Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.sp1at.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=247&Itemid=28

All ready been posted, and I'll wait for an Official announcement for a release date.

I think the idea of an album coming out is still very doubtful.

There is nothing to suggest an album will come out other than wild speculation amongst a few hundred geeks on the messageboards.

No single, no release date, no statement since 2004. The mini tour they have is also irrelevant pretty much as they won't have an album out, so would be foolish to play its contents live. 02 setlist and 02 outcome is a very strong possibility.

What a scoop! ?And I was so believing the bull-shit rumors that April was the month! ?:hihi:

Sorry, I didn't know it was posted already. I searched and didn't see it.

Everyone knew it wasnt coming next month anyway  :hihi:

I agree. If the album isnt out by Rio, the tour officially becomes a joke. They wont play a bunch of new songs without the album out. If they did, we would already have the album in demo and bootlegs format.

why would anyone be surprised ???

It's never gonna be released!!!

Until we get an official announcement................

As a long as a release date is in place before the tour then it won't really matter.

Oasis/Coldplay (two of the bigger releases of Summer 2005) had their albums leaked on the internet in bootleg or studio format months before their albums were released.

If they don't set a release date by Rio, then yes, I agree it will be a joke.

So true. And they will have even less credibitility then they have now.

What?

Wow they played Estranged, Don't Cry whoopdee shit.

Banking on your past 4 years after your last failure is retarded. If they have no single out that they are promoting they are a joke.

Gigger, I agree with that. A release date announced before Rio would save the tour. Even if the release date is way down the road, say August or even September. But if he says 'See ya in the summer with a bunch of new songs' instead of a real date, then he should just announce the cancellation of the tour on the same stage.

If this tour is cancelled, I predict the end of GNR. At least the end of this version anyways.

Actually It was clear channel's official website that announced the April release.

And it was TalkingMetal.com that contacted the management to get the "scoop", that while being interested in the article, they would issue an official press release if a release date was set.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=1593

The album will come out right before the tour, during it, or before the North American tour (assuming all goes well in Europe and they schedule it.)

Last I heard it hasn't even hit mastering yet.

It?s a one way ticket to the last-chance ride.
But I guess they?ll deliver some big guns in may anyway!

Otherwise, guns n roses are no more... :-X

it's now looking like CD won't come out until after the tour, as the tour will be used to get a reaction on the latest wave of tracks. I really did think we'd see CD in March. Guess i was wrong  :(

I didn't think we'd get it that soon, however I believe when we do get it... we won't know a few months in advance... it's going to be mastered, copied and distributed very quick... most likely in an effort to prevent massive leaks of the new material.

The leaks we got are all from 2001-2003 recording sessions.

Also, announcing a release date might influence anyone who has unleaked tracks left just to leak them.. as they won't have value to sell or barter anymore. Another reason to keep the release date unknown.

the cd will come out during the tour not after.

Yeah, and that would better be BEFORE the Sweden show. I don?t wanna hear a shitload of new songs without having a clue!

Awesome!!!

Now GN'R won't be fucking up my exam schedule next month...

First Guns N' Roses album in 15 years + 4 impossible law school exams = "do you want fries with that sir?"

GREAT NEWS!!

Come on... I know everybody's happy for ol' Mao! : ok:

But on the other hand, Sp1at has been wrong before...

Does this tour need saving at the moment? it's sold reasonably well with almost no promotion.

i agree if this is it-we hear nothing official about CD before Rio, then we have problems and the tour could collapse, but with 2 months and change to  i wouldnt turn pessimistic yet, as some people here and other places are so inclined to do (not targeting that at you James, just a general statement)

 What's funny is how people guarantee this album is coming out right before, or in the middle of the tour. Why? Did it come out in 2002? We had fake insiders up the ass claiming the same thing four years ago. Same with 2001. Obviously, the logical thing to happen would be an announcement or release right before the tour, or at the beginning of the tour. But since when is logic used in the same sentence with GNR?

Yeah, I'm sure Axl knows that alot is at stake this time. Everyone knows that. But does that mean we are guaranteed to see the album before or during the tour? No, it does not. Anyone that thinks its a guarantee needs to get in a time machine and go back four or five years and listen to those same guarantees.



NickNasty: The main reasons of the good ticket sales is half the people are expecting a reunion and the other half are expecting CD. If they dont come through on one of those, the tour will tank fast.

I don't think a lack of a release date would be a death blow in and of itself... IF the shows are fucking amazing and feature 7-10 tracks off CD (not just CD, Madagascar and The Blues) each night...

Lastly... IF Slash and Duff are along for the ride... the release date could be in 2010 and no one (outside of us die hards) will give a shit...

i dont neccesarily disagree with that-i just think it's too early to go into a full-out panic/piss negative mode...now, if i hear nothing in the next two weeks or so, my mind may change :nervous:

at a bare minimum they need a single on the radio before Rio...... >:(

I disagree. If Slash and Duff are "along for the ride", that just means guaranteed AFD rehash. Hell, the 'new' band can do that. No way will those two coming back not piss fans off about a longer wait. Plus, doing that is unfair to the band and would probably make them leave. They have patiently waited for Axl to get his shit together. Bringing any old members in would be a slap in the face.



Nicknasty: I agree, and I said this earlier in another thread. If we go a few more weeks with nothing from the GNR camp, not only can you forget about CD in the short term, you can forget about the tour as well. We still have not heard confirmation that the tour actually exists.

I honestly wonder if Axl even has a fucking clue about who he's touring with this summer... imagine if the communication gets all screwed up and he shows up at the stadium in Lisbon and finds Slash, Duff, Izzy, Popcorn, Matt, Dizzy, Robin, Buckethead, Richard, Brain, Chris Pitman, Tommy, Michael Angelo Batio, Teddy Zig Zag Big Bag The Greek Andreattis on ?the Harmonica and Brian May all hanging out backstage before the show... sitting around like... ahhh... what the fuck?

