Here Today... Gone To Hell!

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No one knows, ok?

yeah i know but im bitchin ok '
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september or october..........if i had to guess.

I believe, after the 2002 tour, that this time around Axl will wait until he has an album or at least a single out.

yeah ok whatever '
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Europe = Test Audiences

well we are answering your question aren't we ?::)

U.S.A LOVES AXL TOO !

this summer after the european tour would be nice :drool:

It's funny because it's stupid...

not so much  :no:

Why could it not be a test?

Just like  the album: the tour will happen when it happens.

They should play a show at the House Of Blues in Hollywood before the European tour :hihi: :beer:

jealousy's a bitch, ain't it...

when a U.S.A tour ?

When you stop hating Axl ?  ;)

A test? Why _would_ it be a test? Why wouldn't the European dates be just as much the real thing as the any other dates?? They're just practicing for the US leg? Right.. From the looks of things about 90% of the dates will be sold out so I don't think they'll come here to 'test'. They'll come here to play rock. Or at least that's what it looks like from my pov.

it is partly a test, they know the europeans will buy tickets simply cause the ticket says gnr on it.. What is the promo, who's in the band what's the new music? Axl has to do this, he can't sell out the shows properly in America with no single or albums

How do you find out about axl playing in europe if you weren't searching the web? Is there some logo poster out there, does anyone know beside axl who they are seeing?? So far this thing is run like a joke..

if I were Axl  I would only perform in NY , La and Chicago  .  America hates Axl .  He can still make alot of money touring in other countries.  If the album is great  and the demand for new gnr becomes huge in the U.S  again   Axl should release a statement telling americans fans to kiss his ass and go watch VR.   I'm an American  and I know how much people despise him here.  It would be a fraud if Axl performed in front of a bunch of posers  that are just on the bandwagon after all the negative shit they said about him.  Axl has a huge international fanbase  he doesn't need america to make money.   There are artist that make a shit load of money just touring outside of the US.

God it's getting boring with Americans keep asking this.

Look there doing a mini tour of Europe first and they will probably do a US tour in due course, until then Stop asking.

if axl told american fans to kiss his ass and go see vr he would seem like a man who couldn't make it.. America has bought plenty of gnr albums

how is 20+ dates a mini tour?
this is a full-scale tour.

The Illusion tour (which was 192 shows) was a full-scale tour. This tour (with most of them being Festivals anyway) is not a full tour.

In Finland we had tv commercials, whole page adds in newspapers, newspapers and several major (in Finland's perspective) internet sites had news articles on them coming here. So there was promo. So you really don't have to be a genius to know they're playing. All the news articles mentioned that Axl was the sole remaining original member. There haven't been articles about the other members 'causemost propably they're not very well known here outside musicians/music digger circles.

They buy tickets just because it has GN'R in them?? I really wouldn't say that. They buy tickets because they want to see Axl. This is most likely the closest thing we'll get to seeing/hearing something live we grew up with.

And to say that it's a test because they do a tour where they sell well, just because they want to see GN'R?

Yes. This tour is run really like a joke. Especially concidering that there's over 2 months to the first show, and they've sold out places. I'm not a qualified specialist in this area, but I think booking/ planning a European tour is pretty different from doing the thing in America. Over there I think the planning is relatively simple because of big companies like Clear Channel that can make all the arrangements and book venues with more ease, than over here having to book almost every venue separately, and having negotiations with many different parties. I don't think they can be compared as such.

are you ok guys???

it takes a good deal of arrogance to call a full blown europe tour a test for the "real" tour in america....

do you think the tour in 2001 was supposed to be a test as well???

there are living twice as much people in europe as in the usa by the way.....something americans seem to forget sometimes.....

of course american promoters are careful to book gnr at the moment, but a european tour in the summer is definitely the obvious step, since the big festivals are happening then....

the people that i am attending the gnr concerts with this summer all know that axl is the only original member in gnr, but they don`t care about that. they want to see axl.

