Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I've been listening to The new GnR leaks (of course :hihi: ) and live songs from 2002

then i got thinking and pulled out:
Slash - 5 O'Clock Somewhere
Gilby - Pawnshop Guitars
Duff - Believe in Me
Duff - Beautiful Disease

Theoretically, let's say GnR kept Gilby, and Duff and Slash stayed.

What would an album released in 1995 have sounded like?

13 songs I pulled are,

The Blues - GnR
CITR - GnR
IRS - GnR
Neither Can I - Slash
Beggars and Hangers On - Slash
Good To Be Alive - Slash
Doin' Fine - Slash
Believe In Me - Duff
Man In the Meadow - Duff
Rain - Duff
Cure Me Or Kill Me - Gilby
Tiquana Jail - Gilby (Axl's scream at the end and Slash's Guitar : ok: Fucking Beautiful I tell Ya)
Dead Flowers - Gilby

(I wanted to post them all but I'm not allowed :peace: )

Would it have worked? Thoughts?

None of those solo songs are the quality of Guns N' Roses in my eyes.

Yeah but what about a 5 man collaboration of those tunes? Axl's spin on that stuff? I think it's woulda been good

or Slash's take on IRS?

Axl is on Tijuana Jail?

A scream right at the end : ok: that's it :hihi:

That song just begged to be a GNR tune. Ever since the first time I heard it when it was released, you could tell that Gilby wrote it for GNR. Axl could have taken that to a new level.
 I think a GNR 1994-95 album would have been basically what you said. Gilby,Slash, and Duff solo songs, plus whatever Axl had at the time.
 IRS and CITR were not likely to have been written at that time, so they dont make the cut. Only Cd song we know of from back then is This I Love.

Who can confirm this?  It's not in the liner notes, it's not listed on this website, and I don't hear Axl.

Yeah but Blues and CITR seem to me to be old GnR mind set.

And I don't care what anyone says, I believe IRS is based on that period of GnR so that's why i put it in. We dunno what This I love sounds like so I didn't include it :no:

he's not on that song. he's only on Dead Flowers.

I'l post the clip if I'm allowed, but i don't think I am.  If you have the CD it's at 4:35-4:37 :peace: Seriously I've always thought so, and i know it's not in the liners :no: But it's him for sure :yes:

there's no way to tell because they would have been a team..ideas would have been added and dropped.. if axl was apart of slash's snakepit it would have been cool... Even if axl sang on ain't life grand, the playing by slash was great..

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Also songs from new gnr would have been different if slash was there, you would have definetly had more straight forward solos n riffs

What might have been or could have happened is all bullshit..

if gnr stayed gnr with those guys anything was possible axl could have brought the softer side like twat and the rest hard rockers

I really liked Gilby's stuff (from that era) the best... Pawnshop Guitars and The Hangover have the real makings of a solid mid 90's GN'R album.... apparently Axl was very P!SSED when some of those songs turned up on Gilby's solo discs... as evidently there was some miscommunication between Gilby and Axl [Axl apparently said he "liked" some of Gilby's songs (translation- ear mark it for GN'R)- and Gilby took that to mean that Axl was just being complimentary- but not that he was interested in any of the material for GN'R]. That's too bad... I've always kind of felt that GN'R missed out by not writing some original music with Gilby... dude's got a good ear.

I never really got into Slash's Snakepit... there's some great guitar work on those albums, but GN'R would be playing bingo halls right now if they had tried to release and tour behind that in the mid 90s. Ten Minute Warning and Duff's other solo work never did much for me either. I did like Neurotic Outsiders (with Duff and Matt) A LOT though... he11... I like Neurotic Outsiders more than I like Velvet Revolver.

Good point. I always felt bad for Gilby. Another thing that led to his firing was some minor comment he made in RS magazine.

Gilby is good, but what heard is southern rock, almost country rock, that in my opinion would suck for GnR.

Yeah... that's a pretty good assessment... but he's got that good fundamental "groove" to his music... Axl and Slash could have taken that base and toughened it up into a groovier but yet still GN'R sound that would have done well (maybe not best band in the world good- but well) in the mid/late 90's scene. That's always been my theory anyway...

I think from say 95-99 gnr sales ingeneral would have suffered, they were still scene as something that started from the 80's and sometimes thought of as the band that was help killed by grunge.. Take your limps your kid rocks your korns or mansons that were selling big, gnr was just not right then... Once 2002 came along it was the right time.. For me oh my god and live era showed that gnr wasn't in demand at that moment..

it would never be as succsesful as say afd or illusions.  the songs are good but they wouldnt be a gnr song you know i mean axl would put otherstuff on there. it would be good, but probably not great

look at Izzy, his solo stuff is hardly GnR material, but he was the genious behind many classic gnr tunes


I know the final product would've been different from all these tunes, but I was trying to convey that there is a solid framework of songs there, IMO, thought it'd be something cool to discuss as we (hopefully) wind down to Chinese democracy, to see where the band may have gone in 1995 as compared to what we may hear in 2006. : ok:

and while it may not have been the best song of all time I think we would've had a solid album to listen to from track 1 to track 13 :yes:

I agree that GnR was doomed to fail with the arrival of grunge and the korn/tool/manson stuff even if they remained together

neem o they weren't doomed to failure any other way then maybe album sales wise.. Touring they would have remained huge imo.. Their fan following was just that big, but not everyone was going to run out to buy new albums

Sometimes timing is much more important then how good your tunes are..