No confirmation that he's even touring?

Then why are all the dates and news stories posted.

Unless, you mean confirmation directly from axl or axl's management...

Don't forget Derek Trucks.

Slash and Duff aren't coming back.

I agree it would be ridiculous to at least not have some type of announcement regarding the status of C.D by the tour and would be more ridiculous not to release the album at least during it.

The concert is selling well because it's guns n roses, people are going to see a guns n roses show, if it was announced plans for C.D have been scrapped, I still think the shows would sell out. The name Guns N Roses still has huge drawing power.

What a GREAT fucking show that would be!

Just imagine the "rotation" they'd go through on stage.

:)

I agree about that from our perspective... the masses and the music media have wanted a reunion of any kind for fucking years though... most of those types would take that over Chinese Democracy anyday... it would be a HUGE story... even I would be pumped to go watch Axl, Slash and Duff perform together even if it were just AFD and UYI rehash...

Show me the confirmation. European ticket agencies and a few web sites is not confirmation to me.

All that sounds like is 2001.

what level are you taking them at

A reunion at this point would be terrible. It would be a huge step backwards and GN'R would be a nostalgia act, no better than KISS or Motley Crue (expect for the far better songs!). No, Axl needs to release CD with and tour w/the new band.

And I don't see the need for all the negativity just yet. There is a tour on the way, and yet people are talking as though the band is over, when they haven't even played a single note yet. Relax...for now at any rate.

Your ranting and whining steming most likely from your previous bad g'nr related expirences will get to you nowhere Mr. Lofton.

I specifically mentioned, did you mean confirmation at all or confirmation directly from Axl or his management but you coulden't answer that.

Confirmation from the tour webpages, articles confirming their prescene their and Richard Fortus having the dates up on his site is confirmation enough from me.

The only thing that I think we need is some sort of press release from Axl or Axl's management.

If this tour ends up failing or called off within' the next few days, maybe I'll show your opinions more respect. But until then...

If there is no release date before or during the tour.... then axl it completely out of touch with reality. Trying 'recreate' GNR is fine, but not releasing any new material since 99 (and that was only one song) is making him look like a fucking joke. IF they go out and play the same setlist or even add a few new tunes axl is still not going to get the response in the media he wants.

The only way to prove he is still relevant is to release a fucking album. its not hard. people do it everyday. If CD is not finished get out of the fucking night clubs and back in the studio.

13 million and still can't produce... gimme a break. I love the guy but get on with it already

over on VR site, someone writes:

1999 - Releasing the track "Oh My God" on the "End OF Days" soundtrack. Led nowhere.
2001 - New Years Day concert. Lead to a few random appearences, but nothing else.
2002 - Tried the New Years approach AGAIN! Attempted to go on tour and ended up fucking it up in his usual bitchy way. Led Nowhere... yet again.
2006 - The year starts with release rumours, and rumours about Slash re-joining. Makes a few public appearences, and announces ANOTHER tour which WILL NOT be completed (If it even starts that is).

Seems they think the new GnR tour isn't going to last either. If the new GnR fails, CD maynot see the light of day. If GnR fuck up again, it will prove what a joke Axl really is. Some times i get the impression Axl likes to dig big holes for himself, just to see if he can climb out. I guess when the day arrives, he can't climb out, it'll be the end.

2nd year (out of 3 in the US)... which is a lot better than 1st year... STILL- when CD comes out I'm bolting myself in my room and probably won't come out until 72 hours later... not condusive to studying. :hihi:

Not for nothing, but..considering all the bad blood lately..I'd consider the source on those comments on the VR board. 

I'm sure they're circling like buzzards at the VR board... the reality is that they should be worried about their own band... Axl could dangle a reunion in front of Slash and Duff and deep six VR any fucking day he pleases...

wasn`t the 2001 tour confirmed by management??

and the 2002 was confirmed as well.....   there simply are no guarantees regarding gnr......


it`s to early to speculate about the end of gnr at this point : ok:

let`s stay positive that axl actually manages to show up at these concerts (what i think he`ll do this time...) and that an announcement soon gets issued.......


it`s frustrating that we don`t have any official news at this point, but all this apocalyptic speculation isn`t very constructive either :peace:

Like 2001? yes a bit.... BUT even the dumbest,most ignorant instable motherfucker in the GNR Camp ( not necessarily talking about Axl!! :hihi:) knows that this time we are in a now or never situation.What happened with the (US-)tour in 2002 is still very present (at least to the amercian fans and the promotors). Axl knows that this might be the last real chance.. Still today a lot of people talk to me in disbelief when i have a GNR shirt on like" what was that at the VMA's?"...

No,another "fuck up" this time around and we will see a Knock out in early round 2....... ? ?:no:

They will deliver. And i think it is almost certain that we will at least know a release date (and probably have a single!) before the first note was played in Rio.

Yeah, a lot of huge festivals would promote a band without their aknowledge just to be sued. ::)

Did you buy the "insider" status too? :nervous:

well..might as well hope for more leaks then? :-* or a single ATLEAST :confused:

there are loads of insiders on the boards these days :hihi: :hihi:

You call a tour web page confirmation? A Richard Fortus website confirmation? articles "confirming their presence" confirmation? Gimme a break. That isn't confirmation. That's daydreams.

You're right. We need a press release from the GNR camp to confirm this. Until that day comes, this tour is one huge pipe dream. Its hard to believe its been weeks since this tour "confirmation" and not one word has come from the GNR camp, the ones that do the real confirming.

Says the resident HTGTH pessimist. :)

And, if all those things aren't confirmation....what are they?  I mean, the term "confirmation" pretty much sums up what they are.  They might not be as definitive as you'd like them to be, but confirmation they are, all the same.

Email Merck.? He's confirmed the dates for others....I bet he'll confirm them for you, as well.

