Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9519862/smoking_section?rnd=1143227639250&has-player=false

All the way at the bottom:

"The rumor floating around at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony? Guns n' Roses will tour this summer with Slash and Duff McKagan back in the band. We're not saying who's spreading this around, but if you happened to be getting hammered at 3 a.m. in Room 39A of the Waldorf-Astoria hotel in New York with Kid Rock and Lars Ulrich, you may have overheard the same gossip. Sources indicate it's not true, but only Axl Rose can say for sure, and he's not talking.

AUSTIN SCAGGS"

BS

It keeps being mentioned by seperate, seemingly unconnected people.

The famous "grapevine".

No, the story is 100% TRUE: Axl Rose is not talking.

I don't think this is the time for a (Semi) Reunion.

I want to hear CD with the new lineup touring and I want to hear Libertad with VR touring.

After all that has been done, then I'll be exstatic for a reunion ?:beer:

Out of curiousity, what would everyone do on this board who said "Bullshit" and this turned out to be true?

Would you be disappointed or glad?

 ;)

The ONLY thing that is making me even think that this could be REMOTELY true is the fact that we have had no updates from the official web site, no new promo pics for the upcoming tour and the vague comment how they were planning on doing something "out of the box" with their marketing stratedgy (at least I think I remember reading that somewhere).

All that being said, its 99% unlikely to happen.

I do wonder why you keep hearing about it though...if its so unlikely, then why do we keep hearing it?  Unless people WANT it so bad they are almost willing it to happen?  I don't know.  But the silence only two months away from RIR is REALLY wierd (even for this band).

I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I can't wait to hear the new band this summer and I would be seriously bummed not to see them, even if this meant seeing Slash and Duff. After these gigs, a reunion would be awesome, but then with Izzy as well  :peace: Yes, I'm a difficult girl to please  :hihi:

false = BS
not true = BS

As long as it's not turning in to some fucking nostalgia tour. I want the new shit cuz it kicks major ass in general and Velvet Revolvers specifically. IF Duff and Slash are onboard again they better shut their mouths and get in line with the program. Cuz it's so fucking obvious Axl is the stronger!!! If they are not there they will not be missed by me. But IF Slash should now his place along with Robin and Fortus. And Tommy Stinson is cool as hell as far as I am concerned anyway

Guys this might be a rumour spread by GNR management to cover more attention of this NEW GNR comeback...    (another theory)

Look, I agree with everybody who says this has less than a 1% chance of happening. I agree that it even if it were to happen, it may end up being a lesser lineup than 2002.

But, if "sources = someone who talks to management" or if "sources = management", well, they may not be the best informed sources.

I've been an officer at two companies that both ended up merging with other companies. Until we were sure that it would work, we didn't dare tell PR or anyone. It was such a closely guarded secret that even some of the other officers didn't know for a while.

This article says "only Axl knows for sure", and that's probably true.

The situation we're seeing is weird. No press release despite (apparently) being led to believe one was coming soon. A stinger addendum to the lawsuit, a retracted return-fire from Scott Weiland, a promised-but-never-delivered response from Slash, kinder words from Duff, no denial of the event that Axl described, previous kind words about CD from Slash...

Axl seems pretty unhappy with Slash right now.  I'm thinking Slash would have to do some major groveling for Axl to bring him back.  That alone makes it pretty much impossible that Slash will be back, at least not any time soon.  As far as Duff, I don't see Axl booting anyone out of the band to make space for him.  And why would they add another bass player? 

I've allways wondered how this could happen and if true were in for the begining of something HUGE.

It doesnt matter how much Id like that to happen.. that kinda dreams dome come true...

whats going on with Tommy right now, thought he was rehurseing with GNR

I don't see how this is possible with the law-suit going on between them.

I don't want to be another guy that grasps at straws to make this sound plausible, but I do want to defend its plausibility a bit.

I've worked with some great people who got burned out at what they were doing. When they left, we had to bring in and promote new people to do their jobs. In one instance, we told the new employee, "look, you're filling in for someone who has been here since day 1. We need you now, but if this guy says he's coming back, well, he's our guy. We'll do everything we can to keep you with our company, if that ever happens."


