Here Today... Gone To Hell!

The Observer Music Monthly - March 2006

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They dont explain how much longer or why? :no: :no: :no:

Man.. are you seriously gonna let one article hold u down? Man were G N F'N R fans bro we gotta keep our heads up and brush that shit off.. man theres been negative shit in the press about Axl and the Band since GNR began... and it will always be that way cuz GNR is the band everyone seems to love to hate.. so lets just stop with the downers and look at the possitive... Axl rose child u like the new GNR tracks right? yeah well. fuck this little article.

Rolling stone and Kerrang liked it... but i dont care... i like it thats what matters.

Niice way to put it their :peace: rock on

I'm not 'down', I just used the title of the article as the thread title.

alright man.. just sayin this stuff shouldnt affect us.. weve been waiting 15 years... so..

GOD THESE FUKIN GOONS WHO WRITE THESE FUKIN ARTICLES GET RIGHT UP MY FUKIN NOSE.WHAT DO THEY FUKIN KNOW.T.W.A.T AND BETTER ARE FUKIN CLASSICS AND NOBODY KNOWS IF THERE EVEN GONNA BE ON THE ALBUM.THESE PRICKS THAT CALL THEMSELVES JOURNALISTS WILL BE LICKING THE FLOOR AXL WALKS ON ONCE THIS ALBUM DROPS AND THEY REALISE THAT THERE ARTICLES WERE BASED ON FUKIN NONSENSE THAT THEY HAVE READ.THEY ARE ALL PROBEBLY INTO CLASSICAL MUSIC OR POP AND WOULDNT KNOW A DECENT ROCK SONG IF IT SHOT OUT OF A COWS ARSE AND SLAPPED THEM ACCROSS THE FACE WITH A DEAD BADGER.SOMEBODY GIVE ME AN EMAIL ADDRESS SO I CAN SEND THESE CUNTS SOME REALLY FUKED UP ABUSE TO SPOIL THERE EVENING JUST LIKE THERE TRYIN TO DO TO US GNR FANS BY PRINTING LIES N CRAP.AND SOMEONE TAKE NOTE OF WHICH MAG THIS IS SO WHEN WE GET A REVIEW OF THE FINAL PRODUCT WE CAN COMPARE IT TO THE BLABBLE THEY PRINT COZ THEY DONT LIKE THE DEMOS THAT COULD BE YEARS OLD AND NOT EVEN ON THE ALBUM FOR SURE :rant: :rant:

was that a rant

Love it...

Now i know why the albums taking so long

Axl is wriitng Get in the Ring part two.. hes finding the right people to throw in there...

1) Slash
2) Duff
3) Scott Weiland..
4) the press

lol

If you think these little mentions (leak reviews) piss people off now, just wait until the first CD reviews come out.

lol i  think there may be some members on this forum who we might never hear from again if the rumours are bad.. on the basis of suicide

i just noticed the wilting rose headline.how fukin clever of that journalist to come up with a heading used about ...........2 million times by other nobeds.wankers.

i know everybody is allowed their own view but alot of poeple read their opinions and its not good for GNR.espescially when they have only heard GOD DAMN FUKIN DEMOS.GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS U DUMN FUKIN JOURNALISTS.

i apoligise to everyone for my language but im a wee bit trifled ?:rant:

suicide is not an option.....but journalist hunting is...... :hihi:

I mean where do they get their resources from anyway??? ????

a fukin cornflake box by the sounds of things

Who the hell would tell him to wait? The label is pissed about the time already taken for the album, the fans are mad as hell, the public is beginning to forget about GN'R, who in the whole fucking world would think it's good for him to wait more? :rant:

Magazines make money guys. Printin Lies n starting controversy is what they do... thus the reason for get in the ring. they make money off bands like GNR by printin shit that will make people buy the mag.

HELLO!!

i thinks its there way af sayin to "work for longer on the songs coz there crap".but these prunes are fukin idiots anyway so they can suk my dik :rant:

Not if you typed this in under 5 minutes  :hihi:
I think someone posted the content of this article before (yesterday?), saying this mag was written for has-been hippies as a target group, so who cares? I liked those leaks and to me that's all that matters. Rock on!  :peace:

Yeah, who cares what one article says? The're just demos anyways.

The Leaks ROCK  :peace: :peace: :peace:

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That is SO Classic! :rofl:

It's just one writer's opinion. Relax.

