Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Sorry if this has been asked before but I used the search button and didn't find anything.

If CD comes out this year or any time for that matter and it does not succeed what next for Axl? No matter whats on the album we will all probably think it's the best music out there and Axl will reconquer the world, but what if he doesn't? If the press slate CD upon it's release (and some will no matter what it sounds like), the hype surrounding this 10 year in the making album dies down and the public doesn't warm to it and they don't feel it's all that good. It's maybe in the top 10 for a week or 2 then fades into the abyss and is remembered as somewhat of a failure. If this happens is that the end for Axl? Can you see his career recovering from that or would the failure of CD be the last time we ever saw the talents of Mr Rose?

Obviously i'm hoping this doesn't happen and judging by the leaks it probably won't but I was just wondering what you guys all thought?

One reason this wont fail n my opinion of course is because it has been waited for forever. There for this record could be awful but people will still like it : ok:

why do you ask these questions? We all like Better, IRS, CITR, and the blues... oh yeah AND TWAT.. so if those are on the Cd its better than half the crap out right now... one hit wonders there called...

GNR cant go wrong

it will be out this year I gaurantee it cant tour the states or europe without new material.

for you fags closing my thread:

rules this rules that. people on this forum are so damn gay. its a damn forum!!!!

first off I love GNR but this stuff isn't good. hopefully album versions are better.

everyone is forcing themselfs to like it cause its new GNR material. then cry when someone says the truth.

all im saying better be atleast 2-3 killer tracks on the album or GNR is gonna be laughed at.

im no VR fan I hate Weiland and the whole VR thing is a joke and sucks.

anyways everyone on this forum can fuck off you all are fags

isn't it going to be divided into 3 cds that come out at different times?

probably wont happen, but yea it would probably be the end of Axl's "music" career...hey, the cd might never come out...it has been 10 years why now?...u know what im trying to say?

Ok so after that little rant.. i hope we never have to hear from you again.

Like i said, so far the reactuons have been stready towards the new shit.. so were all good.

There going to release CD wich is supose to be a 13 track CD . And then a greatest hits and also another thing of new material

How can you measure success/failure?

I think in terms of getting the die-hard GN'R fans...Axl succeeded about 9 years ago when he started working on the album. In terms of failure, I think any of this is because of his tarnished reputation and I don't think he will appeal to the younger audience (my age group, early-late teens)

I was meaning commercial failure of CD e.g. units sold. Of course this may not interest Axl 1 bit and if his personal goals are met with CD he may not care about anything else and continue to make albums. Although if CD is not a commercial success he will probably have to make the next album with a new record label lol.

Yeah, and you know why? Because it's pretty lame to have 100 people like you starting new threads about the same thing over and over again.





/jarmo

ALL of us? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

that's a very good realistic question, you can't always judge the outside worl by what we feel is important or we think should be tops.. If this does poor in teh usa axl might still have a career just more outside of the united states.. It would be sad if axl failed in his home country.. I think if the album did do poorly it could affect his idea of multiple albums, unless geffen interscope want to make their money regardless.

After all the money invested in CD, I would be under the impression that Geffen would "milk" these releases as much as they could.  So, if Axl approved, I could see them releasing 3 CDs.  Hell, it'a obvious that Interscope is wanting their money back.  Look at GH for an example.

I was speaking as if the album tanked in t usa, why reklease two others if the first one didn't sell.. GH's has been doing amazing here, is it because of the old dynamics and love for the old songs... Is it easier for a new fan just to buy all the albums in one  (the hits).. What is the interest here for the new band .. I think the usa is more critical of axl and he'll have to work harder for approval.. Last tour has to be on the minds of many reviewers and venue owners who might wonder why risk it with so much other money to be made..

