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GNR as sexists / People have accused Guns N? Roses of being sexist, from the lyrics of some of their songs to their onstage horn section of women clad in G-strings.
?Am I sexist? The answer is no,? said Slash. ?We?re talking about stuff everyone goes through. It?s not that we?re trying to make a bold statement. Every song is about experience.
He said the all-female horn section was his idea. ?It?s like seeing a girl driving a Ferrari,? he said. ?It?s something you don?t expect to see, but it?s cool when you do.? He said the horn players wear whatever they want, and they opted for lingerie.

There is the quote I was always talking about for the nasayers that claim it was all Axls idea. Even if you want to claim that it was Axls and slash just gave the idea to make them all females (which its not since slash is admiting it was his idea but? I know slash fans will claim this), this quote still shows that slash loved the idea and was all for it, something that he now claims he always hated the idea and that it was all axls idea.

There is your proof.
So for all the people that claimed I made it up or was lying. You can apoligize now.  :peace:

nice find man... awesome..

now we know slash saw the light which is axls way in terms of music.. at least for a little while.. lol

The article finally got put back online. I just want to see what all the people that claim slash never said this have to say now.

Man they wont say anything.. notice how just you and me posted? aha thats how people MIGHT feel if Slash does comeback...

Nice work, now what about the back up singers?

Who's idiotic idea was that and why the hell did the rest of the band ever agree to it?

Anyone?

not gonna lie they made some somgs pretty good live.. watch the DVD's UYI tour in Japan i beleive... Knockin on Heavens door... Tracy.. and Roberta.. lol

Id venture a guess to say the all-girl idea was his once Axl had decided a horn-section would be happening.

Slash was opposed to Dizzy joining at first, why would he encourage that?

Ive read this quote before and never stated it didnt exist, I think context is what is important here

Spin it anyway you like, slash didnt state it was axls idea for the horn section and I (slash) said they should be all females, he states it was my (slash) idea for the all female horn section but either way slash states he never liked the horn section and never wanted it yet in this interview he was all for it and admitted it was his idea.

So this is just other example of slash lying and trying to change history of what really happened.

Still doesn't prove anything, the writer says it was Slash's idea for the "all-girl horn players", not the idea for horn players in general.

As far as I always read, it was Axl's idea for the additional musicians, Slash just assembled them.
Besides, what red-blooded male would admit to having a problem with chicks performing in their lingerie? :hihi:

How is that lying?
He said he doesn't like the Horns so he thought of the idea of making it an All-Girl horn section. He took something he didn't like and got some benefit out of it.

I guess some people would assume the women were coached into wearing lingerie. I always wondered about that too. Now it seems clear that they wanted to wear it.

Thanks for the article, dave-gnfnr2k.

You are having your anti-Slash trip again, right? When HTGTH was down I visited other meassage boards and I saw that you were on this horn section again. Anyway, the quote doesn't prove anything. Axl wanted a horn section, and then Slash had the idea to sign an all female horn section. Have you noticed that Slash talks about having a girl section in the band and not about having a horn section in the band?

Actually if you have read interviews, Axl stated in one of them that the whole idea for the horn section was Slash's idea. And then Slash never disputed the claim. This was back in 1992. So it looks as though it was his idea. The only time he has disputed it was after he left Guns and when it got looked at as being bloated and not necessary, like in the behind the music.

and in vh1 behind the music, slash says that whole thing was rather axl's idea, which nobody on the band really wanted.. what a fuckin douche

Um no, I came across one of the quotes where slash said it was his idea and decided to post it to show the people that doubted slash ever said it. And now that I have found one of the quotes the same people are still disputing that it was slashs idea even though slash is saying it was his idea right here. I find it funny you and some others cant admit you were wrong. Oh well like I said when I could not find it, even if I found it back then you guys would still deny it.

slash comes out and says the horn section was his idea and you still cannot admit it, why is that? Axl even stated in another interview it was Slashs idea and that interiview was around the same time as this interview.

Here it is, read it and weep:

DEL: Now that we've taken care of that, what about the flipside of the coin: the new guys, especially guitarist Gilby Clarke?

AXL: Gilby is awesome, and a pleasure to be around. He works the stage and the crowd really well. Also, he helps give us a sense of rock 'n' roll normalcy - if there is such thing. Gilby has a way of understanding and dealing with situations that makes the whole trip more tolerable. His insights from being on the outside of GN'R helps us. He has his opinions of what's going on with us, and it helps us get a different perspective, ' cause Slash, Duff and myself have been in GN'R for so long and are so close to it that sometimes we don't see things like other people would. Every now and then he'll say something to me, and I'll go, "Wow, I didn't see it that way." He's been putting himself through his own rock-and-roll education with his other groups for years. Now he's a part of Guns N' Roses.