The fierce words in the lawsuit could have been a way for Axl to say, "hey, you said you were going to quit playing with those guys, but you haven't. put up or shut up." Perhaps a rather extravagant way of saying that :)

You've got a better chance of seeing God

Maybe it'll be him, Duff, and another bass player, and they'll do a Spinal Tap/Big Bottom thing. ? ;)

I'm intrigued with all the rumours... we'll just have to wait and see. ? :yes:


No it really doesn't make sense does it. ?Maybe they've been talking and want to settle it outside of court? ?Things just don't add up sometimes. ?I'm just happy that Axl is coming back! ?Of course, I'll wet myself if I find out that he and some of the former members are back together. ?Especially Slash!

Could all be BS and both New and old band may be touring together, Fuck at this point I'm getting confused with all the bullshit I hear these days :confused:

A little bit of hope doesn't hurt anyone.

Soon is not the word ..... bullshit is :hihi:

You fuckin know it baby!

yes... remember Slash is guns n roses as well..  at least what we know of gnr.. :D

Haha! It'd be funny if the CD liner notes used various rumor posts from this board as the background imagery. And your response should be one of the ones featured, Neemo.

If GNR do end up reuniting this yr ?then Axl's existence the last 12 yrs has been nothing but a fuckin waste of time .

Nobody says you can't have your cake and eat it too... Maybe VR and the new lineup stays intact for now, and Slash & Duff show up at some shows to play some old stuff. The result of the lawsuit will solidify how payment for these shows will be distributed. Axl will have to share his percentage with the new line-up, while Slash and Duff keep whatever the courts say they are allowed to keep.

Not in my opinion, it takes a whole life time to write the life of Axl Rose, and thats what he shares with you in his music.     

Well said !!!

In my opinion you are wrong, but that's just my opinion  : ok:

"We're not saying who's spreading this around, but if you happened to be getting hammered at 3 a.m. in Room 39A of the Waldorf-Astoria hotel in New York with Kid Rock and Lars Ulrich, you may have overheard the same gossip. " = people with/like Kid Rock and Lars Ulrich are spreading this gossip.

"Sources indicate it's not true, but only Axl Rose can say for sure, and he's not talking." = joke


 :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:

Remember that Tommy can play other instruments besides bass - he could share rhythm guitar with Fortus.

But it wouldn't shock me if Fortus got bumped off the tour and Tommy played rhythm alone.

Not that this rumor is likely to be true, but I guess anything's possible nowadays.

EDIT: on second thought, Tommy said in an interview he'd be willing to step aside if Axl wanted to do a reunion gig

So the more likely scenerio is Tommy being left off the tour.

something weird someone said to me a few days ago, what if we have a chance to see 2 Guns N?Roses on tour with Axl on vocals?

"The guys didn?t want to play the old songs (laugh)" - Axl Rose (about the new band)

Axl is not going to unveil his new album that Tommy played ALL the bass parts on with Duff on bass....at least I hope the hell not. However, there is still a guitar spot open....and I'd take him back if not just for playing the old songs.......oh, this is shiiite. ;D

What do you guys think about this:

Axl said we would hear music this year, not saying in what form or anything. This could easily mean that he wasn't even sure at that point in what form it would take place, meaning he didn't know if CD was ever gonna come out.

The only one responding to Axl's comments about Slash was Scott Weiland who put it up on a fansite and later retracted it.

Duff said something which wasn't even saying anything besides "I'm not saying anything"...

Slash hasn't responded to anything. No confirmation on who is in the line-up. Axl talking to Izzy again. Velvet Revolver members doing a lot of things except writing a new album. Alice in Chains with Duff on rhythm guitar who are also playing for GnR as a warm up gig in the Netherlands.

Maybe Axl released the leaks to see what people thought of what he thinks are good songs, so he can keep them and work on some extra stuff with Slash N Izzy. Maybe the tour through Europe is a testing the waters tour to see how things are working again between S D and Axl..... the Fugees did it the exact same way last year. And they have an album coming out this year.

I'm just suggesting here.

no, the "old GNR" will only play the old songs, and the new GNR will play the "full show", with the songs from CD and only a few from the past... not that 2 hours and half show... get it?

Do you actually think that Axl will tour with 2 different bands? Come on...

Just like the article said: A bunch of drunk musicians gossiping like a sewing circle at three in the morning. Even though we all know if anyone would know what is going on with GNR its Kid Rock! :hihi:

I don't see the old guys ever being able to work together again. They don't even seem to like working together. If anyone I could see Izzy coming back in some minor role. One day when the hatchets are buried you might see Slash jamming with the new band.