God, all you people that get your panties up in bunches because one magazine writer doesn't like the tracks all belong in Communist China where there is only one opinion : ok:

your flight is waitiing

What I hate most about this kind of journalism is that they don't even tried to explain why.... who buys magazines anyway these days? Hope the fuckers won't last that long...... I can imagine if someone like Axl would think "why even bother?"

Artists should sell directly to their fans and keep th epress out of it so they become irrelevent.

^^thats exactly what Izzy does :hihi:

HAHA

Meh, who gives a flying fuck what some shitty little nobody unoriginal magazine says!? ::)

Oooh I'm SCARED! REALLY!! ::)

Magazines are ussually crap ayway! :rant:

Yeah, because obviously there is nothing that will stop the album now. I mean, we've never been let down by Axl before, have we? Surely he wouldn't delay the album, golly gee, this is clearly the real lie! ::) Magazine v. Batshit crazy, flaky, rock star . I mean, we know who to believe in this situation, even though Axl hasn't said anything at all about the date yet...

Sarcasm is fun.

I would rather have a positive Rolling Stone review than something great from these guys...

Don't sweat it. RS, MTV, VH1 is still where it's at when it comes to this shit...

VH1 is focused on reality shows with fucking C-list celebrities' cousin-in-laws more than they are focused on music.

::) Oh wow you are SO OPTIMISTIC about all this!! I don't think I've EVER seen a purer display of optimism in my LIFE!! I mean... you have like NO pessimism AT ALL!! Are you the epitome of Optimism? Because REALLY I think you should be!! I'm being REALLY sincere when I say that!!

But yea... sarcasm is fun. I'll grant you that! : ok:

I was optimistic in 1998. That was a long time ago.

That may be true... but they're still more important than "Observer Music Monthly". : ok:

Why does everyone get upset about what some magazing says... bashing axl today is like saying st anger sucks, it's just pop culture... I think people should just be happy his face is there period

But, St. Anger does suck.  :hihi: jk.

I know it does...   I just think 10 million people say that, about 1 million or two own the album... :hihi:

Oh wow you're SUCH a believer!! I bet the Monkees wrote that song JUST FOR YOU!! :hihi: I love OTT sarcasm!!

SG seems to really be digging that sarcasm stuff. But come on, I mean really, you know what I mean, really, right?

Huh?

I was reading a few of the RS articles on this site and there was one with a story of Axl and what he's been up to. ?At the time, the music was 99% done with about 85% of the vocals done. ?They were calling for a summer release. ?I wonder how many guesses it will take to identify the year of the "release"?
a.2001
b. 2002
c.2003
d.2004
e.2005
f. none of the above :o

 :hihi: :hihi:

it is common knowlege that slash lies and axl doesn't, cd would have been out if it wasn't for those ex members that want to see axl rose fail..

No I don't actually. I believe that once you're a fan, you should support that band with undying loyalty. But hey, that's just me. You do what you want. Just don't stoop to insulting Axl. Or I WILL be kicking your nuts. With steel capped DMs. : ok:

I was under the impression that liking Slash, Axl, Izzy, Duff, Sorum,and Adler as a group didn't mean I HAD to like Axl and hate the rest of them once they moved on, and once again give their fans something to enjoy. Unlike Axl.

The fact of the matter is, the posters who have been on the forums starting with the original forum, saw the original band, have been through the ups and downs since 94, know not to be optimistic. ? All these new posters with their blind devotion To Axl amuses me. ?If these new posters have actually been through the times when there was going to be an album in 95, 96, 98, 2000, 2002, and now 2006, they will have a different tune. ?We've been endouring the rumors for far longer.

So, all you new guys have some respect. ?The reason why we do not have the "blind devotion" is because our "blind devotion" has worn thin into a "cautious devotion".

actually, the article was stating a June/July 2000 release date :hihi: :rofl:

The new Guns N Roses album is tentatively titled Chinese Democracy and loosely scheduled for summer 2000.

''As far as I can tell,'' says GnR's manager Doug Goldstein, ''we are now 99% musically done and 80% vocals done. I see the record being done Feb or March for a summer release.''

But time is of little consequence in the world of Axl Rose.

Thats cool. You like paint by numbers music as long as its out now. Me, I don't lower my standards for anything.

No you don't understand everyone as a solo artist or even a collaboration sucks ass... Axl was the only one with talent, these boots prove he was the only one with talent..

I get on axl's ass because I loved his music growing up, I get on his ass because he (my feelings) has wasted so many years doing nothing in regards to releasing material... many try to justify the wait, or how he operates. Just because I am a fan doesn't mean I think what he does is right... it's like Oh he's axl rose he can do whatever he likes... That is true but it doesn't mean I will think it's cool.... I won't sit around defedning him sinc ehe bring this upon himself..