so basically they know a band called gnr fronted by axl will be there.. ?I mean how is that promoting a band,... I think there should be new material out after such a long wait, a single not just hey axl is going to be there the band is called gnr come down and see them.. I never said they didn't do the promo without ample time I feel they aren't doing it the way a band with a new album ready to release material would.. I guess it's a different world over here, if regular people saw a commercial saying axl is in gnr but no one else and that was about it so come down n see him the results would be less then pretty unless it was the major cities,... nyc LA  Today's kids here wouldn't just want to see axl ,.they wouldn't know who he was like they once did a generation before..

possibly the situation will change at the beginning of the next week.....  and then there`s still plenty of time left : ok:

If an album comes out in april plus a single then I will say they did it right, plus an official lineup..

I know a lot people feel this band is followed like us, and I know certain people feel gnr is axl rose as long as he's there it's gnr.. There are bands I listened to growing up that I only knew the lead singer.. if whitensnake played  ashow I only need to see david coverdale because I have no clue who else is in the band or was in the band....  I think having an official lineup is important when a band that was huge globaly tours again with all new people

yeah.....  i don`t think it`s right to show clips of the old band, when promoting the new one....

and that is obviously the case in some countries now. they showed clips of the pc video in the mtv news here in germany for example....

and well...  a release in april is highly unlikely imo, but not impossible.....   a single in april is very likely, but i was speaking more about the promotional aspect of the tour after the announcement.... everyone will know about the gnr (axl...) comeback and the new line up then

so if they are using the old band as promo in some countries would you say this is misleading the fans who might not know and part of their buying tickets is in hope of seeing slash duff izzy or whoever was their fav old gunner?  The old bait n switch :hihi:

I know i say this all the time, only if the band was not called gnr there would be no getting anything confused, and axl would have to do some leg work on new promo..

But after this tour everyone will know that's for sure, and we better all be owning CD :D

of course it`s misleading, but there isn`t even official promotion stuff out there at the moment.... i could be wrong though, since i`m only aware of the situation here in germany and rock am ring has it`s own promotion......
and they did promote the 2002 tour with the new band.....(boston promo etc...)

the promotional aspect in general seems to be highly disregarded with this band, but as i said before, this could change in a few weeks....


by the way, i agree with you that axl should`ve changed the name.... it would shut everyone up, who criticizes this band and compares it with the old one.....

but in some way i think that axl was always the most important part of gnr. at least to me....

sounds all good before the last sentence, but as you said to you..

It would be funny if in germany they think gnr is reuniting :rofl:

But they didn't announce all those 192 dates at once did they? This might be the first leg of a long tour. You don't know their plans after July do you?


For your information, in 1991 the European leg of the Get In The Ring Motherfucker tour was just seven shows, in 1992 they played in Europe from May 16th to July 2nd and in 1993 from May 22nd to July 13th, but I don't think you'd call those mini tours....


/jarmo

Yeah so I'm saying it's inevitable that GnR will tour the USA, but it's pointless keep asking "when" it will happen here when no one can answer that.

I don't mean test as in warm up for the "more important" American gigs. I mean test as in judge reactions to new songs, casual response to the new band etc. I just gave what I felt was an answer to Horsey's question as to why GNR haven't announced US dates yet.

As for the arrogance comment, I'm European myself. I'm not some American spouting off about how they are practising for "the important people".

let`s put it this way: did anyone think the north american tour in 2002 was a test for an upcoming tour in europe, since the european tour was cancelled twice in 2001 and no promoter would book gnr there again?

actually it wouldn`t be fun to those people who come to the concerts to see slash and duff....

but i think germany is a special case, since there is no headlining show, but just rock am ring.... most people who plan to attend rock am ring aren`t just there because of gnr. the casual german doesn`t even know that gnr is about to tour europe this summer and parts of the  german fanbase tend to avoid the rar show and attend concerts in foreign countries..  (conny is a good example for this...)

fortunately you created a thread about this, since it`s really interesting to get to know what the  promotion/media presence in countries with gnr headlining shows is like.....