Well that's the main thing for the industry, sad as that statement is :'( The only way they could've stayed competitive is by taking the route Metallica did with Load and Reload I think, and IMO those 2 albums were chalk full of fillers. Metallica dumbed way-down their style of music during the mid-late 90's to remain competitive. Do you figure GnR would've had to go the same route? I don't think monster songs like NR, Estranged and Coma would've cut it from 1994-1999. people just weren't interested in that stuff anymore, it was all about feeling down-trodden and neglected. nearly all of the late 80's early 90's rock bands suffered heavily in those years.

I said i don't think it would've been a top seller but it would've had solid numbers, but then after it would they have been reeling from 2 low selling records? (compared to UYI's) then what? we may have gotten a live album or a GH or a really shitty attempt at going back to the roots of GnR, then they may have disbanded anyway. (i'm kinda taking a metallica parallel, from the black album they were huge, then load came out and their popularity increased, then reload and people are like ok not bad but whatever not the greatest, then we get garage inc., (junk IMO) and then S&M (good Live album)) it wasn't till early '00's that there was a bit of an upswing in that musical genre. so then we get a St.Anger type of bullshit? fuck that, this may have been the best course for GnR, now they have this crazy, mystery about them, and Axl is a Musical Icon. even though he's been mostly absent for approximately a decade and Metallica are basically a joke even though they remained active, it's fucked up.

anyone hear the Axl scream in Tiquana Jail yet :-\ (I think the reason why Axl doesn't get credit in the liner notes is that it's a 2 second scream and thats it, screams don't count for much in the songwriting dept :peace: )

it's funny, this thread really didn't evolve like i had envisioned :hihi:

@ krispy kreme - I though it was a pretty decent selection too, and I can almost hear Axl doing most of those tracks, it would've been interesting to hear anyway. I've always thought Gilby would've filled the Izzy void nicely. another thing, the majority of those songs were written by at least 2 former members of GnR (aside from the new gnr tunes of course)

Do they ever?? :hihi: When you start a thread, it only takes one post to veer the entire thread off course.

Axl is on Dead Flowers.  I haven't heard the Jail yell yet, but they played Dead Flowers during the UYI tour, and Axl and Gilby sang that in 99 at some bar.

Hypotheticly speaking  what voice do you think Axl would be using on the new songs if he would have released the album in the mid 90's. Let's say he would have written these exact songs back then,  do you think he would sing them with his raspy voice  or would he intentionally be singing them in falsetto.  I think these new songs would kick major ass if he still had the raspy voice and used it on the songs.  madagascar would rule with his raspy voice.  These songs would have so much power if he didn't try to sing high pitched.  Axl's voice used to be the most powerful instrument in GNR,  and now you could hardly hear it . In the 2002 tour  he was struggling to sing over the sound of the band.  I always wonder  how great and powerful these new tunes would sound if they would have been sung by Axl in his early 30's.  In "Better" Axl uses his Illusions voice ( who knows when it was recorded)  but there is no way in hell he can sing like that live now.   That is going to be a problem.      Does anybody agree with me that the raspy voice would make these songs better ??

Sorry whats falsetto. ?

the Darkness :hihi:

If you're working on new songs for an album, you don't want to lose your voice when you are still writing and demoing songs. You sing them as good as you can without overdoing it. Save it for the final recording.

And if you couldn't hear him on tour, then that's something the crew will have to work out with the mix. It's not like he has to generate the volume himself; he's mic'd for god's sake. Maybe he can't hear himself, and that's something that all that expensive gear is supposed to help with. Does he use in-ear monitors, or are there still a bunch of wedges on a GNR set? Bands with the in-ear monitors tend to sound better, because they can move about the set without having to find a monitor to listen to.

i think if axl released CD in '96, it wouldn't have been as good as it will be now.... because now he had more time to make it the best record he's ever made..

I know where u coming from with the voicee... its called balls boys.. ::)

If there had been a GN'R album released in 1996 it would have been awful because the band was having some serious problems at that time,so I am glad that a album was never released back then  :beer:

If Axl released an album in 1996 it would have been called: "It's five O'Clock Somewhere."  It would have been all right but not what Axl wanted to do.  Paul Tobais would have played rythm, Duff would have played bass, Dizzy Keys and on Drums would have been umm wait.....

  How about, "What if Hannibal dropped an atomic bomb on Carthage?"