Come on this is just a rumor,I mean really we don't know what the hell is going on these days anyway,like they say only Axl knows,if they have a reunion that would be cool,but if not that'll be cool also,I like both the old and the newer guys in the band so either way it's cool  :peace:

Don't forget that Fortus' official site lists the Gn'R dates for the summer---- so I'm thinking it's a safe bet that he is going to be playing with the band...

This is a crock of shit.

HA..Ha..

and thanks to axl/theband/managment treating fans like visitors to area51 we wont know the truth till a day before some incarnation hits the band takes the stage.

This simply cannot be true.
If Slash and Duff were in the band, it would have been announced with the tour dates.
Despite my personal excitement for the new band, tickets would be hotter than a pistol if it was a mini reunion of sorts.
I want the new band to show it's stuff, and promote CD. We all know Slash and Duff had nothing to do with the writing and recording of CD. I would see Izzy touring with the band before Slash or Duff.

Relax. If this rumor persists, management may respond to it. Especially since it's from Rolling stone.

if this is true then 2006 will be my fav year ever.

after listening to "better" i stopped hoping for a reunion..

this doesn`t mean shit......   richard listing the dates on his website doesn`t exclude the possibility os slash and duff returning.....

Two of the best points made yet.

Hahaha! Fuck that shit! They have a fuckin' bogus lawsuit running against Axl... :rant:
Why the fuck would Axl want them to join the band anyways?

Maybe, the whole thing was done to shock people.

Shock people with a lawsuit that bears no grounds?

It is awfully strange since Forus, the rhythm guitar player, is seemingly the only one who has confirmed he will be at the shows. I couldn't care less about a new GNR album, it's the soap opera aspect that keeps me coming back. Well that & the VR section.

Guys

Guns N Roses is...

Axl Rose- Vocals/Piano
Dizzy Reed- Keyboards
Tommy Stinson-Bass
Brain-Drums
Richard Fortus-Guitar
Robin Finck-Guitar
Chris Pittman- Effect/Synth/Samples

Whether there will be a 3rd guitar player and who that will be is yet to be determined.

Slash/Duff will not be touring with Guns N Roses this summer.

That's all.

Ehm, because they help build his mega status of "Last of the Rock Stars".....plus they wrote the majority of his income ?: ok:

Wow, it's great to see someone around here who knows it all......

i can just imagine how the conversation went :

kid rock : i'm the mother fucking pimp of the god damn nation.
lars : no you're not , your a silly idiot who has forgotten his roots to release shity country ballads.
kid rock : oh yeah......hey lars guns are gonna tour with slash n' duff.
lars : fuck off idiot.

Does anyone else here think that maybe Ross Halfin is the one saying this?  Didn't he have it on his blog a while back the GNR would be reuniting at RIR?  It it's a stretch to have Ross at a RnR Hall of Fame induction party and he could easily be considered a 'source'.

Well, you can believe what you want... or you can believe the truth.

I can't make your decisions.

Ohh yeah, I am sure there are a lot of idiots and a lot of drunken chatter about re-unions all the time..... I can see how garbage like this gets started.

Agreed!
I want new GnR now and a reunion when Axl has taken over the world again ?:peace:

I don't think it's odd at all that we haven't gotten a press release about the tour or album. I would only be surprised if GN'R started acting like a normal band that actually let its fans know what was going on.

And the fact that this rumor is being talked about by a large number of unconnected people doesn't really mean anything. I'm sure it's just various people in the record buisness hearing the rumor and then passing it on to more people as if it is more than a rumor and actually true.

Anything's possible in the world of gnr I suppose, but there is just so many reasons why the old guys would not be coming back at this time that it cannot be true. If it were to happen, sure I'd be very happy that Slash was back in the band, but like others have said, I would be kind of dissapointed that the new guys didn't get a chance to show the world what they have been working on for so long.

The new band members, especially Tommy, are always talking in interviews about how loyal Axl is to people. With that being the case, I find it hard to believe that he would cut loose the new guys right on the eve of the release of the album/start of the tour, after they have been so loyal to Axl all these years and stuck with him through all the crap of the constant album delays and the 2002 tour.

What you work for Axl? If the answer is no than please don't pretend to know the truth.

it's hilarious and absurd that we can't even know for sure who is in the fucking band, that's how silent things are with gnr :hihi:

anyway i can't believe people are buying this.
i don't even want it to happen.
just enjoy the new band and stop setting yourselves up for disappointment all the time.
that's my advice to you.
peace

It's funny how they wrote "his" ?income ?but they can't write shit for their own income ? ?VR sucks ass . ? ?Axl changed his sound ?, Slash and co. ? didn't . They are still straight up rock ?So why haven't they been able to write another anthem like Jungle ?and PC.? ? ? FACT: Izzy and Axl were the brains behind GNR. ? Izzy and Axl were the painters ? ?Slash and Duff were the brushes . ? ? ? ? ?