Dumb it down a bit more for me, you've lost me  :hihi:

some people seem to believe that the european tour is a test for a tour in america, since gnr cancelled their last tour there and now have to convince the american promoters of their ability to make an entire tour without any problems....

going by this logic, the north america tour in 2002 was planned to prove to the european promoters that gnr and especially axl is able to accomplish a full blown tour again....

i guess you know that gnr cancelled two entire european tours in 2001....

of course either of that is complete bullshit, but some people seem to think that a tour in the US is the real deal......

it`s right that american promoters are very sceptical about gnr at the moment, but axl owes europe a tour since 2001.....

Yeah I knew that, closest gig to me was on my birthday that year.

But the logic doesn't take into consideration the situation, nor the point which I tried to make( and I think you missing a little) and people took a totally wrong way. Perhaps my own fault for not expanding on it.

I simply mean this tour is a test in terms of crowd reaction etc. It's a little less intimidating for the band to play their work in front of enthusiastic, sellout crowds than in their home country where the last shows sold a little poorly and the media has a tendency to rip people to shreds.

That's why I think Europe is first on the list, plus it makes up for 2001's disappointment.

Test audiences for a US tour that will probably start - and end - in disaster.

I'm glad I'm seeing them in Europe (again) for they seem to be more reliable over here, when they do show up.

i wasn`t referring to your point, but there were lots of people who said that it was a proof to the US promoters....

Cool, nevermind then.

I had a dream last night that they were gonna play 3 warmup shows in the US.  Somewhere in CA, I'm guessing LA, Chicago, and either NY or Boston.  It was quite a dream.

id just be happy with them hitting philly again.and accually doing the gig.it would be great i think.till then i will wait for the tour i guess. :crying:

If i had to guess about a concert it would probs be in upper United states and in about mid august beggining of september.... it might just be anoth leg to the european tour!  : ok:

one can only hope'

Hopefully not too soon. I'm poor.  :-\

When they do show up is the key word there...

I think it's more likely that the US promoters are waiting for an album to come out before they let GNR tour again.  GNR got alot of flack touring without hope of an album coming out mid tour.  Even Axl said during 2002 that they just wanted to stretch their legs and not to expect an album.  This hurt concert sales and the US promoters must also figure that Axl's going to try alot harder if he's supporting the album.  This might also explain CC's interest in the release date of CD.

i wouldnt say the euro tour is intended as a 'test' to prove to US promoters the band can sell tickets, but that's obviously a side effect of the tour-because they wont get gigs anywhere if they cant make it thru this batch of them.

I would say November or December. I think they'll regroup after the European tour, and then play only arenas like Madison Square Garden, where they are guaranteed to sell out every time. I think they'll pass on playing to half empty venues in Idaho this time around. I drove an hour and a half through a miserable snow storm to make the MSG show in 02' and it was the best concert I ever saw.

half full venues!!

the negativity really lost it`s marks on this community :hihi:

You know, he did play some shows there in 2002. Pukkelpop, Leeds, Docklands...

What was the last show of the 2002 tour? does anyone know? ......... I think if they do play in the states they should do as many shows as over in europe or more because this is their home country  : ok:

the philly no show was the last one.but  NY  was the last concert.

You are 100000 percent right in that it wouldn't be funny, I was just being sarcastic being some of the regulars here say eevryone knows they are out of the band.. I wouldn't want anyone getting hurt for feeling ripped off or have axl have a hissy fit and fuck it up..