A:  CD didn't exist in '96.
B:  Guns N' Roses was hardly a functioning entity in '96.

If I am to pretend that A and B are false...I'd guarantee a hard crash and burn. 

  If this was Back to the Future, and CD (or a form of it from 10 years ago) was about to be released, I'd be running to Doc's house and demanding access to that goddamn Delorean time machine.  I'd fly back in time to make sure it never saw the light of day...actually, I did do all this.   You can't prove I didn't, and you should all be thanking me that 2006 isn't the year of "Silkworms Part 2!...10 Years Later!"   :peace:

Okay, a small part of me would like to hear what was cooked up back in the strange '94 to '97 years.   ;)

I happen to like Silkworms! Has to be cleaned up abit though...

I happen to like Silkworms! Has to be cleaned up abit though...

A bit?   :rofl:   Well, there are folks who enjoy My World too.  Not me though.  :no:

I think it's a good song and a studio version would sound good, I just don't really think it's good enough to be on CD.... Compared to the rencent leaks and other live songs...

HungerforChaos, as long as it's not on CD, I'll be happy.  I am absolutely floored, as I think MANY non-"guns fanatics" will be with the quality of music we're gonna get.  If you gave me final cuts of The Blues, Maddy, CITR, TWAT, IRS, and Better, it's already better than UYI 1.  It's just 2 or 3 great songs short of UYI 2.  I like CD the song, but I don't think it's as good as these 6.  The quality of the music will shock the public who for the most part don't even know Axl's living and sane. 

Don't forget, the leaks are demos. ?In the final version Axl's voice will be mixed much better and will deffiently be on top of the music.

I think his voice sounds amazing in Better.. and it's recorded much better than any of the other demos as well.. I'd expect Chinese Democracy to sound like Better as opposed to IRS or TWAT once it's in our hands.

I would like to believe things worked out for the best with regard to GNR.  Had they released anything in the mid 90's mechanic as musician era, I'm apt to think we would've had to endure the commercial and critical backlash(which had already begun by 92-93), followed by a lackluster "return to form" attempt at grasping towards a fading star...I'm actually glad that GNR's golden era got encapsulated and that Axl was inclined to wait, as we have, until the grounds were a bit more fertile...Cultivate Axl...Till the land, Man!

BULLSHIT!!!   :P

Duffs Believe In Me   is a classic!!!  :beer: :beer: :drool: :drool:

Every song on that album is GnR ALL THE WAY!!! :peace: : ok:

I love all of those songs you listed. I think that Gilby is a great guitarist, but he just didn't get a real chance in Gn'R. Every time I listen to the solo stuff from Duff, Slash or Gilby I just imagine what would it sound like if Axl would do the vocal work. Answer is amazing! :peace:

that's probably true, but that may have been a blessing in disguise as the media wouldn't have been so intense in their scrutiny of the band and they coulda gotten back to their roots a little

some  bands made it throught those years: Aerosmith, Metallica, Bon Jovi, AC/DC, Ozzy
GnR was as big if not bigger than all of them

The grunge period just killed alot of the bands that nobody misses like Warrant, Ratt, Trixster, Whitesnake, Dokken, Extreme, Danger Danger, and a bunch of other "hair bands" I can't remember

If they would stuck together I think a possible ulbum in 96 would've been in the mix between is 12 o clock somewhere and pawnshop guitars, I think duff would make a couple of songs but not that influenced to do it on GNR

I think you understate Duff's importance to the band; he wrote / co-wrote two of the best songs on AFD:
It's So easy and Paradise City

Off topic, but listen to the Darkness... most of the singing is NOT falsetto...

The Darkness piss on the name of every rock n' roll band ever.

I agree with you on Gilby. Tijuana Jail is something akin to Dust N' Bones. Axl missed the boat on this one! Gilby could've been a real asset writing new music, more so than Slash or Duff.

That's a good one: I'd love to hear what WTTJ and SCOM sound like if Gilby had written the riff instead of Slash :rofl:

And what It's SO Easy and PC would have sounded like if Gilby wrote it than DUff

Gilby's so good I've never heard one of his songs played on the radio

And we all know thats what counts, i only hear the best music on the radio where i live

And everyone else should shit on them for what they are:  shit.

I agree with both of you - I hate gimmick bands.

on topic - I don't think a 95-96 album would have been successful - people wanted a different sound and there was a lot of backlash towards the "image" rock scene of the late 80s/early 90s.  People were angry and upset at the state of the country and the music reflected that.  Of course it was a minor recession and as soon as people were happy again we wanted to rock but by then GNR was broken up and Cobain had already killed the genre.  Instead rappers/hip hoppers replaced rockers as the new kings of sex, drugs and rock n roll and we were left with shitty bands like The Offspring and Limp Bizkit.  I think the timing is right now for a new GNR album...but back then it would have been recieved like an average Aerosmith album.  You'd have a top 40 hit but no real buzz about it. 

That's Gilberto Clarke himself.