DEL: Is he a "member" of Guns N' Roses?

AXL: This "member" thing is quite interesting, I read in an interview where Matt [Sorum, drummer] said that if he didn't get made a member, he wasn't going to be in Guns N' Roses. The truth of the matter is, Matt's a member of GN'R, but it doesn't really mean anything. It's kind of like a clubhouse/gang thing. We're all members of this gang. What it boils down to is, whose yard is the tree house in? Matt's a member of GN'R, and his opinions are taken into consideration. As far as that's concerned, Gilby is a member too, Dizzy is a member of the band. With all the background singers, horn players, keyboardists - we look at it like we're all Guns N' Roses. But the bottom line is, the business is basically run by Slash and myself. Then we run whatever it is we're discussing by Duff and see if he's cool with it. Guns N' Roses is basically Slash, Duff, Doug Goldstein and myself, but there's a lot of other people involved that are a part of our lives and a part of our family.

DEL: Do you think Matt's gonna be pissed when he reads this?

AXL: It would be nice if he wasn't. I love everybody in this band. It's kicking ass and feels really warm and really cool onstage. At this point it's the 12 of us that get onstage and f?!king go all out.

DEL: There's 12 of you?

AXL: There's Teddy, there's Dizzy, there's Roberta, Tracy, Lisa, CeCe, Anne, Gilby, Matt, Duff, Slash and me. Slash put this new band together, did all of the groundwork. He did such an amazing job that I just can't believe it really happened. I'm glad to be a part of it. It's a pretty huge thing, and we might even add some dancers, like we used to have back in the old Troubadour days. It's something we've considered.

I remember reading somewhere that Slash wanted to make the live shows more like The Rolling Stones', with all the horns and backup singers.

Anyone have that article anywhere?

That just shows that Slash found the members of the all girl horn section...
Find me a quote with a reliable source in which Slash says "it was my idea to have horn section" and I'll believe you.

fuck it ,I will chime in here.  Especially since I am classified as 'an Axl hater' and a 'Slash lover' all the time.  Do I like the horn section?  Fuck no I thought it was an awful idea, as were the backup singers.  If Slash did choose to bring them in  then he made a bad mistake and it appears that he has learned from it.  If Axl made that decision then it was a bad mistake and it appears he has learned from it.  Either way the shit was an awful idea and whoever made that choice was foolish to think it was a good idea. 

Oh my god... I just said something that can be construed to be negative about Slash!!!  Will an 'Axl lover' be able to do the same at some point?  I know of one who wont be doing it!  And his nick ends in gnrfnr2k  : ok:

I hate the horn section, I hated the afd balloon monsters, I hated the female background singers. I hated wardrobe changes... Bascially hated 1992.. I also hated all added members..

I knew slash said that quote a long time ago, it's in the over the top book where axl is saying how slash put this together and he was pumped, and he said it in a live interview...

Said it before and I will say it again. It was most likely a mutual decision between Slash and Axl. Believe me, they would not have been there if Axl or Slash really objected. Both can be blamed, but Slash certainly isn't innocent like he tried to potray himself in the Behind the Music. So Mike, I assume you loved the extraordinarily bad 15 minute guitar solos by Slash????? I personally hated the drum solos and long boring guitar wankfest. Horns are good on some songs but Gnr didn't have enough of them to really need a horn section. Also, it was AXL who said in 1991 or so that he wanted to make the shows more like the Stones. Thus, horns and backup singers. Remember, Gnr opened for the Stones in LA in 1989 and it obviously made an impression on the band. The beginning of the UYI tour was great then things unraveled a bit when Izzy left. The end of the UYI tour was great as well-Skin n' Bones tour. They got back to basics. :peace:

Slash doesn't directly say it was his idea, he talks about them wearing what ever they want and the interviewer says Slash said it was his idea, but point me the part out where Slash says it was his idea. Or are we just believing everything the interview/press say now ?:hihi:

We are certainly NOT going to believe everything Slash or Axl says either.....Gnr was one big lie...one big pose....one big fraud.

That perception is out there, deserved or not.

The UYI era on definately put a huge dent in all concerneds's credibility.

Piopularity breeds success, success leads to money and money fosters ego(s).

Pretty much a formula for disaster no matter who's involved.

Nice finds Dave and IRS.

I never get why everybody hates the brasses and backup singers? ???

I think the idea is good. It could work well and swell without looking as a bloat.

