axl knows these guys are ready and probably won't stick by any longer if 2006 becomes another missed oppurtunity.

Have I not made it perfectly clear yet? I don't just think you are full of shit, I know you are full of shit - and that was before any googling went on.? :rofl:

For the record, I haven't insulted anyone... when I called you an idiot I was simply stating facts.  : ok:

Yeah, but I could disprove you at ANY time I please and eventually I will. Let's just refrain from public bashing as to respect Jarmo's board. I just tried to talk sense with you, but again you're trying to start a flame war. You're being immature about the whole thing actually dude. When I am immature, it's an act, today your immaturity is genuine.

I want to give a congrats to Mr Intensity and Gigger for successfully throwing this thread into a personal pissing contest.? take a bow guys, or PM perhaps?

Back on topic:
I hope the news is true, although we had so many delays and alleged release dates that one has to be skeptical. But if it is true, I am definitely going to get great seats!

And notice Richard said "hopefully in September." How many previous Sept. deadlines have come and gone?

I wait with bated breath. ?:rofl:

*Thorazine* - My sincerest apologies although I do think every avenue has been exhausted in the 10+ page discussion of this email. ?::)

Hey Nostradamus!
Its not that hard to figure out GNR are playing together no! They are going on a tour soon. Did u know that?
And that a US tour is possible for September, is not that hard to figure out eather! So..
Just calm down. Stop talking about yourself all the time... We only get the real info when it is real, and that is from
GNR camp itself. Id ont care if your Brains grandmother, or Richards dentist! GNR have a plan, and we dont need to
know what it is, before a good source tells us...

I'm just fucking with you guys Gigger. : ok:  I know in Sp1at land you would of locked this thread the minute someone veered off-topic.  You are the lock king, you can do anything.

Damn now I'm off-topic. :)

The record company spent $13M+ on this records but it won't insist on a major promotion? ?I think they need to; all the people I know who loved GNR back in the day, but aren't the fanatics we are, don't seem to know or care much about the new album, tour, etc. ?

And I don't understand how advertising increases the piracy risk.

*Searches for lock button then realises he isn't a mod*  :rant:

That is my line of thinking here too. This is how it has always gone. First we get some spring release rumors. Then summer. Then there is always a september rumor. Then there is one for November. Then of course there is the early in the new year one....and around and around we go. Its been going on every year since Oh My God was released.

So fucking lame.

Yeah, but don't the leaks, the rehearsals, the upcoming tour, and Axl stating 26 tracks are finished at least give you more confidence than ever before in this new band?

"We're working on thirty-two songs, and twenty-six are nearly done," he says. Of those, thirteen are slated for the final album. : ok:

So nearly 2 albums are complete..that's the way i look at it :yes:

That is exactly the way I saw that quote, also.  I think there will be at least two albums done before one album is released.

Ali

I think one album will be released, then at least 10-12 tracks will be slated to appear on the next album, however I am sure Axl+co will at least come up with 3-10 more new songs that they might record after the tour.....

All I can say.

GnR is fucked up going to tour europe without an album to promote.

No, you?re not that fantastic, yet. GnR.
No, we?re not stupid here in Europe.

Yes, we have been waiting for 14 years too.

Are we gonna see a replay of the N.A. tour, but this time in Europe? Probably.

Hmm... notice he says "final album?" ?I don't know why I never thought of it before... what could that mean? ?Could it mean that he's planning to release an album before the album with 13 songs on it? ?Does it mean they're doing 32 songs and are only going to put 13 songs on the album? ?Or, does it mean that I'm over-analyzing things again? ? ???

It's possible that they complete 32 songs....head to Europe and start a 2 to 3 year tour run.

They track 13 songs for CD I & II leaving 6 songs for the 3rd.  They create another 7 songs while out on the road and release CD III on the backend of the tour.

Have some faith man.. you gotta believe they are gonna play The Blues, Maddy, Better, Irs, Twat, and Citr along with maybe a couple select illusion tracks we didnt hear last time. Plus, hopefully you'll get one new track we haven't heard or more.

Have some faith man.. you gotta believe they are gonna play The Blues, Maddy, Better, Irs, Twat, and Citr along with maybe a couple select illusion tracks we didnt hear last time. Plus, hopefully you'll get one new track we haven't heard or more.

 : ok:            <---- irony



Come on, they can?t be serious!

The band is great, but can?t be built like an air-castle........... :nervous:

Like proven in 2002 a tour won't succeed without a new album to promote, end of.