I love the ex members because they at least get out there and try.. Not everyone has to like their material, but at least they tour or give their fans something to enjoy... ? I'm a guy who likes to see concerts, listen to music, I am not the type that needs a song to be so perfect it takes 10 years.....

As quick as the others work together, Axl  could of worked on the their stuff and his stuff at the same time, and put out about a half dozen killer rock n roll albums and still been working on CD all at the same time. :peace:

that's it, axl could have released some really good material... Fuck IMO he could have released an album of what he has had for the past 6 years and made a damn good album... Basically after touring for over two years they all should have relaxed did solo things and got it out of their systems.. if direction was the problem then the solo issues would have been the outlet... GNR was tnt to be honest

Jeez this topic is turning into a real Downer!!

Can we not stop arguing for more than three minutes at a time!!? FFS!

I was having fun with that sarcasm thing. Then Mr Communist China had to come along and start goin' all serious on me!! *sulk*

Serious arguments = BORING AS HELL!! (especially when I've already had this argument a million times before! NO MORE!!)

Seeeee ya! *waves and runs away from the Dead Horse argy-bargy*

what'd she expect from a thread titled "downer" :hihi: she's not canadian by any chance :rofl:

No you fool! I'm English! :hihi:

sorry :-[
my bad, us American's living in the worst country and all :hihi: :crying:

oh yeah, i can see it now. "15 years for this?"  Some critics have been waiting a long time to dig into Axl, and have already made their mind's up about the cd without even hearing it.                                                                                                                                                                                  Some people seem to have this preconceived notion that this cd is going to be some kind of breakthrough masterpiece. i attribute alot of that to the press/media. they've created most of the hype. i have never seen or read any interview with Axl referring to it as a masterpiece. People seem to think it's gonna revolutionize music or something. i don't think so. i think it'll be a great cd, probably better than anything to come out in the last 10-15 years, but it will be VERY difficult for it to live up to the hype.

Yes but it may live up to he hype because everyone is waiting so long (did that make any sence)

That makes sense.... but there are ALWAYS gunna be the jealous-as-fuck asshole critics who always find a reason to complain. ::)

But then again, they're the sort who would give a HOSPITAL a bad review!! :hihi:

Best thing to do is IGNORE ALL CRITICS and make your own mind up!! I'm sick of critics! Film critics, restaurant critics, hotel critics, fashion critics, music critics.... all of them can just rot in hell for all I care.

But then again, the people who ACTUALLY BELIEVE the critics can ALSO go to hell as they're all fucking sheep who have to have someone else to tell them what to think, what to wear, what to listen to, what to watch, what to eat, where to stay...

People! MAKE YOUR OWN MINDS UP!!! Or do you not HAVE minds of your own? ???

I hate critics .... they say all these movies are dumb and when i see them there awsome there just soo mainstream.. thats right mainstream

Exactly. I have this image in my head of what a stereotypical critic looks like: One of those really picky "metrosexual" fags who go by what's IN FASHION (or if you're one of them... in VOGUE!) and who wear those stupid faggy French beret hats and shaven heads but with "designer stubble" ::) and they carry a "man bag".

Fucking critics.

They can suck my nonexistant cock. : ok:

well luckey them hahaha  :rofl: :rofl:

This post could be taken as complaining :hihi:

Well, like critics if you want! Just don't come crying to me when you miss really great movies just because some metrosexual fag told you that they were shit.

Fucking critics.

I wonder what these critics compare the New stuff to?  Is it compared to old GnR? The current "rock" bands out now?  Or that rap stuff that people think is music?  Critics don't state any facts why the music isn't any good or on what they base their opinion on.  They simple say something sucks and get paid for it.  Whew, I wish I had that job.

ya man i know what you mean here .... having a critic job would rock

I don't care WHAT the critics think. They're all fucking asshole mother bastards who need to quit being critics, become slow death addicts and start seeing aphids everywhere...

Jeez I'd SO not want to be one! Besides, I'd be a shit critic anyway.

If I get shot in the face, I'd like to know which hospital will save me and which will let me die. Reviews save lives. IT'S A FACT!.

Its a fact. All hospitals will let you die if you don't have insurance.

It's a good thing I don't plan on getting shot in the face then. : ok:

Yea... but you might need serious surgical attention to your nuts if you continue doing what you're doing...