I think what's left of the diehard fans will buy it the CD......as far as the non die hards or alienated ex-Die hards, that would be the result of the first single...but if it bombs, I'm sure the label would want to recoup as much as it's investment as possible

as far as getting a new record deal with another label, that's another question

The records gonna be great but even if it wasn't I think it would sell

i've wondered that myself. would axl just fade away and never be heard from again? i dunno.

everyone that is so sure that this cd is going to be huge is just not capable of stepping out of the GnR bubble for a minute. The rest of the world might not be so receptive to a new GnR, like it or not, that's the reality. I hope it does do well and is huge, but i won't be surprised at all if it doesn't get as big as we think it should. Part of me thinks that it will be #1 in the charts the first week out (that's pretty much a given considering we'll all buy it the first day), but after that is very questionable. time will tell.

I think whether it succeeds or not, it'll bring alot of closure and answer alot of questions in the world of GNR.  There will be assholes who rip it because they just dont like Axl regardless of how great the songs are.  Then there will be assholes who will know its great, but say its not the original GNR.  I don't see there being a win=win situation for everyone.  But final sales will hopefully lead to the sound of silence from the naysayers.

There has been a huge abundance of assholes joining the forum lately. I hope they stop, becasue I really hate them.

but the assholes will buy the record..

Howard stern haters listen to him more then the fans :hihi: Most common answer because they want to hear what he'll say next

CD05 I think it's banned members just breaking balls, I wouldn't worry : ok:

I'm in the USA as well. ?I still believe that if the album indeed did tank (which I think it'll do decent US-wise), I would believe that if the 3 cd plan is a go, that they will indeed still release that way. ?Now, would they pump alot of money advertisement wise in the other cds if ChiDem failed? ?Hell no. ?But it doesn't take alot to put together a box set of songs if ChiDem tanks. ?Any positive income for Geffen would be a profit off of an investment in their eyes. ?

I think it will be a success.  The leaked tracks are amazing even for demos.  If you like rock, you will buy CD.  After all these years it has been hyped up, you just have to buy it.  GH has sold what? 4 million and that isn't even new material.  CD should be able to top that.  It will be #1, no doubt about it.  From hearing the demos, it is some of the best rock material released in the last few years.

It might not sell as good as if it were released when Rock was on top but it will do fine.

well said. Axl can't win. He's gonna get ripped no matter what he does.

I believe greatest hits is in the high twos in the usa.. Steady sales... I picture cd being more of an initial seller then dropping

This will be GnR's second debut album ;D
we'll see if it comes close to their first

*If CD does not succeed?*


In order for CD to cover the cost of its huge development cycle and the cost of the up and coming GnR tour, CD is going to have to sell by the bucketload. I have no idea how many copies of the Spaghetti Incident sold, but i should imagine that CD will equal this on the basis that most GnR fans picked up a copy of the Spaghetti Incident. In some ways this is just a bottom line. If CD turns out to be a great album that will appeal to more than just GnR fans then it should sell more. I don't think the casual music buyer who picked up a copy of GnR geatest hits will bother with CD.

another thing, many people download albums 1st. This could alter things a little.

I think the multi-million-cd-in-progress-stuff is bull. Axl has a studio, he had some folks to come and play with him.

CD has not been that expensive. The huge blow to gnr tough, might have been the cancelled tour, but the making of CD, no.

if CD fails Axl will still have a chance to reunite with the old gunners...

Have no worries my friend. This album is not only going to be damn good, it is gonna sell real well. You been in a Tower records recently? As soon as you walk in, they've got signs and big displays for any new album that is surfacing at the time. Guns N' Roses is one of those bands, that I think even the younger dudes today respect, just because they were real bad-asses back in their day. You throw in the fact that Axl has become somewhat of a " Side-show", plus the most important thing:  These songs we've heard so far are really f*cking good. Sounds like a recipe for success to me

If this fails, which it could based on what I have heard, Axl will move Bahrain with fellow ex-Hoosier Michael Jackson and they will drift off into insanity together.