The silence isn't unexplainable..the tour may not be scheduled in its entirety as of yet, the 3rd guitarest may still be getting auditioned during the rehearsals, Merck said we will get a release in due course, I don't think "due course" has arrived if dates are still being scheduled and he can't even give a complete band line up yet.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion and I haven't been able to get any type of confirmation on who the 3rd guitarest is or if they are auditioning anyone. I think that's top secret info at this time.

Stop going off topic. The 3rd guitarist's connection to the rehearsals and tour is too murky and unclear to say. Assuming the band line-up is solid, it's still hard to believe all of the band are making these rehearsals; right now I wouldn't bet on the Europe tour being much more successful than the 02 tour (which had its moments). There's nothing to make me believe you Mr. I, and with a little less negativity GeorgeSteele has a good point.

You don't have to believe me, that was an opinion, it is my guess the band would need to rehearse/audition a 3rd guitarest.. I mean do you think Fortus/Finck is capable of handling all the new solo's Buckethead made or even all the old solo's that Slash did on tracks like you could be mine, its so easy, paradise city, etc...??? I'd have no problem if there wasn't a 3rd guitarest, I just think there is going to be...

It's more than possible to replace BH's stuff with new solos from Fortus or Finck, although admittedly that would probably take away from the songs. I don't think they have time for a third guitarist to come in now, and there aren't many that could play BH's stuff. I'm expecting Finck and Fortus, and that's it.

All I know is that I am ready to buy this album.

I agree. ?Granted that I know nothing about playing guitar, what basis is there for saying Finck/Fortus couldn't handle playing Slash or BH's solos?

i can`t believe those 32 songs are everything axl can come up with 15 years after his last musical release. i think there are probably tons of finished songs/demos/ideas/whatever... out there, but he`s jsut working on that stuff.

as dizzy said in one of his most recent interviews, there is much more out there : ok:

First of all, Fortus did not clarify who he was talking about. ?At least not in what you posted. ?Did he throw out any names? ?Did he say it was the same band? ?No.

Second, I would have to assume that if a reunion was planned they would want to keep it quiet until the right moment. ?So any denials shouldn't come as a surprise and certainly do not squash the possibility. ?Crazily enough, they only strengthen my feeling that it could happen. ?

But they aren't proof either way. ?What would constitute proof to me is to see the band perform without (or with) Slash and Duff. ?Other than that I'm not sure what it would take - a lot of VR shows that conflict with GN'R shows maybe. ?That would be a pretty good indication that a reunion isn't in the cards. ?What I do know is that half-hearted denials to obscure GN'R boards and magazines is simply not strong enough.

I have an old interview of Axl on tape where he was talking about what goes through his mind when he performs a song he wrote, while on stage.  He's thinking of what he was feeling when he wrote it, about the person that inspired it, and where that person is at that time.  He also said that he may have wrote the song(s) up to 9 years before he actually recorded it. 

But I suppose alot of artists do it the same way.  Some singers find scraps of paper in their dresser-drawers with lyrics they wrote years and years ago, touch them up, record them, and BOOM - it's a hit!

Thats why I don't put any merit in articles I've read where someone has claimed to have heard some of Axl's new material and said it sounded "dated".  It can only sound dated if the production is bad.  Doesn't matter how old the lyrics and melodies are.

Here are the facts:

Axl Rose is alive.

He is the singer for Guns N Roses.

Nobody but him knows who is confirmed in the band.

Nobdy knows but him when CD will be released or what stage they are in recording the album.

I dont think there will be a 3rd guitarist.... Axl said that was never the plan... Robin replaced Slash, Robin quit for a time,  Enter BH.... robin wants back in... Axl doesnt want to fire BH..... I belive Robin will handle all the new lead guitar parts....

im sure this is a stupid ?, but how long did gilby have to learn songs when he first joined the band after izzy left

I think one of the band members said in the last year or so it would just be Robin and Richard trading lead spots.

2-3 weeks ...

I belive that too... It makes sense..