"Double talkin' jive release the album motherfucker
'cause I've got no more patience
 Double talkin' lies...no more patience man
 You Dig
 What the fuck I'm sayin'
 ?HomeFuck
 OOWWWWWWWWWWWW!" ?>:(

the fact that i`m able to buy tickets for two gnr shows is confirmation enough for me to know that this tour exists  :-X

the point is that all this speculation is bullshit at present :peace:

JamesLofton... I don't need to get into an argument with you. I really don't like you as a person, I never have and I never will.

But, I will mention that it's quite clear that no matter what happens regarding this subject, it will never be confirmation-enough for you. People like you make me sick.

 :-X

It's ironic. We see no GNR action whatsoever for 4 years, we finally have a summer tour scheduled, Axls making appearances weekly and the imminent CD release rumours are more frequent than ever, ?and we are all speculating how this summer could be the end of Axl ?:hihi: Only in the world of GNR! ?

harshh...

Agree, I think its the 02 set list but instead of madagascar, the blues, and chinese democracy ... its better, TWAT, IRS.

But please stop laming his ass!! ?
Hi to everyone, I'm a Guns N' Roses fan, and I'm sorry to say that the CD is going to be a fucking shit I'm really fed up of waiting. Axl's Guns N' Roses are not Guns N' Roses anymore... Where's the classic line up??


Axl we're waiting for you, don't be chicken and release the fucking CD at fucking once!

I'm sorry I can't stand anymore I'm sick of false rumours... it looks like we're laming his ass with the CD come on! leave him alone!!! and go to support other bands!

And then as soon as Axl release the CD, buy it and post our own critics.

Love the avatar...Dangermouse (and Penfold) are the shizznits!

:)

wasn't there a note from Axl regarding the Dockland gig? Like " We have blah blah blah memories. Europe always been great blah blah..." ? Guess that is as much confirmation as you can get from Axl these days :hihi:

James Loften: You may be the "boards pessimist" but i really enjoy to read your posts (no sarcasm!!) and: Someone needs to do the "It's never gonna happen .Spread the word job"  :hihi:
When CD is out you will probaly wet your pants like anybody else here. See you in the first thread that hits the board when CD is released called : 

" i thought the holy grail gots something to do with religion. Fuck, i never knew that i just bought it in a cd store" : ok:

Cmon Pilferk. Did I miss some announcement from Merck or Axl? An email from Merck doesnt prove a thing. Emails dont prove shit. If you dont agree, go read all the previous email threads from years past. The only thing that proves its existence is an actual announcement/press release from the GNR camp.

Didn't you mean resident HTGTH realist? :hihi:


the resident HTGTH insider Mysteron needs to put his two cents in on this thread. That was classy. : ok: Now go get in the back of a long line of people that offer nothing intellectual and instead of offering a decent rebuttal to something I said, have to resort to that type of bullshit. I dont like trolls. Never have, and I never will. If you would like, I can PM you a list of my trolls/stalkers, and you can join their club and do some serious mindmelding.

Dont bother responding to this, Markus. It will just prove you're a troll, and we dont need any more "confirmation".

I seem to think, that there is no release date confirmation, because it is still up in the air as to who is going to be touring with Axl this summer. ?I would imagine we will get an album this fall: ?either Chinese Democracy or a two disc set with the 2003 (Duff, Izzy, Slash, Matt) stuff mixed with the four or five completed songs from the 94-97 jam sessions on one disc, and a Best of on disc two. ?Increasingly, Axl's inclusion (on the non-Business Wire ?version of the legal statement) of the Oct. 2005 Slash visit, maybe more of a personal challenge to Slash than any legal maneuvering. ?Whatever the case, Sterling Sound is getting some material this summer to work on. ?

In either scenario, GNR is back this year--let's at least be happy about that. ?I tend to think that Axl is beginning to get a little nervous about this, and maybe thinking it's time to just throw away the last eight years, and give Duff a call. ?We know he chat's with Izzy, and we know that Slash and him were trying to work it out last fall. ?I would think one of the major sticking points to a reunion is choosing the drummer. ?Duff maybe still loyal to Matt, whereas I don't see Axl reconciling ever with the guy. ?Taz Bentley, Brain, or Josh Freese all would be very suitable in my book!

The nice thing about the new guy's is they all have their own projects--IF a REUNION DOES HAPPEN:

Fortus (may tour instead of Izz) or will continue to do session work, tour with Nena, re-join Richard Butler for a new album, etc.
Finck (may tour instead of Izz) or will rejoin Reznor and NIN, will work with Perry Farrell (who wanted to work with him on numerous occasions), ?or do more performing arts work, etc.
Brain can find work in a second with many bands, including Buckethead or Primus.
Pitman--more projects than one can name here--the guy is busy
Dizzy--will be involved in any GNR line-up
Tommy--Soul Asylum, or will reunited with Paul Westerburg

There is really many "win-win" scenarios, if shit hit's the fan with the new band.

I have been visiting GNR forums since 98'. ?i used to post at gnronline( when it had a message board),Chinesedemocracy.com, ?gnrx,com, ?2000intentions etc ?. So many damn forums I've forgotten a lot of them. ?I have been very patient waiting for this album but if it is not released this yr I am done with this new band . ? I'll become a VR supporter ?even though they suck, ?atleast they know how to release an album. ? If Axl doesn't release this thing before the tour ?I hope he gets booed off stage and people throw shit at him. ? I never knew that releasing a fuckin album was rocket science. ?Maybe Scott Weiland is right, ?maybe Axl sucks on his own and can't write a song to save his life . ? This fucker better hurry the fuck up or he is going to lose the few fans he has left . ? ?

Did you hear the 2002 bootlegs? Or the recent demos? Listen to them, and you might want to reconsider that opinion.

SWINGTRADER,  do you live in LA?

Those same "few fans he has left" managed to sell out an arena in what, 8 minutes?  Be careful when making blanket statements like this - they tend to come back to bite you.