I didn't even read the first post on this thread....it won't fail.  : ok:

This has been discussed ad nauseum, but let's get the record straight:  Greatest Hit's has more than paid for this album.  It had basically "$0" cost to Geffen, as it was not remastered, and the packaging for the product might have cost them $.25 a unit.  It has sold over five million copies worldwide, and more than covered the estimated production costs of CD.  Moreover, GNR's catalog contains Appetite, Lies, the Illusions, SI, and Live Era, which combine for over a million copies sold per year.  Interscope is making money hand over fist from GNR still to this day.

A voice of reason.....Geffen owes Axl/Gnr a hell of alot more than Gnr owes them...Chinese food or no Chinese food. I also believe two albums will come out of the Chinese Democracy recording sessions which will cut even more in to the costs. Fuck the record company.  :(

Thats totally true because axl rose did not permit the selling of greatest hits and GEffen just threw it out there but i say axl should go to another record company iif hes soo displeased with geffen

Wow, the original intent of the original poster has been missed so often, I don't even know where to begin. I feel 1badapple said it best when he said "The people who are so confident the album will do well just can't step outside the GNR bubble for a minute."

And Minneapolis, you haven't factored in the 13 MILLION dollars the record company has shelled out for this album. Hence the reason they "forced out" greatest hits.

As for the original question, I'm doing something crazy here and "pretending the album doesn't do too good." OK, so bear with me. If sales suck, I think it depends on if the songs are considered good or not. If fans & DJ's mock it, then yeah we probably will either not see Axl again for some time, or a GNR reunion.  Otherwise, he opens up and allows the "band" to have more input to the song structure & music and puts out a followup album within about a year and a half.

If the albums considered good, yet just doesn't sell, I think he'll be ok. Maybe the tour won't sellout, and will most likely be fairly short, but he'll put out the "2nd" Chinese Democracy and will probably mix all the best songs off 2 & 3 onto the 2nd, and trash the 3rd.

Overall, this is just my guess to the OP, but I beleive the album will do pretty good. Similar to VR or St Anger, not much more, maybe less in sales.

To the person who mentioned Tower Records & big marketing campaigns in retail outlets, music has chaanged as far as what's hot. A year and a half ago I went to buy the Nirvana compilation album at Best Buy. Expecting it to be right there when I first walked in, with hundreds of them on display. I walk in, don't see anything, go over to CD's, then Box sets, still nothing. Finally I ask a girl working there if they have it. She says "Nirvana?? I think so, let me check." She walks away, pulls out a small cart, and among other random CD's are a few Nirvana sets. I proudly took mine home with me 8)



Hmmmmm, so I referenced VR, Nirvana, Metallica and the thought of Chinese Democracy not "selling" too well. How badly will I get slammed for this post??

First up, Minne was factoring in the 13 million in costs-he inferred it and was basically saying the Greatest Hits already recouped those costs. Secondly, if you think Velvet Revolver will outsell a Gnr record, you're out of your mind. It will surpass that fairly quickly but certainly could poop out before say 3 million. However, it will sell at a bare minimum what VR sold in the states and be a lot larger on worldwide sales. There are no guarantees in life but I would be willing to wager a large sum on that one. : ok:

on name along it'll sell good.. I don't even think how good the material is matter to how many albums this band sells.. if they say first new gnr music in 15 years that alone should get people to buy without even hearing any music at all..  Look ayt how tickets are selling in europe yet there is not one ounce of new music to listen to, no official lineup yet it's doing great.. Axl grabbed the name because he knows it's marketing power.. U-2 can release anything and go platinum 2 times at least

My man mike:  Comparing a collection of mostly-already heard songs from a Nirvana box set  to this? Say it ain't so!  When(if) Democracy is released, do you really believe you are walking into a Best-Buy and having to actually ask someone where you can find it?  All of these stores stand to make a whole lot of $$$ off of this album as well. This is big business kid. You watch how it unrolls....First I-Tunes, then some commercials, then the Best-Buys / Tower Records will have signs in their windows AT LEAST 2 weeks before the actual release date! Then WE LUNATICS FINALLY GET OUR F*CKING ALBUM!  ***********