I have no problem with that I hope when Buckethead left Robin and Richard really went to town practicing and improving themselves on guitar to make up for Bh's loss, kind of like other guys on sports teams stepping up when a star is injured. Although, I still think we'll see a 3rd guitarest.

but how are they going to just play buckethead's parts.. Wouldn't you get a buckethead type because your guitar playes can't do what he can speed wise

That's why I am hoping they were thinking like "Buckethead left, well that gives me an oppurtunity to step up," and maybe they improved on how fast they can play and what they can do....

i don`t think they did.....   robin is my favourite guitar player, even without being able to shred....   i don?t think he needs that...

and i don`t think richard and robin would improve their playing ability in regards of playing fast to play bucket`s parts....

they`ll either change bucket`s solos, or hire a new guitarist. there`s no way, axl wants richard and robin to copy bucket`s solos : ok:

who the fuck wants the first  album this band does to have great solos that are from a person who isn't even in the band,... 

myself : ok:

well... actually i think robin is way better in playing solos...

bucket did some great solos on the new songs (live tracks +leaks), but nothing exceptional imo. his solos in better and chidem suck by the way.....

i think they re recorded buckets parts... who wants to have a great solo from somone not in the band and who would want to pay royalties to someone for their solo who isnt even in the band...

What? Listen to Nightrain man, Buckethead shreds the fuck out of that solo.. also I think his work in Better is pretty good, it's amazing to see Axl make some of that off the wall stuff Buckethead can do work in a song like that.

I don't know who isplaying what.. I have heard november rain mid solo sucking ass(NA tour) whoever that was... Buckethead was the best player at the vmas by far..  Those leaks are so old it could be paul huge right?

yes he could shread the Nightrain and PC solos... he played them like they have never been played before..

Re-recording any music that BH wrote will not affect royalties due to him. ?If music he wrote is on the album, the man will get paid.

I rather have the people who are going to be in the band be on the album since it's their first one.. it's not like someone left during the tour like izzy did, there was no way around it.. years passed since bucket left why keep him on, this shows they need him..

don`t get me wrong. i love buckethead, but i like robin`s style more......

and as i said before, i don`t like his solos in better. he probably wrote big parts of that song though... ( the song itself is amazing... i just thing that any shredder could`ve palyed his solos. his solos in IRS and twat are amazing though)

which is why i dont think any of his stuff will be on the album

Buckethead owns IRS, that is the only part (his ending solo) of the song I like

Maybe you're right, but if any of the great BH solos that we've heard on the leaks (well, we assume its BH) are cut out of the album, many people here will be very disappointed.

from seeing new gnr live and hearing the boots leaks I think BH is the best player of the batch not to mention how he owned the vmas...  Seems like the others made more mistakes and sloppy play.. That's just my opinion though... I don't see the current duo doing all their parts then breaking out on BH's parts live.. We need cd first to see how the songs are supposed to sound or an idea of what it could sound like live..

I have to agree. Expecting these guys to replicate Slash's solos on the old material... and then turn around and pull off Buckethead's solos on the new material is asking way too fucking much. What is Robin going to do... pretend he's Slash for 50% of the show and then turn around and be Buckethead for the other 50%? When exactly is he going to have time to be Robin??! That's crazy. They hire a third to perform Buckethead's parts OR they scratch Bucket's parts and allow Robin and Richard to come up with their own shit... this Robin and Richard can cover Slash and Bucket's parts and still handle their pre-assigned Richard and Robin roles is undoable in my mind...

Personally, I think we'll see a third guitarist out there... Axl wants this thing to be a "melting pot" of sounds... and part of that must include the modern shredding sound Buckethead brought to the table. I think he'll want that on the album and performed live.

exactly how I feel mayo... Definetly going to see a third player unless you get a tour filled with old tunes :hihi:

I believe Richard's got nothing but good intentions with saying this, and I won't bash him for saying it.
but I still don't believe it, and I won't till we get at least an official releasedate, maybe not even then ;D

I'll only belive it when the album is sitting on the shelves at the store :hihi:

No man. And I will tell you why. Because in the recent past, CD was being mixed. CD was 98% completed. CD was just being touched up. CD was definitely coming out.

...and here we are. Don't mean to be a bummer (shit I hate when people are in here). I am just seeing history repeating. But fuck this sure as shit has been an exciting start for this year with the leaks. Its just starting to feel the same. We have leaks that might be very old demos. We don't know who leaked them. The band/management might not be behind it, and if so, we are still left in limbo. The band is doing some shows without a new album to promote...again. For all we know parts of the album will be rerecorded...again, to include whoeverthefuckwhogivesafuck new lead guitarist that is replacing Buckethead (I will be so fucking pissed if Bucket isn't on the album). 

How do you know its so much different this year? Because Axl has been out more? Well, yea its great seeing him again, but we also saw him out of his house when OMG was released, at the Lakers Finals, superbowls...