Hell no!!
What about Vr's Libertad. This ain't going to happen, it would be so lame to see a new bizarre lineup with 3 of 5 again.
No fucking way, stupid rumours.
 

Ehm, if you sell 3 million copies worldwide you have a shitload of income. Axl didn't change his sound, all songs, except for Better, sound like they're of the Illusion albums.

PC was written by Duff and Izzy and Jungle Axl wrote with Slash. So I think your argument isn't exactly right, I think they are all painters and brushes, suiting the situation. I believe that without each other they will never reach they heights of they're heydays when working together.

I work for Axl, so there you have it......

No, you don't Mr. Intensity, you're a fraud.

Prove, please.

Because you look a tiny bit like a .....dare I say it....liar?

Or can Jarmo confirm this?

I think you mean the download. He also mentioned Lars and Metalica in there.
Maybe yes and Maybe he worked for Lars and kid Rock.

I wonder who Ross's source could be.  ::)

tell us what it is that you do then, so a fan from the board who meets axl can ask him about it to confirm it. you wouldn't mind that, would you?

Soul Asylum?

jarmo can't confirm shit.

ps. any bullshitter is a loser.

stop giving him his attention.

feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
just prove it or get lost.

He's just the guy who tried to buy the leaks before everyone. Now he's talkin' like an insider stating things.

Its funny...I find myself completely agreeing with this. All of it. I guess its cool if Slahs is back in but, he better know his place because the new music owns his ass. And I much prefer Tommy over Duff. Fuck Nostalgia.

Prrf... Yeah, we can defeninitely see that they are the "brains" behind it all. We have 'Contraband' to prove it.

lmao, enough said :hihi:

Interesting...wait and see...

It was just people talking about the recent articles, which were made up and twisted from that Axl RS interview.

of coarse axl is not talking,does he ever ?

Well said.

So many people act like their opinion is fact.

Although, I must admit to being guilty of this in the past too...? :confused:? :hihi:

did you realized that fortus is the only new guy who have confirmed the shows in his website .. ?

i hope this is true  :beer:

The only new guy? He's the only guy.

after the last statement, how could they feasibly share a stage? Unless it is all an elablorate smokescreen.  :-\

It would be magic to have Slash and Axl back on stage - absolute magic. I would hope if there had been a reconciliation of some kind, that at the very least Slash had redone the lead parts of CD or at least some of them. It would validate it as a  Guns album  to a large degree and there would be no question about it being a big hit in terms of sales.

If Axl really wants a large audience to hear his grand vision or lifes work that is CD, then having Slash on board would guarantee he reached a much larger audience.

It would be a dream come true, and the most exciting thing to happen in rock n roll for a very long time  :drool:

why would axl tour with someone he just called a liar and all that? doesn't make sense at all

True, but...

Think of how many fights GNR had between 1986 ad 1994...

I'm sure they could overcome this.  : ok:

its not true at all, the band as it stands right now is the same as 2002 minus bucket.

the question is why did he wait until recently to call him all that shit for?  i know why... to throw us off about whats really going on so it would be like the ultimate surprise, just like the vma's in 2002

You think this because you've heard nothing to refute the possiblility.

i can see it now... gnr takes the stage the music starts, only axl is visible then we see duff and izzy and wait... buckethead??? wtf?  no, he removes his mask reavealing slash :smoking:

This limb's not strong enugh to tip-toe on.

I that happened I would probably faint or something :P And then wake up and crash the standing section  :smoking:

Well, I did think about that. 'Cause just before Axl's press release the rumours were getting stronger and stronger. And maybe they were afraid of it getting it out too early. So they did the opposite so no one will expect it.

BS

With Slash and Duff in gunsnroses we wouldn't see new album in a two years

No new promo pics, has there ever been any promotional band pics :hihi: and of course people want it... WHy the hell would people want to see the made up guns over the actual famous guns.. Yes I know the people here want it..... Even I would take it because CD is someone elses material

If the new band or parts of it already quit... maybe with Tomy saing something like: " Axl you know what, we shouldn't be doing this. Get Slash and Duff back!"... i might be able to believe it could happen.