My beliefs about Axl have as much right here as yours. I've given reasons for my distrust of him (yyou can figure that out on your own, can't you) and admitted I love his music, so why should you be so blunt; only giving threats without explanation of your thoughts. This is more a note to you in general than to that last response.

Why should I be so blunt? That is just the way I am.

Take it and see the funny side, or leave it and end up with sore balls. : ok:

oooh skynard girl is making me hot... :o giggidy giggidy

^^I knew it was a joke, but all your Axl propaganda is poisoning some threads.

they may not compare it to anything, they may just not like it : ok:

if I hear a song for the 1st time, and i don't like it, I don't compare it to anything, i just don't like it

maybe they are comparing the leaks to previous GnR material because if you haven't heard them, it will give you a point of reference

It's not like you can go to the record store and buy it

Yeah some critics could listen to The Beatles for the first time and say they suck.  Even though from a musical standpoint they are amazing.  Just because you don't like it doesn't make it suck.  If the critic knows anything about music he would review the songs from a musical standpoint and then base his decision on that.  And at the end of the article give his own opinion.  The only thing that sucks is a critic getting paid for not doing his job.

"Axl fucking sucks because he didn't put an album out in 13 years."  "The leaked songs are weak because they weren't put out 13 years ago."  "Axl is done, should've been 13 years ago." "Hey, now that Hustle and Flow song, all I can say is WOW they are lyrical geniouses!"  "Axl maybe you should take a page from 3, 6s book and put out something good."

There, I should be paid for the review.  Don't go using it now.  :rofl:

Yeah, its stupid that people say its bad because of the time its taken.  the reviews should be based on the MUSIC, obviously.

I thought the leaks were quite good, myself.

maybe the critics only give the song one listen and they didn't have the it takes seceral listens for it to grow on you, and were they wearing headphones

Not everyone's going to like the new album.  That's a given.  There were plenty of detractors of AFD and the Illusion albums  : ok:

man, thats just a fuckhead editor who needed to add more space!!!

WHAT THE FUCK WOULD THEY KNOW!!!

I doubt Kerrang were wearing headphones either.

from the 10 songs I've heard I'd agree w/ this person

but I also liked the leaked tracks
imagine how I felt before them

It's interesting... if a critic says the Nu-GN'R songs are great, than he is a model professional, who knows what good music is. If a critic says the new songs are mediocre (or suck) then he's a fuckin' loser, who hasn't even heard the songs, he's a hater, I-dont-care-what-he-says. People are strange.  ::)


Grow up.

what i was tryin to say at the beginning of this thread is that theses so called journalists DONT DO THERE JOB PROPERLY.for example

a. they dont do any research
b. when they do they get their info of the internet
c. they dont explain why they dont like these songs

lets say this was the article
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3792/artcle2pf.png

that would of been more proffesional and not like they wouldnt like the songs if they were fukin awsome anyway.their just out to do harm coz they dont like axls way of things.

MR W,AXL ROSE you're right but do people still take those pseudo journalists seriously?  ???


I'm afraid the idea will become general.
The world of music critics as well as the music scene needs new blood. Or no one will buy what they say.
Where things have been stagnant for long, there will be a time for the old to give way to the new.
Mark my words. 8)

maybe poeple dont take them seriously but does that give them a right to print what i can only describe as bad journalism.its poeple like these that bury good music and promote such crap in an industry that just puts out anything these days,hence all these wanna be shows that clog up the mainstream tv nowadays

there's alot of that here, I find it quite amusing

a. what research do you have to do to listen to a song
b. where else is the leaked tracks available
c. why do they have to explain why they don't like something

A.they didnt explain that although the songs only just leaked,they might be up to 6 years old
B.i wasnt just talkin bout this article.any article in these mags is usually internet tripe all mashed up
C.because explaining why they dont like the songs would justify what they say about the song.they couldnt explain why they didnt like the songs because they would of had to say "there demos,there not definetly on the album"and that would have made them look stupid.

so if I think, for example,  the blues (I know it wasn't leaked) sucks balls, you'd want to know I think Axl's voice  reminds me of someone scratching their nails down a chalkboard for 6 minutes straight, and it plain hurts my ears to listen to it

are you sayin that its gonna be on the album and are you gonna publish it for others to read

I suppose. Everyone has their opinions and peoples views and opinions change over time. If you were an adult when AFD came out etc then you might find it hard to accept the new way GNR has come. I wasn't even born when AFD came out so I can actually accept the new GNR.