-darknemus

Again, the confirmation we've gotten may not be as definitive as you'd like, but...it's still confirmation. ?I understand your deep seeded need for something more definitive, but dismissing what we have, out of turn, simply because it didnt' come directly from Merck or Axl is a bit short sited. ?Calling it a pipe dream is, too. ?There are promoter announced dates with real tickets being sold. ?You don't do that without signed contracts. ?And (reputeable) promoters don't do that unless they have reasonable certainty they have a product to sell that's not going to result in them losing their shirts. ?Again, it's not definitive confirmation from the band, itself...but it's compelling confirmation, all the same.

Email confirmation from Merck is pretty much the ?next best thing from an "official" announcement. ?Again, maybe not as definitive as YOU would like (and, given your well earned and much worked for pessimist title, that should surprise no one), but, again, pretty compelling, all the same.

As for being a realist, I'd beg to differ. Especially in this case. A realist would incorporate all the information at their disposal and not ignore ?huge swathes of it simply because it wasn't "definitive" enough for them. They wouldn't immediately jump to the "worst case" scenario simply because all the facts aren't yet in evidence. ?They wouldn't dismiss the evidence we DO have and leap, feet first, to the conclusion that it's all bunk. That's the mark of a pessimist. ?And, keep in mind, I'm not coming down on you for your viewpoint. ?All things considered, in the grand scheme of GnR, being the pessimist has been closer to being right, more often than not, in the past few years (or decade, maybe). ?But that doesn't make you a realist...it just makes you right.

As for Mysteron....he seems to be intentionally laying low. ?And that, in and of itself, is pretty odd. ?Maybe he's on holiday, maybe he's just keeping his mouth shut. ?I don't know. ?But it is interesting....

Well not every old fan is going/willing to be taken to the 21st century with GNR, it seems :-\

Warning:
"look who were talking, you dumbass know-it-alls! I told ya, pessimists from hell!!!" thread bump starts very SOON. :hihi:

Honestly some of you must have had lots of sleepless nights pondering what to do if the sun rises from the west.

Heh, not me.  I'd set my clock back 3 hours and thank whoever was responsible for the one night of 3 extra hours of sleep.

Having kids will make you practical like that in a damn hurry.

:)

And be careful telling people, in a blanket fashion, that they are frauds, because they did not want to give up their sources regarding their knowledge of conversations between the old bandmembers. ?Not everyone one is sitting in an English Garden, waiting for the sun.

I'm just upset because if this news is accurate than we probably won't see the album this yr."The new album has yet to even enter the release conveyor belt at Universal, according to Universal." ? I know I went overboard when I said that Axl could not write a song to save his life . ?He could write songs ?he just doesn't know how to release them. ? It's been almost 4 yrs since the VMA performance. ?Maybe we are all suckers. ? "you will here music this yr" ? ?translation : ?I am going to tour this summer ?I will leak a few tracks ?and as far as my album goes , you can all kiss my ass.

Are you from LA?

The line in the GnR song Pretty Tied Up:
ONCE THERE WAS THIS ROCK N' ROLL BAND
ROLLIN' ON THE STREETS
TIME WENT BY AND IT BECAME A JOKE
WE JUST NEEDED MORE AND MORE FULFILLING...
UH-HUH
TIME WENT BY AND IT ALL WENT UP IN SMOKE...

...is this song about GnR in general  :hihi: or about the old GnR  ???

Swingy, they keep all thi shit so tightlipped. Guess we would not even know when CD would hit the stores tomorrow...
I visit this forum since god i don't know when and didnb't post often 'cause i thought that this band is over. In 2001 & 2002 when the hope glimped that we would see something i didn't really believ in it also. Now in 2006 i have a feeling in my stomach that it's time. Ok, fuck my feelings but the trafficlight shows green i'd say

That was written by Jeff Isabelle, shortly before heading back home and regrouping with Alan Niven. ?

No, I'm from NY

Can you point me to who said this:

"The new album has yet to even enter the release conveyor belt at Universal, according to Universal."

I'm just a bit curious. I missed that comment, from whoever made it, and would like to read it in context.

Oooook. Where's the news here? Did anyone really think CD would be released in April? Gimme a break. An album that big won't be released in that short period of time. Earliest time I think would be late May/ early June.

From Sp1at on Saturday.  When are rehearsals scheduled to begin?  Today? 

It was BigBoss over at Sp1at.

when I'm at my most pessimistic (realistic?), that's how I look at it as well.  But with the recent news of Axl in NY, I hold on to the hope that he is there for the mastering of the album....and hence we're close.

Thanks.? Interesting.? I'm assuming B.B. meant Geffen, not Universal...I mean, it's high profile so Universal will probably have SOME part in it, but it's Geffen that will go through the motions of actual release and distribution (using Universal's resources, of course).  At least that was always my impression

I think they were scheduled to start last week, weren't they?? Or did they get pushed and I missed the thread about it?

Some of the stuff in this thread is hilarious...

1.Slash and Duff are not coming back.
The new tour will consist of Axl, Stinson, Fortus, Finck, Brain, Pittman, and Dizzy. A 3rd guitarest will probably emerge before the tour begins.
2.When Guns N Roses releases its next album it is going to be "Chinese Democracy." Not some new cd with old members or shit from 1997 recording sessions. Some of you have to be completely brain dead to say shit like its going to be a cd with old members, etc...
3.As of the first of this month the new tracks had not hit mastering.
4.If you're all setting around for a release date, you're going to be really dissapointed for a while. I've said a hundred times they aren't going to announce a date months in advance, 2-4 weeks before at the longest.