Backup singers is a bit much unless your Elvis circa 1976! :hihi: However, horns have been a staple of rock and roll since the beginning. The Stones use them wonderfully....especially Exile/Sticky Fingers/Let It Bleed era (70-71-72). Again, Gnr didn't have enough songs where a horn section really fit the music. I mean, the Stones never had a flute player wearing lingerie! :rofl: :rofl:

i dont know about any of  you but i would be pissed if axl let him back in guns same goes for duff

still doesn't say he came up with the idea of having a horn section on tour. he came up with them all being female, allright.
maybe the someone else in the band wanted a horn section, and Slash made sure they were all females if that were to happen...I can see that :hihi:

bottom line is that all decisions back then were made by Axl and Slash together, so they obviously both agreed on it.

sort of.
it's up to the band and its state whether a horn section, a chorus or a group of girl bikers looks/sounds effective or not on a stage.


me too but what about the topic?

I don't think i called you a liar...but just in case.....I'm sorry :hihi: :peace:

Cuz i know i argued at some point with someone that it was Axl who brought the horns in.

In my defense...they all allowed it to happen so they are all equally to blame....Someone shoulda slapped Slash upside the head for that suggestion :rofl:

I quoted slash saying it was his idea, you got it right from his mouth, what more do you want

I liked when they didn't have all the extras,, 91 & 93 was better to me...

At first I didn't mind the drum solo or the slash guitar thing, but when I got older and started watching multiple shows it became dull and boring.. I never realised years ago that bands did the same shit over and over ie drum solo guitar solo... Once I understood this I was like ZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!

I wont even argue that Axl had a part in it, it was always slash had no part in it and slash never wanted the horn section when the fact is , it was his idea and he put the whole thing together.

the only reason why the horns are mocked as well as the decadent period for the band is because they never got a chance to redeem themselves. Shame on a band for trying something a lil different! God forbid. The hwole GNr bashing regarding this period is overated and boring. WHo cares. They went to horns. It didnt work.

The only reason its a big deal is/was because that same band never came back and had a long career. Over a long time period every band does somehting that critics or their own fans hate...but then come back to earth later on...gnr never got that chance...their own fault but either way they didnt have a long stay....


but the music is alive and kicking and thats all that counts...."lost credibility" or not

it's not that they went to horns, it because they were so simple yet amazing as 5 guys onstage, then it just became way over the top..

so what....thats part of the process...the development of a band. You dont know what works and doesnt work until you actually do it. Big deal they went to horns. They also went back to their wrapped up that tour with the basics.....they didnt have a long career hence that is what they are remembered by to some....

and I could careless if peopel think Axl or the band was over the top. Thats rock n roll. Where has that stripped down, I hate the world, Im grunge image been and what has it done to rock over the past decade?.. rock is missing that over the top I dont give a fuck attitude. and say what you want about gnr and the directions they took...they had that attitude and they were the last band to have it

From Classic Rock, May 2006 issue:

Abuse Your Illusion.



Thanks to GMG!



/jarmo

Okay so Axl had to beg Slash to play November Rain, and then Slash is soley responsible for finding the horn players?  Something doesn't add up here.   For the most part, the horns really aren't on too much of UYI recordings, they are just annoying on the tour, so I don't even know what the big deal is.  Should we deprive ourselves of original GNR now because Slash found horn players?  What is the agenda here?

I believe the agenda is to support Axl's assertion that Slash is a liar.

Not sure who's idea it was, don't care at this point, but it would make me cringe during live and let die to hear the backup singers, and horns-I thought when GNR played it at MTV awards from London it sounded awsome-raw. I just never got into the idea-I like the flow of the setlist the new lineup had-no drum solos, Bucket and Robin solos that didn't last 20 minutes.

I think the "agenda" is to show that not every thing, that some fans consider bad about GN'R, were Axl's ideas....



/jarmo

No matter whose idea it was, it was still cheesy. Slash isnt the type to refuse taking the stage if he doesnt get what he wants either. Think about that. Axl could have gotton rid of any backup members on day one if he choose to. Slash never had that kind of veto power.

Whos idea was it to have female singers on the illusions? Hmm i dont know..

We're not trying to say Axl didnt want them, we're just saying that it was originally Slash's idea to get them.  Like Axl said, Slash did all the groundwork for it, and Axl was really happy to be a part of it.

I always thought the best thing about old GNR was that they didn't have a fixed setlist.  The spontenaety and mystery of not knowing what you're going to get and maybe getting a gem that isn't a hit really kicks ass.  New GNR played the same show night after night.... not really as exciting.

That is why I love the Ritz 88 concert.  No horns, no background singers, no keyboards.  Just 5 bad ass rockers making rock history with raw emotion.  But again, the horns were only really annoying during the UYI tour, so not a big deal at this point.

i actually don`t care about the horns....

they weren`t that great in 92, but i don`t think we`ll ever see them again. (as long as slash doesn`t rejoin the band of course :hihi:)