Unless the band is still "intact" it would be nothing but a huge mistake.

GNR is the new band now for me :o

they have all these tour dates, I am sure everyone who should be there will be there..

I still don't know who would play the big solo in irs if they played it live... They must have another player lined up since BH was the best player they had.. Who would do his solos

Perhaps at the VR gig that Fortus attended in 2004 he hung out with Slash and formed a Chemistry and discussed playing together in 2006 with him...... :no:  I would love to see Slash and Fortus on stage together.

richard attended a VR gig? i never heard of that. do you have a source for this? it`s not because i don`t believe it, but it sounds really interesting imo.

One of the best guitar duet ever. It would be the greatest GNR pair of guitar players. But I'd like to see Fortus playing some leads too. Anyway... let's dream... :P

people tend to forget izzy sometimes....

indeed, how a Guns fan could feasibly want Fortus over the real deal - Izzy, is beyond me totally

Ive always said, id welcome some kind of reunion ONLY AFTER Chinese Democracy comes out.


So id be disappointed right now but a few years from now Id welcome it.

You guys have to remember... Axl isn't stupid.
If he had a chance to reunite the real GN'R he would do it in a second.
He'll he'd probably scrap all the tracks on CD and re-write new songs with the gang.

And you know what?
It Would Be FUCKING worth it.

umm you are wrong dude.. if axls wants slash and duff there.. they will be there..

Last time I checked it was Slash and Duff who left.

They have bowed down in submission acknowledging that he is the superior. :hihi:

Just wait and see folks and we are all good at doing just that :hihi:

Fortus or Finck would play it.

No. The Stronger

Some of you are crazy, Finck can flat out play!! ?I think he played a certain style on the last tour because of Buckets inclusion;? let him have the lead, and we will see just how creative and phenomenal this guy's chops are!Check out these clips, in addition to the Rio version of Patience, etc.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1QdXxDQCfjQ&search=Robin%20Finck

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DF71tc83NEc&search=Guns%20n%27%20roses

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DF71tc83NEc&search=Guns%20n%27%20roses

Actually.. Slash has repeatedly said that if some adjustments are made GNR will tour again..

Thats up to axl..

watch the VH1 interview.. its him saying it to the cam.. not the papers or mags...

GNR will tour again in approx. 60 days.


No, it's not. If Slash really wanted to get back he wouldn't be filing lawsuits against Axl for example...

I think it'd be cool that the new guns have this album released. Same goes for VR, after all the material is released i think duff izzy and slash had sogns for Axl and Axl only to sing and i think its time they put those out.

I cant wait to see them attempt that.

Slash wouldnt be suing him if he was allowed to re join the band lol.. we can go around and around with this one, but neither of us know whos calling the shots on a reunion.. as of right now.. Duff goes where Slash goes... Izzy wants to play smalll gigs lol.. and steven would give up all the drugs and alcohol in the world to rejoin... hmmm maybe not.. lol  :rofl:

that'd be great...but let's get Buckethead back first and hear him play that killer part in "Better" LIVE!

Probbly BS but who knows

lets be honest, izzy is far and away the coolest gunner and quite possibly the coolest cat around. hes the only one who has come out of this whole thing with his dignity intact. and the only one i truly miss. slash and duff are making a mockery of themselves hanging around with that poddle-haired twat and a wannabe junkie vedder rip off. steven cant fucking speak...

izzy wrote the best tunes, partied hardest with mr brownstone and just wanted to be the next new york dolls.
a cool fucker, and really, until he is ever back, it cant really be guns n roses.

I can't believe you would even remotely think this ... What, are we in 8th grade here? If I were to think about this in a half way reasonable manner, I would say the "ONLY" reason we have no updates from the official web site is becuase nothing has ever been posted on it besides the 1 interview pertaining to the start of the 2002 tour regarding "Axl not falling flat on his face." Besides, the story broke of Friday ... people don't work on the weekends, even for Axl (and definitely not the webmaster of GNRONLINE? :rofl:). And when did Axl ever use the internet (GNRONLINE.COM) to post anything? Over the past 21 years of Guns, Axl has been totally out of the loop in terms of using the internet to respond to anything. The only response to this will be through Mr. Weitzman because Axl hasn't seem to grasp the concept of public relations. Maybe having an official site that isn't totally half-assed might be beneficial to his career ... ? ... hmmm ... Something to think about.

You means the Metal part in Better ..