Later. :peace:

Increasingly, I wonder if there is some issue with finances regarding this. ?We are approaching the end of the 1st quarter, and Sanctuary's viability as a player maybe in doubt, or not after they report their quarterly earnings/losses. ? Alan Niven's statement, timing wise, was very interesting. ?There is always more than meets the eye with GNR. ?From what I gather, Oct. 2005 is not the first time in the last five years that Axl and Slash have chatted ;)  For all we know, they maybe in the same fantasy football league!

any questions voodoo? :hihi:

by the way if your information is correct, the rumour about CD being mastered in NY is from march 14th :peace:

My info is correct. I can't verify or deny the March 14th rumor.

For some reason, I think you are correct (esp. the 2-4 weeks).? But there are wild cards circling this band like vultures do carrion prone on Lost Highway's.? All well laid plans with this band, can go out the door in a heartbeat!  I also know, for a fact, that in the past year, there has been a push by many inside of the old 86-93 GNR camp trying to foster some sort of reconciliation between the opposition parties. 

release date? we've known that for ages people!!

uote from the "behind the music" guns n roses episode  "axl's album , chinese democracy , is slated for release in november 2004"

there ya go .. it will be in november 2004!!! god!

oh , wait ....  :confused:

Do you really work for Axl, or were you being sarcastic? 

Well, I believe VH1 was incorrect about that.

Oh dear Lord here we go again. ::)

I believe the release date will not be said with just an internet press release. It would be with Axl doing some interview or something like that.. I mean, it would come from Axl's mouth, not just Merck or gnronline braking the news. :P

Actually, I think he did some trade. The Prostitute demo for the insider status. :hihi:

I don't work for Axl, however the info I have is valid, it doesn't matter how I get it. Also, you're correct that many people inside the old gnr camp would love to see the old band get back together.. but what they want and what they get are two entirely different things. Still too much bad blood for a reunion and Axl has 32 new tracks right now, no reason for a reconciliation.

I am waiting for a reply to a question I asked someone, but I don't think everything is set in stone as much as Mr. I seems to think. ?1st things first, let's find out who was at rehearsal?

No surprise here. Axl himself said CD was not finished just a few months ago. I doubt he has even worked on it since then considering he has been partying it up in NY. If CD is going to be released this year, I think it will be late in the year.

Man I wanna know the story, stop playing around, you know damn well what is allegedly "out there", why wont you just tell us, and does GNR really have north american dates in mind if this tour goes well?

The tracks are done, they just aren't mastered.

I don't think Axl has any more work to do but to decide on the tracklisting, artwork, tour plans, promotions, videos, singles, etc........

When was the latest recording done?  2004?  Did they record fresh material in 2005, or just tinker with the stuff from the 2001-2003 sessions?

they began last tuesday.

I just gave you the full story... what I know I post, of course Guns N Roses will want to tour America if the European tour goes well and Axl demonstrates to American promoters that he is committed to his schedule. If you're speaking about more songs being "out there" its obvious I don't believe there are any more readily available as I would be making threads offering cash to buy them... like I did before.

Richard and Tommy both went in the studio in December 2005 to record an interlude, so I'm assuming they did some stuff besides 2002-2004. Not much though probably.

I've never asked that question, so I couldn't give an honest answer.

Keep in mind the Tool record was mastered in a day and their albums are pretty complex. It is a short quick process. Mysteron not being around at all leads me to believe we are not on the cusp of anything too important. ?:-\

Or it could mean exactly the opposite.

Mastering will only take 1 day to complete.  2 at the most.  Anyone with recording knowledge will tell you that.

Tool's new single is out on April 17!  Here are the group photos! 

http://toolshed.down.net/pix/group.html

I cannot realistically check every rumor right now. There are too many  :hihi:

He Speaks!

Just tell them the sun won't rise in the west for the time being.

Hey Mysteron, great to see you back.

How about just tracking down who's in the band for us...

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease....... :drool:

I don't think it's asking too much for the fanbase to know whether we should be gearing up for the rise of Guns N' Roses.2 OR the reunion of one of the greatest rock bands of all time....

Mysteron gets his info from Mr I  :P :-* :rofl:

I think Axl is waiting until the very last minute to see if there is any chance of Slash and Duff coming back. It would not take long for them to do there parts as the music is basically written. Slash is a very impromptu soloist anyways and goes by the feel. So for him to lay a track wouldn't be to tuff.

Tool single in April 17th ???? where did u get that????
Sorry for beeing offtopic!! But please tell me about this? Source???  :o

Will you stop it with this  bullshit?  THERE IS NO REUNION!!!!!! STOP MAKING SHIT UP!!!!!!!!

If slash and duff were ever to rejoin axl they would be in the studio right now adding their parts to CD, which they are not. So stop your BS specutlation

if this just ends up being a repeat of 2002, axl will be the laughing stock of rock n roll. GnR will be over unless a reunion happens. i hope the cd is actually coming this time. i won't be surprised if it doesn't. in fact, i'll be surprised if it does. i'm still hopeful, but doubtful at the same time.

Why dont you calm the fuck down. Just because he has a different view or an idea or a speculation doesnt mean you have to act like someone shot Axl.

I thought he already stated his contact was sponge bob. ???


See, we have too many Alan Nivens and Ross halfins here.  :no:

Do you think the Official Announcement is coming SOON?  Preferrably tomorrow...

How is it a shot at Axl, its another stupid bullshit rumor that will never happen. CD is done, the band is rehearsing and slash and duff are not rejoining axl anytime soon. I think she needs to calm the fuck down and stop it with his bullshit.

The people that think Axl is going to drop the current gnr and the 37 or so songs they have finished to rejoin slash and duff and use songs they made in 97 are delusional.

The band is rehearsing right now together or will be this week

Indeed.

Besides, it's offensive to listen to and rude to both GNR and VR and to the fans.

I really don't think there is a problem with the new band. Axl is still being sued by the old guys. VR claims they are recording a new album. No real issue at all here.