LOL i would be SOOOO Pissed if i flew to europe to see GNR and well they didnt play ... Omy god i would bee soo angry but i cant afford that right now im waiting for the states or canadian Tour

Tour in USA? ----> Never  :D :hihi:
are you jealous now? ;D

Actually yes!  Extremely jealous.  >:(

Be thankful friends across the pond!  You lucky bastards!   :peace:

Could we have another Madonna??? Maybe he's after a title "Sir Axl Rose" . He'll do hunting on the weekends play polo with the toffs and have tea with the Queen :rofl:

Three in 13 years? Lucky us  :hihi:

haven't we had this kinda threads a gazillion times now? they will tour the us, don't worry, ok?

geez

look at it from a different perspective.....

when we europeans saw axl in may/june/july it`s over for us and you`ve still got a tour to anticipate.... : ok:

"haven't we had this kinda threads a gazillion times now? they will tour the us, don't worry, ok?

geez"

agreed...if it's meant to be it'll happen....Axl is not going to turn down a $$$$ opportunity if he can get it, and most importantly, if he is into it... :beer:...I'm really hoping he makes those european gigs...it'll be interesting

we`re not talking about steven adler dude : ok:

I would say no US promoter would go near Axl, so I would say never.

The only places i could see a promoter promoting would be LA, LV, and NYC

If the euro tour has no problems and is super successful and IF CD drops before a US tour and is massively successful, he will have no problems doing a US tour (with a lot of legal stipulations regarding security and showing up on time etc....).

Money talks - its easy to forget about the past when you have a suitcase full of money in front of you....especially in this country!

If he wants Guns N' Roses to be the real deal and release an album that people will buy he will have to come back home. If he doesn't get America.. he dont got shit.

"we`re not talking about steven adler dude "
LOL, Yeah I know...he (Axl) is actually trying to put something new out there...but let's keep it real shall we, he is not a freaking saint who, if he does well in Europe and the CD drops and has promising sales, and then some US promoter comes along and says, hey wanna come on this side of the pond...and the $$$$$ and insurance conditions are to his liking, what...he's going to say no...I don't think sooooooooo LOL : ok: I am hoping so bad that he does well in Europe! and like HannaHat pointed out, there are some pretty big IFs to get over, but I think he can do it...

Or he could come to the US and all his American fans can see him and not give a shit about why anyone else is there. If they release a good single and a good album they will be huge in the States again, you can't be a joke. In 02 they were a joke, noone knew the band they had no new songs out and they played like 20 shows in total. Guns N' Roses still has US potential.
Why the fuck would you not want GNR to come to the states, if you like them so much, that youre posting on a Guns N' Roses Message board everyday?

The only way he can tour the US again is if Europe goes without a hitch, and he has a new hit album to promote. Otherwise, as Jameslofton put it, "get your riot gear on"  :rofl:

what's the difference between 2002 and now?  if anything, they are a bigger joke b/c 4 years went by and they still haven't released the material they were working on / promoting back than

America hates Axl Rose? I'm sorry, I must have missed the latest gallup poll.....

SHUTUP CHINESEDEMOCRACY05, you have absolutely no damn right to say that. the kid was stating his opinion, as were u..so dont give him that shit......in the middle of ur useless speech about a U.S. tour u mentioned the U.S.A.....as a resident of the U.S. theres a little thing called FREEDOM OF SPEECH....yea the kid may be wrong but at the same time, you may also be wrong....you know why!?!?!?!....because people are unique...everyone has the right to an opinion and its gonna be like that till the conways come home......and thats not gonna happen anytime soon....so why dont u go back into your little hole, and keep thinking about the U.S. tour.....or wait, i got something even better....u can kiss axl's ass until he tours in the US.......MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE THE WAIT MORE BEARABLE!................i hate noobs so f'n much.

lol.. .europe is test.... lmfao...

i love horsey :hihi:

Its probably true...but a lot more subtle.

It's good to see Uncle Axl actually touring across the pond. I'm all for it!

Shame they haven't announced the UK tour yet...

the "test" would be new york :)

20 shows??? Try like 7.. 1/2 sold out too.. 20,000 seat arenas selling 7-,000-10,000 tix per show?? Hence the tour canceled, quit, postponed whatever.

No new album, no US Tour. Period.

Try like 14 US shows (15 if you count the VMA's), 2 Canadian shows, 3 Asian shows and 3 Euro shows..

Information courtesy of gnrontour.com

And big grins to the person who resurrected a thread that hadn't seen a post in over a month.....

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