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The one thing I really can?t wait to hear on the final studio tracks is the orchestration.  Pretty much all the songs have them and I am sure on the demos and live version its just basic orchestration and it will be even better on the albums. We know that some people like Buckmaster and Marko B did orchestration for the album and I am assuming they use real instruments, I think songs like TWAT and Madagascar are going to be given new life with the orchestration and they are going to blow us away. The orchestration on TWAT is too low in the mix and I hope they raise it a tad and same with Axls voice.  I just think these songs are going to sound amazing with all the band playing and the underlying orchestration.

I'm sure he wanted to go all out with the orchestration. The potential is there to make it very interesting.

I assume that Buckmaster and Marco B used real? orchestras and they didnt do it on the computer right?

well we're in for a long wait since the album probably won't come out this year anyway,it may not come out ever,jk  :hihi:

It's possible, dave.

The last bit info I remember reading about Buckmaster was from you in fact:



So........ if it is a real orchestra on the songs, then Pittman better upload those notes to his computer before the European tour starts.  Or they do a proper live orchestra for the shows, but that could get expensive.

I've been waiting for a studio version of Madagascar ever since I first heard it for this very reason. That song has so much potential to sound amazing if a full orchestra arragement is added to it.

they did use an actual orchestra.

i remember back when i started looking at the boards, and there was an article that there were a couple horn players going in and recording some stuff.

very good point there dave. i agree there.. the orchestration is going to be pretty sweet, i am really looking forward to hearing that and all the other nuances that come out in the studio!

Oh thanks i forgot about that quote

Chris Pittmans gotta download Liquid Orchestra I suppose.    It would be cool if new gnr did something like '92 with a new kick ass song though at the vmas

Buckmaster pretty much said that TWAT is a forgettable song   .  He thinks it sucks   so don't expect much from that one  .    He did praise "Seven"   I believe.

I have a feeling that they may be trying to bury Axl's voice in the mix to an extent to hide whatever weakness it may have. The orchestration on 'There Was A Time' is faint yes but bear in mind it's a demo and will probably sound a lot better on the record when it's released. The main thing I wanted to hear was Axl. I wanted to know how he had adapted Guns N' Roses and his voice. From the demo's you can hear that he definetly still has 'it'. I especially love 'Catcher in the Rye' and how his voice sounds so clean and fresh. I like that better than a screeching noise. : ok:

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I assume, given the vast amounts of money spent and the enormity of the project, it will be a real orchestra on most songs. Live, they'll presumably sample or something like that.

It concerns me a little that there might be too much of this - in parts, if it sounds right, Im all for it - however, it could sound flabby and overindulgent if not applied subtley and sparingly

CD will probably sound a lot like the Queen album a night at the opeara or something like that.

I really love the song TWAT. Especially the guitar melody, i whistle it all the time. If Buckmaster thinks TWAT is "forgettable" and praises 'Seven', Seven must be pretty damn good!

the thing i can't wait to hear is the band playing and axl singing....I could care less about the orchestra :P

Yeah, here here!  :beer:  I just want to hear new music from the GNR camp.

As long as they keep it to a couple of songs and do it properly I'd like to hear an orchestra, and a real one is better than a computer one.

Where did you get that?  I don't remember him commenting on anything other than "Prostitute".

Ali

orchestration is gay how bout some real rockers. ill give axl a four song minimum on this one

'TWAT' and 'Catcher in the Rye' are also expected to strongly feature on the new album. 'TWAT', an acronym for 'There Was a Time', was not regarded as a memorable song by Paul Buckmaster, but it is a song that is personal to Axl, so is likely to feature on the new album. The song itself features orchestration by Paul Buckmaster. 'Catcher in the Rye' has long been regarded as one of the 'big guns' on the new album, and Axl is alleged to have bigged up the song quite a few times to fans and friends alike. Dizzy Reed describes both songs as 'good rock songs'




here's the entire article :


The release of 'Chinese Democracy', the much vaunted new album by Guns n'roses, is drawing ever closer, and could see a release as early as November/December of 2005.
July of 2005 should see Caram Costanzo and Merck Mercuriadis meet up to decide the final credits on the completed 'Chinese Democracy' album. And because the album was mostly recorded over the past two to three years, it does look as though that many producers and musicians alike will miss out despite devoting much time to the new Guns album. It is said though that a small amount of 'old' work does still remain on 'Chinese Democracy'. So musicians such as Brian May could still feature on CD, even though the chances are slim.

Brain Mantia, the drummer of Guns n'roses, is extremely confident that he will feature on all of the tracks on the new Guns n'roses album and gives us an idea as to what tracks will feature on the album.