An announcement will come once all European dates have been scheduled, it will probably just include details of the European tour and possibly reveal a 3rd guitarest/band line up. If we're really lucky maybe it will discuss the status of Chinese Democracy.

dude, thats an absolute ideal situation for me and most others (outside this forum)

but the fact remains, where are you getting this info? Especially the stuff regrding 2003 songs and completed works from 97. Did Axl even complete vocals for either of these

its all really just speculation so Im not going to get my hopes up

That is not happening. Why are so people so naive. The record label would NEVER let this happen.  Yeah I know they are gonna let Axl trash the 30m bucks they gave him and trash all the songs he has worked on since 1999  ::)

If the label saw more $$ in OG band than new ,you can bet they would let it happen alright

No they would not. You are insane if you think the label would not sue axl if he trashed all those songs and went with ones he did with slash and duff in 1996. Those songs are not even finished, and they would not let axl go back into the studio to work on them.?

The label wants CD out ASAP, the would never just ok axl pissing away 30m they gave him to reunite with the old band.

Face CD will be out by the summer and axl will be touring  with the  band that made CD minus BH

I am utterly bewildered people on this board think old Guns would ever get back together.   ???

I've said it before, I'll say it again.  Mommy and Daddy got a divorce.  It's over.  They both have new friends, new lives.  It will never be the way it was before.  Get use to it.  Please, for the love of god, stop!   :crying:

Plus Axl wants to show who was the real talent in gnr. We have seen what izzy, slash and duff did and now axl is going to shine and show he was the driving force behind guns n roses.

I may be delusional, I admit it.... but aside from Axl, Dizzy and possibly Richard.... I don't think it's certain by any means who's taking the stage in Lisbon and Europe yet.... for all we know... Slash and Duff could be "invited" back into the band for the summer tour as part of a settlement agreement regarding the law suit... it's not out of the realm of possibility... if Axl's attorneys feel that the suit isn't going well (although I like his case more than their's) he might be looking at some nasty damages... if he feels the suit will go badly at trial... taking these guys out on tour and making them a part of Chinese Democracy may be the only way to make them go away... legally.... Slash and Duff could record parts for Chinese Democracy 1,000's of miles away from Axl Rose (say in London)... it is possible... this is 2006... not 1973. We do know that someone close to Slash, likes the ablum... I always thought there was more buried in that comment than meets the eye...

Anyway, management is going to look like a bunch of morons if their "big announcement" before the tour is that Axl is touring with Robin, Richard, Tommy, Brain, Dizzy and Chris (who we all like/admire, but the rest of the world couldn't pick out of a police line-up) with no news about a Chinese Democracy release date...

I guess what I'm saying is that I buy hook, line and sinker into the whole "two contracts" theory... I don't think there's been an announcement... because it's not 100% certain what the hell will actually being going down in Europe this summer... which is just so "Guns N' Roses" if you think about it.... I wouldn't be surprised at all if these mythical "rehearsal" sessions taking place this month are nothing more than Dizzy and Richard playing Ms. Pacman on Pitman's mac without permission...

Unless Axl is playing all the instruments in this new band, I don't see how that's possible.
This band is a collaborative effort from what the new members keep saying, so how can you say it's solely Axl?

Axl was the one who got the band to work hard on the songs. That is FACT.

Without Axl, GN'R would just have been a cool rock band. There wouldn't be songs like november rain,estranged,breakdown,locomotive,coma,don't cry etc. The Live shows wouldn't have been half as good....

Maybe so with the old band, but like I said, the new band is said to be a collaborative effort, it's not an Axl solo project, from what the new members have said.

I have no doubt CD will be good, but your blind Axl worship is ridiculous.

How am I wrong?You just cant accept the truth. Look at slash, duff and izzys solo albums plus VR album.? None come close to being as good as the old gnr stuff, where as a song like TWAT, Madagascar, Better and CITR are all just as good as a lot of the UYI songs and some of the songs on AFD. None of which can be said for their solo or vr stuff. So how am i wrong? Plus most of gnr hits were axls songs.

You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. This new band won't prove that Axl is the sole driving force if it's a collaborative effort from all the new members will it?

It ain't an Axl solo record, so if CD is good, it proves that this entire band is good, not Axl alone.

I agree with that point... but compare the stage presence, charisma, writing skills and playing chops of Slash, Duff, Izzy, Matt v. Robin, Richard, Tommy and Brain... that's what's important... Axl is indespensible to either line-up... but will he scale the same heights with the new guys that he did with the old? ???

The Guns N' Roses of old were pop icons....

Axl is indeed the driving force behind the collaborative effort.? Axl assembled this band.? Axl has been there throughout all of the recording.? Tis why none of the other band members have a clue as to what has been going on because Axl has been the only constant during the entire recording process.?

For instance, Brian May recorded his parts to CITR years ago and just recently got to hear Axl's voice on the song.

Better, TWAT & IRS indeed prove that the entire band is good.......or........the parts that Axl assembled are incredible.

Does anybody realy think that Axl is going to welcome back the old members that had nothing to do with CD??? They wanted no part of it and walked long long ago.? The man behind this movement isn't going to let them piggy-back in as the masterpiece is about to be unveiled.

Everybody, myself inclulded, has become more anxious as of late for this thing to drop because we gotten a taste of what is to come......and Axl's activity in the public eye shows he's getting ready.

I still say May....June at the very latest.

Well, until he finds a way to surpass all that Appetite achieved your argument is worthless in that it will only prove that neither Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff or Popcorn were able to create better music on their own than they were able to create as a unified band.

Just merely making better music than the others doesn't prove jack when you can't make music that surpasses what you made with the guys you claim you don't need. Where is the logic in that?

David Glimore and Pink Floyd were very successful after Roger Waters left in the band in the 1980's. In much the same way they argued over the band name and who was the driving force behind their success.

Does David Gilmore having better success in his venture than Roger did on his own vindicate his claim, or does the fact Pink Floyd without Roger never reached the heights they did with him prove that the sum of a groups parts are superior to any singular band member's vision.