I don't know there is another post on her that sums it all up. The reality is starting to set in that this may be another year we won't have a new GN'R album. And that really sucks. I don't want to get my hopes up again. Fact is, we don't know anymore now about the release of the the album then we knew last year, or the year before then...and the year before then.

oh I don't know if I have as much faith as you.
Im not even sure I'll believe it when I slide the cd into the cd-player ;D

buy cd and the thing is empty :D

If this is the case hopefully we'll get some good pics and artwork. And the lyrics 8)

better bring your car to carry the war and peace sized sleeve home :peace:

hahha, Ive actually had that nightmare! :hihi:

i really thought that it was so close when oh my god appeared in the End of Days soundtrack........ now, i don?t know for sure, still waiting for alto get his shit together and put out what he?s been working on all this decade of decadent music out there.

I think it was close... There was some detailed talks in 99.. To think it was close and now 7 years later this is still nothing..

Mysteron once said that it was very close to being released in 2000, but it was pulled in the last minute.

ithink that?s exactly what we all deeply? fear, another retreat? :-[

... and here we are SIX years later...!  :rofl:

What a fucking joke.

yep, that's exacly what I fear.

The troubling thing is that it appears that it could happen at any time..

Im still not convinced of Finck as a lead player. Im sorry, he butchered way too many solos in 2002, and that includes his own ones. One of the boots of Chinese Democracy I have, he butchers his own solo, not just Slashs ones.

Buckethead is almost irreplaceable, much like Slash. There is no way Richard or Robin can "step up" or magically lift their game to the technical level of BH. Mastery of the instument on such a virtuosic level takes many, many years of intense study, and it is a rare few who reach the technical level he is at.

Its pretty clear from the Demos that if Axl wants to continue playing them he is going to need a thrasher as a 3rd guitarist. Listen to Better, Bucket and Robin stand out big time....

Jonx

Loosing him does suck... he was amazing...

that "solo" he playes before PC is crap.. god it sounds like hes just picked up a guitar for the first time and learning how to play it.

From what I heard, it was Geffen that pulled it.

any idea why?

Can't say for sure.

They could have thought it wasn't good enough :-\

I heard that rumor too.. that geffen returned it thinking it wasnt good enought.. that was in2003 tho.

Yeah, I realize that is was a rumor and all...but just based on the songs we heard in 2002 and the leaks, which are several years old.  I have a hard time believing the songs were rejected because they were not good enough to be released by Geffen. 

I strongly doubt that Geffen pulled it, in light of the amount of costs already sunken into the project.   They consistently pressured Axl to release something from 1998 onward and then finally through up their hands and starting releasing the greatest hits stuff.

I think Axl said in an interview that when the band was happy with it the record company wasn't and vice versa.

That rumor was born in blabbermouth from a poster trying to scare and shock everybody, he did such a good job that many people bought it and  spread it like hell.

Thanks for clearing that up. I remember reading it, but it has been a while. You are right, the story was bogus.  :beer:

thanks... guess it was stupid for me to belive..

There are two possibilities:

1. Axl wasn't satisfied with the record in the last 7 years and decided not to release it.

2. Geffen wasn't satisfied with the record in the last 7 years and decided not to release it.


Both are scary.

I don't know if I buy this whole September thing.

I am with you Choking....could be a smokescreen. Do you really think Axl would let the bandmembers tell of proposed release dates at this point?  ???

Agree completely. Why would he be the man to release the date at this point, not to mainstream media but unofficially to a fan. You know he gets hundreds of these "when will" emails per day. It doesn't make sense.

You know every radio station in America is drooling to be the first to break the news... and I am sure they would pitch thier loyalties to be "that" station. A fan has little to offer the band at this point.

"That dog don't hunt....."  ;D

Sometimes I sit and wonder, and probably, it?s like my friends been telling me for the last 8 years.

There won?t be an album of guns n roses...ever again....... :no:

I have been supportive through all of the shit, playing songs on parties, wearing gnr-stuff etc. etc.

But now...sadly, I don?t even feel up to watching the euro-tour.
But I guess that?ll change when I get there, I truly hope....................

Don't think it has ever been as close to being released as right now...


PS. Am i the record holder of most quotes in one post now?  :hihi:

You were until now. ;)

I really think it's getting close now. With all the leaks and the rumors. Axl being away from LA for so long apparently not working on it anymore. I don't think they would go on tour again after the last debacle unless the release was imminent.

i still think: this year or never
Might be that the album will not be out by late may but i still believe in a single ..........

back to the "refusing" part:  If Geffen told GNR to make it better in 2003 than it could be a bad sign :nervous:
But i actuallay don't believe it

Talk about a completely baseless rumor that people keep perpetuating. There is NO evidence from any credible source that Geffen rejected the album-at any time EVER. I am sure they have heard material and will have certainly had an opinion on it, but rejecting the album.....please. ::) ::)

No, we won't release that crap. Now go spend another 20 million fixing it.

I don't believe there would be a record company on earth that would turn down a Guns N Roses album, off the name alone it would go platinum and be a worthwhile investment/product for them to sell.

As I recall it was always up to Axl and a short time after "Oh My God", a producer or someone from Geffen "almost" got him to put out an album at that time.. however I thought it was to be titled "2000 Intentions", I don't know when the name was officialy changed to "Chinese Democracy."

Some producer told Axl that the material recorded prior to 2000 wasn't that good. So thats when Axl scrapped the old album and started new with a more "band" type sound as opposed to the industrial stuff prior.

Thorazine, that producer may have been Bob Ezrin.  I think it might have been him and Alice Cooper was the one who revealed this encounter between Rose and Ezrin.

Ali

Yeah I think you're right Ali.  The up side to this is that the music for CD will have more of a current sound.  in reality, Axl and Co. have been working on this version of CD for 4 or 5 years.  Still a long time, but not the 12 or 13 years that the mass public believes.

Axl didnt scrape much since the songs that were mentioned in the RS article were CD, the blues, TWAT, IRS and CITR.

None of this is the same as Axl delivering a record to Geffen and Geffen rejecting it-that didn't happen or it has never been proven. However, Axl has probably changed his mind on the material a hundred times! Axl is the sole reason we don't have a record. When he decides to wrap it up, I guarantee you the record company will snap it up in a second.

Yeah, but think about it, the versions prior to 2000 we're probably much different than the versions we have heard.  Hell, the versions we heard could be much different then what we will hear on CD.

I agree with that. The only song that was prob still in the same form was CITR since that has brian may and josh freese.
Diz said all the songs have like 4 different versions

I didn't know that Freese was on CITR.  The bootleg version is indeed old.

me neither :-\, anyways, this new sound will require a lot of listening for me to get used to it :confused:

CITR is Axl, Brian May, Tobais, Tommy, Josh Freese (i am not sure about diz or robin).

Dave, please show me evidence of who is exactly playing on CITR or are you just guessing. I know Brian May and Josh Freese but the rest is an absolute guess.  ::)

We?re the only fans in the world that don?t have a clue what?s going on in our favourite band... :confused:

But what the heck, I guess there will be some music this summer!

I think Axl's singing...

where's your evidence?

It?s Lionel Richie singing guys... :hihi:

Cute Yorkie ;) My point is everyone assumes they know who is playing each and every part. We have no idea outside of Axl and some of Buckethead's parts which are way to distinctive to be anyone else. After that, it is up in the air at least for the guitar parts.

you mean our team of experts don't know who's playing what? We have the finest students of new gnr here, they know every riff solo and sound imaginable.. I figured a lot of this stuff was paul huge in the mix if the leaks are that old

It's pretty guaranteed that Tommy is in there given that he's the only bassist that's been in GNR since Duff...

I dunno about Freese. The ending of the song sounds a lot like Brain to me (I mean, the very ending).

The left guitar sounds a bit like Robin too, but I'm not sure. The right one is most likely Paul. Of course, the solos are May's work.

Alright, we know Axl, we know Brian May's part, we know Tommy, and we know Bucket's obvious stuff. The rest is simply a mystery until we have something official. Nobody can be sure who is playing the piano parts, synthesizer effects, and most of the guitar parts. : ok:

well, robin is pretty obvious as well.....

also, freese`s sound is different from brains...

Ummmm, Robin is not obvious at all. Everything people allege to be Robin could EASILY be done by Bucket-same tone and everything. :-\

No way. Of course Bucket could play Robin's parts, but the tone, the feeling, the style and the sound wouldn't be the same. If you play guitar, you would easily recognize Robin or Bucket (and I'm not only talkin' about solos).

I'm not talking just about solos either.  I have been listening to rock and roll for 30 years and can tell the difference in tones and feel. Some of the stuff that people say is Robin is too close to call. You are still "guessing" that you know. It is an educated guess but a guess nonetheless. We're off topic so that is my last post on the subject. :peace:

way off topic