'Prostitute' is likely to feature as one of the strongest tracks on the new Guns n'roses album. Although the roots of the song go back to the late 1990's, the meat of the song was actually only recorded in the last two-three years. Paul Buckmaster who did orchestration for the song told us "Prostitute is a mid-up, kind of biting, aggressive rhythm section; the way I wrote for the string section (32-piece, consisting of ten 1st Violins, eight 2nd Violins, six violas, and eight cellos) gives the song another dimension of, ice and fire, kind of powerful". Buckmaster also told us that 'Prostitute' was a 3-5 minute song

Already aired tracks 'Madagascar' and 'The Blues' will also feature on the new album, according to members of Guns n'roses, as will the title track 'Chinese Democracy'. Members were not so sure about 'Rhiad and the Bedouins' though. However, Splat understands that the song has been A-listed and is therefore a strong candidate for the new album.

Leaked track, 'IRS', is also a definite for the new album, although Merck Mercuriadis has stated that there are at least ten tracks on the new album which he considers stronger tracks than IRS.

'TWAT' and 'Catcher in the Rye' are also expected to strongly feature on the new album. 'TWAT', an acronym for 'There Was a Time', was not regarded as a memorable song by Paul Buckmaster, but it is a song that is personal to Axl, so is likely to feature on the new album. The song itself features orchestration by Paul Buckmaster. 'Catcher in the Rye' has long been regarded as one of the 'big guns' on the new album, and Axl is alleged to have bigged up the song quite a few times to fans and friends alike. Dizzy Reed describes both songs as 'good rock songs'.

'Leave Me Alone', 'Seven', and 'The General' could also feature on the new album. These three A listed songs were worked on by Marco Beltrami, especially 'Seven', which Marco deems as the best of the three songs. It has also been reported that Marco worked on a fourth track, 'Thyme'. However, this song was not worked on subsequent to Marco's work in October 2002.

'This I Love', a song originally destined for the soundtrack of 'What Dreams May Come', is also likely to feature on the new album, and is regarded as another of Axl's personal favourites. The piano-led ballad has historically been described by Axl as the heaviest song he has ever written (emotionally speaking). The song, which was originally penned during the 1990's, is described by Dave Dominguez as a "very heartfelt' love song of about 5 minutes or more in length.

Other weak contenders for the new Guns n'roses album are 'Quick Song', a rock song with a riff reminiscent of Nirvana's 'Smells Like Teen Spirit', 'Zodiac', an electronic industrial song and Atlas Shrugged, which is somewhere between 70's glam rock and 'November Rain'. As these three songs date back to 2000, some of the titles may have changed.

All other rumoured titles that have circulated the airwaves over recent years are very unlikely to appear on Chinese Democracy, and it will probably be the case that a few new unheard of tracks could find their way onto the new album. Dizzy Reed has told Splat though that no cover songs will feature on the new Guns n'roses album, which will be good news to some fans.

As of today, Splat understands that band members will find out at the end of August/start of September whether they can continue their solo exploits until the end of the year, so it will be at this point when we, the fans, find out whether Chinese Democracy will see a 2005 release. So until then, let's keep our fingers crossed.

 

Look at it like this, if buckmaster did say that TWAT was not one of the better songs on the album that is a good thing not bad. We all think TWAT is a great song, so that means its a filler on CD according to buckmaster and that must mean the other songs are mind blowing. Its not a negative that he said its not one of the best songs on the album, its show how great the album is going to be.

when will people realize that "Quick Song" is Chinese Democracy

quick song sounds grungy or chinese democracy the song
the person with prosttitue said it had a 50 sec long intro didnt they?"

It's very possible esp. considering the name isn't used during the song and it is a short song by GNR standards so that might have been his nickname for the song. It does have that sorta riff to it.

Im sure CD didnt have lyrics to it yet when it was called quick song..

I'm all excited all over again reading that article.

To me, Better is far for memorable than TWAT so I see that as a good thing that he doesn't see it as one of the memorable songs. I don't know about CITR being a 'big gun' though but that just seems to be article speculation that the song is considered to be one. I enjoy listening to CITR and TWAT but for me they are not big guns at all.

Better on the other hand.. ?:drool: :drool: :drool:

I think CITR is the best new song so far, and when its finalized, and the orch. is added the song is going to be even better than Nov Rain.  CITR could be a huge cross over hit for gnr much like SCOM was.

Ah well Dave it's nice to actually see a thread to get everyone excited about what's to come.. far more enjoyable than the constant negative threads posted about what we havent heard yet, what the fans havent got yet etc etc  : ok:

I agree, Dave. The orchestral parts of all the songs going back to the Blues and Madagascar have been really good. Even Silkworms had some cool synth/orchestral parts (I'm using those interchangably). The little orchestral bridge in There Was a Time is probably my favorite part of the whole song... and I really love the song so that's not to put it down.

I agree, I think a finished CITR would me a great cross over song with big fan appeal
It is a very catchy track and good lyrics

I agree with you

Now that a few months have passed, this one (as well as The Blues and perhaps a radically reworked TWAT) bears the hallmarks of a classic. A real grower.

My concern is, that Axl has listed his 3 favs, which we've heard now in demo form. To me, these dont quite deliver on the earth shattering, big guns promises. Demos of course, but to me, at this stage in the game, CITR and The Blues are the only things that sound like Bug Guns to my ears.