The same analogy applies to GNR. What is Axl "proving" as you like to say if his version of GNR can't even reach the same heights as the old one did, let alone surpass them?

Tommys solo stuff and playing is better than Duffs
Slash is better than Robin.
Fortus can play better than izzy, and until I hear fortus writing, izzy was the better writer.
As for drumming brain blows away matt.

So sad and so very true ?:'(

Some of the new songs are better than some of the songs on AFD, so Like I said I am right. And as for what CD has achieved, that doesnt mean shit. Contraband got a grammy does that mean that its better ?than AFD? The songs that axl has made are better than a lot of the old gnr songs, so you have no point.

Hell, some of the VR songs are better than some of the songs on Appetite, so I guess that debunks that being a litmus test.

When Axl produces a singular album that is generally regarded as possibly the greatest guitar driven rock album ever written, has another trio of SCOM, Jungle and PC that are still played on all rock formats daily and sporting events everywhere 20 years later, not to mention still moving almost 5,000 copies a week WITHOUT Slash, Duff and Izzy.............THEN you will be right. I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you.

I am not putting the forth the idea as realistic as I realise it is a longshot.

However, your rationale although not without some merit, doesnt really add up.

Think how profitable an OG album and tour would be? Regardless of whether you think CD would be better or not, OG band = big bucks. More than enough for Geffen or whoever to recoup and or/write off CD as something they can release at a later date, in a different format. New band is still untested and much more of a risk.. both financially and in terms of whether or not they can tour US. OG GNR could tour US and sell out stadiums new album or not.

Did you forget to take your meds today Dave? :hihi: Its clearly obvious that Tommy is NOT better than Duff. I dont understand this 'Fortus is God' bullshit we see from time to time. More than likely, these demos are from before he arrived so you might want to take the name Fortus out and put in Huge, but I would still strongly disagree with your statement. As far as Brain goes, you should wait to hear a little more than 4 year old bootlegs to compare to someone that worked on 3 GNR albums.

I love the new material just as much as anyone here, but to start saying certain members(specifically Fortus) are better than original members is just pure nonsense. Wait until this version of GNR has real albums to compare before reaching such a drastic conclusion.

No there not, there is no VR song that is better than any AFD song. Nice try tho

In your opinion perhaps.

I'd take Slither over a song like Anything Goes.

Tommy is much better than duff and its not even close. You need to take off your duff beer goggles. ?Tommys solo work blows away duffs I am sorry. And tommys worth in the mats is great. As for Brain why do you just go by the 2002 tour? I have seen him with primus and BH A LOT plus with guns n roses. ?

As for Fortus playing you have heard his work on tommys album or on his site right?

I find it funny you need to hear them in a gnr setting to see who is better. Jimmy Pagee never played in gnr but I know he is better than slash. Using your logic he needs to play in guns n roses to say that he is better than slash? :rofl:
 

Tommy can't hold Duff's jock in terms of what he has accomplished as a musician. I realize you refuse to acknowledge people's work in the context of a band, but comparing Tommy and Duff's resume is laughable.

And as to your earlier quote, Slither could easily fit in on Appetite in place of a few of the weaker songs. I mean it only one a grammy for rock song of the year, but I guess because you say CB sucks it is gospel.

Robert Plant better than Slash?

Are we talking singing abilities or guitar playing abilities? :confused:

Tommy and Duff are a wash. They're both great... Tommy is perhaps a slightly better all-around musician... Duff is a better bassist.
Slash blows Robin off the stage.
Fortus is a better player... Izzy is a LEGENDARY writer.
Matt v. Brain... like 'em both as drummers... Matt is far more accomplished though (The Cult, GN'R, Neurotic Outsiders, VR)...

And forget the "talent" analysis for a second.... what about the other point... charisma? Slash, Izzy, Duff and Matt all had their own personalities and are rock stars in their own right... Robin, Tommy, Brain and Richard could be four guys playing in your neighbor's garage... they're great musicians though... and if CD has some true "big guns" on it... they ?could become mega stars in their own right... but that's by no means certain...

Jimmy Page is a better guitarist than Slash because his resume is more impressive than Slash's and he was in a band that has an even greater legacy than GNR does.

Tommy has never played on a piece of music that has accomplished half of what Duff has as a musician.

Again, your arguments get back to the difference between you and about 99% of the board. You look at musicians solo work as a litmus test for their musical accomplishments, where most of the board is willing to look at their work within the larger context of a band as evidence to their true musical abilities.

Maybe Tommy's solo stuff was better than Duff's, but last I checked Duff's bass is all over the GNR catalog, and Tommy has nothing in his musical history that can compete with that type of quality.

my bad i meant page. That is what I get for watching 24 while posting on the board.

You might want to ask the mats fans about that. You dont think the mats were a great band? Duff is a decent bass player, he isnt as good as tommy by a long shot.

And why is going by a solo album bad? It shows what duff could do with out axl and we get? believe in me, it was garbage

I dont see why people think Axl woud go back with duff and slash when his new version of gnr have finally finished CD. Give me a break

As would I but in that same regard, Id take IRS, Catcher, TWAT, or Better over anything on Contraband....

As well as Out Ta Get Me, Think About You, You're Crazy.....Lies version is far better ;)

For their genre they were great. GNR were playing in a different league though in terms of impact, legacy and just about every measurable possible.

The argument about talent versus intangibles is best seen when looking at Tom Brady vs. Peyton Manning. Manning would objectively be considered more talented, but Brady is regarded as the better quarterback because he has 3 rings, and Manning none.

So it just depends on whether you value pure individual talent in a player, or an intagible ability to blend your skills with the strengths of others to produce the best possible group result.

Wrong Brady is more talented than Manning also. Manning like Duff always had more talent around him thus people think he is better.

I agree 100% AxlsMainMan, but please put Axl on the vocals.  : ok:

Thats what it is.. Everyone needs to listen to them words.