I could care less what on-line journalists think of the leaks
the only opinion that matters to me is mine ;D
most of my freinds hate Axl, mock me, and rip on him all the time

I was 14-15 when AFD came out :'(
18 when the Illusions came out :'(

Going on 33 now and Chinese Democracy still hasn't come out :crying: :crying:

And I never thought it possible in my wildest dreams, and I do have some wild ones :hihi:, that I'd be in my early to mid 30's before I heard new music from GnR, who was my favorite band up till 12/6/2002

Since than Zeppelin, VR, and some of Ozzy's earlier solo work(think Randy Rhoades era)  has replaced them

all im sayin is if your gonna publish a comment like they did then you should explain that although you dont like the songs,they are only demos at the end of the day.poeple who read the article could make up their minds wheter they like the album on the facts in the article.pre-concieced view i think the word is.

they did say they were leaked tracks, thats all we know about them.  they could be finished demos for all we know.  do you know when they were recorded?  they could have been done any time over the last 15 years

exactly.they made out that these songs are ready for the album hence the comment about waiting longer to finish the album.thats what got up my nose.

id say these songs were no more than 6 years old except maybe CITR.

what this person said was "on the evidence of the tracks leaked on the web"

thats exactly what they are

I dont see why people dont like the tracks leaked there incredible..... but i think themagazine should stop harassing ax and just friken listen to the leaks again

think of a band you don't like, and I'm sure their fans would say the same about you

ya ur right w/e i was talking about GNR fans srry ;)

Some of you might like this leak review "better":

http://www.rocknworld.com/features/06/GNRleaks.shtml

Thats better  :peace:

All those who say critics suck: Critics are paid to give a perspective believed to be similar to the general public's in order to preview for them before they buy. The average music buyer will not like GN'R (the average music buyer right now DOES like crap, so critics must too), and when critics say the album isn't up to par, it is only meant to help the music buyer find what he's looking for.

When the public agrees that it likes rap and pop music, the critics must also like this to be effective in serving their readers.

Think some before you post with your, "CRITICS SUCK" shit.

I guess everyone has their own opinions... everyone is a critic  : ok:

I'd like to live in that world...

Music critics are paid to do whatever is in the best interest of those paying them.

There underground :yes:

Critics are pointless. People have minds of their own and should be allowed to do what they want without the idea that its not as good as they think it is being put in their heads before they listen/watch/eat/stay for themselves.

A world without critics would be a blessed world. A world which I long for.

hmmm same atitude as last night eh?

Yeaaa.... I don't change my mind from day to day! :rofl:

well thats easy to tell haha .... the thing is i dont listen to crtics if they sumthing is bad hen i see it anyway to piss em off lol jk (but i do see it if it looks good same goes for music)  : ok:

The songs were great, I bet that article didnt even hear them. Like I said before most reviews are already written for CD. They will go like this. We waited Ten years and got this? Where are teh slash like solos? This is not guns n roses without slash. etc etc

But thats stupid slash wasnt the ne who made up gnr axl did  : ok:

if he made it, than he broke it up

This remind me of the line:

"I made you and I can destroy you."

I love the headphone reference!  :rofl:

not everyone can afford to buy every album that comes out to see if they like it. critics wouldn't exist if people didn't want them too.

Naw man.. your wrong on this one, normally i agree with you, but in truth, when you see a movie come out and it gets rated 2 out of 5, and then when you go see it your amazed in how badly it was rated, yet it was such a good movie? The hills have eyes, which was recently released, got a review of 2 out of 5... i was surprised with the review after seeing the movie.. all i am saying is, it is through the eye of the beholder in terms of being a critic... so in your case, your critque on critics poses an impression of them adjusting to the public, meanwhile, mine stands as critics basing their judgement out of their own perspective... and to tell the truth, i dont agree with anyone that much anyways... so.. i dont care what critics say.. but its nice to hear when they make nice comments.

You can't agree with everyone all the time, but critics are generally close. Most people can find a certain few critics they almost always agree with and then they can check things out for them.

I didn't say they had to. I never go by what the critics say. I don't even READ "professional critiques". I just go by what I hear randomly, what I already know, what I research, and sometimes by the artwork on the album cover.

Going by what someone else says is not the right thing to do, and it is certainly NOT my way of doing things. : ok:

Wait, didn't you just contradict yourself? What you HEAR, RESEARCH isn't that going by what others say?

No, research is downloading one track from a band's album, or borrowing a copy from my friend to see if I like it enough to buy it.

or listening to samples of the whole album to see if there's enough there to justify buying

Maybe, but there are some songs out there that start shitly, but end awesomely.

Anyhoo, it doesn't matter. The point is, critics are pointless.