IM gonna stick up for Dave on this , since I have saenn GNR 14 times. since87, and saw Izyy, and Fortus, Fortus rocks ! , and besides that I have seen Fortus on numerous ocassions, playing in more smaller intimate club locales, and he is fuckin phenonminal. I will not take away Izzys written, as for I dontr know what was wrritten or contributed by Fortus, but as far as playing. YES I take FORTUS!!!

And you know what?

My dad could beat up your dad.......

 ::)

Why does whether Tommy or Duff is better matter one iota?  Tommy is in GnR.  Duff is in VR.  It's not like they're competing for a job.....

All I know is they're both better bassists than I am, both have played on music I enjoy, and both have a shitload of talent.

"Belive in Me" it's really great record. Stinson rercord sounds like a shit. I hope he is out. Fucking "yes man".

Personally, I think Gnr and the Mats are about even. From a critical acclaim standpoint, the Replacements are probably more respected. I'll put up Let It Be, Tim, and Pleased to Meet Me against AFD, UYI 1, and UYI 2 anyday of the week. Most of you guys have never listened to a Replacements record so you are talking out your ass. Plus, the Mats had three or four more albums (Hootenanny is great as well) whereas Gnr's catalog is pretty thin. The Mats actually released music. As far as Tommy goes, I think he is a much better overall musician/artist than Duff.....especially his solo stuff with Perfect and Bash and Pop (an album pretty close in quality to an Izzy record)? plus Village Gorilla Head which is well beyond Duff's abilities as a writer. In the end, I like both bands but to slag off the Mats ----NAUPIS-----is to be pretty ignorant of rock history.

The people that think Duff is better than Tommy have not even heard Tommys stuff away from the new gnr.



Exactally like I said. Izzy is the better song writter but Fortus is the better player. I dont know why people cannot admit this. Izzy was never the best guitar player. Im not saying he isnt good but for ability Fotus is much better.

He is closer in skills to Slash. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Are you stoned??? Izzy is not the best guitar player it's true, but Fortus too. He is avarage guitar player.  Nobody knows except GN'R fans who is Richard Fortus.

Its true, Fortus is a great lead guitairst.

There are thousands of players in the world as good as Slash-technically. That doesn't mean they can write a memorable riff or song. : ok:

So CD won't be released in April cause some think Tommy is better than Duff?  :confused:


The never ending CD saga is like the Achilles and the turtle case...

I can't really compare Fortus and Izzy since I've never been to a GN'R gig  :nervous: However, the bootlegs I've seen suggest that Fortus is an amazing guitarist. I hope the tour goes really well for him and that he really gets into the public eye. He deserves it.

Bring on Paris!

can you tell me ?title of the song in which Fortus plays Lead guitar? (Released song)

I believe the lead guitar part in "Better" is actually Fortus...if not the whole thing definetly the harder rocking end part

Well that's cool. Better is an amazing song.

My hope is on THIS YEAR.

Not any particular month.

I'm not so sure of that. No one really knows what parts were authored/played by Finck, Fortus. It is possible although doubtful that Bucket played the slow melodic solo at the end of the metallicity.

they aren't promoting the tour so why put out an album :-\

Any song off the Love Spit Love, Honkey Toast, Pale Divine albums has Richard doing great Lead work. Hes known by alot more people then just guns fans  : ok:

can you PM me some of his Lead work with Love Spit Love or other bands he played in? thanks.

On "Better", the last solo (the most melodious one) is played by Robin. It's his tone, and his style. I think Richard may play on Rythm guitar, I think it's him but I'm not sure. Buckethead plays on the first (ultra speed) solo and the Metallish part.

I've heard and love all of Tommy's non-GN'R work. I just don't necessarily think of him as this legendarily fantastic BASSIST though... a GREAT all-around musician.... and quite an impressive guitarist, lyricist and singer to boot.

On the other hand, if nothing else, Duff McKagan is on any short list of all-time great rock BASSISTS. His work as a BASSIST on AFD and UYI is legendary... Duff's playing is part and parcel with Axl's piercing vocals and Slash's killer riffs as the key ingredients of the classic GN'R sound... all part of recipe.

But it's certainly possible that Axl, Robin, Richard and Tommy have a great kick ass recipe of their own... the talent is definitely there...

BTW: I remember reading that a ton of mutual respect exists between Duff and Tommy... which is pretty cool... if I'm not mistaken they've both refererred to the other as "legends" in various interviews as well. :peace:

No, I think Tommy's great as well as Duff. I don't think it's better to say one's better than the other although I do prefer Mr. Stinson.

Speaking of Tommy and the Replacements. :o :o :o :o
http://www.buddyhead.com/gossip/

He did some recording in 2004 with Paul, and now again.  Tommy has put too much into Chinese Democracy, personally, to walk away.  But if you think a bonafide rock star, like Tommy, is happy waiting around for Axl, then you have another thing coming.   This is further proof that a) nothing is set in stone with the new band--as they easily can get fed up and walk away to other projects and b) if this does not happen in 2006, then I would expect at least Tommy to re-join Paul Westerburg for a glorious Replacements reunion tour, that will sell out theatres across the U.S. in seconds.  In fact, I think the Mats to some degree, may finally be getting the love they deserved twenty years ago.   I know Paul's mgr, Darren, and was able to hang out with them for a week's worth of gigs last year on Paul's tour (kick ass live)!  Tommy and Paul have made amends, and will at some point tour again.  Take it to the bank.  : ok:

I hope that Replacements has reunited and Stinson "Yes man"  is out!!!

People, including myself, believe it will come out simple because of what did happen in 02.. no way Axl could do this again without having the album otherwise yes it's all over and they could never start another tour. That's why it is happening this time.

Tommy is with gnr right now practicing for the tour  : ok:

CD HAS BEEN DONE FOR A WHILE NOW

Yeah, the whole lot is doing drugs, Axl gets pissed, starts a riot, no music played.

fan-tastique!  :peace: